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Verizon Palm Pre Plus Impressions It's been four years since the last major piece of news from Palm and Verizon in January, which was the Treo 700w launch on January 5th 2006. Yesterday marked the occurrence of an event that many (yours truly included) feared would never take place: Verizon launched not one, but two new Palm devices and both are currently Verizon exclusives. Palm fans that refused to jump ship to Sprint now finally have the opportunity to grab a webOS device on a second domestic network.

Not wanting to miss any of the launch excitement, I accompanied my boss to the local Best Buy to grab a Pre Plus. He's a long-time Treo owner, having used a Treo 600 since its launch on Verizon in 2003, and was clinging dearly to his Centro. I convinced him to take the plunge to move to a webOS device since his Centro wouldn't last forever and he was yearning for a device with a larger, higher-resolution screen. Besides, I told him he might as well learn to cut the cord and embrace the cloud. Best Buy was the natural choice as a purchase destination, due to the retailer's customer-friendly policy of eschewing the hassle of mail-in rebates. Read on for a full report on the in-store experience, as well as the device migration process and my initial impressions of the Verizon Palm Pre Plus.

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very nice review

Gekko @ 1/28/2010 4:24:41 PM # Q

did the boss treat you to lunch at the waffle house on the way back?
RE: very nice review
LiveFaith @ 1/28/2010 4:57:15 PM # Q
Did you mean the Awful House? :-D

I wonder if OTA updates are going to address the lags, or if it's just going to be a platform reality? The Pre is not running on junky hardware. Not quite Snapdragon, but it should be snappy if the 3GS is. This is a VERY import issue to customer satisfaction.
Pat Horne

RE: very nice review
Gekko @ 1/28/2010 5:15:27 PM # Q

how long are you prepared to wait for these magical panacea fix all OTA updates? i think Sprint customers are still waiting X months later.


RE: very nice review
hkklife @ 1/28/2010 5:38:50 PM # Q
No, we skipped lunch due to the BB instore experience taking longer than expected. Besides, we were in a rush to get that pig set configured and working!

Pat, the lack of performance really is distressing, especially on the Pre Plus. The Pixi is even worse, as you well know. I mean, if it were not for the little "ripple" effect, you would honestly think that most of the time the rap had not even registered. This, btw, was on a day 1 Pre Plus with ~800 contacts, ~400 calendar entries, a few memos and a solitaire game. No media, no browser cache, nothin' else! Again, performance IS better than it was at launch or in the WebOS 1.2 days, but it's still got a long, long way to match the latest crop of Android devices or the iPhone 3GS. The accelerometer also seemed to get hung up quite frequently as well. I don't know if this is a typical complaint of Pre/Pixi owners.

He is giving Palm 3 weeks to address the voicemail password issue and then it goes back to Verizon and he is going to buy a new leftover Centro from E-Bay (per my original recommendation from months ago).

P.S. I prefer Huddle House over Waffle House!


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: very nice review
abosco @ 1/28/2010 7:17:11 PM # M Q
Huddle House? As in, the diner? I just read an article that states the cost of a franchise for one of their diners is only $5000 per month. Screw going there, consider BUYING one!

Great review, Kris. I would have expected more than a few people to line up in the morning for this on VZW. Strange.

RE: very nice review
hkklife @ 1/28/2010 8:05:13 PM # Q
Thanks for the compliments. FWIW, since this isn't a full review, I didn't give a "score" to the Pre Plus. But if I had to make a call, I'd give it somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.5/5 stars. FWIW, the original Pre would garner somewhere around 3/5 based on previous occasions when I've used Sprint versions.

Honestly, I feel that someone going from a late-model Garnet device to the Pre would be more critical of the WebOS twins than would a smartphone neophyte.

Oh, another thing: PreCentral has a nice poll running now asking readers the top 5 patches they'd like to see Palm incorporate into WebOS. Of course, there are many more than 5 features missing from WebOS that were in Garnet. And the usability factor is another thing entirely. IMO, we needed something like Cobalt/ALP on Palm's smartphones and WebOS deserves to be on a larger device. A larger device like, say, the iPad! What a great concept, btw, but overpriced and crippled by not only the OS but a few foolish Apple cost-cutting measures such as no SD slot, no camera etc. Typical Apple arrogance at its best. I think the iPad is going to join the 25th Anniversary Mac and Apple TV in the stinker category.

Of course, the same can be said for the Android , iPhone, BB platforms as well.

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RE: very nice review
Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 1/28/2010 9:17:42 PM # Q
"I would have expected more than a few people to line up in the morning for this on VZW. Strange."

Why would you expect a lineup for the Pre Plus and/or Pixi Plus on Verizon?

What do these phones offer potential customers that other phones don't?

Have the phones been advertised by Verizon + Palm in a manner that would create the type of demand that would lead to lineups?

Why would a longtime PalmOS user switch to a WebOS phone and suffer through the pain of the Classic PalmOS emulator when they could just buy a new Centro on eBay for $100 - $125 and run all of their old PalmOS apps reliably - and a lot more quickly - without dealing with the bugs of a work-in-progress OS like WebOS?

With the iPhone expected within a couple of months on Verizon, how many Verizon customers are likely to commit to buying a Pre Plus or Pixi Plus?

- These are the questions that will decide Palm's fate. The company needs to get bought out ASAP by a well-heeled white knight that can afford to give the platform the year or so of development time it needs to get to the point where it can compete with the likes of iPhoneOS and Android. And the hardware running WebOS needs to step up to the level of the next iPhone, otherwise it's pointless even bothering coming to market. Consumers want sexy hardware first, usability second and applications third. Apple's innovation is that they were the first to make applications a selling point for hardware. Ther irony is that Palm had all of the pieces to make its own App Store years ago and did nothing.

My Centro with Chatteremail and the 200 other apps I've collected over the years is a better (for me) phone than iPhone or an Android phone, even though those newer phones have hardware that embarass the Centro. But the Centro nails the compromise between size, shape and keyboard in my opinion. I use Launcher X for functionality, but bought a copy of TealOS last year before Palm issued the Cease & Desist order to TealPoint. The fact that TealPoint could so quickly mimic the look and feel of WebOS and so easily put a fresh coat of paint on the ancient Centro shows Palm missed the boat and ended up throwing out the baby with the bath water. The Centro design, Palm OS and Palm OS applications just needed a little freshening and could easily have remained a solid alternative for people interested in functionality instead of flash.

It's hilarious to see that prices for new Centros (NEVER buy a used Centro, Kids!) have actually increased on eBay compared to what they used to sell for. A $100 new Centro loaded with 20 or 30 top PalmOS apps is actually a pretty decent competitor to ANY phone currently on the market, including the precious iPhone. Only problem is that the Centro hardware looks more and more primitive with every new Android phone or iPhone that gets announced. Eventually, even the most diehard of PalmOS fans will be seduced by the siren song of sexy specs. (Exhibit A: hkklife) What we need is for Access to release stable PalmOS emulators for Android and (ain't gonna happen) iPhone OS and charge $30 for a license. That way PalmOS fans get to keep their old familiar PIM and other apps without having to stay with hardware from the Dark Ages. Unfortunately, the more likely reality is that enough apps for Android and iPhone OS will be released that mimic the functionality of popular PalmOS apps that - one by one - PalmOS fans will all move on to other platforms (and it won't be WebOS!).

