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Almost lost in yesterday's hubbub over the T600C was Sony's announcement of a GPS Memory Stick module. In order to save space it has a folding antenna. It will work with the new T series and the N series, not the S series. The PEGA-MSG1 will be available in Japan on December 8 for 20,000 Yen, or $165. According to a Sony spokesperson, the company isn't willing to say when or even if this module will be available in the U.S.
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GPS + MS?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 11:46:28 AM #
Now, is this like the camera where you can't use both the gps and the memory stick at the same time? Where will you put maps then?

Any info if it's NMEA compliant?

RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 12:05:33 PM #
notta problem with the 330

RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 12:55:12 PM #
Yes it is the 330 doesn't use a memory stick.

RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 1:55:43 PM #
Leave it to one of the three people who actually own a Handera 330 to make a snide remark about Sony.

RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 3:25:23 PM #
LoL, saying the 330 doesn't use a memory stick is not a put-down to Sony or its users, it's a simple fact. Geez the trolls on these boards have warped peoples' perceptions.

And from what I've heard there are around 35,000 330 users, (another simple fact, don't freak out).



RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 3:30:38 PM #
/nods, lots-o-330 users from the SanFran area. I use the Transplant GPS (CF) with my 330. Used it for an hour the other day and it barely made a dent in my Li-Ion battery. Great maps too with the high-res. Mapopolis.


RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 3:43:20 PM #
Where you buy this Transplant GPS?

RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 3:46:10 PM #
Just go to:

http://www.transplantcomputing.com/

Talk to Steve Emery, very cool guy.



Will the three HandEra 330 trolls ever go away?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 3:10:42 AM #
It is becoming tiresome reading post after post from these HandEra losers trying to convince everyone that we should care about the HandEra. Please just accept the fact that most people don't like the 330 and don't want to read any more of your posts trying to make it appear as if this is a popular PDA.

35,000 330s sold? I don't think so. Perhaps if you include the thousands of defective models that have been returned and all of the 330s being dumped by Sam's Club for less than $200, you might end up with a number approximately half that size. Please stop posting this nonsense.

RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 7:11:53 AM #
Amen, Brother!!!!

RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 9:56:38 AM #
I'm just glad my M505 doesn't have the problems that Sony and HandEra users have, has worked perfectly since I got it!

RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 11:47:23 AM #
Ok, well you buy your little GPS stick here that will suck the life outta your batteries in less than an hour, I'll stick with my POS handera. Its been a terrible device, on my 14th replacement, but I like the ugly case. I actually wish I woulda bought a REX! They rock, my friend has had one and its the best handheld I've seen as far as reliability!

RE: GPS + MS?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 11:54:42 AM #
Didn't I tell you to go away???

You people are pests. Leave the Sony forums to us, our units are better and so are we. Shoo Fly!

Fantastic!

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 11:47:35 AM #
I'm going to Japan tomorrow. Hope it's available!

RE: Fantastic!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 11:53:30 AM #
I hope you can stay until Dec 8 since it wont be released til then.

Why not the S-Series???

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 11:47:08 AM #
Any particular reason why this and other MS devices (camera) don't/won't work with the S320? I know it's cheap and maybe the thought is that people who buy it aren't interested in accessories, but is there a real physical/internal reason why it won't work with the S-series?

RE: Why not the S-Series???
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 12:59:06 PM #
Maybe there is software built into whatever memory that the MS GPS unit contains. If the program only supports the high res displays it wouldn't work on the low res S series models...

RE: Why not the S-Series???
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 1:06:42 PM #
Because Sony will only support whatever users it feels like. This probably means they're already done supporting the S series. Of course, those looking for an OS upgrade should have already figured that one out.

If your model is past in their opinion (which could only be a few months old), they'll leave you hanging. I can't imagine why anyone would buy a PDA from Sony no matter what the feature set is. They are not a PDA company, they are a consumer electronics company. If you don't like it, throw it out and buy a new one is their philosophy.

RE: Why not the S-Series???
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 4:13:48 PM #
I see. Sony has been throwing out new handhelds (with very little differences between them) and making the older versions obsolete in a matter of months...that's great. Suddenly I don't feel so bad about the handheld company I buy from taking their time on development and also supporting their other handhelds.

RE: Why not the S-Series???
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 5:40:50 PM #
Only one reply actually addresses the original question of whether or not there's any technical problem with making the GPS work on the 320. And all of you guys bashing Sony for obsoleting their products neglected to answer the question of why Sony's Mylo wireless service is available ONLY for the "unsupported" S320 and none of the other Clies.

