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you say you've only had the T415C since the middle of saturday, i think you mean teh T615C. Okay, time to finsh reading it now :)
Very nice first look review. I just had a quick question on the color screen. How does it compair with the 760s display?
Thanks Ed You're Welcome
Before I do the final review, I'm going to take the T615C to a store and compare it to as many handheld screens as I can. Just based on my memory, I think the T615C's screen is a bit brighter but the N760C's colors are richer. I'll have a better answer once I've had a chance to compare them side by side.
--- News Editor A Picture Is Worth Maybe a Couple of Dozen Words
I took this picture hoping to give you some idea of what the screen looks like:
www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_Sony_T615C_1_L.jpg I think what you are mostly going to learn is how much I need a new digital camera. The blank part of the screen is certainly not that pale-green color; it's much more white. I'm really including this because someone will surely ask for a picture of the screen. Well, this is the best I can do. Sorry. Screen ComparisonI.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 7:47:29 PM #
How does the T615C compare to the Palm IIIc? I have noticed that the other color Clie screens are not as bright as the Palm IIIc. While the resolution of the Clies is better than the Palm IIIc, I find that brightness is more important to middle aged eyes than the resolution.
Thank-you. screen comparison 2
Ok, neither do i have T615 or IIIc, nor i know a link for comparison pics of those devices side by side so far, i can only give you some links that compares IIIc with other devices if that helps.
m505 and N710C various devices (in japanese but you can see pics) HTH RE: Thanks Ed
The new SONY is supposed to be brighter than the "older" color SONYs, though it may not be as bright as the IIIc. One huge advantage over the IIIc, in addition to higher resolution, is that it is very visible outdoors.
Thanks, Robrecht
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 2:49:09 PM #
Ive come across a company that makes hardcases for the N series but i forgot the site address. im hoping they mind make one for T series.
BTW, does it have difficulty beaming from a palm handheld? coz ive had some difficulty beaming things from m505 to prism
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 2:52:12 PM #
which parts are metal and which part are plastic?
graph RE: IS the body metal?
Just about the entire casing is aluminum. I know it can be tough to tell the difference sometimes but it's in the press release and I was told by a Sony spokesperson that the casing is all aluminum.
--- News Editor
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 3:20:23 PM #
Very nice start of a review. Could you tell if any of the sync port connection on the T615C is the same one on the other Clie's. I am looking for a keyboard and moden for the T615C I am to get next Monday.
RE: sync connection
Sony put a new HotSync port on the T415 and is using it again on the T615C. This means that keyboards and such designed for other Clié models can't be used by the T series.
I'm putting together an article with everything I can find on when various companies will release peripherals and accessories for the T series. Hopefully it will be out tomorrow, Tuesday at the latest.
NoBrain123 @ 1/20/2002 3:48:32 PM #
Is that really a stronger IR? I have an m505 and using both Omniremote and Palm Remote I average a distance of 30 feet to operate my television. It is a Mitsubishi.
I think that is misleading by Sony to say it is enhanced if it doesn't even beat out a normal one. RE: 15 Feet?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 4:16:38 PM #
Your getting some kick-ass distance out of your M505. I tried to use some remote proggie on a M505 (don't remember which one) and got like 5 feet. My friends N760 got the same. If you got a T615, you might get as much as a half mile. ;)
RE: 15 Feet?
Well, the IR is enhanced when you compare it to the earlier Clies, which had a pretty lame range of 8 feet. This meant that you had to get up out of your chair to use it for a remote anyways. The only other devices with shorter range than the new enhanced Sony are the original Palm III (10 ft), Palm VIIx (11 ft), and the Handspring Visor Edge (12 ft). Noteworthy are the Visor Prism and HandEra 330, with an IR range of 32 feet, which is slightly better than the OmniRemote SpringBoard module with 30 feet. Seeing how several PDA's beat Sony's "Enhanced IR" is just a reminder that the term is being used relative to their own devices. The title of most powerful IR belongs to the Palm M500 and M505, both having a range of 50 feet.
RE: 15 Feet?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 8:03:03 PM #
Could someone tell me how long is S360's IR range?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 3:40:48 PM #
There was a lot of discussion a while back regarding the pre-announcement by Palm of new devices which cannibalized existing Palm product demand. I think this is all BS and if Palm doesn't get a good m5xx to market very soon, this T615C will eat the m505 sales alive. The only thing that may hurt Sony is that you can't get the new Clie's at office supply stores - ie Staples, Office Depot, etc. If I was Sony, I would change that.
I have an m505 and, damn, it doesn't look so good anymore after seeing this puppy! RE: m505 Killer?
Meanwhile, many stores don't carry any Clies, and outside of the Palm news sites, nobody's heard of this Clie. It's great for the informed people like us, but Sony is still a big unkown to the general public with it's PDA's.