Show me an (smaller) iPhone that has a physical keyboard and I might take a second look at Apple. But I doubt I would ever switch until I can get equivalents of apps like these on a newer platform:

DateBk6
Launcher X
tryda
PalmOS PIM apps
Chatteremail
Bonsai
Palm's threaded text messaging app
TCPMP
Vexed
MinutesPLUS
CallBlock
TreoAreaCodes
TealLock
HandyShopper
AppLock
Butler
TealOS
Comet
Rollover (or Manana)

... and several dozen other apps that are probably too obscure to ever be recreated on another platform but I would never want to do without (e.g. KeyCaps600)

So many great PalmOS apps getting flushed down the toilet with the rest of the platform. What a waste.

RE: very nice review
SeldomVisitor @ 1/29/2010 3:52:15 AM # Q
> ...The company needs to get bought out ASAP by a well-heeled white knight...

Though Palm does indeed need to "get bought out" can you imagine any company fiscally stupid enough to pay $4-5 BILLION for what Palm has to offer?

That's about what Palm would cost right now.

Wait for the stock price to get back down to, say, $2/share THEN see if there's a buyer. That would STILL cost the buyer about a BILLION dollars for what Palm has to offer and, IMHO, would still be financially a Bad Move, but stranger buyouts (er - as strange) HAVE happened! PalmSource was bought for about $300 million and at least they had millions of devices running a solid OS. Palm, of course, would have to cost about 50cents/share to get a buyout price of $300 million.

RE: very nice review
Gekko @ 1/29/2010 3:58:57 AM # Q

why would anyone buy palm? and why? palm brings nothing to the table - especially in the age of Android which is free.


RE: very nice review
LiveFaith @ 1/29/2010 6:05:44 AM # Q
FJH,
I think your post pretty much summed up the feelings of a lot of folks around here concerning a new "Palm OS". Looks like Palm went after the "flash & dash / bells & whistles" concept first, hoping the dev community would fill the voids left after abandoning a mature OS and it's community. They have allowed decent openness in the platform it seems. So, maybe in 2019, you'll be able to trade in your Centro and equal it's functionality.

Gekko,
WebOS is free too, just not as widely distributed.
Pat Horne

RE: very nice review
abosco @ 1/29/2010 6:06:26 AM # M Q
Forthe last damn time, quit bitching about the lack of a hardware keyboard. I used to swear by it with Palm OS. Then the iPhone came out, and the autocorrect was nearly flawless. OS 3.0 now let's you use a landscape keyboard anywhere. Take the plunge. To me, the writing is on the wall that you either need to buy into iPhone or Android if you want support for the next several years. Otherwise, you'll be hanging out on warez channels looking for cracked versions of paid hacks. The smartphone equivalent of being a junkie.

You don't see the silliness of clinging to four year old hardware and claiming other platforms don't have equivalent apps? 140,000 apps is obscene. I'm sure you can find a few that do the job you're looking for.

The reason why I'm surprised that there were no lines is because of the tech geeks that complain about Palm only being on Sprint, or Apple only being on AT&T. I think this at least shows that people are full of shit. If you wanted a Pre, you switched to Sprint. And the truth is, not that many people wanted a Pre.

RE: very nice review
imgreenlantern2 @ 1/29/2010 6:11:51 AM # Q
I find the lack of advertising that Verizon has shown towards the Palm Pre & Pixi disturbing. It means two things in my opinion (Yes, I have a marketing degree).

#1. Verizon is not confident in the Palm Pre/Pixi enough to invest the millions of dollars to advertise the phone properly around the country. They must not think that they could recoup that money. I don't understand how or why they think that, but that would be the ONLY reason why they wouldn't advertise a brand new product.

#2. It could also mean they are waiting to advertise the new phones until AFTER update 1.4 b/c if you think about it the inability to edit and record video is a big deal since all of the other major smartphones already do it.

My opinion: its #1.

RE: very nice review
SeldomVisitor @ 1/29/2010 6:55:26 AM # Q
A lot of (disappointed but dedicated) Fan Boys' opinions is #2.

RE: very nice review
Winterbay @ 1/29/2010 7:25:25 AM # Q
Well, WebOS is a very nice looking OS and has a really good feel to it. I would personally never switch to an iPhone, both because I really hate the aestethics of it (honestly it looks horrible, not to mention the look of the iPad - the mobile worlds first device to take its name from a hygenic product) and the really annoying functionality of somethings like the way you set alarms and calender times. With the Pre you can at least use the number buttons to enter times... Also, the iPhone is like all apple products stupidly overpriced :)

On screen keyboards are horrible. I've used a couple and the precision is always lacking. I'd rather take a keyboard with so-so feedback than a virtual one any day. But then this is my opinion and anyone is entitled to their opinion.

RE: very nice review
Gekko @ 1/29/2010 7:59:41 AM # M Q
first it's sprint's fault and now it's verizon's fault. I don't see anyone blaming at&t for iphone sales.


RE: very nice review
DarthRepublican @ 1/29/2010 3:18:11 PM # Q
LiveFaith wrote:
Did you mean the Awful House? :-D

I wonder if OTA updates are going to address the lags, or if it's just going to be a platform reality? The Pre is not running on junky hardware. Not quite Snapdragon, but it should be snappy if the 3GS is. This is a VERY import issue to customer satisfaction.

I've owned my Pre since mid-June and in my experience the OTA updates tend to improve my unit's performance. Now there are exceptions, 1.3.1 for example was more about adding features and made my Pre slower and introduced stability problems. But for the most part, the nine OTA updates have made my Pre better by adding features and improving performance. Rome wasn't built in a day and the webOS platform won't be either.
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RE: very nice review
abosco @ 1/29/2010 3:48:28 PM # M Q
Also, the iPhone is like all apple products stupidly overpriced :)

Really? 16 GB 3GS for $199 is stupidly overpriced?

At least be honest. You don't like the iPhone because it's an Apple product. I get it. But at least call it like it is. Don't try and bullshit and act like there's another reason. 8.7 million iPhones didn't go to 8.7 million Apple fanboys last quarter. Obviously, people like the OS, keyboard, and apps. And they didn't find it stupidly expensive, either.

RE: very nice review
Gekko @ 1/29/2010 4:08:24 PM # Q

DR -

1. can your Pre multitask this? can you even play it?

http://www.bloomberg.com/streams/audio/radio_live.asx

2. can your Pre FTP?

RE: very nice review
Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 1/29/2010 9:34:05 PM # Q
"Though Palm does indeed need to "get bought out" can you imagine any company fiscally stupid enough to pay $4-5 BILLION for what Palm has to offer?"

