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Handspring is now taking orders for the Treo Communicator on its U.S. webstore. Despite a message that appears on the site that says the devices are "Now Shipping", further on is a message that says orders placed with Cingular Wireless service plans or without service activation are expected to be delivered within one or two weeks. Orders placed with VoiceStream service plans are expected to begin shipping on February 25. The Treo is $400 with a new service plan or $550 without.
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SaxonMan got it from VisorCentral.com

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/10/2002 10:51:45 PM #
visorcentral.com had the news FIRST. Also discount for vphone people!

RE: SaxonMan got it from VisorCentral.com
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/10/2002 11:18:04 PM #
So What? News is News. I don't read VisorCentral, and am glad to see it posted here.

RE: SaxonMan got it from VisorCentral.com
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 12:17:15 AM #
So was that the one article of the week on VisorCentral.com? I used to go there all the time, but day after day, nothin' changes.

RE: SaxonMan got it from VisorCentral.com
TDS @ 2/11/2002 12:31:07 AM #
Good for you on figuring out Visorcentral had the news FIRST. Now, do you want a cookie or a Bozo button?

RE: SaxonMan got it from VisorCentral.com
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 8:20:27 AM #
Look, credit where credit is due. VC had it first.

RE: SaxonMan got it from VisorCentral.com
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 8:58:18 AM #
It wasn't mentioned that Saxonman had it first. Merely that Saxonman highlighted it to Ed.

Get a life.

RE: SaxonMan got it from VisorCentral.com
SaxonMan @ 2/11/2002 9:31:12 AM #
well i was visiting handspring.com and i realized that they offered the treo.
then i clicked on "contribute news" and gave it to ed? anything wrong with that?
btw... i dont visit visorcentral.com. but even if i would- who would care?

regards,
SaxonMan

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may the holy palmostles be with you

Gotta get one of these babies
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 4:16:37 PM #

They look cool! I want one!

RE: SaxonMan got it from VisorCentral.com
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 11:06:45 PM #
Ok, news is news. VisorCentral can't copyright public facts or news -- unless it is there own articles, opinions, etc. So, it doesn't matter who had it. If it is on the official site, it is game for anyone.

Ordered Mine

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/10/2002 11:54:33 PM #
Great visorphone upgrade plan

service plans

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 2:07:43 AM #
Is it me or are these service plans a bit steep to get email,voice and sms?

USDollars Cingular
voice 29.99
email 4.95 + .15 per message
SMS 2.99 for first 100 + .10 thereafter per message

At a base rate that's $38 per month.
Why can't they have an unlimited plan for data?!! like Palm.net

It would be wary for datacentric heavy email users.
I guess the carriers have to make $ somehow.

RE: service plans
jeremyf @ 2/11/2002 6:20:58 AM #
Voicestream is cheaper.. Cingular kinda blowz with data. Anyway, if you've used a cell phone, $38/month base isn't bad, it's the extra $0.15/minute or whatever with cingular that blowz.

RE: service plans
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 7:17:43 PM #
Think of it this way:

> USDollars Cingular
> voice 29.99
> email 4.95 + .15 per message
> SMS 2.99 for first 100 + .10 thereafter per message
> At a base rate that's $38 per month.
True... Plus 0.15 per data minute.

The alternate? Base rate of $35 per month JUST for voice and then you pay Palm (or Omnisky or whomever) another $30 to $40 per month for your data. Looks like the Treo model saves you a lot of $$...

PDA/phonce combo = loser

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 1:50:58 AM #
The PDA/phone combo is an old idea that somehow didnt work before.
If you watch the cell phone market right now, the phones are getting smaller and smaller becouse that's what the consumer wants.
still, despite its small size, the Treo is too big by current cell-phone standards. If it gets smaller, it's not practical as a PDA anymore. As it is right now, it will become annoying after the "honeymoon" period of a cool gadget, cause people like to carry their cell phones literaly all-the time as opposed to the PDA (only most of the time) and it's bulky.-(Of course, this doesnt apply to the people posting here :).
Pure human ergonomics.

RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 3:08:19 AM #
The trend of smaller and smaller phones seems to be slowing down, to some degree; screens are getting bigger, mainly. OTOH, more functionality is being put into the same form factors... a kind of "shrinking".

I do agree that the Treo is a bit on the large size, for a phone. However, it is smaller than my Visor Deluxe + cable + phone combination!

RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 3:26:16 AM #
Yup nokia 7650 is a perfect example of what a well balanced PDA/Phone combo should be.

I just got a feeling that Treo will get it's ass kicked so badly by nokia and sony/ericsson so badly that it's not even funny.

RE: PDA/phonce combo = Best for now.
james_sorenson @ 2/11/2002 3:28:39 AM #
Well, what is the alternative? If I want to download email or surf the web while riding the train, it is impractical to try and line up the IR ports of a PDA and phone. Bluetooth will eventually solve that problem, but I still hate having to maintain two phone lists (one on my Palm, one on my phone). I don't like looking like Batman with all these devices hooked to my belt, so having it in one just sounds a lot more convenient.

The Treo is as good of a compromise as possible as far as size goes. I find it odd that you would complain about it being too big for a phone if you are already carrying a larger Palm. If you are going to own both, why not carry just one small device and save overall space?

I'd love to have the Treo, but I do wish they allowed for enough space for memory-expansion. Looks like I'm not giving up my VisorPhone just yet.


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James Sorenson

RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 6:42:34 AM #
An interesting alternative could be this combo: bluetooth Pda (with m505 form factor for example)and bluetooth wrist watch cell phone. So you can wear your phone and carry with you only one object, without loosing the modularity of current Palm Pdas. There are already prototipes of wrist phone (one made by Samsung)

RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 6:45:11 AM #
He's wrong. I carry my PDA almost 100% of the time. There's limited space in the pocket's, and the Palm has priority because I have all sorts of info to assist me @ work. There is always a phone near enough so that I don't want to haul my own around. When I am not @ work I want to AVOID calls/pages as much as I can so I leave the phone in my briefcase. Everybody I work with is pretty much the same. Work hard, then leave me the *&^# alone when I'm off. Must be the profession.

RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 8:22:12 AM #
No, he's *NOT* wrong. What a ridiculous blanket-statement on your part.

A MAJORITY (as in, 51% or higher) of people carry their cell phones, and not their PDAs around. Haven't you ever been to an airport (I was in 4 different ones last week) or a mall? Or even McDonald's?

How about the supermarket? Do you see people walking around with their PDAs at the supermarket? Or are they calling their spouses to reaffirm that they were supposed to buy the LARGE-curd cottage cheese?

Even the KIDS are running around with their cell phones on the playground.

When I go to lunch with my friends (I work in an office of 2,000+ people), we certainly don't carry our PDAs around, but *ALL* of us have our cell phones quietly sleeping in our pockets.

If you want to play the game of "unscientific sampling", well.....we can play that game all day.

OPEN YOUR EYES!


RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 8:51:01 AM #
"Yup nokia 7650 is a perfect example of what a well balanced PDA/Phone combo should be."

Yeah right, with almost no memory and no way to expand it. Not quite a proper pda imho.

RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 10:39:28 AM #
> Yeah right, with almost no memory and no way to expand it. Not
> quite a proper pda imho.

Are you talking about the Treo or the Nokia here? Oh OK, I guess the Treo probably has more memory.

''One size fits one''
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 4:04:10 PM #
How quickly we forget what we've learned at PalmSource!

Some people prefer an integrated device, and don't want to carry both their phone and PDA (or, forced to choose between the two, stick with the phone.) Some people want a small phone to carry around always and integration with their PDA sometimes. Others want a Blackberry-like always-on-data PDA.

