FCC Leaks Information on Samsung SPH-i500 (Updated)

I don't see this "Killing" the Kyocera 7135 due to it's lack of a sd/mmc slot and MP3 player function.

It will be a good, hopefully lower priced, alternative to the 7135 for people who don't need those features.

I for one am greatly looking forward to having my phone, palm, and MP3 player in one device.

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kyocera 7135 is the best, has MP3 player and everything else!

The only advantage over the Kyocera will be the size (thickness) and weight. But, hopefully it puts enough concern into Kyocera that they release the 7135 soon.

As tough as it can be deciding among things like the Treo, Bluechip and 7135, it's great that they are all there. Without the competition the PDQ may still be the only choice.

The "killer" for either device will come down to marketing and which networks the deives will be running on - Sprint vs Verizon, and the data packages offered by each company.

These devices are not going to be marketed as PDA's with cellphone capability. They are cellphones with PDA capability - and first and foremost in that equation is coverage and service (because the primary application is not surfing the web, or datebook, or bedazzled - it is making and receiving a phone call).

The killer crossover app for these devices will be the use of the gpsOne functionality. Phone, GPS, wireless web, pda, mp3, all built into a clamshell design - shove that up your PPC and smoke it :).

I'll give you a bit more detail, though its been posted in numerous occasions already.

First, go to www.sphi300.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2264 and have a look at the 7135. Beautiful phone, only if it were about 80% smaller?

Bluechip has the ear mic slot on the left side, below the voice dial/memo button. IR is on top, it is partly obscured by the LCD part when the phone is open, still most beaming is okay.

Stylus is on the left, rear part of the phone and it is pretty cool, for such a smaller stylus.

LCD size is identical to i300, I mean the width. So now you know what you are dealing with. How does that compare with Kyocera, I don't know.

Both the Samsung AND Kyocera pieces look promising!

But let's not start comparing until they hit the street and we find out real stuff about them.

Then we'll have more facts to shout at one another, it's more fun that way!

If you look at the internal photos posted on the FCC site, the i500 has a Motorola SuperVZ dragonball processor at 66MHz. Clear as day. This is definately a positive over the Kyo 7135.

Thanks, with all the other stuff gong on, I missed that. I updated the article.

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This is one ugly pda phone. And I don't see what killer features it could have over the kyocera. Maybe if it's $300 cheaper or something.

Take a look at the specs. The Kyocera and the Samsung are in two different leagues:
The Kyocera:
3.97 by 2.43 by 1.17 inches. It weighs 6.6 ounces

The Samsung:
3.4 by 2.1 by .85 inches and weighs 4.5 ounces.

Samsumg A460 Cell phone:
3.40 x 2.10 x 0.90 inches and weighs 4.6 ounces.

The Samsung is MUCH smaller, and is in fact the same size as my A460! This Palm is going to be the same size as Samsung's new phone, but be a combo PDA/Phone. Thats pretty amazing.

> This is one ugly pda phone.

I disagree I think it looks way better than the 7135. My guess is it will be $100 less than the 7135.

It looks way too big, even for a smartphone. I mean look at the Treo. It must be half the size!

PS: Wouldn't all soon-to-be-released PDA's be on the FCC website. I am thinking this because There's an FCC mark of approval on the back of all Palms.

BTW, Is it just me, or did Ed change the Palminfocenter logo graphic on the top left hand corner?

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I am going to repeat what someone stated a few messages above.

SIZE!!!

The Kyocera 7135 is bigger:
roughly the size of a TREO.

The Samsung (Bluechip) SPH-i500 is much smaller:
it's the size and weight of a small cell phone.

That's the breakthrough.

For me, smaller size is no breakthrough, it's a dealbreaker. I'm hoping that the SD slot on the KYO will allow me to use Margi Systems "Presentation to Go" software for PPT presentations and their SD card/cable adapter www.margi.com/products/prod_ptg.htm for projectors so I can do presentations from my phone. With the Kyo's wireless email and a collapsable keyboard, I can finally leave the laptop at home!

Right on...The Kyocera IS a bit thicker than the i500, but the SD slot is a MAJOR differentiator.

I'm intrigued at the thread here.

Especially the "size wins" issue, and the question as to whether "all in one or separate"
is the way to go.

I don't offer an answer to either issue since I'm deciding myself.

I was an engineer at Motorola, and find myself still using the same Phone and PDA
combo since 1999.

What is harder to believe is that both the phone and PDA are
smaller than any of the phones or PDA's we see today.

My phone is still the 3.0 0Z Motorola 8160 Vulcan (CDMA 800 Mhz Verizon).

http://www.futurecommunications.com/CellularPhones/motorola_vulcan_v8160.htm

When closed, the clamshell housing measures
3.25 X 1.65 X 1.25 inches...yet it wasn't a huge seller.
The biggest 2 consumer complaintswere "It is so small I can see myself losing it easily"
and "the buttons are too close together."

My hands are larger than most, and could never understand that problem (NFL players excluded).
It even has Web browsing ability, and decent battery life.

Then there's my PDA. It's a Rex Xircom 6000.

http://www.edgereview.com/ataglance.cfm?category=handheld&ID=123

It is the exact hefty size, volume (and almost weight) of 3 stacked
credit cards.

It does everything a pda NEEDED to do with Adress book, memos, to-do,
tasks, calculator, alarms, USB synch with Outlook, Lotus Notes, a 120 X 240
touch-screen display, even games, and batteries lasting from 2-6 months
(heavy to light use).