After seing the legendary PalmSource Swindle go down in slow motion, nothing would surprise me. Elevation Partners took over Palm with some clever shell game moves. After speaking with my old buddy, Munanvalkuainen Aaelismies I think a simlar deal could be pushed through, since Palm's board realizes that their stock price is entering a death spiral with no chance of self-assisted recovery. Palm-for-cash at current rates would be foolhardy, but to wait much longer before pulling the trigger would be risky. The Palm name and the Pre/WebOS buzz are going down faster than Mike Cane at a sailor's convention.

"why would anyone buy palm? and why? palm brings nothing to the table - especially in the age of Android which is free."

First of all, learn how to write properly. Unless you're a 12 year old girl using your mommy's phone to text message another tween you should know that in English we capitalize the first word in a sentence.
Palm's value is it's name, the Treo and Centro designs, carrier relationships, free PalmOS and - most mportantly - WebOS. The Palm name still has value and could be used to sell phones to the tens of millions of people that bought PalmOS devices over the years. The Treo and Centro designs can easily be copied, though for some reason they haven't yet been cloned by a major competitor. Patents? Carrier relationships are meaningless. Produce a hot phone and the carriers will sacrifice their firstborn child to get an exclusive deal. Free PalmOS is fairly meaningless. Access might as well open source PalmOS for all the revenus it's getting from licensees these days. (In fact, Access suffered massive losses and could easily go out of business soon. They are desperately trying to reposition ALP-OS as something that is still relevant in 2010. It isn't. Selling Access to Google to allow inclusion of a PalmOS emulator in Android might be Access' only remaining option right now.) WebOS is the key. Having your very own robust, scalable platform could be a nice way for a manufacturer to make their stand out from the rest of the pack.

RE: very nice review
Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 1/29/2010 10:58:29 PM # Q
"Forthe last damn time, quit bitching about the lack of a hardware keyboard. I used to swear by it with Palm OS. Then the iPhone came out, and the autocorrect was nearly flawless. OS 3.0 now let's you use a landscape keyboard anywhere. Take the plunge. To me, the writing is on the wall that you either need to buy into iPhone or Android if you want support for the next several years. Otherwise, you'll be hanging out on warez channels looking for cracked versions of paid hacks. The smartphone equivalent of being a junkie."

You were willing to compromise on user input method and adapted to the Apple onscreen keyboard. Try to understand that not all of us are willing to make that compromise. For the last damn time, quit trying to assume that your feelings reflect those of all smartphone users and that your opinion is more valid than the next person's. Perhaps you've heard what they say about opinions...
You come across like a Steve Jobs fluffer. Wake up. Just because the iPhone was the first "smartphone" (not really) to get a lot of things right doesn't mean that it didn't also get a LOT of things wrong as well. Lack of a hardware keyboard is a dealbreaker for many potential iPhone customers.

I recently had to get the keygen for TealOS. (TealOS on a Centro actually seems MORE functional than WebOS on a Pre. Way to go, Palm!) I have now downloaded the latest versions of all of the apps that I use as well as keygens for many of them and MultiUserHack. I paid for my shareware apps, so I don't plan on getting screwed when the developers go out of business and can't provide me with new registration keys if I change devices or user names. "A Good PalmOS Survivalist Is Always Prepared."

"You don't see the silliness of clinging to four year old hardware and claiming other platforms don't have equivalent apps? 140,000 apps is obscene. I'm sure you can find a few that do the job you're looking for."

If PalmOS apps are fast, efficient, familiar, and just plain get the job done better than anything else then I don't see using PalmOS as being anythig other than a smart decision. People like you are so bedazzled by the flashiness of the iPhone that you've forgotten that flash is a poor substitute for functionality. I never said other platforms don't have apps. What I said is I'll wait until other platforms have apps that can replace the ones that I rely on. If you have ever used a slick PalmOS app like DateBk 6 to its fullest you would realize how hard it can be for other platforms to beat a well designed PalmOS app in terms of speed, ease of use and user interface. You braying about "140,000" iPhone apps is as stupid as Palm's previous boasts about "over 30,000" PalmOS apps circa 2001. Everyone knows that in both cases probably well over 90% of those apps are utter crap. In Palm's case it was the pathetic "list" programs coded by a junior high school shitehead with PDAToolbox (MyVideoList, MyCDList, MyShoppingList, MyPackingList...). In Apple's case it's the 139,000 "fart" apps in the App Store. The real issue is how good are the "best" 1000 PalmOS apps compared to the "best" iPhoneOS apps, and are there any missing app niches in either platform. Unless you're willing to discuss the platforms honestly in those terms you're just another trolling Apple fanboi cum Jobs fluffer.

"The reason why I'm surprised that there were no lines is because of the tech geeks that complain about Palm only being on Sprint, or Apple only being on AT&T. I think this at least shows that people are full of shit. If you wanted a Pre, you switched to Sprint. And the truth is, not that many people wanted a Pre."

So Polyanna just now realizes that people are full of shite? Wow. That's a special world you live in there, Princess. Apple has sold tens of millions of iPhones, mostly on AT&T despite its pathetic network. When iPhone reaches Verizon its sales will go through the roof because for many its plain and simple the best phone/OS/app/style package on the market these days. No one wants the WebOS phones on ANY network because there are already better hardware/OS/app/style packages availabe on every network. The fact that prices for WebOS phones are getting slashed every week shows how poor the demand is. The fact that Palm won't announce honest sales figures shows how poor the demand is. And the fact that Verizon isn't bothering to advertise or stock up on WebOS phones shows how poor the demand is. WebOS needs iPhone quality hardware + bugfixes + massive speed improvements + hype + a tenfold increase in its app store just to have a snowball's chance in Hell of competing with iPhone. Instead, all we're seeing is CPP (Crippled Pixi Phones) and incremental fixing of bugs + addition of critical missing features that should all have been dealt with BEFORE the first Pre ever shipped...

No one bought Treo 800w, Treo Pro, Pre or Pixi. The Centro was the only sales success Palm has had in the past 2 years and that was because they were practically giving them away. Once superior hardware like the Android phones and iPhone are on all networks, Palm's sales will evaporate. Most phone sales decisions are made after the Average Joe plays with a demo phone in a shop for a few minutes. Somehow I suspect the flash, luscious big screens and hype of iPhone and Android phones like the Droid are going to sell more phones than the non-functioning Pre displays with cryptic references to "Synergy". (WTF is Synergy, Jonny?) iPhone on Verizon +/- Sprint = lights out for an independent Palm. Maybe Bono can pass the hat at a few concerts and send Rubenstein & Co the bucks they need to get WebOS on some competitive hardware?

RE: very nice review
Winterbay @ 1/30/2010 3:23:32 AM # Q
[quote]Really? 16 GB 3GS for $199 is stupidly overpriced?

