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Both the HandEra 330 and the new Sony Cliť offer screens with higher resolutions than Palm's standard 160 x 160 pixels. The 330 has a 240 x 240 monochrome screen and a soft Grafitti area that can expand it to 320 x 240. The Sony N710C has a 320 x 320 color screen. Both of these offer ways to display legacy 160 x 160 apps but some developers are already working on applications that can natively run at the higher resolutions.
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Jot sucks anyway

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 2:19:20 PM #
CIC sucks for customer service

RE: Jot sucks anyway
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 3:27:05 PM #
Sounds like Jot has a PR Problem.

Any PDA that doesn't sell well will not be supported
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 11:27:23 PM #
It is interesting to see how 1 or 2 obsessive individuals (can you say Joshua Morganstein?) think that they can pester software companies into supporting the HandEra 330. Believe it or not, these companies do not have the resources to support every fringe display format that gets released.

I feel sorry for poor CESD, the DateBk4 author. This guy must be sick of dealing with these idiots. And heaven forbid he annoy one of the zealots by blowing them off with a flippant answer like "e will support that display format if and when we feel like it" - then he would have to endure a barrage of derogatory posts to every Palm newsgroup and message board.

Once programmers see how few sales the HandEra generates, they will be a lot less inclined to be badgered into supporting it, despite how much screaming people like Joshy do. READ MY LIPS: IF IT DOES NOT SELL, IT WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED. Think of it as survival of the fittest (display).

RE: Jot sucks anyway
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 2:16:58 AM #
It's clear to me that you never reached a high level of education because of your extremely poor use of logic.

RE: Jot sucks anyway
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 9:08:41 AM #
Why don't we wait and see how the 330 sells before condemning it out of hand? I think that it has the potential to do very well.

RE: Jot sucks anyway
JET8810 @ 5/12/2001 8:35:10 PM #
to the guy above who mentioned that the handera will be supported depending on its sales...you mentioned something about "Unless the device sells it wont be supported no matter how much screaming people like Joshy do" Who is joshy? r u refering to the MAN who emailed jot? Why are you calling him/me a baby?

RE: Jot sucks anyway
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/17/2001 8:58:03 AM #
I agree. JOT sucks. So does their WordComplete. It always leaves screen residue. Stay away from CIC software!

RE: Jot sucks anyway
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/26/2001 5:54:41 PM #
Fortunately for Handera 330 owners (but unfortunately for the guy posting above), the Handera 330 has sold in mass quantities, and with Handera's SDK, the screen is quite easy to develop for, and mods to older programs require minimum effort.

He's right in saying that products that don't sell don't get support. That's business. However, this very same resolution has been standard for WinCE/Pocket PC devices for some time, and can hardly be called a "fringe display format". Get used to it guy, hi res is the future. In speaking of zealots, it's wise not to look like a neophobe zealot yourself.

Why doesn't..

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 2:38:44 PM #
"Jot
CIC has not yet received a copy of the HandEra 330 so they haven't been able to test Jot with it. A spokesperson said, "I will have to assume that Jot will not be compatible with this particular model." "

Well doesn't HandEra have a rom and an emulator for CIC to test Jot with? They probably don't want to invest more money into supporting hi res

RE: Why doesn't..
JET8810 @ 5/7/2001 5:00:42 PM #
I agree. I cant help but say that i am the Josh that sent ED the jot info..;)...LOL. Anyways, I loved JOT, but i guess i will have to use graffiti on my new handera...:(. If only somebody would create an app that lets your write graffiti on the screen that is compatible with the handera....(screenwrite doesnt work)

RE: Why doesn't..
GrouchoMarx @ 5/7/2001 5:49:08 PM #
Handera has had a ROM and emulator available on their site for a while now.

How to convert your apps.

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 3:36:23 PM #
1. Download the develop_kit from Handera.com
This contains all the documents (ref man and companion) for the new functions, as well as great exampleprograms with sources.

2. Download the POSE3.1Handera version.

3. Apply on handera.com as developer. In a few minutes, you recive an email with a link.
Follow the link, log in and download the ROMs.

4. Follow the guidelines in the Handera330 Programmers Companion and in a few minutes you will have your old apps working perfectly!

5. Test them in the emulator.

6. Share and enjoy!

How many shades of gray on new Clie?

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 5:43:39 PM #
I am interested in using the new Clie for radiologic applications due to it's enhanced resolution - how many shades of gray and how many colors will it support?



