Comments on: Handspring Treo Available January 14

The NY Times David Pogue has written a very positive review of the wireless Handspring Treo. In addition to his other comments, he said something that Handspring probably isn't thrilled about. According to Mr. Pogue, the Treo will be released on Monday, January 14. Handspring itself has only said the Treo 180 and 180g would be available sometime this month but not given an exact day. It isn't unusual for reviewers to be told the release dates of products but they are asked not to reveal them if the company hasn't.
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I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 9:37:18 AM #
Oops! Hope the color model comes out soon.

RE: treo
Ed @ 1/4/2002 10:02:50 AM #
I've heard conflicting information about this. When Handspring originally announced the Treo line, it said the monochrome versions would be out in March and the color one three months later. When Handspring said in November that the monochrome Treos would be bumped up to January, they said the color one would still be released three months later, meaning sometime around April. However, David Pogue, who we know has as inside line to Handspring, just said "a $600 color- screen model is scheduled for release at midyear."

News Editor
RE: treo
Coyote67 @ 1/4/2002 1:40:37 PM #
Any mention of the time-line for the CDMA version. I'm really trying to convince myself to drop Sprint and get a GSM Treo, but I just do not want to change my phone #.

When you have a Clie shoved up your mouth, you can only talk in vowels.
RE: treo
blind505user @ 1/4/2002 2:21:10 PM #
I would think long and hard before moving to a GSM phone. I got a GSM phone from Cingular here in the California Bay Area (Near SF) and I couldn't get a signal in most places and never in my office.

I finally got Cingular to release me from my contract and I got an ATT plan. The thing most people forget with GSM is you don't have the Analog radio for backup in remote areas.

Also remember, even if you have decent coverage in your home area if you travel for business like I do, the phone would be worthless in most places.

I would like to have a treo myself, but wouldn't even consider it until there is a CDMA color version.

My 2 cents...

RE: treo
Synwpn @ 1/4/2002 2:36:16 PM #
In response to GSM having poor coverage, a lot has to do with the phone you are using also. I have had Voicestream service for about 4 years now and havent had any problems. I have travelled a lot with it. Especially in the Bay area and haven't had any problems. I had a Nokia then, and it had much better reception then my friend's Motorola on Sprint service. And this includes going to Tahoe and down to Monterey and Carmel.

Plus now my phone works when I goto Asia and other places outside of the US, with the exception of Japan.

Damn, I actually thought it was coming out later

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 9:50:01 AM #
I had no idea it would come out so soon. I just finished upgrading my Cellular Phone. Oh well.

Treo looksee

mikecane @ 1/4/2002 9:54:39 AM #
Well, I'd like to see this marvel in person. I bet on that date, we'll have both the Treo *and* the Sony "T615" and S360 to look over.

RE: Treo looksee
Foo @ 1/4/2002 10:13:28 AM #
I'm much more excited about the Sony T615 than the Treo. It packs a high resolution display into a thin form factor. As long as it doesn't have the dreaded dust problem, it could be my next handheld..replacing my M505.

Treo? It will gain early sales among PDA enthusiasts, but will drop off. It's still priced too high. Once the price point drops down to $299, it may take off among mainstream consumers.

RE: Treo looksee
mikecane @ 1/4/2002 10:23:30 AM #
I didn't say I'd buy a Treo (mono is out for me) -- but I do want to see just how small it is.

RE: Treo looksee
pontif @ 1/4/2002 11:19:45 AM #
The T615 is expected to be announced around the 8th or 9th (next week at CES) but I wouldn't expect to actually see one in a store in the US until close to the end of the month.

RE: Treo looksee
sford @ 1/4/2002 11:31:31 AM #
We had a Palm rep at our November Palm Users Group meeting who works with the licensees, and he had a Treo, an I300 (Samsung), and just about every other licensee product out one that isn't, yet. :) Anyway, the Treo is tiny. It was very nice. After using Graffiti for the past six years, the keyboard was a little awkward for navigating, though excellent for entering text.

Though monochrome is out for me, too, I eagerly anticipate the 270. (Basically, whichever color Palm smartphone that Verizon offers first will be the one I get.)

RE: Treo looksee
Scott @ 1/4/2002 11:49:59 AM #
sford, surely they didn't make you sign NDA's at a user group meeting did they? If not, how about letting us in on what that other device was?


RE: Treo looksee
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 3:21:46 PM #
Yeah, what is this mysterious licensee? Can you at least say if it is an American or Japanese company? (Watch: we will all faint when Apple announces on Monday!)

RE: Treo looksee
Dark @ 1/4/2002 10:55:33 PM #
That other licensee could be Acer. They are among the newest Palm OS licensees I know.

