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Joel from PDA Geek has been sent pictures of the m125 and has now posted them online.

As was revealed here first, last week, the m125 will have a 33 MHz Dragonball VZ processor and 8 MB of RAM and non-upgradeable ROM. It will have an SD expansion slot and use Palm's Universal Connector. The m125 will cost $250 and should be available near August 24.

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Looks Cool

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 6:18:02 PM #
I like the design, I also like the 33mhz processor but the screen is still too small.

Its a piece

randomguy1900 @ 8/14/2001 6:21:34 PM #
The sony is a much beter unit..then this piece

Rob
RE: Its a piece
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 9:05:27 PM #
Clie 320 offers the same and more for only $199. Now any "sane" person would get the Sony.

RE: Its a piece
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 10:24:05 PM #
Except Mac users. Can't use the Sony but it is better.

RE: NT
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 10:28:52 PM #
There is an option for Mac users from Mark/Sapce. But any business user who is still on Windows NT is high and dry.

RE: Its a piece
rldunn @ 8/15/2001 12:48:06 PM #
Not if you get the serial cradle.

This is a Palm III with SD, 8MB, and a smaller screen.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 6:22:02 PM #
So this is where all of the R&D money is going???

RE: This is a Palm III with SD, 8MB, and a smaller screen.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 6:39:42 PM #
I agree with you, you would think that at least they can add a virtual soft graffiti area like the handera.

RE: This is a Palm III with SD, 8MB, and a smaller screen.
AriB @ 8/14/2001 10:59:43 PM #
no it's going into PalmOS 5

Just saw S320 last weekend...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 6:35:12 PM #
pretty amazed by the design, the screen and the weight. At $199, I think we already got a winner!!!

doctored photo

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 6:41:43 PM #
It's the same m125 picture shown three times. Pictures 2 and 3 just have pictures of the expansion card spliced in... spliced in BACKWARDS I might add.

RE: doctored photo
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 7:40:32 PM #
Actually, the expansion card is not backwards. That's the way it is supposed to be. The m50x is backwards.

Look at the SD spec (or WinCE machines, or the HandEra 330): the 50x is backwards, the 125 appears to be correct.


RE: doctored photo
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 11:22:18 PM #
Yeah, your right. Also, the Palm "m125" dosen't cast a shadow. The cards do. In a real photo, they both would cast a shadow.

Apparently you can't fool all of the people all of the time. But you can fool some of the people, again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again... and again...

RE: doctored photo
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 11:29:54 PM #
I think it has been doctored by Palm's marketing goons. They are going to need lots of pictures of the M125 for ads etc and this looks like what they'd make.

I think Palm InfoCenter is wrong and the M125 will be out on Monday.

RE: doctored photo
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 11:38:12 PM #
The m125 had better come out soon if they want back-to-school sales. They've already missed out on some.

this photo is soooooooooooo fake
uvdude @ 8/15/2001 4:49:54 AM #
just look at it

this is such an amateur job on faking a "new" palm

look closely at it and you'll see what im talking about

and another thing: if this palm keeps the design of the m100 series like it looks then the SD has no way of fitting in that position

RE: doctored photo
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 10:38:54 AM #
I've heard that the M125 won't be out for about another month or so.

The card *is* backward, duh
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 10:59:47 AM #
When you put a card in in the back of a Palm, the front of the card faces you. Here the front of the card is facing you when you are looking from the front. So it is backward in the picture. If anyone tries to put a card in this way it will get jammed and might even destroy the latching mechanism inside when you pry it back out again.

Thus I don't think it's a marketing photo from Palm. Probably a fan boy pasting cards into a photo they already had. At least I *hope* it's not direct from Palm, because if this is how they instruct people to use it they'll just have another lawsuit on their hands because of a bunch of broken expansion slots and cards.

Is there a back picture available on this unit?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 6:44:53 PM #
How in the world is the universal connector going to fit. The bottom of this new model is rounder than the m500 series.