La Clie
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 6:10:35 PM #
The Clie has 8 bit color support. (256 colors)

I guess Sony had to give something up for the increased resolution.

Now, the dilemma: 16 bit color m505 or the high res yet 8 bit Clie...

Peace Out,
Nixter

RE: How many shades of gray on new Clie?
mikecane @ 5/7/2001 7:03:28 PM #
You must wait until you can see *both* the m505 and CLIE N710C in person side-by-side. Weight, "hand-feel" (sounds obscene!), weight, and "pocketability" will also be factors aside from judging the screens.

RE: How many shades of gray on new Clie?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 8:27:51 PM #
Why would you purchase that trash of Sony over the M505? Who cares about a higher resolution? Why do you even need a higher resolution on a PDA? Would you rather have a more rounded machine in comparison to something with 8-bit color and a high resolution? Isn't this "great" resolution going to slow that thing down? How many ozs. heavier are all of the other color PDA's? The choice is already made for all of you!!!!! M505 all the way!!!!

RE: How many shades of gray on new Clie?
Dwayne @ 5/7/2001 8:52:46 PM #
Actually the folks at Red Mercury have done quite a bit of testing with the N7x0C and due to the graphics accelerator, the N7x0C can actually run FASTER in high resolution mode as compared to legacy mode.

It seems that the Palm market has been well served these last couple of months. Everyone has specific needs/wants and there are plenty of Palms to choose from. Personally I love the high resolution of my N700C, but I understand why some others would prefer the lighter weight of the M505, soft grafitti area of the Handera, etc.

RE: How many shades of gray on new Clie?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 1:36:50 PM #
Correct me if i am wrong, but Sony Clie 710 uses an adaptive pallet, right? If this is the case, it should be capable of displaying a complete gray scale (256 shades).

BTW: An adaptive pallet means that even though the device is only capable of displaying 256 colors at a time, the palate is not fixed and the device can display *any* combination of 256 colors (including 256 shades of gray).

2c

RE: How many shades of gray on new Clie?
Satan @ 5/8/2001 9:17:06 PM #
I believe that it can run 256 colors at a time out of a total of 4096 colors. The monochrome part of the display should be 4 bit (16 shades of gray).

RE: How many shades of gray on new Clie?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/1/2002 4:38:40 PM #
clie 770 has 16 bit color and hi-res... looks gorgeous, very clear, readable screen. Once you try it, you never want to go back to m505 again.....

that happens to me!!!

Red Mercury will support the Handera 330

GrouchoMarx @ 5/7/2001 5:51:39 PM #
Red Mercury stated recently on PalmStation that they do plan on supporting the Handera 330. They have not been able to get ROMs or the emulator until recently, as they were not part of the super-secret conspiracy surrounding Handera. :-)

http://www.palmstation.com/view_article.py?article=4117&flat_mode=1

--GrouchoMarx

RE: Red Mercury will support the Handera 330
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 6:20:11 PM #
Given that Red Mercury's trialware games are bundled with the Sony, I can only guess what promises they had to make to Sony to get this (like not adapting their games to competing resolutions, maybe?). If not that, then maybe they're just wanting the Clie to be more popular so they'll have an "in" with the leading h/w provider. It doesn't really matter -- their comments should just be taken with the fact that they are partners with Sony.

RE: Red Mercury will support the Handera 330
Red Mercury @ 5/7/2001 10:03:20 PM #
It seems that the people that get chosen for pre-release hardware are basically whoever the hardware manufacturer is familiar with. We were lucky to get early access to the Sony, others were lucky to get early access to the Handera.

All hardware manufacturers face a dilemma - they want support for their new features, but they can't let everyone in the world know about their new products. They also don't have enough hardware to give a unit to every developer in the world. Developers that do get sneak preview info or hardware usually only have to agree to keep things secret, nothing more.

We of course will support the Handera 330, in keeping with our goal of supporting all Palm OS hardware.

That said, you should take Red Mercury's comments and huge web site extravaganza with whatever size grain of salt you are comfortable with. Clearly we're happy to support new technology, and we'll promote the crap out of ourselves over it, since it's the most exciting thing that's happened to us lately. If we had an m505, and we supported 16 bit color on it, we'd probably have a big "m505 rules" section on our site too, ditto for the Handera 330.