If you have a laptop, it would slide into the PCMCIA slot for synchro.

To this day, with all the numbers, games, utilities, and text documents copied from the PC,
I've only filled 25% of the 2MB storage.

What is the point?

I've been waiting for a smartphone for years, and plan on purchasing either the i-500 or 7135.

Europe has enjoyed this technology for many years thanks to common GSM vs. greedy bickering
platforms in the US.

I consider most comments above as important to an informed purchase.

It is too close to speak generally, but Personally I'm leaning on the larger 7135
for it's SD, MP3, and 65k vs 256 color screen.

The removable battery was also key (eliminating most other smartphones).

PS -

Why not Motorola? Although Motorola phones are the best in reliability,
they are lagging behind the voice/data merge as they painfully were (and never recovered from)
digital from analog.

Regardless of market failure, and subsequent discontinuance of both devices,
each performed extremely well...and size?...when the Rex and Vulcan are stacked, they're still
smaller than "tomorrows" i-500 !!

Aren't we all un-predictable/fickle consumers?

Everyone has made valid points. So far, I'm going with the Samsung I330. I prefer the clam shell design for screen protection. For me, the deciding factor would be which network it will utilize. I was an Alltel user for 3 years, and was NOT happy with their service. Sprint, in my opinion, has the better network. The clarity and signal strength is wonderful in my area. So, as disappointed as I was, the Kyocera 7135 won't be an option. I refuse to go back to Alltel, or whoever else besides Sprint supports this phone. Everyone seems concerned more about the PDA side of both items. Well, for the price on both, I'm worried about PDA and phone equally. I can buy a good PDA for a lot less if that's all I'm wanting. Either way, both have their pros and cons. It's just a matter of personal preference.

Compare this to the New Samsung SCH-I600 PocketPC
http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=839

Both are hideous!
kyocera 7135 will kill them

Notice that the Samsung SCH-i600 does not have a touch screen.

I believe Samsung has a clone to this unit (i600) however running MS Smartphone OS.

www.pdabuzz.com/News/viewnews.cgi?newsid1029438905,7351,

And it included a SD slot

This is Windows powered Smartphone, not Pocket PC Phone edition. It is not supposed to have a touchpanel.

"This is Windows powered Smartphone, not Pocket PC Phone edition. It is not supposed to have a touchpanel."

So the stinger is basically a crippled smartphone. And you all though Palm, Inc. was running out of feet to shoot!?!

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David

The Smartphone is more phone than anything. How many phone users do you know that want to whip out a stylus? Zero. We'll see who has the better concept, MS with its phone first/data second Smartphone and data first/phone second Pocket PC Phone combo or Palm with its one size fits all strategy.

>>The Smartphone is more phone than anything. How many phone users do you know that want to whip out a stylus? Zero. We'll see who has the better concept, MS with its phone first/data second Smartphone and data first/phone second Pocket PC Phone combo or Palm with its one size fits all strategy.

The problem with the 'Stinker' OS is that it is a - for all purposes - a new OS. It won't run PPC software (yes - much of the codebase is the same - but developers will have to at least re-write interface code). This at a time when Symbian, Palm OS, and MS's own PPC phone addition are already out there. Would you buy a smart phone with an OS that has zero software for it?

I think you are misunderstanding Stinger. It was never designed to offer all the same functions of a PDA, like a touchscreen, downloadable apps etc.

It is an OS for devices that are telephones first and "PDAs" second.

Pocket PC Phone Edition is the OS for devices which are PDAs first and telephones second.

They are two distinct markets. Much as you guys live on your PDAs, many people would be happy just to be able to read some e-mail or see their schedule. They don't need to download software that directs them to the nearest Indian restaurant or provides the full US airline schedule. Stinger is for this market.

If you want to download and install your own apps and other PDA functions, look for the Pocket PC Phone edition devices.

> If you want to download and install your own apps and other PDA functions,
> look for the Pocket PC Phone edition devices.

No, get a Palm OS smartphone. You can get one from Handspring, Samsung, or Kyocera. Microsoft is a late-comer to this market and crappola like Stinger proves they still have no clue what they are doing. A deliberately crippled OS, yeah, THAT makes sense.

Of course it can. Samsung included Handsprings Blazer browser in the their first device - so they are likely to do it here. Even if they don't, it runs Palm OS and has an internet connection, so - just get a browser.

I'm with you on all respects... I checked out the xda at CompUSA, but I read that pocketpc users reset their devices 3-4 times/day. That's not for me. I can go months without having to reset my 6035.

While the 7135 is to be the swiss army knife, the i500 managed to slip a 66mhz processor in there. It's smaller size and weight should make it pocketable, although I'm fine with a holster.

My message to Kyocera and Samsung: FIRST TO GET THEIR PALM-CLAM TO VERIZON GETS MY $500 PEARL.

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David

Jealous are you? :p

FYI... I don't care what format they use as long as the phone has good signals in my primary market...

A bit jealous yeah...

Then again, maybe it;s time to switch to an OS which is properly supported outside the US, ie Symbian and the P800, or the 7650 which will be dropping rapidly in price once the superior P800 hits the streets.

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I'm glad. I care little for waiting for Europe's left overs (hey, wait a minute. There's a pun in there somewhere-oh yes, we ARE Europes left overs, sort to speak). Good to see that someone realizes that the US wants better mobile solutions as well.

Hank Mobley !!! It's you isn't it ???

Nobody cares to read your Bluetooth stuff. Give it a rest !!!