RE: Is there a back picture available on this unit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 7:15:55 PM #
If this in fact the M125 (because the Photoshop job on the cards takes away some credence), it could still fit in the cradle. (1) We don't know what the back looks like. (2) Remember that the M50x does not fit flush in the cradle either. The Universal Connector itself holds the device in place, not the cradle.

RE: cradle
Cheetah @ 8/14/2001 9:40:28 PM #
The new cradle has always bothered me. Seems like the unit should be flush with the cradle. The first time I got my 505 I tried to force it down before I realized it was already in the cradle correctly.
RE: Is there a back picture available on this unit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 10:05:47 AM #
my 125 fits in my 505's cradle with no problem. they are actually shipping a 505 cradle with the 125 and simply not including the power adaptor.

RE: ipaq
twizza @ 8/14/2001 7:05:12 PM #
that is what i thought when i first looked at it. and personally that aint a bad thing in palm's case. that pic has also confirmed that this nay be my second pda. simply on the basis od sd/mmc. mem stick is nice. but i deal with mmc more than anything.

RE: ipaq
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 7:35:56 PM #
I like the dual color look. I think it looks better than all the other m10x models before. Still a little too pricey at 250 bucks..seeing how this cant be flashed upgraded and OS 5.0 comming out with in the next year or so..(who knows). Still the fact knowing that this will be a disposable unit once a newer upgrade to the OS comes out. Maybe at 150 bucks may be better and in the Student range. The SD slot is a nice touch on the side as well. Screen still feels too small too.

RE: ipaq
Cheetah @ 8/14/2001 9:42:12 PM #
Looks like an iPaq alittle, except for the fact that it's only half the size and weight, and INCLUDES an expansion slot built in.

Comments on the m125...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 8:12:36 PM #
Thumbs up...
- nice design, it looks great!
- small and compact, looks durable.
- expandability is a plus

Thumbs down...
- these introductory palms should be priced between $150-$200. To pricy for these lower end model. I could buy Vx for less...
- please do not make anymore monochrome without high resolution screen...

Palm Developers, if you're listening, please all screens should be high resolutions. I refuse to by anymore PDA's without high resolutions, color or monochrome. I own m505 and I am satisfied with the screen, but I am envious of Clie's screen. IMHO!

Sam ;)


RE: Comments on the m125...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 8:23:12 PM #
Oops... "buy" instead of "by"... ;)

i dont find it cool.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 8:19:40 PM #

it seems to have the same design like m100 and
has 2 colors like silver and black. i think it
s better to have only one color. silver would
be better. coz its trend over the world for
electronical gadget to have silver color.

2 colors makes me think of m125 as only for
a jogger or something, not for people with
former suite. it doesnt really match well.

Seong-uk Kim


Where's the backlash?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 8:47:36 PM #
OK, you people baffle me...

When Handera came out with the 330, in SILVER, with a MONOCHROME screen, people all over this site slammed them mercilessly.

This unit is primarily SILVER, has a MONOCHROME screen (and a smaller one at that), and doesn't offer nearly the enhancements that the 330 does. It may be smaller, but it's also heavier.

It's a piece of junk. Why hasn't anyone else said so?

RE: Where's the backlash?
JeepBastard @ 8/14/2001 9:16:29 PM #
its a step backward....

drab screen. small screen. waste of space for home buttons (this is precious screen real estate)

No wireless. No proof of SD usage. (which i perfer to the memory stick, but how will people have a standard? SD? mem stick? Springboard?)

It's not a pretty site. Palm goes under.

[http://www.mediathreat.net]

RE: Where's the backlash?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 9:29:41 PM #
The backlash against the HandEra was based on two things.

First, it was supposed to be a flagship product, so monochrome, big, non-rechargable batteries, etc. are not acceptable. The m125 is a midrange product.


Second, The m125 is a nice looking design. The nicest thing that can be said for the HandEra is that it is unique. To be more honest, the HandEra is the ugliest PDA that I have ever seen. A lot of designs look better as they become more familiar. The HandEra looks worse every time that I see it.

RE: Where's the backlash?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 1:39:38 AM #
The answer is simple...

Most of the Palm enthusiast became so numb wth the disappointment of the m500 and m505, that this lastest Palm offering could not stimulate any response.