On the other hand, what we say is true, and we don't just make stuff up. You'll notice that our site isn't full of too many fancy buzzwords, just technical facts and screen shots. Sony was frankly surprised when we put the N710C preview up on May 1st - they had nothing to do with it.

So, if you trust Red Mercury, trust what we say about the N710C. If you don't trust us, or don't know us, that's cool too.

Scott

Conspiracy theory 101
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/7/2001 10:08:01 PM #
Get help, buddy.

RE: Red Mercury will support the Handera 330
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 2:21:26 AM #
Scott's right. Keep your mind open and don't feed the trolls.

hi-res for older palms

twizza @ 5/7/2001 9:51:05 PM #
i am seeing these advances in the resolution of palms and wonder if we older palm users can benifit from these advancements. seeing that sony was able to make the res increase inside of os3.5, why doesn't someone offer a hi-res option for others. we are seeing that this isn't a hardware thing so it shouldn't be impossible to write. if i had some programming know-how then I would try it.
RE: hi-res for older palms
GregGaub @ 5/7/2001 11:18:17 PM #
What?!? No, high resolution IS a hardware thing. You won't be getting a software hack or application of any kind that will give you more 320x320 on a 160x160 screen. 160x160 screens are *physically* only those number of pixels. Same with the 320x320, and 240x320 screens. They are what they are. They can run older programs by stretching them to fit their screens. If you want a device with high-resolution screen, you'll need to buy a new unit.
-Greg

RE: hi-res for older palms
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/20/2001 10:19:46 AM #
THIS is why incest is illegal!

RE: hi-res for older palms
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2001 9:52:31 AM #
bwahahaha

When is the new handspring (Prism2?) coming ??

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 3:32:04 AM #
Are there any rumours when a new handspring (prism2) will hit the market ?? I think because palm & sony show off new models.. handspring should release a ultimate palm with 320x320 screen and 16bit color..
wouldn't that be cool :)

RE: When is the new handspring (Prism2?) coming ??
Satan @ 5/8/2001 6:12:38 AM #
A few "guesses"

Visor Snap
$499
16 bit color
Size of Visor Edge
Available first week of July

RE: When is the new handspring (Prism2?) coming ??
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 7:07:48 AM #
VisorTwist 16 bit color
from visorcentral:

"I think the Twist in VisorTwist refers to SuperTwist LCD technology So maybe we will see a color unit with the VisorEdge form factor. "

http://www.zdwebopedia.com/TERM/s/supertwist.html


RE: When is the new handspring (Prism2?) coming ??
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 10:34:37 AM #
Why not have the ...

HewlettPackard 543p
206mhz processor
16MB flash
32MB Ram
1GB microdrive
108kbs wideband wireless modem

All running PalmOS 5.43 at 640x640 in 24bit color!


RE: When is the new handspring (Prism2?) coming ??
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 11:17:11 AM #
you forgot the s-video output :)


RE: When is the new handspring (Prism2?) coming ??
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 12:34:07 AM #
no, we use component output, svideo is too old :-)

X-rays on Sony Clie?

Palm Palm @ 5/8/2001 5:30:41 AM #
I'm also interested to know how many different shades of gray can be shown on Sony N710C. It'd be nice to have radiological teaching files with me at hand.
RE: X-rays on Sony Clie?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 5:57:29 AM #
would be 256 the same as color I guess...


map software

David @ 5/8/2001 8:26:32 AM #
What's the ugliest palm software at 160x160? MAP SOFTWARE. While I'd like a GPS add-on for my palm, the rez and map file size make it not worth it. Would be nice to see maps in 320x320 and accesible from a memory stick.
Later,
David in Pflugerville
RE: map software
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 10:45:51 AM #
Mapopolis now supports HandEra's 240x320 screen with full screen maps!

http://www.handera.com/accessories/mapopolis.asp

RE: map software
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/8/2001 10:18:02 AM #
They support the Handera 330, but their map list is limited to the U.S. only.

The rest of us would appreciate support as well. I've been looking for Canadian city maps (especially
for Mapopolis, since I own a Handera 330, but their response is that they have no timeframe for providing
non-U.S. city maps)


RE: map software
JStraub @ 10/1/2002 3:11:51 AM #
FYI, Mapopolis now provides Platinum & Platinum+GPS level maps for most major Canadian cities. Visit http://www.mapopolis.com/search.jsp to purchase & download Canadian maps.