At least be honest. You don't like the iPhone because it's an Apple product. I get it. But at least call it like it is. Don't try and bullshit and act like there's another reason. 8.7 million iPhones didn't go to 8.7 million Apple fanboys last quarter. Obviously, people like the OS, keyboard, and apps. And they didn't find it stupidly expensive, either.[/quote]

I assume that is with some kind of contract or that you are in a country where things are cheap. The iPhone 3GS 16GB costs roughly $650 here and that is with a monthly cost of $40 added to it on a 2 year contract. That is not what I define as cheap...

RE: very nice review
abosco @ 1/30/2010 6:53:46 AM # M Q
And doesn't a Pre cost $599 off contract? Another $50 for double the storage space hardly sounds like a price gouge.

You braying about "140,000" iPhone apps is as stupid as Palm's previous boasts about "over 30,000" PalmOS apps circa 2001. Everyone knows that in both cases probably well over 90% of those apps are utter crap.

Oh Christ, here we go again with an idiot claiming all the apps are iFart clones. You want to know why there are 140K apps? Because every single corporation has seen it as ESSENTIAL to getting exposure. Apple even gets free advertising out of it. Have you seen the new Geico commercial about their new iPhone app? By the way, I have their car insurance, and the app is FANTASTIC. Furthermore, every single one of my banks and credit cards have a native app that I can use to check my balance, pay my bill, or find ATM's, etc. This is where the 140K comes from.

It has its fair share of shit ringtone-type apps, but the signal-to-noise in the app store is no higher than other platforms. Android has plenty of shit apps, too. But I've said this before. The real test is looking out into the smartphone market and seeing what the hottest new apps are. Which platforms are they available on? If Android and WinMo have exclusive access to some awesome applications and the iPhone doesn't have it, sure, I will cede this point to you. But time and time again, developers code their new ideas for the iPhone first, and everything else second. Don't get me started on the sheer power of some of these apps, too.

Want a Datebk replacement on iPhone? Agendus is available in the app store.

RE: very nice review
mikecane @ 1/30/2010 8:16:53 AM # Q
>>>The Palm name and the Pre/WebOS buzz are going down faster than Mike Cane at a sailor's convention.

Well, look, kids! It's SKIPPY! Like a bad case of herpes, you'll never know when he'll flare up.

How is it down in that bunker with that stockpile of CLIE TH55s?!

You look a bit pale, lad. Get out some more,. But not around here.

RE: very nice review
Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 1/30/2010 7:03:19 PM # Q
"Oh Christ, here we go again with an idiot claiming all the apps are iFart clones. You want to know why there are 140K apps? Because every single corporation has seen it as ESSENTIAL to getting exposure. Apple even gets free advertising out of it. Have you seen the new Geico commercial about their new iPhone app? By the way, I have their car insurance, and the app is FANTASTIC. Furthermore, every single one of my banks and credit cards have a native app that I can use to check my balance, pay my bill, or find ATM's, etc. This is where the 140K comes from."

"It has its fair share of shit ringtone-type apps, but the signal-to-noise in the app store is no higher than other platforms. Android has plenty of shit apps, too. But I've said this before. The real test is looking out into the smartphone market and seeing what the hottest new apps are. Which platforms are they available on? If Android and WinMo have exclusive access to some awesome applications and the iPhone doesn't have it, sure, I will cede this point to you. But time and time again, developers code their new ideas for the iPhone first, and everything else second. Don't get me started on the sheer power of some of these apps, too."

"Want a Datebk replacement on iPhone? Agendus is available in the app store."

Sit down and take a Valium, Kiddo. The spittle and froth dripping from your slack jaw might just short out your MaxiPad/MacBook, iPad, MiniPad/iPhone and stain your iFlufferKneePads. The comment about the iPhone fart apps is what is known as sarcasm. Yes, iPhone has tens of thousands of apps available. Yes, many of them are very useful and/or good. Yes, Apple's platform is where most developers are focusing their efforts these days. Yes, many iPhone apps do similar things as what PalmOS apps do. The point is that PalmOS still just plain WORKS for many of us and we have no need or interest in moving to your precious iPhone. Furthermore, just because iPhone apps are newer and flashier than many PalmOS apps doesn't mean that they are better than (or even as good as) the PalmOS apps. Case in point: DateBk 6. I can enter, organize and view schedule data on a Centro much more effectively and faster than on an iPhone (or Android device, or Blackberry, or Windows Mobile device, or Symbian device, for that matter). The absence of that one app and a physical keyboard* means iPhone is of no interest to me as long as my Centro keeps working. Someday hopefully you'll understand that not everyone has the same (lack of) taste and (effed up) priorities that you do. Carry on.


* I've used the iPhone onscreen keyboard. It sucks harder than you at Steve's cabana.

RE: very nice review
Winterbay @ 2/1/2010 10:13:52 PM # Q
abosco wrote:
And doesn't a Pre cost $599 off contract? Another $50 for double the storage space hardly sounds like a price gouge.

Double storage yes. And with that I get a crappy calendar, a crappy on screen keyboard and an apple product that, as you very accurately note, I do not like :)

Dr Opinion + Jeff Kirvin
Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 2/4/2010 1:11:43 PM # Q
"Double storage yes. And with that I get a crappy calendar, a crappy on screen keyboard and an apple product that, as you very accurately note, I do not like :)"

The Pre hardware is crap and WebOS was released a year before it was ready. The Pre calendar is worse than the PalmOS options and the Pre hardware keyboard is horrible. Anyone who bought a Pre is either a masochist, a beta tester, or an idiot. We know which of these you are.

RE: very nice review
hkklife @ 2/4/2010 3:51:33 PM # Q
So, should I hold out hope that by June 6th 2010 (one year since the Pre launch) WebOS will have all of its performance and battery life woes address, AND have improved PIM apps AND a better email client AND squash all of the lingering bugs? I sorta doubt it.

IMO, Palm needs to respin the Treo Pro formfactor into a a "Treo Plus". That overlooked gem was the best pice of hardware to come out of Palm since the m500 series IMHO (I'm disregarding WinMob, of course). The Treo Pro was sleek, slim, stylish, fairly well built, and had REAL buttons atop a REAL keyboard. Palm also saw fit to throw in niceties like IR, a decently capacious battery and a microSD slot as well. It had enough of the Rubinstein influence (sleek, slim, stylish, nice packaging) without having enough of his influence to become Apple-ized and dumbed down (feeble battery, no IR, no microSD slot, no physical buttons, awkward keyboard etc).

Palm needs to add a 3rd WebOS device to the lineup ASAP. They should resurrect the Treo moniker when doing so and make it a flagship product oriented at power users and early adopter types. They could (and should) make it something along the lines of a Treo Pro + HTC HD2 hybrid. Replace the d-pad and the hard buttons with the gesture area, keep the green & red buttons (downsize 'em slightly), and at MINIMUM have the Pre's screen on there. Stick no less than 32GB storage (or 8GB + microSD slow) + 1GB RAM and a 1Ghz Snapdragon in that thing to make up for the hideous sluggishness of WebOS. Include the Touchstone standard in the box. Bingo! Instant flagship product and instant positive buzz. And please, address WebOS' weak PIM capabilities while you're at it!
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Palm nightmare: $100 Centro is a BETTER phone than $600 Pre
Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 2/4/2010 9:24:52 PM # Q
"So, should I hold out hope that by June 6th 2010 (one year since the Pre launch) WebOS will have all of its performance and battery life woes address, AND have improved PIM apps AND a better email client AND squash all of the lingering bugs? I sorta doubt it."