There are probably only 1 or 2 people posting these trolls
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 3:29:34 AM #
ever notice how the anti-Sony trolls messages sound so similar. Probably because most of them are made by the same person. Like how the troll above probably replied to their own post with the phony post:

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[RE: Why not the S-Series???
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 4:13:48 PM

I see. Sony has been throwing out new handhelds (with very little differences between them) and making the older versions obsolete in a matter of months...that's great. Suddenly I don't feel so bad about the handheld company I buy from taking their time on development and also supporting their other handhelds.]

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It would be nice to see the trolls leave us alone and spend their time at the site below instead:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CLIE_Complaining_Club

RE: Why not the S-Series??? - Original Poster
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 9:32:52 AM #
I was the original poster for this thread, wanting a serious answer to a serious question since I just dropped $250 for two S320's on Dell's website. Although I got a good price on the two and I ain't gonna return 'em, I wished the camera stick worked (or could be made to work) with the S320, which may have been a great way to add quick pics to the address book. Thanks IMA 12:59:06 for attempting to answer my question.

In the past, PIC was a good place to get quick info. Unfortunately a lot of other posters are doing their best to make this site the new PalmStation, with the anti and pro-Clie groups leading the charge.

RE: Why not the S-Series???
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 11:00:26 AM #
To the original poster,
IMA 12:59:06 is correct. I recently saw the camera module at COMDEX, and the Sony rep told me that it doesn't work with the S320 units because of they do not support high res.

Hope this helps.

RE: Why not the S-Series???
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 11:05:37 AM #
Call me a troll if you like, but I'll stand by my statement that this means Sony is done supporting the S-series. I certainly did not "reply to [my] own post".

Sorry Original Poster, but I'm not sure what you expect. Someone had already replied to your post and said it was a software issue, and I agree. Either Sony's map software doesn't work on the S-series or the driver doesn't work on the S-series. In either case, it sounds like Sony isn't willing to make it compatible for the S-series. In my opinion, that means they aren't supporting the S-series. I suppose there is some remote possibility that the S-series MS hardware can't handle certain types of IO cards, but I find that hard to believe. It is also possible that the S-series can't provide enough power to run the GPS. If it is a hardware thing, that is poor product planning on Sony's part. I've looked at the S320 and certainly expected it to be compatible with these types of MS devices. I also didn't buy one, because this is exactly how I figrued Sony would handle things.

This might not be available outside of Japan anyhow, so don't get so wound up about it. These forums are for discussing news, not technical support forums.

RE: Why not the S-Series??? - OP
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 12:36:49 PM #
Thanks for the answers/thoughts. Unfortunately the Dell deal expired Monday. Looks like I shoulda skipped going cheap and got the 610, but the wife wanted a new PDA to replace her P-III so I had to split the deal with her. No biggie given the good price/value, but hopefully other mfg are able/will make modules compatible with ALL Clies. Peace.

Where are the Palm SD/MMC accessories?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 11:56:32 AM #
SD/MMC are supposed to be standards right?

RE: Where are the Palm SD/MMC accessories?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 12:01:42 PM #
Well, I think the difference is, Palm lets other companies develop accessories for them. Sony in the other hand, creates accessories to support their products.

RE: Where are the Palm SD/MMC accessories?
Ed @ 11/20/2001 12:06:39 PM #
The SD Input/Output standard was finally approved by the SD Association just a few weeks ago. Until this happened, no SDIO devices could be released. That's why Palm's Bluetooth SD module had to be delayed.

www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2572

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News Editor

RE: Where are the Palm SD/MMC accessories?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 1:49:46 AM #
Actually no, Sony do make memory stick products, but many other comapnies also make memory stick products, go search on the net, you'll be surprise.. I think Philips got a SD/MS adapter, so probably clie will be able to use all SD stuff as soon as they are released...

talk about expendability ....

looks fragile to me

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 12:00:21 PM #
I'd be afraid of breaking it off. It sticks out awfully far (even folded down) for the very narrow and thin memory stick profile. I'd feel better about it if it had a clip type connector that attached to the MS slot and the back of the unit.

RE: looks fragile to me
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 6:16:30 PM #
Also, what about the integrity of the slots. What if these devices get bumped or pulled out. Is the slot toast? This goes double for SD.

RE: looks fragile to me
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 10:25:40 PM #
The Springboard module is looking better and better everyday. Thin come at a price. thin and expandability don't work well together unless the unit use a form os sled.