Thanks,

Jeremy Straub
Mapopolis.Com, Inc,


Seahorse Software has 10 HandEra 330 ready programs

bjbyrne @ 5/8/2001 8:38:47 AM #
James Lee from Seahorse Software has updated all of his addictive games for the HandEra 330. The all take full support the minimized graffiti area and utilize the higher resolution for better graphics.

His programs can be see at:

http://www.handera.com/accessories/seahorse.asp


RE: Seahorse Software has 10 HandEra 330 ready programs
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 9:52:41 AM #
The only person spamming us with crap is you Dufus.

Other HandEra-Ready Apps
Ed @ 5/8/2001 10:07:53 AM #
Thanks for the link. There are a few other apps listed on the HandEra site that have also already been reformatted for the new screen:

BigClock:
http://www.handera.com/accessories/bigclock.asp

Tank Pilot:
http://www.handera.com/accessories/tankpilot.asp

If anyone knows of any other apps that are HandEra- or N720C-ready, please let us know.

---
News Editor
Palm Infocenter

RE: Seahorse Software has 10 HandEra 330 ready programs
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2001 9:16:58 PM #
Check out HandEra's supported applications website:
http://www.handera.com/accessories/software.asp

Also Silkclockhack is cool. It could be a contest winner.

http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=14396

HandEra development contest details:

http://www.handera.com/support/developsupport.asp

An app I'd like to see for the Handera 330

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 12:37:35 PM #
I'd like to see Imagiworks mathematics software with a keyboard with mathematics symbols integrated into the virtual graffiti area.


Graphing Calculator
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/8/2001 10:17:36 PM #
This hi-res screen would be a dream come true for a real graphing calculator. What a handy tool for high school and college students. They need to start deliveries of the Handera 330, before any more time flies by.

M505lnternet orScreen o

Australian Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 1:12:21 AM #
ln Aus we will have to wait for ever for the M505 l just passed through Singapore on the way to Europe they have no idea when they will see it? Looking at write ups on Sony & Palm units it looks like Sony have put together a nice unit to look at but what else? l want to upgrade from my Palm111X which l use to connect to the internet via Modems my Mobile Modem is not used anymore as my new Nokia 6210 has a built in Modem & my Landline Modem won't be compatible with the M505 so their is $600.00Aus that is obsolete but thats the price for keeping up with Technology.So it looks like the M505 will be my Choice as Sony are not even talking Modems or internet connections? What good is that.So is there a M505 Landline Modem and travel Charger available in the near Future?lt is so obvious that Palm have sacrificed a Fantastic Screen for Power reasons,maybe when they create a new more powerful Battery source then we will have Palm screens like Laptops

Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 3:51:05 AM #
Just saw this over at Pen Computing...

http://www.pencomputing.com/palm/stest/m500vsN710C.html

RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 4:41:11 AM #
Why Palm....Why...?

RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 9:38:58 AM #
For better battery life. Duh.

RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 11:07:00 AM #
Everyone is so quick to point out how nice the screen on the new Sony thing is but seem to completely ignore see how much thicker that Sony is than the m505? For god's sake, did you see the size of that thing? Along with that size and all the jog-dials, buttons and switches on the side, the damn thing looks like a first generation CE device. No thanks to that.
The m505 may not have the best screen, but it succeeds in what it was intended to do, be a small, elegant, color PDA.

RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 12:48:03 PM #
I believe you mistyped your last sentence. It was supposed to read, "The m505 may not have the best screen, but it succeeds in what it was intended to do, be a small, elegant, ugly-screened PDA that no-one in their right mind would choose over the Sony or the upcoming new color Visor."

I think people who buy the m505 are going to be kinking themselves in a month. Palm is about to get deluged with returns from unhappy m505 purchasers. I wouldn't be surprised to see a recall soon.


RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 1:52:55 PM #
Well, I think people who buy the m505 are going to be KICKING themselves in a month.

;-)

RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 2:14:24 PM #
I won't be kicking anything. The m505 does exactly the same thing as the Sony WITHOUT those overpriced Memory Sticks, seldom-used mp3 feature, longer battery life, and is FIFTY bucks cheaper.

In terms of battery life, Sony claims two weeks but can they really do that with a screen that bright? Probably not. Statistics can be twisted in many different hours. And THREE hours playing mp3's? Please. I won't even consider their stat about 11 hours mp3 playback with the screen off since I'm not going to be playing the same two or three songs for entertainment because of the small 8MB mem stick. I'm sure as heck not buying the $120 64 MB mem stick.

