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PixiUnboxing videos: the Internet's great tease to technology lovers. WireFly are our tormentors today, and they've got a brand-spankin' new Sprint Palm Pixi to undress. At 8:16 long, it seems like a bit of overkill for an unboxing video, but hey! Why not go all-out, says us.

No new footage of the Facebook app or Yahoo messenger integration (yet) unfortunately, but we'll be watching WireFly closely. In the meantime... feast your eyes! We've embedded the video after the break.

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Speed

RobertoV6 @ 11/9/2009 4:02:38 AM # Q
Although with a slower processor, it seems faster than the Pre.
I think it responds faster to gestures.
Big lag on the Pre.
RE: Speed
DarthRepublican @ 11/9/2009 10:18:04 AM # Q
Part of it could be the simple fact that the unboxed Pixi is a new device with no PIM information. It might slow down significantly if you connect it to Google and let suck down a couple of thousand contacts and calendar events. Part of it could be an updated, optimized webOS. Part of it could be the lower resolution screen which surely puts less of a burden on the Pixi's processor. Part of it could be the dedicated phone radio co-processor which offloads phone tasks from the main processor.

Or it could be a combination of all the above. We won't know for sure until the Pixi is out and people have a chance to put it through its paces and until the Pre is updated with whatever software the Pixi is using.
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RE: Speed
Gekko @ 11/9/2009 3:06:15 PM # Q

DR - very good point. i recall that my Pre seemed to slow down incrementally with the more data i put on it. when i put my 2,500+ Contacts on it, it really got chuggy. why? must have been all that synergizin'. ever see a pig try to run a horse race?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oy_cPF950s

RE: Speed
mikecane @ 11/10/2009 12:57:01 PM # Q
>>>must have been all that synergizin'

LMAO!!

Wait. But isn't that whole point of YOUR Contact Lists? To synergize on your weekends? *cough*

RE: Speed
Gekko @ 11/10/2009 12:58:55 PM # Q

MikeCon - i demand that you end your flirtation with twitter and spend more of your time with us - the ones who were with you and stood by you during your formative years. those people on twitter aren't your friends - you only think they are.
RE: Speed
DarthRepublican @ 11/10/2009 9:14:18 PM # Q
Gekko wrote:

DR - very good point. i recall that my Pre seemed to slow down incrementally with the more data i put on it. when i put my 2,500+ Contacts on it, it really got chuggy. why? must have been all that synergizin'. ever see a pig try to run a horse race?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oy_cPF950s

That video resembles my T-Mobile G1 before the Donut update more than it does my Palm Pre. In any case whether we're talking Android or webOS, the trade off is that there is no need for potentially buggy sync software which is dependent on the handset maker's ability to provide drivers on every known OS. You just type or import your contacts into Google and your phone will sync to the cloud without any further interference from you. Just like Microsoft's old Activesync except that it actually works. As the hardware and software improves, so will the speed.
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Purty

Tim Carroll @ 11/9/2009 5:45:34 PM # Q
I really, really like the look of the Pixi. If they ever put out an unlocked GSM model locally I might pick it up, even without wi-fi. (Won't be importing though...)
RE: Purty
hkklife @ 11/18/2009 1:49:30 PM # Q
I still cannot get over the stuning waste of real estate that is the gesture area. I'd go with a larger scree and/or larger keyboard ANY DAY and make all gestures performed on-screen. Heck, even a virtual DIA that can be toggled on or off would be sufficient for gestures.

Accordng to the WSJ Pixi review: http://tinyurl.com/y9ojhy5
there remain ~80 apps as of yet unoptimized for the Pixi's reduced screen resolution. IMO that was still a poor move on Palm's part and was likely only done as a cost-savng measure. They should have mirrored Apple more closely in that respect and stuck with 320x480 no matter what.


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Pixi is thirty bucks at Walmart

SeldomVisitor @ 11/12/2009 7:10:30 AM # Q
Walmart has an online presence - you can buy the Pixi there for $29.99:

This is the direct-to-the-affiliate link:

http://www.letstalk.com/palm-pixi-sprint?popup=1

And this is Walmart's indirect link:

http://www3-walmart.letstalk.com/product/browse.htm?pgId=100&serviceCorpId=545

RE: Pixi is thirty bucks at Walmart
SeldomVisitor @ 11/12/2009 7:11:33 AM # Q
Not sure why that link above isn't "active" here on PIC but you can copy-n-paste it into your browser if you care...

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Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed

Gekko @ 11/18/2009 4:13:31 PM # Q

Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed

The Pixi is slow.

Achingly.

Maddeningly.

Ripyourhairoutandsmashitagainstthewallingly.

It lags, it hangs, it stutters, it freezes. A lot. A simple fact: Multitasking isn't better than unitasking when it takes longer to get shit done. An example: I wanted to take a picture while I had the browser and and App Catalog open. Simple. The camera froze spectacularly, rendering the entire phone completely unusable for well over 30 seconds—whenever I tried to flick the camera card away (cards are apps), it would shoot halfway off the screen, then appear back in its place. Somewhere between 30-45 seconds later, it regained composure. That's with just three core apps open, and no active syncing happening in the background.