The beauty of Palm OS is that we are not expected to wait for the uber-device that does all of these things! We can just get the one that fits our lifestyle (and, unlike other vendors' PDA vs. vaporphone offerings, third party application software is compatible across all of them.)

I for one am excited for the Treo, mainly because I know that the minds at Handspring know how to provide a great user experience. I think they did a great job with the UI of the phone part, making it easy to use and providing access to the powerful features that almost all wireless phones have (conference calling, hold, two-way test messaging, etc.) but that are usually too cumbersome to use!

RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 7:26:17 PM #
I would be curious to know if the person who started this thread had actually *held* a Treo. I work for one of Handspring's partners and have had a preproduction Treo for over a month and I absolutely love the size!! I have a tiny Motorola v.60 phone and have every intention of ditching it for the Treo 280 when it comes out. Handspring hit the sweet spot and actually got the weight *down* since they announced back in October (it was 5.4 oz and now it is 5.2 oz). Even if my company won't buy me (or Handspring does not give me) a Treo 270 I'll shell out my own $$. Go Treo go!

RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 10:07:14 PM #

"I work for one of Handspring's partners"
"..have every intention of ditching it for the Treo"
"..Handspring hit the sweet spot"
"..I'll shell out my own $$."
"..Go Treo go!"

you are pathetic!
don't be desperate, Treo will be a big hit saving
Handspring from a grim future (present) and you wont get the pink slip



RE: PDA/phonce combo = loser
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 11:29:37 PM #
manufacturers should shrink phones down to the size of a pen and then we could use that as a stylus for pdas while bluetooth would allow transfers say phone nos. to the penphone so that we could dial it from the pen.


GPRS

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 8:44:03 AM #
Handspring states that the GPRS upgrade will be available when that service is available. Well its available thru Voice Stream now, they call it Istream. So where is the GPRS upgrade. Does anyone know if its available yet or is that upgrade just vaporware!! I can't justify the upgrade without it.

RE: GPRS
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 9:03:48 AM #
As I remember, they said the GPRS update would be out when GPRS was "widely" available. That a small number of cities have it doesn't qualify.

I do agree that Handspring needs to get that upgrade out the door ASAP. GPRS is going to be in full swing in Europe way before it is in the U.S. of A. The upgrade makes this a great device. Without it the Treo is just so-so.

RE: GPRS
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 11:04:28 AM #
Who has VoiceStream's "iStream" service and what can you tell us about it?


RE: GPRS
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 11:28:12 AM #
I have a Ericsson T39 and a GPRS connection. Using the built-in IrDA port, I can connect my PowerBook G4 as well as my Palm Vx to the Internet using GPRS. It took some time to find the right GPRS settings for the Palm, but now I can use MultiMail, Avantgo, Vindigo as well as the great new Palm app WebToGo everywhere I want. Thus, I would rather get a new Palm, most likely the upcoming 525 if it has a real good screen, and maybe also the Bluetooth SD card. This would allow me to look up my e-mail and surf the net with my T39 (which has built-in Bluetooth) still in its case...

Where does a Treo 180 fit in ? I have no need for such a PDA phone...

RE: GPRS
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 11:48:22 AM #
In what country do you use the T39, with which service provider, and how's the e-mail access on your Palm with it?

RE: GPRS
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 3:02:29 PM #
I live in Austria, my service provider is One (Connect Austria). I have had troubles with my GPRS link until I installed WebToGo (see www.webtogo.de). This new Palm app is GPRS friendly, whereas Avantgo says they do not support GPRS. WebToGo itself did not install any GPRS settings, only a WAP dial-in. But after dialing in with WAP into the WebToGo homepage, I was also getting GPRS connection with all internet apps I had installed previously. Maybe WebToGo installed some file I had missed before ;-)

The mail server I am accessing ((city.magnet.at) is NOT the one of my ISP (mail.i-one.at). I am using their mail server only as SMTP for outgoing mail.