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RE: Treo looksee
digichimp @ 1/6/2002 1:09:17 PM #
We had Palm over at the SF Palm User Group and the Acer s10 was brought out. Very nice little machine and it was in english yet! Unfortunately there is doubt that is will be released in the US. It was localized for the Chinese market. PalmInfoCenter had a story on it and I got excited because the OS would be spread to a large population. Unfortunately again, Acer became a PPC2002 licensee.
The treo was small but oh so comfortable and packed many features. I snapped a pic of it but it came out crappy. I'll post it when i get the report together.
With the i705, treo and others running OS 4 and below it will be interesting to see what all the hype of OS5 is all about. By Q4 and Q1 2003 we may see these next gen ARM Palms but I think the strength of Palm lies in the core functionality: batt life, UI, installed software base and not necessarily chasing features like PPC. hopefully one of the licensees may realize and capitalize on this and put out something like the Treo which maximizes functionality over features. you got to hand it to Hawkins and the Handspring team for fleshing out the next step in PDA evolution. They did it with the pilot and I think treo is on that path.
The sad suck thing is that it may sink like an anchor in this poor environment or misdirected marketing.
GSM should be pitched to Europe and Asia.
Get that CDMA working!

RE: Treo looksee
cbhomesold @ 1/7/2002 1:56:36 PM #
Sford says;
Basically, whichever color Palm smartphone that Verizon offers first will be the one I get.

I was told by a Verizon rep that they will be introducing the Samsung SPH 1300 1st quarter of '02.

I just got one from Sprint...It's a good unit, I would not recommend it to be use in a vehicle a lot...You need to use the stylus (very dangerous) if you have more than 50 people in your address book. It's not a very intuitive product!

The color screen is bright, but I am very disappointed with the resolution, it's almost murky compared to my Palm IIIc (Still my favorite color Palm.)

CDMA Woohoo!

pstreck @ 1/4/2002 11:16:50 AM #
At least its great for those of us who live in places where the cell phone stores say "Whats G-S-M?".

RE: CDMA Woohoo!
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 12:00:10 PM #
This is funny if you live if Europe, cos there you can be in the mountains, miles from anywhere and popup your GSM fone and ring someone.

I remember being in Turkey in a tiny isolated village where they had one dodgy phoneline leading in which was only good enough for a slow modem connection on dry days when it hadn't rained for a while... Of course everyone was on the beach with their GSM phones with cystal clear reception.


RE: CDMA Woohoo!
pstreck @ 1/4/2002 1:09:39 PM #
That would be nice, unfortunatly here in the States, ohio to be more precise. They estimate that it will be another year or two before we have gsm access

RE: CDMA Woohoo!
Coyote67 @ 1/4/2002 1:43:01 PM #
GSM is nice. I was on a cruise going around the greek islands, and people were using their cells on the top deck with the ship being out of land viewing distance. Was very impressed. But once you get down to manhattan, if I don't get a signal 24/7, in any location...its just not worth it.

When you have a Clie shoved up your mouth, you can only talk in vowels.
RE: CDMA Woohoo!
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 1:45:20 PM #
Maybe when you get GSM in Ohio, you can ring up someone from one of the local Ohio mountain tops. ;)

RE: CDMA Woohoo!
donpdonp @ 1/4/2002 6:22:00 PM #
Hate to break your bubble, but there is GSM service in Ohio. Voicestream covers 39 of the 50 states.

RE: CDMA Woohoo!
Coyote67 @ 1/4/2002 8:51:33 PM #
Just because they say they cover the area, doesn't mean their coverage is good. Voicestream has coverage in NY, but lots of areas have horrible signals. Areas where said signals are horrible, cdma is great. Thats just from my experience, don't quote me on it.

When you have a Clie shoved up your mouth, you can only talk in vowels.
RE: CDMA Woohoo!
pstreck @ 1/4/2002 10:41:53 PM #
Unfortunatly Cleveland, more specifically Akron is not on the list. How dare the ignore the rubber capitol :)

Don't forget the TDMA
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/2/2002 12:37:57 PM #
Nobody makes a PDA/Cell hybrid for TDMA networks?

A little steep

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 12:07:53 PM #
$400 for a monochrome pda/phone is just a little too steep. $200 and I'd make the leap. And the color model? $600 for ANY pda, phone, combo, whatever is just ridiculous.

RE: A little steep
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 12:57:30 PM #
Agreed! Although, phone prices tend to take a different path than those of PDAs.... they tend to launch at a High price, and fall off rather quickly... iirc The i300 hit the market at either 599 or 549... but now sits between 400-500 depending upon where you go... and the Kyocera also hit the market at 500 less than a year ago, but has been discounted heavily since.