Sony is overpriced. The m505 does everything I need it to do and has more/better third-party hardware support so buy Q3 or Q4, we should start seeing a proliferation of SD devices.

By the way, the screen isn't bad. At all.


RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 2:26:36 PM #
I purchaed the m505 from Office Depot. I had a hard time adjusting from the Prism's screen to the new 505 screen. Do you have any suggestions?

Wendy

RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 2:46:18 PM #
Yes. Return it and but a CLIE N710C in 3 weeks.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

I purchaed the m505 from Office Depot. I had a hard time adjusting from the Prism's screen to the new 505 screen. Do you have any suggestions?

Wendy



RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 2:53:50 PM #
I think you are right. I am returning my m505 today. Do you guys know anything about a "new" color prism?

Thanks

RE: There Not even Close!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 3:19:55 PM #
It amazes me how humans can adapt to almost any adverse condition, and fool themselves into thinking that a mediocre situation is not so bad after all, but perfectly acceptable. This applies to the m505 screen quality or lack thereof. Just think how much more usabliity and functionality you could get out of the device if it had a superior screen like the upcoming Sony Clie. I do not plan on using the MP3 player by the way because I agree that it is too expensive.


RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 4:37:52 PM #
QUOTE: "It amazes me how humans can adapt to almost any adverse condition..."

I agree with you. I don't know if it was all this built up expectation from the hype, but I was disappointed when I saw the m505 screen.

First off, there is still a grid on the screen (yes it may be a little better, but it doesn't empower any m505 owner to put down the IIIc or Prism by far) Ė too hard on my eyes.

Second, I donít know if it was the lighting at OD, but I had to strain to see the color (it was already on when I walked up and, for a second, I though I was looking at a m500.. bad sign). It was ok, once I turned the backlighting on, but wasnít it designed to work indoors without it? Bottom line, I only liked it with the backlight on and even then I still wanted to make it brighter. The fact that there are hacks for this issue means im not the only one with this opinion.

Donít get me wrong. I think it is a cool device. It incorporates a lot of technology into a small package, but does that make it a good product? At the very least the bar has been raised and progress has been made in the Palm platform. ;)

Just look for yourself. Form your own opinions.

2c


RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 4:49:03 PM #
Yes, I too thought about returning the 505 right away, but I decided to give it at least the weekend to "give it a second chance" Well, I'm glad I did, because it is actually very usable and I'm very happy with it now.
And to those people who say wait for a Clie, I say, yes it may have a better screen, but let's compare PDA's to notebooks. I could get an 8lb Dell with a beautiful 15" screen or I could get a 3lb NEC Subnotebook with an 11" screen. While the Sub-note might not have the big, bright screen that gets you all hot and bothered, it will be more usable to ME because
1. It is easier to take with me (VERY IMPORTANT)
2. Longer battery life
and 3. It still has a color screen (Although not as nice of one).

Until that Sony is at least Half the width that it is, the ONLY pda it should be compared to is the iPAQ (Which would be more like a Desktop PC in my analogy above)


RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 5:54:37 PM #
No, lets compare PDAs to PDAs. The Clie, while bigger than an m505, is still smaller than the PalmIII series by about 20%. It's one thing if the Clie has the same features, but it has more, so the size difference is realistically justifiable.

This irrational justification is exactly what the other guy above was talking about when he said:

"...humans can adapt to almost any adverse condition, and fool themselves into thinking that a mediocre situation is not so bad ..."

Some of you wanted the color so bad that you bought the m505 without taking the time to see the product first. Now you are disappointed and have to justify your purchase. But to do so by comparing the Clie to a notebook/desktop?!?! WOW!

Thanks for the good laugh. ;)

2c


RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
drac @ 5/10/2001 2:05:20 PM #
You're right.

I mean, you do exaggerate the size difference between the Clie and the III-series, but you are correct in principle- the Clie has more features.

But if I don't *want* those features as much as I want a small handheld, they are no consolation to me...

Let's be serious, though. If those features were all available in a cheaply priced unit the size of a Vx, I'd buy it in a flash. But life's not like that, and all features are not equally important to everyone...

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
- Mahatma Gandhi

d r. a. c h a r l e s
barbados

Size Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C etc.
drac @ 5/10/2001 2:12:47 PM #
Linear dimensions taken from manufacturers' websites.