RE: looks fragile to me
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 1:47:41 AM #
Yeah Thin comes at a price, have you seen a memory stick yet ??

AM/FM Raido memory stick

BlackMax @ 11/20/2001 12:16:49 PM #
If someone at Sony see this message, I suggest you manufacturer and AM/FM Radio stick for Clies, with downloadable tuner software.

I'd like to have one and I bet a bunch of other owners would like one also.

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RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 12:51:08 PM #
What would be the benefit of an AM/FM radio stick as opposed to an AM/FM radio? Use your Clie as a tuner? You can get an AM/FM radio with a tuner for $20. If anyone from Sony is reading this, don't do it. It's a lame idea.

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 1:18:23 PM #
What would be the benefit of a Clie PDA as opposed to a notebook? Use your Clie as an organizer? You can get an notebook with a pen for $3. If anyone from Sony is reading this, don't do it. It's a lame idea.


RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 2:22:02 PM #
Not a lame idea. I would buy one in a minute. Maybe even an XM Stick? That would be better than MP3!

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 2:24:54 PM #
By the way, XM is the new satellite radio. Some stations are commercial free and there are news stations as well. Its coast to coast!

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 2:28:34 PM #
Update - I did not know this when I posted previously but Sony already sells portable XM radios. It could be in the works!

http://www.xmradio.com/servlet/buyers_guide/bg?cat=Tuner&attr=Portable



RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 3:00:16 PM #
Again, why do you need a PDA to operate a radio? It sounds to me like this device would be an expensive radio with an antenna and headphone jack except that you need to hook it up to a PDA to make it work. Tell me this, how much would you pay for it? $25? Why would anyone make a memory stick device to sell for that much?

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 3:04:58 PM #
I am on the XM subject now. If (big IF) Sony made a XM Memory Stick, it would be expensive, much more than $25.00, and would require a subscription fee.

Why install an MP3 player in a PDA? They did.

Why not install XM Satellite radio? Hopefully..

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 3:08:32 PM #
Sony's direction is to connect their devices using their FEEL technology. It might not be necessary for an AM/FM memory sick since your Clie can connect to a nearby stereo anyway. :) XM is not a bad idea too.

I think sooner or later you can access anything in your area, access an mp3 from a nearby computer or car, watch video, transfer files, order from a nearby fastfood, etc., all from a sony device :)

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 3:09:33 PM #
"Again, why do you need a PDA to operate a radio? It sounds to me like this device would be an expensive radio with an antenna and headphone jack except that you need to hook it up to a PDA to make it work."

Do you have a clue what you are talking about? We are talking about a "XM" memory stick antenna, software to process the info and move sound to the headphone jack that is already on the N700 series. What the hell are you talking about?


RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 4:18:29 PM #
I'm talking about what the subject header of your post refers to "AM/FM Radio memory stick"

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 4:27:21 PM #
The concept is the same. Expain to us what you mean. Its not difficult to understand - Memory Stick antenna, software to decode the signals, processor that forwards the audio to the headphones, all of which the Clie is capable of out of the box. What additional equipment are you talking about? We are talking about adding a function to the Clie that allows it to receive AM/FM/XM signals so that we DONT have to carry an additional radio, dumba**.

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
BlackMax @ 11/20/2001 5:40:38 PM #
Interesting comments since I posted the orginal message.

I don't want to carry another device if I can have radio functionality on a memory stick. I carry MP3 on one stick which means I'm carrying headphones already.

Yes, to be able to listen to late breaking news on my Clie still sounds like a good idea; no bulk; and I would pay $25 for it.



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RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 5:44:46 PM #
All right let's all be nice. A MS radio, XM or otherwise, can draw power from the Clie and make use of the existing headphone jack. Thus you don't have to carry around another device, either with batteries or fuss with recharging, and switch your headphones from Clie to radio and vice versa, or worry about forgetting to bring one or the other.

It's the same with ANY expansion device. Why would you want a GPS memstick instead of a standalone? An MP3 player? Camera? The Visor massage unit?

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 9:03:53 PM #
That was exactly my point. I was just trying to figure out what bonehead was talking about. LOL

RE: AM/FM Raido memory stick
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 9:00:32 PM #
I agree with that. I would like it.


Suggestion

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 12:33:43 PM #
Sony is really movin'!

I'd like to see this type of accessory designed to fit a bit better with the form factor, assuming most of the clies have a similar curve to the top (I dont know). I'm thinking like an omnisky modem but on top.