If they had spent the past year developing instead of in bugfix mode they could have put out a reasonable OS. They hired Chatteremail author Marc Blank and could have had a decent email program 2 YEARS ago.

"IMO, Palm needs to respin the Treo Pro formfactor into a a "Treo Plus". That overlooked gem was the best pice of hardware to come out of Palm since the m500 series IMHO (I'm disregarding WinMob, of course). The Treo Pro was sleek, slim, stylish, fairly well built, and had REAL buttons atop a REAL keyboard. Palm also saw fit to throw in niceties like IR, a decently capacious battery and a microSD slot as well. It had enough of the Rubinstein influence (sleek, slim, stylish, nice packaging) without having enough of his influence to become Apple-ized and dumbed down (feeble battery, no IR, no microSD slot, no physical buttons, awkward keyboard etc)."

The Treo Pro was fragile and unstable. The form factor was decent, but Palm needs a big-screened WebOS phone more than anything

"Palm needs to add a 3rd WebOS device to the lineup ASAP. They should resurrect the Treo moniker when doing so and make it a flagship product oriented at power users and early adopter types. They could (and should) make it something along the lines of a Treo Pro + HTC HD2 hybrid. Replace the d-pad and the hard buttons with the gesture area, keep the green & red buttons (downsize 'em slightly), and at MINIMUM have the Pre's screen on there. Stick no less than 32GB storage (or 8GB + microSD slow) + 1GB RAM and a 1Ghz Snapdragon in that thing to make up for the hideous sluggishness of WebOS. Include the Touchstone standard in the box. Bingo! Instant flagship product and instant positive buzz. And please, address WebOS' weak PIM capabilities while you're at it!"

The Pre and Pixi look like utter crap compared to the phones we've seen coming out recently. Palm still doesn't seem to realize that incremental upgrades spread out over a 5 year phone life cycle won't cut it in 2010. iPhone was a game changer that made people expect more (style, memory, screen, apps, ease of use, etc) for their money. Like it or not, EVERY phone from now on will get compared to iPhone. Until Palm brings something BETTER than iPhone to market they're just gonna keep on burning through Elevation Partners' seed money.

I recently compared a Sprint 128 MB 2nd edition Centro to the unlocked GSM Centro. The Sprint version feels a lot better. The soft touch finish makes the phone feel a lot more solid + there are no squeaks from the casing like I saw with the plasticy GSM version. Let's see: $100 Centro or $600 Pre? Not exactly hard decision.


RE: very nice review
hkklife @ 2/5/2010 12:01:04 AM # Q
Yes, the 128MB Centro was a superb little device but it was unfortunately released far too late and on too few carriers to be a game-changer. Palm should've released it 6 months earlier and gotten it out in Verizon and GSM flavors as well.

Heck, I always thought Palm should've sent Garnet & the Treo off properly with some kind of "deluxe" final model: If nothing else, a 128MB Centro retrofitted with a killer software bundle, 3.5mm headphone jack and bigger LCD & battery would've been a nice parting gift for Palm OS users (perhaps even in a larger Treo Pro-derived formfactor). It certainly would have made for a nice stopgap to give WebOS the extra ~6 months of development and bugfixing time it desperately needed. Oh well.

P.S. Seeing the baffling continued "success" of the Peek e-mail gadget and the new iPad buzz cheap data service reminds me of 2 years or so ago when I pleaded with Palm to release a "non-phone" wireless communicator. Basically, a Centro with the telephony component ripped out and tweaked for e-mail/web/messaging. Had they partnered up with someone (Virgin Mobile on Sprint's network would've been a natural) and sell these things at retail for $100 and some kind of pre & post-paid $30-$35/month unlimited data-only service. That would've been a natural fit for Garnet's dwindling capabilties + the kiddies & the Mike Cane types would've gone nuts over it. If nothing else, it would've been a nice little niche "recession buster" device for Palm that could've helped wring a few more $ out of the Centro tooling and R&D. Oh well again.
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RE: very nice review
Gekko @ 2/5/2010 4:39:15 AM # Q

peek is a success??? seems silly to me. kids will just text. and ive never seen one out in the wild.
Special edition Centro with WebOS
Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 2/6/2010 11:53:37 AM # M Q
Take the Spint Centro 2 and put in a faster chip, 3.5 mm headphone jack and micro USB connector instead of the Palm Universal Connector, 2 MP camera and WebOS. It would cost Palm peanuts to produce and might just gain them market share. Assuming, of course Jonny & Co aren't secretly trying to sabotage Palm.
RE: very nice review
Tuckermaclain @ 2/16/2010 7:58:31 AM # Q
"Well, look, kids! It's SKIPPY! Like a bad case of herpes, you'll never know when he'll flare up."

I was wondering what he would think of the new OS. Nobody else on this forum is quite so opinionated or verbose. Welcome back. I miss the rants (seriously.)

I agree with you about the Centro. I'm very happy with it. I'd be happier with the Pre if not for the lack of native compatibility with Palm OS apps. I busted on the Facebook app before but since then I've become hooked on Facebook.

RE: very nice review
hkklife @ 2/16/2010 9:59:54 AM # Q
Those are all good points but let's be realistic:

Over a year since the WebOS unveiling at CES, we still don't have video recording, flash, voice dialing, or external expansion card support. Heck, WebOS doesn't even support autodialing your voicemail PIN! So I highly, highly doubt there is any code secretly embeeded within WebOS to support something like a Centro 5-way directional pad. Besides, WebOS is miserable enough at 320x480 or 320x400. 320x320 would be nigh unusable on that tiny screen.

Now, use Garnet instead and that Centro 2 receipe you just described (and I mentioned 18 months or so ago) would've made far more sense in 2008 as a final Palm OS device to bridge the loooong gap between the Centro and the Pre.

Right now the quickest way for Palm get their hardware back on track would be to bump the Pixi up to 320x480 (fewer headaches for developers and users alike) and give it a slightly larger LCD & CPU.

Boost the Pre up to, say, an 800Mhz CPU or at least give it a 32GB option and the bigger battery it so desperatey needs.