Volume calculated by me.

Unit length width depth volume weight
----------------------------------------------
m550 4.5" 3.1" 0.4" 5.58 4.9 oz
IIIx 4.7" 3.2" 0.7" 10.53 6 oz
Clie 4.7" 2.8" 0.7" 9.21 5.6 oz
Prism 4.8" 3.0" 0.8" 11.52 6.9 oz
iPaq 5.1" 3.3" 0.6" 10.10 6.3 oz

The surprise winner for me here was actually the iPaq, which is really not that much bigger than a IIIxe.

Please note that the Clie is more than half again the volume of the m500- 165%, to be more accurate.

Some may consider the inferior screen quality of the 550 to be worth the sacrifice for the form factor; others may disagree.

But to insult either opinion is nothing but idiotic.

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
- Mahatma Gandhi

d r. a. c h a r l e s
barbados

Size is not SONY's Problem!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2001 7:32:23 PM #
Yes, Sony CLIE is bigger in size. That is because the current Dragonball VZ is not strong enough to play MP3. Sony decide to use another DSP to handle music first before the long waiting upgrade of Dragonball. Yes, you might have already guess right. The BIG size is because of the DSP chip. And here is a simple question: Which company doesn't want their product be as small as possible (in PDA)? Sony won't kill themselves, either.

RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2001 9:59:22 AM #
If that's true, then why are the 610 and 710 the same size but the 610 doesnt support mp3 audio. Smartguy.

RE: Screen Comparison of Palm m505 vs. Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2001 10:13:03 AM #
> If that's true, then why are the 610 and 710 the same size
> but the 610 doesnt support mp3 audio.

Because Sony didn't want to go to the huge expense of changing their entire handheld design. The idea was to save money by leaving out the DSP chip. If they went back to the drawing board and redesigned the whole device to make it a bit smaller they'd have had to pay the designers, make all new molds, etc. They would have had to pass these costs on to consumers. Also, cases and clip-on peripherals for the N710C might not have worked with the new N610C.

Why didn't Palm redesign the III series every time they come out with a new version? The internal were slightly different, they could have been different sizes. But Palm needed them to be consistent for the same reasons I've just listed.

So no matter what internal changes Sony makes, the eternal housing of the N series isn't gong to change in any material way.

Gray Scale on New Sony - 16 or 256 shades?

stupomer @ 5/9/2001 6:12:13 PM #
Gray Scale on New Sony - 16 or 256 shades?

Is it only going to be 4 bit (16 shades)?



RE: Gray Scale on New Sony - 16 or 256 shades?
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/9/2001 6:39:42 PM #
Maybe you could ask the guys at Red Mercury. They seem to know quite a bit about the Clie 710 hardware.

http://www.red-mercury.com

Let us know what you find.

envy

s2k @ 5/9/2001 9:56:04 PM #
this almost made me wish i waited... i have a visor platinum, and i'm becoming envious of the future clih owners. still, the platinum is a great speed demon w/4-bit greyscale

mono just be ok

Syney @ 5/10/2001 6:33:12 AM #
if i want a Hi-res Device I would choice POCKET PC.
palm is favor for its simple
but now we will make our palm more and more like POCKET PC. i don.t think it is a good idea.

Accesories for Sony Clie-N710C

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2001 8:27:21 PM #
From Sony's website, there are not a lot of accessories available there. There are the basic modem and travel kit and mainly Memory sticks at different sizes. I was wondering if there at least a folding keyboard available. That is a must for new PDAs, otherwise I feel more confident with all accessories available from third parties vendor for palm.

RE: Accesories for Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/13/2001 10:22:53 PM #
no my dear there are no accessories for the clie just as there were no accesories for the s300. It is rummored that they (sony will be comming out with some) by the end of the year maybe. If this happens, watch out for the price, you better bite your eyeball on this one. Reason why I changed to the m505. I am a previous owner of a s300.



RE: Accesories for Sony Clie-N710C
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/5/2001 3:22:29 PM #
Keyboard coming out at the end of June. That's a good start don't you think?

Toysoft Support for HandEra 330

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/30/2001 5:55:17 PM #
Toysoft Development Inc. has a number of titles that supports HandEra 330. You can find all the apps at
www.toysoft.ca

16 bit or high-resolution screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/17/2001 12:51:09 PM #
The SONY Clie high-resolution screen is really beautiful to look at and use (though it could be a bit brighter). I've heard a fair amount of discussion about whether or not it is or could become a 16-bit screen. What is the advantage of this? The Handspring Prism and Palm M505 screens are 16-bit but not high resolution. I guess they support more colors, but is this the only difference???