Otherwise, I sure love what Sony is doing with the platform. IMHO comments suggesting Palms demise in some way or another are becoming more relevant by the week . . . . (not the platform: the company)

RE: Suggestion
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 12:43:08 PM #
What I would really like to know is how many people are actually working on the products software and hardware at Palm and how many at Sony (for the Clie division)??

I would guess it must be at least 5 to 1 for Sony. Even their software division seems more active than the one at Palm. Clie Paint, movie Player, MS being seen as another HD etc... are only a few of their developements in the recents months.


By the way, I currently own a M505, and it's probably gonna be my last Palm product.

Solo



RE: Suggestion
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 1:59:12 PM #
Palm is damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they announce their future product intentions, people will hold off buying the m505 until the new ones come out. If they don't announce their new product intentions, people accuse them of not innovating enough. It's a lose-lose situation for them.

RE: Suggestion
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 8:41:34 PM #
Palm just takes too long to do anything. They give OS4.1 to Sony, but hold it off and now don't make it available to M50x users.

They buy their screens from Sony, but use a lower Res screen. I like Palm, on my second unit a M505. BUT, the screens sucks compared to the CLIE. I use my PDA for a PDA, but I want the multimedia aspects of the CLIE.

In other words, Palm needs to be a real innovator, not just roadkill on highway 66. You know the OLD East/West Highway.

RE: Suggestion
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 10:57:59 PM #
I am not sure about the "damned if they do and damned if they don't" argument. It is the combination of (1)mis-strategic plan and (2)lack of innovation. Palm is trying to focus on corporate customers, and it does not mean that corporate users are dumb and seeking inferior products. The corporate focus is true only if Palm has its own competitive strengthness. Comparing to Wince, Palm still has some. But with Palm OS group, I am not sure what Palm should do next...

... maybe, just maybe, surrender its production(hardware) line and focus on software development is a smart move...

That is long!

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 12:35:38 PM #
Expansion is always like this. Whether it is Palm or Pocket PC, Springboard or USA, you end up with a strange gadgat which all geek admire. Just strange if not bulkier (but it is bulkeir indeed most of the time), and then I will need batman belt for it. So welcome Sony and MS to this arena of expansion with Palm, Handspring, Handera, Sony, Compaq, and HP just all alike

RE: That is long!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 1:40:00 PM #
I doubt if this GPS will sell well.
It can only run 50 min. Too short to
be really useful.
I think 2 hours in cities, more than 8 hours
in the wild is more pratical.

This GPS is not going to sell well in US, I am pretty sure.



RE: That is long!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 1:59:21 PM #
It shoud use external battery power, not the power form handheld.

RE: That is long!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 8:44:43 PM #
Make an batter pack type sled for the unit to run off so you can get some prolonged use.

Service

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 4:37:41 PM #
Sorry for such a stupid question, is there a monthly price that you have to pay to use it, like wireless internet? If so, how much is it monthly?

RE: Service
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 5:26:11 PM #
Yep, it is a stupid question... standard GPS access is free. There are pay services for differential GPS, but most people don't need that.

RE: Service
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 10:08:09 PM #
Sweet, so, I pay whatever 170 bucks for the MS and have GPS anywhere? That is awesome! Cant wait till it comes out!

RE: Service
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 7:18:50 AM #
Anywhere that you have an unobstructed view of the sky, that is. GPS won't work indoors and not too well where their is a lot of trees above you. Weather does not make any difference.

RE: Service
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 2:11:58 PM #
But you do need an e-map for where you are.
Otherwise it is not that useful.


What the hell?

Coyote67 @ 11/20/2001 6:04:10 PM #
Ok, maybe its me, but this thing seem to be a rotting piece of crap. 70 minutes usage? WHAT. Question, after that time, how much battery is left for the handheld. Take a look at GPS for Visors:
HandyGPS Pro: 10 hours
Plus you have GPS springboards like the Geode, which lets you use 2 64meg mmc cards for map storage. This thing is using internal memory. What software does it come with?
Go look at http://www.visorcentral.com/content/Products/detail-41.htm More GPS then any handheld. For you fools who think springboard is dead, take a look at what was announced at comdex, 3 new springboards. Gee, that makes 59 modules sold at palmgear. I wonder, How many does Sony have selling right now? 0 How many does Handspring have 59? Maybe you guys are using fuzzy math.