Kinda mean, and it's kinda sad, but just look at the amount of excitement and anticapation this latest Palm model offering generated as compared to the excitement of past models.

RE: Where's the backlash?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 9:08:33 AM #
Will all you Sony goons finally be quiet after sales numbers for June or July come out and Palm is still the best seller? Sony makes a good PDA but they haven't marketeted it will, if at all. I asked about the CLIE at my local Circuit City and they showed me the 300 they still had on their shelves. I thought those had all been sent back. No one had heard of the 710 or 610. They had several m505s and said they were selling good.

Sony fans?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 9:45:35 AM #
Well said. Sony fans, have you looked at your advertisements? They are really ugly! The one with the music playing feature emphasised make the screen look like it has 4 colors! The only other add says that you should buy a Clie to watch movies on airplane flights...... Right...... Even the m505 wouldn't sell as well as it has with those ads. Sorry Clie users, even with the innovative features, nobody's buying them except for the 10 or so cult users we have here starting flame wars. Until you have better sales, it's hard to bash the m125, (which will outsell the Clie S320 at least 5 to 1, if not more).

Palm will announce very poor quarterly sales in a few weeks
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2001 12:14:21 AM #
You obviously don't have access to the latest PDA sales figures. When the numbers are formally released in a few weeks, the bell will toll for Palm.

Sony's new PDAs are flying off the shelves and show no signs of slowing down. Palm, on the other hand has released a series of poorly-regarded models that simply rehash old designs and sell for bloated prices.

RE: Where's the backlash? DREAM ON
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2001 12:17:55 AM #
There will be little backlash for a few reasons:

- The m125 is actually a fairly nicely styled PDA. Those of us who have used it feel it will do well. It could have become a massive hit if the Clie S320 wasn't around. Palm needs to drop the price to match the Clie.

- The Handera 330 has an ugly case. You might like it, but most people don't. And most people don't want to carry a PDA that they think looks ugly - "coolness" is still a major factor in the choice of handhelds. (Makes me wonder why Handera didn't just stick with a conservative black case. Shouldn't have listered to Jimmy, the intern's suggestion that they "jazz up" their image.)

- The m125 is a lower-end model. Expectations aren't unrealistic.

- The Handera 330 is targeted mainly at professionals and power users, who tend to dislike gaudy designs.



M125

tritan @ 8/14/2001 9:21:02 PM #
Will there be face plates to change with this unit?

RE: M125
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 1:45:07 AM #
i think it can use the M100's faceplates. just a guess.

Ed?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 10:18:07 PM #
Ed or Ryan, what happened? Are you there?

RE: Ed?
phs @ 8/14/2001 10:33:38 PM #
gosh darn police line you better not cross

RE: Ed?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2001 10:43:36 PM #
Could you tell me what is going on PLZ OK THX BYE

Palm needs to try harder.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 1:15:32 AM #
more of the same
a yawner
old wine in new bottle
where is the meat

m700
Sir WC @ 8/15/2001 1:57:19 AM #
Were you intending to write a Haiku? If not, you came close by chance.

The good stuff is coming this fall: the M700

RE: Palm needs to try harder.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 9:27:44 AM #
It will not be called the m700, it will be called the i700. Trust me on this one, the NDAs are in place.

Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 1:12:58 AM #
With all the potential SD modules that are suppose to be coming out, the m125 is going to look ridiculous with a module sticking out sideways.

Another problem...an SD module sticking out sideways is going to make the m125 hard to hold too.

So in summary...

the m125
1. $250
2. OS 4.0
3. monochrome
4. 120x120 resolution
5. 8mbs
6. looks like an less expensive model...the m100/105
7. SD slot o the side...
8. "universal" adaptor

the Sony S320
1. $199
2. OS 4.0
3. monochrome
4. 120x120 resolution
5. 8mbs
6. looked like the more expensive model...the N710/N610
7. memory stick slot on the top like the other models
8. already has the "universal" adaptor...all the Clie models share the same hot snych. connector.