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 4:09:14 PM #
The T615 is the N610 with a couple of extra bells, like the remote. The M505 did good against the N610 for 6 months, I don't see the T615 doing any better. I don't know why Palm way outsells Sony but it does. Sonys screens are tons better but Palm leads worldwide sales and Sony isn't in the top 5.
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 4:58:24 PM #
Palm sells more units because of no-margin $89 m100's. Also, Sony Clie's are not sold everywhere. I would love to see some current sales data of Palm Color vs. Sony Color units. Most retail sales people push the Clie's on me when I hit the Circus City, Best Buy, CompUSA etc.
Why would anyone not want 320x320 with better sidelight for the same price? RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 7:21:43 PM #
"Why would anyone not want 320x320 with better sidelight for the same price?"
Probably because If I were to buy a handheld right now (currently have the m505) I would probably wait. There isn't anything out right now (PPC, Linux or Palm) that really grabs (and holds) my affection. I think it is a pitty that this unit doesn't have bluetooth. RE: m505 Killer?
That's right, the Sonys are much harder to find than the Palms. I live in the Philippines and had to get mine and my girlfriend's Clies (760C and 610C) from the U.S. Even the authorized Sony dealers here don't carry them. If we do find them here, they're about double the price. The Palms on the other hand are readily available from dealers at competitive prices.
When my girlfriend's sister, who has an m505, saw the Clies, she immediately wanted to sell Palm and get a Clie. She never saw or heard of the Clie til she saw ours. Sony could do a better job getting the word out, IMHO. RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 9:28:07 PM #
I have an m505 but i will pass on the great features hoping sony will hear complaints on the tiny buttons and bad up and down switch. im looking forward on the next models from sony.
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/20/2002 11:43:35 PM #
If you had a jog dial, you'd realize the buttons and up and down switch are much less used. The jog dial is so great that once you use it you can never go back to a PDA without it. I've tried out the buttons on the T415 (same as T615 buttons) and it isn't as horrible as made out to be considering you hardly ever use them, especially the up down keys that I ONLY use in games with my 760C.
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/21/2002 8:52:37 AM #
I initially thought the scroll buttons on the 415/615 were terrible. Then I went back to my 505 buttons and saw that they arent that much better.
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/21/2002 9:04:02 AM #
You don't have a M505!!! You're a wierdo who'll say anything to defend SONY and attack Palm. Get a life.
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/21/2002 9:16:39 AM #
Yeah you're right. I don't have a 505, I have a PPC and I work for MS and I get paid by the post to denounce the PalmOS. Hey - I just earned another 10 cents!!!
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/21/2002 9:54:07 AM #
The buttons on the 505 are WAY better than on the Sony. Also the jog dial is nice and I realize a lot of people like it but I don't. I prefer to use the buttons.
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/21/2002 10:37:53 AM #
You have neither Sony or M505!!! You're a wierdo who'll say anything to defend PALM INC and attack Sony. Get a life.
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/21/2002 10:43:55 AM #
now Ed, why would you leave this stupid comment up?
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/21/2002 10:53:41 AM #
I'm reluctant to buy a Sony because of the memory stick. I don't like to buy products that I view as proprietary. Additionally I have a hard time finding accessories compatible with the Sony products.
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/21/2002 11:39:23 AM #
Memory stick is now somewhat open. ACER is using it royalty-free on their new palm device.
RE: m505 Killer?
Penguin45 - Im in the Philippines as well and I bought n760's for myself and my girlfriend in singapore. I was in California a few weeks before that and i found that Singapore has a lot more stuff in terms of PDA's. I found stuff from the states and from japan readily available there. Not only were they readily available but they were slightly cheaper. I hope you got memory sticks while you were in the states cuz they are ridiculously expensive here. $250 for 128mb!!
RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/22/2002 1:20:44 PM #
Memory Stick is becoming less and less proprietary. At the same time, SD looks more and more like a marketing tactic for Panasonic. Once Sony licenses MS to a few more companies, it'll be as ubiquitous as CF, and carry the same cost.
I really love the display of the 610/760. I also love the form factor of the m505. Having sacrificed a bit of display quality for form, and buying the m505, I have to say I'll refrain from purchasing a T615. After $500+ of investment in my Palm, I can't justify dropping that much more on the Sony. But with OS 5, I may have to defect. RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/22/2002 4:01:44 PM #
> SD looks more and more like a marketing tactic for
> Panasonic. That must explain why nearly all new handhelds (Palm, PocketPC, and various other Linux, etc. ones) have SD. Many new digital cameras including Kodak's are supporting SD as well. In a pigs eye is Memory Stick is becoming less and less proprietary. In another year, SD will be as ubiquitous on mobile devices as PCMCIA on laptops. RE: m505 Killer?I.M. Anonymous @ 1/23/2002 6:39:31 AM #
Tested SD and MS sticks on USB adapters. SD is much more faster and costs cheaper.
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SaxonMan