Then introduce a flagship device with a 3.7"+ OLED screen, 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU, and a microSD slot. Remove the physical keyboard to allow for a larger battery and thinner device. Waitaminute--Palm insists on a physical keyboard and WebOS doesn't support a virtual one so we'll have to give it a nice wide landscape slider keyboard. Waitaminute again--WebOS wants you to be in portrait orientation 90% of the time and none of the apps aren't optimized for landscape mode. Ok, never mind, Palm's once again toast due to their OS. Only this time what's limiting them is a half-baked OS that only rigidly supports a certain device formfactor instead of the good ol' days when Palm had a crusty old OS that didn't support the latest technology. Looks like they're just gonna have to tough it out with the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus for another year!
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RE: very nice review
Gekko @ 2/16/2010 1:33:04 PM # Q

today -

client breakfast - Droid

client lunch - iPhone, Blackberry

still no sign of Pre or Pixi anywhere.


RE: very nice review
hkklife @ 2/16/2010 2:05:35 PM # Q
Gekko;

you should keep a daily tally of how many days pass until you experience a firsthand WebOS device sighting.

I'm still at (I think) 3 WebOS devices---my boss' Pre Plus, a guy furiously returning his Sprint Pre to BB, then one sighting last summer shortly after launch where a 20-something hipster was rocking a Pre. I've yet to see a Pixi in the wild.
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RE: very nice review
Gekko @ 2/16/2010 2:07:55 PM # Q

your boss don't count. returns don't count.

+1 for the hipster. they have those in the South?

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Dell Mini 5

Gekko @ 1/29/2010 5:11:00 PM # Q

do we have a new contender?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjBcv9iZinY

Con - this looks right up your alley. 5" display? maybe you ARE finally getting a Dell, dude.

RE: Dell Mini 5
mikecane @ 1/30/2010 8:18:26 AM # Q
I didn't bother to click through. It's probably the Dell Streak, right? With the laugh-o-tastic unlocked price of over $1,000!!

Hey, Dell, there's the iPad at $499. Have you heard of it?

RE: Dell Mini 5
Gekko @ 1/30/2010 8:22:08 AM # Q

believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

RE: Dell Mini 5
cbowers @ 1/30/2010 11:39:11 PM # Q
"First of all, learn how to write properly. "

...Then goes on to say

"and - most mportantly - WebOS. "

Sir, with your opening volley you moved into a glass house. Time to stop throwing rocks.

You might take your some of your own advice. Perhaps use a browser with a spell checker. Such things can be most "mportant" to saving face. Then consider the usage of commas or brackets rather than hyphens in the above.

Just saying...
Former devices:
PalmPro (2mb IR upgrade), IIIx, TrgPro, HandEra 330, Palm Tungsten|C

RE: Dell Mini 5
mikecane @ 1/31/2010 4:47:39 PM # Q
>>>believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

And very little of what you write here.

Unless it's a quote.

And then only sometimes.

RE: Dell Mini 5
abosco @ 1/31/2010 6:58:05 PM # M Q
And nothing of what mikecane ever says.
RE: Dell Mini 5
mikecane @ 2/1/2010 7:36:50 AM # Q
Turning on me, you little punk? Go back to the car wash.
RE: Dell Mini 5
Gekko @ 2/1/2010 10:36:31 AM # Q

bagel shop.

RE: Dell Mini 5
abosco @ 2/3/2010 6:36:25 PM # M Q
I would mock your job when you were in high school too, but I don't know what life was like in the 1930's. Sorry.

But I did make some damn good bagels.

RE: Dell Mini 5
Gekko @ 2/3/2010 7:42:37 PM # Q

I said, no more bagels. Maybe you didn't hear about it, you've been away a long time. They didn't go up there and tell you. I don't make bagels anymore.

RE: Dell Mini 5
abosco @ 2/4/2010 8:59:14 AM # M Q
Now go get your ****ing shinebox.
RE: Dell Mini 5
mikecane @ 2/4/2010 9:35:48 AM # Q
Zzzzzzzzz...
RE: Dell Mini 5
Gekko @ 2/4/2010 1:01:22 PM # Q

sorry we're not as intellectual as your faux pseudo-intellectual literary twitter friends.

RE: Dell Mini 5
mikecane @ 2/6/2010 5:12:02 PM # Q
Poor Gekko, nose at the window always looking in.
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Mobile HotSpot

jmchamblis @ 2/1/2010 12:55:40 PM # Q
Has anyone tried using the Mobile HotSpot feaute? I am just now being told by Verizon that I have to pay an additional $40/month for this feature to work.
RE: Mobile HotSpot
Gekko @ 2/1/2010 1:50:14 PM # M Q
there's no free lunch, chamby. it's a cold, hard, ruthless world out there. best learn that lesson while you're young.

RE: Mobile HotSpot
mikecane @ 2/6/2010 5:12:57 PM # Q
Yeah, like CitiCorp has learned it. Like Bank of America has learned it.

Get some eyesight, FFS.

RE: Mobile HotSpot
Gekko @ 2/6/2010 5:17:57 PM # Q

their only problem was they loaned money to deadbeats like you who didn't pay it back and defaulted on their loans. if deadbeats would honor the contracts they signed and paid back money they borrowed we wouldn't have gotten into this trouble. it's the deadbeats that f**ked the American taxpayer.

RE: Mobile HotSpot
e_tellurian @ 2/6/2010 9:11:45 PM # M Q
I know off people working hard to prosper and pay their debts. It takes thoughtful people with the desire to give back too.

Peace,

E-T

RE: Mobile HotSpot
e_tellurian @ 2/6/2010 10:38:08 PM # M Q
How fast do you think China make a profit? How fast do you think North America makes a profit?

Why do you think it is important to constantly innovate?

Peace,

E-T

RE: Mobile HotSpot
e_tellurian @ 2/6/2010 10:48:22 PM # M Q
Having a good income offers the government a good income via taxes. Jobs help to pay debts. Unemployed people can not pay a mortgage, pay any taxes or debts.

Peace,

E-T

RE: Mobile HotSpot
Gekko @ 2/7/2010 4:16:36 AM # Q

E-T - ok now you're being obnoxious with the off topic rambling nonsense and taking advantage of Ryan's kindness. you need to stop. this is not your personal twitter stream. nobody gives a shit about your nonsense here. go see a mental professional - you need help. even by canadian standards, you're f**ked up.
RE: Mobile HotSpot
e_tellurian @ 2/7/2010 7:55:54 AM # M Q
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Peace,

E-T

RE: Mobile HotSpot
Gekko @ 2/7/2010 8:13:24 AM # Q

sorry for being so harsh but you needed an intervention.

RE: Mobile HotSpot
e_tellurian @ 2/7/2010 8:24:51 AM # M Q
E-motion can turn every day physical activitie into energy. Walking can make enough energy to power future we-com virtual wallets, mobile phones, smart phones, web phones and hanheld games. Here is an example http://www.canada.com/mobile/story.html?id=557dd374-8db7-455e-a920-b389d8d17acf

Peace,

E-T

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Thoughts on Palm Pre Plus

peterules @ 2/1/2010 3:36:35 PM # Q
Hello all,
My big question for Palm and everyone out there is simple. With such a great operating system like WebOS how is it possible that the Pre is lagging in its present form with Verizon. I have checked it out a few times in the store and my girlfriend has the pixi plus which lags at times even more than what I have seen on the Pre.