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RE: What the hell? 2 AA Battery ??
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 9:35:19 PM #
just went to the page u point out, but what's going on, I need to put battery in the GPS ?? is it supposed to drain battery from the PDA ?? I guess it's true that only sony really cares about size.

and battery in modules ?? hmm .. does that sound wrong ?? maybe u'll spend more money on buying batteries if you use Handspring module. if that doesnt spell R.I.P for Handspring modules, I don't know what does.

RE: What the hell?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/20/2001 10:35:08 PM #
I think Geode closed its door already.

It really depends how you use your GPS.

50 min. is quite short. You would rather use additional
batteries for much longer time in many cases.

GO AWAY YOU HANDSPRING TROLLS!
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 10:08:06 AM #
So what if your stuff is better, we like to spend money buying new handhelds every 3 months and buying worthless, expensive add-ons!

RE: What the hell?
skoty @ 11/21/2001 3:43:25 PM #
"I think Geode closed its door already."

Actually, they have had substantial layoffs, but they're still open. Take a look at http://www.geodiscovery.com I think the point that the original poster was trying to make is that GPS has been available for the visor for years, and that there are quite a few options out there, not just one.

An additional point that I would like to make is that these GPS moduls work with ALL visors, not just the most recent (Neo and Pro). The fact that the new MS add ons that are comming out right now (camera and GPS) only work with the newest CLIEs would really piss me off if I owned one that was released last year.

RE: What the hell?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 6:00:06 PM #
Yes Too BAD Sony, don't do GPS MS support for their "older" low res model of Clie ......

LET'S ALL CHEER for HANDSPRING the ultimate Palm maker who have Springboard modules working on ALL MODELS OF Handsping palm device !!!!!!

Oooopppss .... sorry is Treo a handspring device ?? Yeah it's the lates toy Handspring make .... so why it doesnt have a spingboard "thingy" built-in ??

RE: What the hell?
skoty @ 11/21/2001 8:27:03 PM #
The Treo is a whole different product line wise ass. With your reasoning, we should all be asking why Windows compatible games can't be played on the X-box, or why Pentium IIs and IIIs won't fit in the original Pentium slots, or why RAMBUS RAM won't fit in my SDRAM slots, or why SCSI devices can't be plugged into IDE channels, or why USB ports can't be plugged into Serial ports, or why 802.11b won't talk to Bluetooth.

The point I was trying to make is that Sony PDAs have always had the memory stick slot in there and yet the new memory stick add-ons only work in the most recent ones.

I qualified my statement by saying that springboards fit into all Visors. The Treo is not a Visor. If you visit http://www.handspring.com you won't find Treos listed under visors. The Treo isn't even a PDA, it's more than a PDA. Jeff Hawkins kept referring to them as "communicators" in his Keynote rather than digital assistants.

RE: What the hell?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 10:34:33 PM #
O so with your reasoning .. it's ok for companies to not support their own technology in new products, I totally got your point.

1) Visor and Treo Made by Handspring
2) they both use palm OS
3) both marketed as PDA (treo is only a PDA with phone capability)

1) Sony made all Clie
2) they all use Palm OS
3) all marketed as PDA (including those with MP3 capability)

if Sony is wrong to not support the "LOW RES" and "KINDA OLD" model, I think Handspring is wrong to totally take out the port from their "STATE OF THE ART" "LATEST" line of PDA Device. God knows what they'll do in the next wave of device, maybe they'll just forget about the Visor and call it Kisor and totally make springboard modules obsolete .. who knows !!!! And you'll be on this board crying, yeah yeah yeah Kisor is a totally new line of device, they are not supposed to have springboard ....

I guess those kinda old sony devices can still use other mem stick devices that doesnt require a high res screen, but poor Treo they can't even plug any springboard modules in it ..... isn't that sad ...

"why SCSI devices can't be plugged into IDE channels,"
"USB ports can't be plugged into Serial ports,"
"why 802.11b won't talk to Bluetooth."

I really don't want to get into your examples, but they are more like lame excuses, I understand the confusing on Xbox and windows games and Intel CPU crap ... but with you asking these question, I think u are qalified to be called "you are out of your mind" ....

RE: What the hell?
volcanopele @ 11/22/2001 7:08:49 PM #
I totally agree with the original poster, this GPS module has no where near the quality of some of the GPS devices that have been available for the Visor for years. However, I am happy that buyers of the new Clies will have at least some of the GPS capabilities that are available to Visor owners.

To be perfectly honest though, if these features were on a GPS springboard, I certainly would not buy it. The fact that it relies on internal memory and the very short battery life make it very poor for use on hiking trips.