Btw, the Kyocera is still the phone to beat for my money... your mileage may vary. :)

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RE: A little steep
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 1:01:17 PM #
Exactly. It makes more sense for me to just pay $300 for two tiny items that can fit into two of my pockets just as well. I'll save my money until the day it becomes significantly cheaper, but I'm willing to bet that they'll just discontinue it before then, in which case you'll have to look for a used one.

RE: A little steep
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 1:41:58 PM #
For price comparison to a competing product, Motorola is finally selling the Accompli A009 for $650...

RE: A little steep
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 2:36:32 PM #
It seems unlikely to me that people who already own a PDA will pay $400 for a monochrome pda-phone. At that price, it's hard for PDA owners to justify paying for that much, especially since Handspring already offers a cheaper alternative, what with the VisorPhone module costing a mere $99 WITHOUT a service plan.

It'll be interesting to see how many CONSUMERS will actually consider buying the Treo 180 for their first PDA. Considering that Nokia and Motorola sell comparable 'converged' devices at the same price as the 270 is expected to sell at, Handspring is probably thinking that they'll be able to grab a big piece of that market of high-end cellphone users.

I don't think I'll be getting either versions ... my phone and my PDA do just fine for now. Although, I do know that my Dad, who's never had a PDA, is really excited about the Treo!

RE: A little steep
joeberk @ 1/4/2002 4:18:02 PM #
I've got an ancient Palm III I bought almost 2 years ago.

I've got a Nokia phone I bought a year & a half ago.

To replace the two with similar equipment would cost me at least as much, if not more, than either a Kyocera Phone or a Treo.

But that's my perspective.

RE: A little steep
donpdonp @ 1/4/2002 6:41:29 PM #
From what I can tell, the Treo is GSM and a GSM modem. that is such a let down. My experience with GSM modems is that you still have to dial the phone and you still have to have an ISP dialup account. This new product is using a very old technology (gsm modem) to get data.

GPRS is what it should be using. Its always on. Its about 56kbits/sec. The treo wont realize a fifth of its potential without GPRS.

The best solution right now, in my opinion, is a $200 M125 with Bluetooth SD I/O card (oh when will that be sold in the US?!) and the $250 (from ebay) Ericsson t39. Voicestream in Portland, OR has GPRS today and Id love to surf the web from my palm using the phone that is still in my pocket.

RE: A little steep
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 11:25:52 PM #
The Treo will support GPRS (via software update). Stop posting nonsense.


I.M. Anonymous @ 1/4/2002 6:59:30 PM #
is it gprs ready out of the box? - or is it like the siemens sx45 so that you have to pay 200 extra to upgrade it ?? - it realy makes a lot diff . love gprs always on here.

RE: gprs?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/5/2002 7:05:11 AM #
Its already GPRS ready out of the box. Free software update will enable the GPRS functionality.

RE: gprs?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/5/2002 8:16:50 AM #
Any date for the software upgrade? Is HS going to release that on day 1 or shortly after that?

RE: gprs?
Ed @ 1/5/2002 8:34:44 AM #
The last I heard was that Handspring plans to have the GPRS software upgrade ready during the second quarter of this year, which is when they expect GPRS to begin to be widely available.

News Editor
RE: gprs?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/5/2002 12:22:21 PM #
original q - ok great with free upgrade - think im going to get one as soon as they have the upgrade ready and working with the gprs net here in sweden . - thanks ed

RE: gprs?
I.M. Anonymous @ 1/7/2002 2:19:18 PM #
"Q. Will you support EMS?
A. We are working with third parties to support EMS,
Q. Will your product be upgradeable to GPRS?
A. Yes. When the GPRS networks are commercially available and carriers are offering GPRS service plans, Treo communicators will be upgradeable via a software patch from Handspring. "

carriers are offering gprs service in europe - and they are commercially available - so lets see the patch - i dont belive it - until somebody has tested it - or is it going to be when the color is out ?

TDMA please

I.M. Anonymous @ 1/5/2002 11:37:35 AM #
I hope they make a TDMA version too, 'cause I just switched from Verizon's nasty service to AT&T...

Eston Bond
CEO Pine Tree Software

RE: TDMA please
Coyote67 @ 1/5/2002 6:41:28 PM #
You switched from CDMA to TDMA...OK. I hope you put more thought into decisions for your company than you do in cell providers. TDMA is dieing. No companys in their right mind will put out a TDMA product these days, unless its Nokia. ATT has said previously that they will be switching to GSM so I seriously doubt handspring would bother with a product for a something that will die soon enough.

When you have a Clie shoved up your mouth, you can only talk in vowels.


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