Palm really needs to be pushing the limits. At the very least showcasing its WebOS format pretty much lag free, as I realize nothing is perfect. More than all the other hang ups, just make the phone lag free for basic usage as your biggest priority. With all new phones pushing snapdragon processors and what not, how can any platform really afford to not put there best foot forward? It seems the hardware is as powerful as the droid or the Iphone, so wtf. I am on the fence of either the Droid or the pre with my upgrade. Although I really like the WebOS format a lot more than Android. Will 1.4 solve these issues??

It really makes no sense that with such a great team behind Palm that they havent been able to optimize the experience on the only two phones they carry. The industry is just way to competitive and both the Pre and Pixi should be pretty much lag free by now.

Just my opinion :)


RE: Thoughts on Palm Pre Plus
Gekko @ 2/1/2010 4:24:12 PM # Q

great OS? great team?

based on what? the unacceptable perpetual lag you complain of?

your premise is wrong. the dog wags the tail.

if they were competent enough to do it right the first time or at least fix it by now, they would have.

my guess is buggy shoddy sloppy third rate "good enough" programming is the culprit.


RE: Thoughts on Palm Pre Plus
peterules @ 2/1/2010 6:22:51 PM # Q
Wow dude lets not get crazy. Do an internet search! There is a financial team behind them called the elevation group and the design team has members of the former Apple iphone team.

So again, webOS is a great design on almost every level imo, but its just lags a litte. Again, just saying they should be able to figure it out.

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WMA9 Stream and FTP?

Gekko @ 2/3/2010 7:23:30 AM # Q

can one of you 1-2 people on this site that have a Pre or Pixi let me know if webOS can YET -

1. multitask this? can you even play it?

http://www.bloomberg.com/streams/audio/radio_live.asx

2. can you FTP?

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
hkklife @ 2/3/2010 8:22:12 AM # M Q
Well, for what it's worth, my Moto Droid cannot play the stream. I will check it later when I have access to a Pre Plus for you if no one else has responded.

Right now I am really crossing my fingers that WM7 appears in a timely fashion and address all of the various shortcomings of BB OS, iPhone, Android and WebOS.

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/3/2010 1:09:50 PM # Q

hkk - thanks. try using this and let me know how it works -

Droid Cumulus Radio V1.0.1 Capable of playing MMS, ASX channel MMS/ASX Channels works only in supported/specific set of android devices.

http://droidcumulus.leadapps.com/

---------------------

what's critical to me?

1. great PIM Apps - Contacts and Calendar.
2. streaming/multitasking LIVE radio - ie Bloomberg.
3. FTP capability.
4. viewing and editing Excel and Word files.

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/4/2010 8:55:39 AM # M Q
so does it work?
RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Ed Lin @ 2/4/2010 9:53:25 PM # Q
WMA9 stream doesn't work on the Pre, other streams do however, and there are Internet Radio apps (that multitask, take *that* iPhone!) in the App Catalog. FTP/SFTP/SSH/etc work from the Homebrew terminal, but that's tricky if you aren't used to a command-line Linux ftp program. (I don't know of other solutions.)

Incidentally, that stream won't play on OS X on a *computer* either, in fact, it made Firefox crash! I suspect you're looking for Windows Mobile if you want WMA9, but I think I would use a can and string rather than Windows Mobile as a cell phone. ;-)

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
hkklife @ 2/4/2010 10:12:33 PM # Q
Gekko;

Doesn't work on my Droid. I suspect this is due to that shoddy, buggy app. It probably is only for Android 1.x devices, not newer units like the Droid and Nexus One running Android 2.x.

Alas. The search continues, huh? Maybe we'll both find the perfect device once WinMob7 arrives!
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RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/5/2010 4:36:21 AM # Q

edlin - it plays on my Centro with pockettunes 5.0 perfectly. it even multitasks it live. this is real live radio - not pandora nonsense.


RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/5/2010 4:37:22 AM # Q

hkk - in the android documentation - i thought i saw wma was a supported media type???
RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/5/2010 8:39:04 AM # Q

hkk - try this -

http://aor.leadapps.com/

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
hkklife @ 2/5/2010 10:51:18 AM # M Q
Gekko;

Locally stored WMA files play just fine on the Droid media app and I suspect that's what the spec sheet was referring to. However, the WMV file I downloaded here to my Droid has no sound (video is perfect) but the same video plays fine with audio on my PC. But streaming media is a different story entirely. I will give that other app a whirl for ya tonight.

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/5/2010 5:00:14 PM # Q

interesting. i wonder if there's an app for -

1. live streaming radio.
2. ftp.

webOS is lacking.

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/7/2010 8:14:46 AM # Q

hkk - you still owe me a test result.


RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/7/2010 9:15:18 AM # Q

looks like iphone can do it and multitask it. all for $6.99.

Pocket Tunes™ Radio Overview

http://www.normsoft.com/products/iphone/pockettunes/

of course battery life is probably an issue streaming on iphone vs. centro.

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/7/2010 9:46:01 AM # Q

and here's a good FTP app. i'm sure there are others.

http://www.ftponthego.com/


RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
abosco @ 2/7/2010 2:35:43 PM # Q
Jesus H. Christ, look at that. Who knew the iPhone had such strong developer support? I wonder what kind of an asshole would have recommended you to buy one months ago!?!?

Take a look at QuickOffice and D2G and see if their editing features are good enough for you.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/7/2010 2:49:42 PM # Q

that was no big secret or revelation, chachi. the big obstacle is that shitty at&t network.

RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/8/2010 7:26:01 PM # Q

hkk?
RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
hkklife @ 2/8/2010 8:26:13 PM # Q
"URL not working"
"Entered Channel URL Not Working..."

No go. Sorry, Gekko. Nice little app otherwise, I must admit. Thanks for the heads up.
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RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/9/2010 1:10:23 AM # Q

hkk - try this URL instead -

mms://a1042.l2489851244.c24898.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1042/24898/v0001/reflector:51244


RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/9/2010 3:57:59 PM # Q

hkk - who's cracking the whip on you? the boss or the wife?


RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
hkklife @ 2/9/2010 8:26:32 PM # Q
#1: Both are crackin' on me this week, Gek!

#2 Link is a no-go on the Droid, sorry.
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RE: WMA9 Stream and FTP?
Gekko @ 2/10/2010 11:55:14 AM # Q

damn! it looks like iPhone wins.
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hkk - update?

Gekko @ 2/10/2010 5:06:27 PM # Q

how does your boss like that pig so far?
RE: hkk - update?
hkklife @ 2/10/2010 5:54:27 PM # Q
As a phone, it's surprisingly good. The best Palm smartphone I/we have ever used as far as call clarity, reception, volume etc. That is aside from the mind-boggling voicemail PIN dialing bug and the lack of voice dialing.

Otherwise, he likes the larger screen from his Centro/Treos but still has iPhone/Droid/Nexus One envy (as do I). At absolute minumum, Palm needs a device with 3.5" 320x480 or ideally 3.7"+ with WVGA res.