While the T600C is on the top of my list for a next handheld (which would mean I can't sell my Platinum), the lack of diversity in the expansion options worries me. Though springboards are a tad on the expensive side, okay in some cases WAY over on the expensive side, at least they are a diverse bunch with mulitple options for each kind of expansion. Another thing that worries me about Clies is the fact that Sony seems to undercut their top of the line PDAs almost every 3 months. This is almost the opposite extreme from Palm and Handspring that release new devices every 6 months or so, top-of-the-line or not.

As far as Treos go, they are a different product line. Handspring is allowed to make what ever decisions they want to make with their products. The introduction of the Treo doesn't end the visor line and by extension, the sprinboard slot. I also disappointed that it doesn't include a springboard slot but I can see why they didn't. Springboards are large and that is incompatible with the small size of the Treo.

Jason

RE: What the hell?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 8:24:56 PM #
Most GPS modules use the internal memory.
Geode is an exception. Last time I heard that
they could not make the software that accesses those
memory yet. That means those memory are useless.
Please correct me if they have upgraded their software
by now.

Using internal memory doesn't affect your use in hiking trips. Because you need very little memory for hiking trip
mapping. The key is actually making a good software for hiking purpose.

The battery life is indeed a big problem for hiking.

There are GPS modules for Vx and IIIxe. They all use external batteries. And Vx one lasts more than a week.

Where external memories are needed? You do need it for
a good map for cities like San Francisco, New York.
A good detail map for Hong Kong is easily more than 10meg. Now you can see why external memory is needed in this situation.



RE: What the hell?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 8:38:41 PM #
on why it cann't used in S series:

I think this is a software decision. That is the software
that comes with the gps module doesn't want to
run on S series.
The reason I believe is its screen resolution. A map
looks quite different on a hi-res screen than on a low-res
screen. It is much better on hi-res screen.

As the hardware, they all use the MS port and should work just fine.

If the GPS module is NMEA compliant, which I believe is as Sony's GPS chip is NMEA compliant, other companies
may make software that uses the GPS on S series.
But consider how many S Clie has been sold, there is probably not a bid interest out there for this.


RE: What the hell?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/23/2001 1:49:00 AM #
The point is, I don't like people with double standards

I understand Tero is a small device that's why they need to take out the springboard slot

why can't people understand why the GPS module's not supported in S series because maybe the battery in S series or the resolution ??

But NO !!! We need to run around crying out loud saying "yeah Buy a Clie and u'll get no support after 3 months !!!"

Well I guess I can also run around saying that "buy springboard modules and you won't be able to use it on those new handspring devices"

RE: What the hell?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/23/2001 1:53:41 AM #
by the way, let's just say that Treo is a "cell phone" communication device... but Sony's cell phones also have memorystick slot built-in, so you can listen to MP3 and stuff. Not capable of putting your technology in new small device is just an example of Handsping shortsightness when they designed the springboard modules. I am so glad that Palm didn't go the way of springboard expension when it first came out.

RE: What the hell?
I.M. Anonymous @ 11/26/2001 11:33:24 AM #
As a former Geode user, Geodiscovery "disappeared" shortly after the "finished" units started shipping in bulk (April seems to ring a bell). It was a great idea but never lived up to it's advertising. The memory slots are non-functional (I seriously doubt the software to make them work will ever be released), and the few city guides that were released were incorrect.

Since June Geoidiscovery told us Geode owners that the company will be bought soon and new software will be released. I gave up and sold mine. If any one is considering the Geode, do yourself a favor and don't! You'll be sorry!

--Dave

Is it NMEA compliant ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/21/2001 10:40:23 AM #
Any informations about NMEA compliance?
Is this GPS compatible with US/European versions of Clié?

Wild Idea

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/22/2001 12:22:54 AM #
Can this be used on a VAIO notebook? Awfully interesting application comes up if this can be used as a receiver on a picture book.

Where are our SDIO peripherals???!!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 11/24/2001 8:35:27 PM #
C'mon Palm and Panasonic! The SDIO standards are approved! Pull the trigger on some SD stuff!!! You should have had it in the works already and just waiting for final approval to release! If you keep dinking around, Memory Stick will be the Standard!

memory stick gps

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/30/2002 2:18:40 AM #
What ever happened to this has it ever been released anywhere????

RE: memory stick gps
Ed @ 3/30/2002 10:11:06 AM #
It's been available in Japan for several months. However, Sony hasn't shown any signs of releasing it in any other country.

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