So...why the hell would someone pay $250 for the m125 while they can get an equivalent (IMHO better) unit the Sony S320 for $199?

Maybe Palm put too much money into R&D, and not enough in the marketing...

oh wait ... looking at the m125 again brings up the question "What R&D?!?!"

(Oh by the way a previous post mentioned the Sony's lacked windows NT support...not true... you can still order the old Clie S300's serial cradle and the newer Clie's can hot synch serially in windows NT.)



RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 1:48:44 AM #
Another thing... where does this leave the m500? Are they still making the m500?

RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 1:48:50 AM #
it must be one of those "Palm economy" stuff. $250 is more attractive number than than $199. Or maybe one of those "Zen" idea, simple plastic sure looks better than those shiny metallic Clie. (You gonna hurt your eyes with that much glitter.)

RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 1:48:58 AM #
God knows the m125 isn't perfect but it has some advantages over the S320. Its smaller. I think it will do well with the backback set. It has been designed to ride around all day crammed in with 15 kg of books and maybe even be dropped. It can survive the sort of treatment that would finish the S320 off.

Looks are in the eye of the beholder. I have yet to see a PDA made by anyone that I really liked the looks of. This is no worse than the rest of the lot.

RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
EdwardGreen @ 8/15/2001 6:31:09 AM #
Hmmm I imagine the card will slot in ...

PalmOS res is 160x160.

And the Clie has the full version of OS 4 with Web Clipping - i.e like having AvantoGo online web browsing ability built into the OS.

-
kHiTeDev

RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 8:26:14 AM #
The m125 will be smaller than the CLIE 320? I have a 300 myself, and I feel in terms of size it's a bit smaller than the m100 series.

RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 9:50:30 AM #
Clie series?

the Sony S320
3. monochrome

4. 160x160 res

5. 8mb - but has small flash memory

6. looked like the more expensive model...the N710/N610 - Oh good, so people think you have a cool palm, and then when you turn it on, people think you're a moron for not getting it. Why do you think the identical looking m500 doesn't sell nearly as well as the m505?

7. memory stick slot on the top like the other models - Would you really want memory stick compatibility? It's a personal choice, but Palm's standard (and therefore the industy standard) goes with SD.


8. already has the "universal" adaptor...all the Clie models share the same hot snych. connector. - So do all the handspring, as well as all the Handeras. They are not universal connectors, however. The Palm's is universal because it's number 1 in sales. The Clie's is not universal because it's number 4 in units sales, behind Handera.

Clie S320? NC710/610's ugly cousing nobody likes.

RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
bcombee @ 8/15/2001 1:39:28 PM #
Actually, the connectors on the Handspring Visors aren't all the same. The Visor/Deluxe/Platinum have one design. The Prism has a variation with a different back. The Edge has something totally different again.

vs S320
bradhaak @ 8/15/2001 2:48:32 PM #
Actually, the Sony offers less for less ;)

If you look at the S320 vs hypothetical Palm m125, the Sony doesn't offer any Mac compatibility. This is marginally important to me and adds $20. Also, there is no cradle, just a USB cable. If I need a cradle, that adds about $50. Oh, yeah, there is no compatibility for people running NT4, or non-USB computers without buying a cradle either.

Basically, if you can use the S320 as shipped, it is a great deal. If you need it equipped the same as the Palm, it will cost at least as much.



RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 5:32:45 PM #
But lets look at the flaws of the Clie 320, shall we?

Gripping the unit tightly or even slightly flexing it causes the bottom of the screen to turn black and sometimes activates phantom clicks on the digitizer. AFAIK, this is the only palm that exhibits LCD pixel bleeding with semi-normal use.

Also, the spacer dots on the digitizer are VERY visible, much more so than on any other unit I've seen. They tend to reflect light quite well, and get very annoying. On the m10x handhelds, I can only
see the spacer dots if I really try hard, get just the right angle, and have lots of luck. Most of the time I can't even see them when I look for them.

RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
rldunn @ 8/15/2001 6:17:12 PM #
I hate to continue the Sony/Palm war, but I can't let idotic allegations slide by. Plus, at least I'm a registered user, not Mr. Anonymous.