Let's see, what else...the stock WebOS email app still blows, and the other PIM functions are still weak compared to the Centro. He's managed to adapt to the lack of a stylus but sorely misses his directional pad and hard app buttons. he also misses the programable shortcut/quickdial menu found in the Garnet phone app.

I would say he's 60% likely to keep it now, if only because he realizes Garnet is a dead end and he's already bought a few WebOS apps already. He also likes the convenience of the cloud and being able to multitask with a variety of app cards open with no major slowdown. He just told me earlier today that he wishes Palm had released a Garnet Treo with the Centro's capabilities and WebOS aesthetics.

If I was standing in a VZW store right NOW and had to buy a device at THIS instant I honestly cannot tell you if I would take a Droid or a Pre Plus. In all honestly, I'd try to snag a leftover Centro and a cheap Moto dumbphone. Let me get the new Android 2.1 update installed on my Droid and compare it head to head with WebOS 1.4 and I'll let you know what my decision would be in that hypothetical situation.
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Verizon Palm Pre

loupnoir @ 2/11/2010 2:16:24 PM # Q
I been waiting for YEARS for Verizon to introduce a smartphone that would sync with Macs.....and the people at Verizon are not only clueless about Palm, but seem to have no interest in the product. They kept trying to sell me a Blackberry and admitted that they hadn't bothered to read any of the materials sent regarding the Palm Pre or Pixi and simply deleted them since they didn't anticipate selling many of them.

SO -- it took over three hours to simply transfer my saved telephone numbers from my old Verizon account (forget texts and photos -- not possible) and even then, the sales people were surprised when the transfer actually went through.

This is a terrific phone -- I love it and every friend I have wants one -- but unless Verizon puts some serious support behind it, it isn't going to be a success. They're also selling a package of add'l products that aren't worth anything -- I thought I was getting a second charger with the Touchstone, but since they don't include the connection cables, you're forced to either buy an extra home charger or have an odd paperweight.

RE: Verizon Palm Pre
Gekko @ 2/11/2010 2:36:47 PM # Q

loupie - what kind of phone did you come from?

dumbphone?

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Day #30 Update: Pre Plus went back to BB!

hkklife @ 2/25/2010 6:17:47 PM # Q
'Nuff said.

The boss was already very, very frustrated with the various shortcomings of the Pre. He continues to lament the poor performance, sluggish touchscreen response, weak battery life, and dumbed-down PIM capabilities. He also misses the 5-way navigator, the Garnet phone app quick-dial/favorite screen, and being able to delete multiple email messages at a time like he could in VersaMail. There is quite a litany of complaints but these are the biggies.

Nevertheless, the larger screen, improved formfactor, cloud synchronization, Synergy and Touchstone had (*barely*) managed to convince him to keep the Pre Plus. Then a few days later he got hit with a triple whammy---he tried to make some changes to an MS Office file he received as an attachment. I told the bundled DTG could only view. He said "let's buy the full version". I said " There is none" and promptly sent him the Dataviz URL showing the feature breakdown between the various OSes supported by DTG. Garnet and BlackBerry trounce the WebOS DTG. He proceeded to fume. On top of that blow, he panicked at the grim news surrounding Palm this week. I told him that if Palm went down for the count or even if he ceased paying for monthly service on his WebOS device, it would NOT function as an unconnected PDA as a previous Treos/Centro would without resorting to some major ROM hackery. The final blow was the lack of the WebOS 1.4 update within a 30-day return window for those who purchaed a Pre Plus on launch day (January 25th).

So the Pre Plus went back to BB yesterday for a full refund. The salesclerk said a lot of these units had been coming back recently and did not seem to care one way or another.

As a final aside, I must mention that the boss promptly bought another VZW Centro from E-Bay to keep as a "spare". It's also worth noting that the final remaining stocks of "new" Centros are being depleted rapidly and prices are creeping upwards.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

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Boss still using Pre Plus?

mikecane @ 5/1/2010 7:12:42 AM # Q
Well, here we are about four months later. So, is he still using the Pre Plus? Does he like it?
RE: Boss still using Pre Plus?
hkklife @ 5/1/2010 9:19:33 AM # Q
Did you NOT read the above update from February at all????
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"So the Pre Plus went back to BB yesterday for a full refund. The salesclerk said a lot of these units had been coming back recently and did not seem to care one way or another.

As a final aside, I must mention that the boss promptly bought another VZW Centro from E-Bay to keep as a "spare". It's also worth noting that the final remaining stocks of "new" Centros are being depleted rapidly and prices are creeping upwards."
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He hated the Pre Plus in nearly all aspects. I didn't hate it but was extremely, extremely disappointed by it in nearly every aspect. I haven't used one since the 1.4 update so I cannot comment on any speed improvements or the video recording quality but I was honestly expecting more from a so-caled "Plus" device.

He returned the Pre Plus and went back to his Centro.
He then got another VZW Centro from E-Bay to keep around as a spare before deciding, then got an HD2 from T-Mobile. T-Mob offered him a fantastic deal on an unlocked HD2 and his monthly bill is less than it was with VZW. Of course, on the downside he has very spotty coverage in some areas and even spottier 3G coverage. And everyone else who is still on Verizon and isn't on an unlimited plan is aggravated at losing the unlimited mobile-to-mobile talking with him.

Personally, I think he should have stuck with the Centro or waited for something like the Droid Incredible or Droid 2 instead of a dead end like WM 6.5 but he loved that huge screen + 1ghz Snapdragon comboination and had to have it NOW.

Am I still moderately optimistic about the overall outlook and potential of WebOS in the aftermath of the HP news? Yes.

Would I sign a 2yr or even a 1yr contract for a "free" Pre Plus? Hell no!

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid + Verizon Palm Centro

RE: Boss still using Pre Plus?
mikecane @ 5/2/2010 2:43:06 PM # Q
>>>Did you NOT read the above update from February at all????

No. Duh!

So, he'd be a hard one to win back to Palm later on, huh? I wonder how many other people will share that aversion?

RE: Boss still using Pre Plus?
mikecane @ 5/2/2010 2:44:29 PM # Q
And the update should have been in the damned article, not a frikkin Comment. It's like the NYT doing Corrections in a separate part of their site and not updating the article itself. This is not print. FAIL!
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If you like Classic PalmOS applications, get a Sprint Centro 2

Fake Jeff Hawkins @ 5/2/2010 11:38:58 AM # Q
If you like Classic PalmOS applications, get a Sprint Centro 2 from eBay before they're all gone. This is the last decent device we'll ever see from Palm. At this stage we don't know if HP will support PalmOS apps in webOS, and the current Classic emulator for webOS is horrible.

Even if you can't use the phone part of the Centro 2 it still makes a great PDA. And for $99 on eBay you can't go wrong. Whatever you do, though only buy BRAND NEW Centro 2, and only from a reputable vendor. Used Centro should be avoided like the plague.

FJH

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