True, I could sometimes have up to four apps running without problems, at least for a minute or so, before things starting getting cludgy. But it hangs even with just a single app running sometimes. (Just try loading the full Gizmodo page.) And every time you open an app, there's a solid expanse of time that elapses that you can feel, and it gets old real quick. Maybe webOS is just more transparent about load times than the iPhone, which masks them with title screens, but the whole experience of using this phone is like swimming through very pretty Jello, with one arm, wearing a cast-iron suit, or something like that.

http://gizmodo.com/5406001/palm-pixi-review

RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
gmayhak @ 11/18/2009 5:40:40 PM # Q
I agree with the whole article but this is just weird... "Oh, one interesting point, since this is supposed to be the smartphone OS for multitasking, is that while an app is downloading from the App Catalog, you can't browse for other apps—if you leave the download page, it cancels."

Huh? The non-multitasking iPhone doesn't do that.
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RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
Gekko @ 11/18/2009 5:46:10 PM # Q

the point is that webOS is marketed as a multitasking powerhouse - yet in reality and practice it's far from it.
RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
gmayhak @ 11/18/2009 5:53:25 PM # Q
It's like I posted months ago, the Centro was the last of the best from Palm. They need to get their shit together and get back to the OS that put them in the marketplace. Add a little multitasking to Palm OS and get your thousands of developers back on board!

Gary
Tech Center Labs

RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
gmayhak @ 11/18/2009 6:06:36 PM # Q
Palm was ahead of everyone with their PIMs and speed, now the PIMs suck and the dog slow LifeDrive is probably as fast as the Pixi to get shit done.

Progress?
Tech Center Labs

RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
hkklife @ 11/18/2009 7:22:14 PM # Q
Gary;

If you look waaaay back, Palm's been on a near-constant cycle of diminishing performance & speed ever since late 2004. The Treo 650 and T|T5 brought us NVFS and its related lag. Then they sorta fixed those 2 devices via numerous (delayed) ROM updates and then the LifeDrive came and set new levels of misery. The TX again rectified things to some degree but it was the last of its kind. Then the 700p came and it was an atrocity in several key areas and its successor the 755p wasn't that much better.

So basically we have the TX as Palm's only decent-performing PDA since the T3 and the Centro as the only decently fast smartphone since the Treo 600. Quite sad. Now Palm's going backwards again with the Pixi. They need to stop screwing around with iTunes compatibility and address WebOS speed issues and feature deficiencies ASAP.

And I have to admit going on record saying how impressed I was with the performance of the pre-production Pre earlier this year at CES. But the on all of the production versions I've used, especially once you toss a decent amount of contacts & apps into memory, really start to get sluggish. I haven't used a 1.3 Pre yet but there doesn't appear to be much (if any) improvement from all of the reports I've read.
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RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
Tim Carroll @ 11/18/2009 7:33:35 PM # Q
the point is that webOS is marketed as a multitasking powerhouse - yet in reality and practice it's far from it.

Totally disagree. Yep, it has performance issues if you overload it, just like any computer. But as far as multitasking goes, it kicks the ever-lovin' buggery out of all its competitors - one swipe across the gesture area to flick from app to app. No need to even go into card view. It's beautiful.

webOS loses out to PalmOS in many ways, but it is the king of multitasking.
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RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
hkklife @ 11/18/2009 10:38:02 PM # Q
The ten zillion dollar question remains, of course, if we really NEED multitasking on a mobile device? With something that is primarily (or even secondarily) a mission-critical device like a telephone in addition to a pocket computer, questions emerge about stability, battery life etc.

I personally think the iPhone's "limited" multitasking is sufficient for 99.9% of users (playing an mp3 while reading an e-book etc). Heck, while I felt limited by FrankenGarnet in many, many ways, the lack of multitasking was not one of them. It pained me more to not have, say, >4GB memory card support or a 320x480 screen far more than it did not being able to multitask. And the limited bit of so-called multitasking that I COULD do under Garnet (listening to PTunes while using E-Reader or having VM 4.0 send/receive messages while I was doing something else) was completely sufficient for my needs.
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RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
Gekko @ 11/18/2009 11:15:11 PM # Q

saved state via screen shot to a card is not true multitasking! it's bogus and comparable to TealOS!!!


RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
Tim Carroll @ 11/19/2009 5:33:53 AM # Q
^^ But it's not! For instance, Preware can sometimes take a good minute or two to load up all the app feeds when you fire it up. With proper multitasking, I can be browsing a webpage, or messaging with a mate, or playing a game etc etc while it works its magic.

I agree with Kris' point, to an extent - but you guys are biased by 3G Garnet devices. Picture loading up a big webpage on crappy slow GPRS, in crappy, slow Blazer, and then an SMS comes in. You have to switch to the Msgs app to respond, and then when you're ready to go back to the webpage you have to re-render the entire thing before you can read again. And that's not counting the infamous White Screen of Doom, where Blazer might randomly hang for a good 30 seconds before it actually opens again...

Or consider 2TwitMe, which I just reviewed. I loved it to bits, but the way it would totally freeze up your device while checking new tweets? Not cool.

It was just getting painful for me. In this respect, webOS is a revelation.

RE: Tinkerbell Would Be Pissed
Gekko @ 11/19/2009 5:58:15 AM # Q

you don't have to re-render the whole thing in Blazer, just go back to page view.
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