You're crazy about gripping it tight and flexing causing being semi-normal use and causing pixel bleeding. First, I don't know how flexing could be considered any kind of normal use, but both limited flexing and squeezing cause no problems with the screen on my S320. However, I own mine, so maybe you took some liberties with a floor model. However, even if you had, there's no way to classify anything extreme as "semi-normal" use.

As for the digitizer spacer dots, you must have better eyes than I and have the Clie an inch or less from your face to notice anything. In normal use, you see nothing.

Both the Sony and Palm models have their good and bad points, but let's not get ridiculous in the comparisons. It's really too bad we can't get rid of the anonymous posting in this site. The only thing I can think of that we'd miss are the company leaks, which I admit are pretty important. Maybe we could have a special board set aside for those, and require registration for all other articles.

RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 6:33:26 PM #
you have a point. although i have access to early company info, i wouldn't dare post it where everybody knows it's me doing the leaks.

also, requiring reg for posts wouldn't have much of an effect on rumor leaks, it would just cut down the people reading the site. most people do the leaks in e-mails, so that wouldnt change

The Sony bashers are getting desperate...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2001 1:08:14 AM #
> Why do you think the identical looking m500 doesn't sell nearly as well as the m505?

BECAUSE IT COSTS ONLY $50 LESS THAN THE COLOR M505. AND IT COSTS ABOUT $200 MORE THAN IT SHOULD.


> The Clie's is not universal because it's number 4 in units sales, behind Handera.

LATEST SALES FIGURES:
1) Palm
2) Sony
3) Handspring

4) A distant 4th - Handera

I PITY YOUR PARENTS...


RE: Why did Palm put the SD slot on the side?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2001 7:49:22 AM #
I was in Best Buy checking out the CLIE 610 yesterday. It's funny to compare what I saw to listening to the Sony drone(s) here. To people shopping in the PDA section, Palm is Palm only, or maybe Palm and Handspring. Nobody even looked at the Sonys. If they did, what would they see? Sony doesn't follow Palm's expansion standard or their HotSync connector standard. On the high-end models, the app icons look blocky and the fonts and other lines are too thin. There's a whole case of add-ons for Palm and and also for Handspring while none for Sony. The average consumer doesn't even know Sony exists in the Palm market. Sony has miles to go before it will be at the level of Palm or Handspring. You need to stop deluding yourself about how well Sony is doing just because you have a few Sony friends on the Internet. The real world is different, and the only place Sony is selling well is Japan.

m105b, not m125.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 1:53:46 AM #
that's what this model suppose to be called.

Or maybe this has something to do with anticipated future mba/supermodel branded m127. You know it will come with cutting edge feature like nail color tips, astrology, hoop score keeper and electro green color.

What's MyPalm

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 3:24:15 AM #
I've never heard of this app. Is it a Palm.net thing?

RE: What's MyPalm
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 10:08:25 AM #
yep. the new direction of the palm.net world. no more need to keep the PQA on the device, nice for updating PQAs (by certain companies that is).

Can anyone say Platinum?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 4:57:21 AM #
33mhz, 8mb ram, non flash rom, monochrome? sounds like a Handspring platinum to me, oops no, its got SD instead of springboard and its smaller (including screen) and rounder. plus new OS. plus face plates. plus at least a year later.

Palm is out of their minds

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 7:09:14 AM #
I think this goes for everyone when I say... desperate times call for desperate measures. Palm is in a slump right now, their new high range models the m500 and m505 aren't doing so hot. R&D actually might mean they're desperately trying to think of a product that will help boost their sales a bit. Unfortunately this won't cut it. They must be aware of Sony S230, as they must be aware of Compaq's Ipaq 3135. They probably freaked. This is probably their last chance. I say in a few months Palm will be history, this goes for Handspring as well.. unless they come up with some Pocket PCS. Slowly but surely, PocketPCs are starting to take over, and hey.. if you don't like WinCE... theres always the emulator. So choose. Ipaq 3135 with 16 MB ram, MP3 playback capability, CF sleeve, sleek design, or m125 with 8mb, sd slot expansion, no mp3 playback? Haha. I think the answer is apparent. Palm is finished. And you dingbats who are still jibber jabbering over palm, STOP IT. Your argueing over a lost cause. This is NONSENSE! Wait until the new PocketPCs come out, they will blow palm away.