Thanks for any insight!
Rob at rgilber@dwrite.com

RE: 16 bit or high-resolution screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/5/2001 11:10:50 AM #
The original color Clie (710) has the same display hardware as the two newer Clies and is perfectly capable of 320x320x16. The 8-bit limit is imposed by PalmOS3.5, not the hardware. I don't know offhand whether the 710 uses flash rom, but if it does, there's no reason why it couldn't do 320x320x16 w/PalmOS 4. On the other hand, if the OS isn't upgradable, 710 owners are in the same boat as Visor Deluxe owners (with hardware that can do grayscale, but an OS that doesn't support it in a universe of new apps that ignore it as a result).

Palm JPG

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/10/2001 7:05:01 PM #
One program worthy of mentioning is Palm JPG, which enables you to view jpegs directly of a CF card with the TRGpro or Handera 330. Just take it out of your digital camera and pop it into the handheld. It even will display thumbnails for those jpegs files with such info in their headers.

It also supports the hi-res screen, as well as the screen rotation feature of the 330, so you can view it landscape or even upside-down!

Wow!

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/13/2001 5:44:26 PM #
All of ten apps have been released! Haven't seen many new apps that support 320x320. Matter of fact, I haven't seen any, except for those on this list. Sorry Clie users!

How to make a audio file for sony clie' N710C?

toc_tien @ 7/19/2001 10:23:47 AM #
Dear you!

I begin write for Palm and I have a little knowledge about it. So I have many problem to slove.
I want to make a sound program or a program which play file .mp3 or .wave, but I don't know how to begin.
A, I write for Sony Clie' N710C.
Can you give me the way to make it?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks for your reading
Please reply as soon as possible.

RE: How to make a audio file for sony clie' N710C?
mikecane @ 8/1/2001 10:50:15 AM #
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CLIE_Users_Group

If you join that Group, all of your questions can be answered just by reading the messages!

High resolution for more text, or just smoother text?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2001 10:42:37 AM #
I'm keen on the idea of higher resolution for PalmOS devices, but I'd love to have some clarification from those lucky enough to be able to play with one of them.

The applications that are being designed to work with the high-res screens - are they using the extra resolution to provide smoother letters (more pixels per letter), or can they provide more text on a page (pixels per letter stays the same).

As an analogy - when I change my PC screen resolution from 640x480 to 1280x960 (say), I get four times the screen space to play with, allowing a much better view of a page (for instance).

Personally, I'd love to have a palm device which was 320x320 and let me see 4 palms worth of information at once :)

Any feedback much appreciated

RE: High resolution for more text, or just smoother text?
mikecane @ 8/1/2001 10:48:09 AM #
It depends. WordSmith uses it to smooth fonts so it is like reading on paper. Whereas a DOC reader such as CRS-Me DOC provides a tiny tiny font so you can get a whole bunch of info on the screen.

Why not join the CLIE YahooGroup? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CLIE_Users_Group

RE: High resolution for more text, or just smoother text?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2001 12:12:05 PM #
Thanks for the feedback, Mike. I've not heard of "CRS-Me DOC", but I'll keep an eye out for that. As you may have guessed I'd prefer "more info" to "clearer". I guess it wont be long before higher screen res becomes more mainstream in the PalmOS.

Cheers

MP3 Player

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/11/2001 10:16:24 PM #
We want MP3 players for the Palm IIIc, does any company plans to make this accesory?

Clie T615 serial cable internet connection

namanan @ 10/31/2002 11:02:05 AM #
I am unable to connect clie T615 via serial cable to Windows XP Professional so that I can browse the web on my pda. I am using Mocha W32 PPP on windows xp.

Can somebody help me out with this? I would appreciate the help if anybody could guide me through the steps.
Thanks.

about screen rotation

bailey2499 @ 12/6/2002 3:34:10 AM #
do you guys know what program can rotate the screen of clie???

RE: about screen rotation
webbll @ 9/4/2003 9:09:03 AM #
Hi,
Sorry have no answer but am also interested to know the answer. I would like to use Docs to go in landscape view on my Clie NX73V. If you get a posative, please let me know and I will do likewise.


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