RE: Palm is out of their minds
Bippy @ 8/15/2001 9:05:12 AM #
Ha ha. Thanks, I always like to start the day off with a laugh and you sure gave me one.

RE: You don't speak for everybody...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 9:18:37 AM #
You suffer from penis envy, don't you?

The truth about Palm, Inc.
Moosecat @ 8/15/2001 9:27:00 AM #
There are 26 analyst recommendations available right now on Palm Inc. Analysts are professionals who work for big, prestigious, incredibly wealthy investment banks, who specialize monitoring stocks and making recommendations in specific industry sectors. Their careers depend on accurately predicting the fate of companies in their sector.

5 have rated Palm a "Strong Buy"
2 have rated Palm a "Buy"
19 have rated Palm a "Hold"
0 have rated Palm a "Sell"
0 have rated Palm a "Strong Sell"

While this distribution of recommendations is not a ringing endorsement of Palm for all time, it is pretty strong evidence that it isn't yet time to drop the liferafts. It's amazing to me that people on PIC and similar sites believe they can opine about market-wide forces and the extremely complex microeconomics of corporations because they've seen the Clie and it's pretty thin (or because they're just SURE that a device with MP3 capability is a Palm-killer). Give me a break.

RE: Palm is out of their minds
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 9:37:57 AM #
Why not add some more revelaing info to your argument.

Palm stock's 52 week high: $67.37, current price: $4.39.

That is where the truth lies. No one is buying the stock or the price would be much higher than $4.39.

Also, what broker in their right mind would tell their clients to drop the Palm stock that they recommended when it was $30 to $40 per share? That is why they are saying hold on to it. Desperation.

Call me a fool, but Palm has lost its edge and they are in serious trouble. I am glad that my stock broker wasn't caught up in the Palm IPO mania when many thought it was a sure thing.



RE: Palm is out of their minds
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 9:56:06 AM #
I work for an investment bank, and so you aren't kidding yourself, stock recommendations are consistently bullish, and a hold opinion on a stock is not actually a good thing. If you look at random stocks, you will be hard pressed to find any that have more than 5% of analysts covering the stocks with a rating below "Hold". Does this mean every stock should be held? Of course not. Analysts are always overly optimistic to keep good relationships with companies. Is palm a buy? Maybe. I'm waiting for that long awaited Motorola Palm Phone (for GSM networks) that should be on its way. my 2 cents

RE: Palm is out of their minds
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 9:56:12 AM #
Why did this turn into Palm bashing, when the topic starter was talking about Pocket PC's? I really don't understand why Clie users look forward to Palm's "inevitable" destruction with glee. Hello! End of Palm = End of Clie/Handspring/Handera. If you think Palm's death helps you somehow.......
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

RE: Palm is out of their minds
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 10:36:36 AM #
I have always enjoyed this line of reasoning, regardless of the argument. Whenever someone either is over their heads or they can't build a case for the point they are presenting, they bring out the "you are an idiot" card.

For your information, I have used my souped up Palm IIIx for a few years now and I i think I would not be as organized without it. But, I have not yet seen a Palm PDA product during the last year or one even rumored on the horizon that will replace my IIIx. I think most of what I have seen is actually a step or two backwards from what I'm using now. How can this be progress?

Another thing I think Palm needs to keep in mind is that not many people can throw around $200 to $300 on a new PDA every year or so. I bought my PDA in hopes that I can get at least 5 years out of it. If I get more great. I'm in the PDA market for efficency in my time and money and the few bell and whistle additions to Palm's newer units do not cut it with my wallet.

I want Palm to be successful because I love their product -- the product that I originally purchased. But the products that I have seen them release lately have left me scratching my head in wonder. Does anyone actually see Palm still around in 30 to 40 years?

RE: Palm stock price as indicator?
Cheetah @ 8/15/2001 11:17:17 AM #
Gosh, Cisco, Intel and many other tech stocks have dropped dramatically in the last year.

Palm has pretty good company.

Also the actual price is not important, it's the P/E ratio, gross margin, profitability, etc.

m125 v. m500

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 10:25:21 AM #
Other than the style and the non-upgradeable ROM. There appears to be no difference. I'm not sure that the difference is worth an extra $200 for the m500?

RE: m125 v. m500
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 11:05:39 AM #
it's brilliant, isn't it? They must know something that we don't know about the value of money.

RE: m125 v. m500
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 11:28:25 AM #
I expect the m500 to go away in a few months, along with the Edge. Both taught us that no one will buy a hi priced B and W PDA. It seems obvious now but they didn't know for sure until these products came out.

RE: m125 v. m500
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/15/2001 1:01:14 PM #
i'm not so sure this is the end of the palm m500. if you'll remember, the palm Vx was just a sleeker looking IIIxe with a rechargeable battery, and it was palm's biggest seller. a lot of people buy these things on looks alone, and a lot of people don't need color.
the m500 was designed to be a direct replacement for the V line, and it is. It's just that palm overestimated current V users' desire to upgrade to such a similar model. I have a feeling that a lot of people are still holding onto their V's, thinking "why would i go spend another $400 for a vibrating alarm and an SD slot?" while palm hoped they'd say: "ooh, my Vx is getting a little old. this one has a vibrating alarm and an SD slot!"
the m125 is supposed to replace the IIIxe in the same manner. I don't think it'll work. the IIIxe was the workhorse of the palm line last year, and i can't imagine IIIxe users liking the smaller screen and nasty shape of the m125. Plus, i think most of them will want to hold onto their IIIxes, or move up to something with color. just having expansion capability doesn't make this thing a worthwhile upgrade. But it may bring in new business, and there's a good chance m100 owners who want more memory and like the idea of expansion will want this, and will pass up the m105, despite the hefty price tag.

RE: m125 v. m500
twizza @ 8/15/2001 1:36:42 PM #
though i agree that this is most probably made for those that are new to the palm world. i do see some IIIxe users taking the trade off of the smaller screen for sd expansion. y. probably to them the clearer screen offsets the fact that there is a smaller screen. i am one who is considering moving to teh m125 for the simple reason that the m500 is out of my budget. if the m500 was 300 and this was 190-200 then i would have no prb choosing the m500.

Service and Support

GrouchoMarx @ 8/15/2001 11:19:42 AM #
Palm has fair to good support, generally. Sony's support is a the subject of constant ridicule, from Sony supporters and CLIE users no less.

Is a reputation for good service after the sale worth an extra $50?

--GrouchoMarx

Confirmation

Ed @ 8/15/2001 7:37:50 PM #
Steve-O, the original source for the leaked m125 info, has confirmed that this is definitely a picture of the m125.

---
News Editor

Palm v. Sony -- My Prob w/ Clie

Moosecat @ 8/16/2001 8:59:36 AM #
I don't participate in the Palm v. Sony debate. I'll (un)happily admit that I bought an m505 as soon as it came out and then wondered about my decision as I drooled over the n710. The n710 has an extremely good screen -- far better than the screen on my device -- and several other cool features.

But you know, once I saw the n710 in a store and played with it a bit, my drooling subsided a bit. On the upside, I loved the screen and the jog-dial. On the downside, I thought the clie felt like a piece of crap. The buttons are inordinately close together -- the up/down arrows are so small and oddly shaped that I feel like I have to examine the unit in order to press them accurately. The plasticky-chrome thing has to go too.

Do I still want an n710? Yes. Is my drooling over it still uncontrollable? Not really. People always talk about size and shape in the form factor debates, but not so much about the feel of the controls and the device's build. Those matter (almost) as much as size and shape.



PREORDER!

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/20/2001 12:51:50 AM #
Do you think if I preordered one Palm would value my repeat business or just @*$% me like they did with the 505?

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