RE: GPRS
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 7:22:10 PM #
At PalmSource I spoke to a Handspring rep and while he was trying to sound as diplomatic as possible I got the impression the GPRS hold up would be based on the carriers certifying the GPRS upgrade. He made it sound like they were currently working with the carriers and they expected the upgrade in three or four months ("Summer").

Let me know when it's $150...

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 10:43:07 AM #
nobody is going to pay $400-$550 for an oddly designed phone.

RE: Let me know when it's $150...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 11:34:42 AM #
If that's true then isn't it curious that the Kyocera is already selling well at this price point?

RE: Let me know when it's $150...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 11:37:48 AM #
...and in a larger size than Treo, without a thumb-keyboard and not upgradeable to "always-on" e-mail.


RE: Let me know when it's $150...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 12:18:56 PM #
> the Kyocera is already selling well

It is? Define "well", because I don't know anyone that has one, or anyone who would probably pay more than $100 for a mobile phone. Especially when you're talking about another $50+ a month in service charges.

You do understand that there are other phones that do similar, or the same things for considerably less don't you? Sure they don't run Palm OS, but even some sub-$100 phones have some of this functionality. From the viewpoint of most people anyhow, the Kyocera looks like a wireless PDA, while the Treo doesn't look that different than the $50 flip phone a freind of mine just got. Sure she'd probably rather have the Treo, but she wouldn't $500 more want the Treo since she'll probably lose it or break it (or it'll be obsolete) in the next year anyhow.

RE: Let me know when it's $150...
Ed @ 2/11/2002 2:37:53 PM #
According to analysts for SoundView Technology, Kyocera sold about 125 thousand of its Palm smartphones in its first six months in the U.S. last year. That's only the U.S. market. Because the Treo will be available in the U.S., Europe, and parts of Asia, SoundView estimates Handspring will sell 390 thousand Treos this year.

Handspring's stock is up 18% today.

---
News Editor

RE: Let me know when it's $150...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 4:09:54 PM #
>>
It is? Define "well", because I don't know anyone that has one, or anyone who would
probably pay more than $100 for a mobile phone. Especially when you're talking about
another $50+ a month in service charges.
<<

Well, I don't know about $50/month in service charges, but I paid $170 for my
Nokia 8290 phone about a year ago. I decided if the whole point of a mobile phone
was to carry it around everywhere, I needed one I could fit in my pocket. The other
phones that were close to its size had antennas sticking out. Plus, the 8290 can act
as an wireless IR modem for Palms and laptops, with my current ISP. It was expensive,
but the convenience was worth it.

GSM Coverage in the US

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 12:19:01 PM #
Are Cingular and VoiceStream GSM-only in the US? That is, can I look at their coverage maps to get an idea of what Treo coverage will be like? Or, if they used mixed networks, are there any GSM-only coverage maps available?

I'd really like to get a Treo, but I'm going to have to switch from Sprint (who I've had mixed results with). I spend almost all of my time in or near cities or on large highways between close cities, so I'm hoping their coverage will be good enough for me. Anyone have any feedback on the two companies' service and coverage?

Thanks.

RE: GSM Coverage in the US
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 1:29:48 PM #
well, cingular's best in southeast and voicestream in northeast... if you want coast-to-coast at&t and sprint are your best options (but no treo yet)... don't know about (south)west...

i'm pretty sure you can use the treo on at&t once they deploy gsm...

or you can wait on cdma treo and use w/ verizon and sprint.

So, what about the Samsung SPH-1300?

jonr @ 2/11/2002 1:29:08 PM #
It looks better, has colour, doesn't have that stupid lid. Has anybody here tried it? I would love to replace my Nokia and Palm V with one gadget.
-J

RE: So, what about the Samsung SPH-1300?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 1:35:57 PM #
It doesn't have a physical keyboard, it's larger than the Treo and it's not upgradeable to GPRS.

Stupid lid? It's called integrated screen protection
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 2:26:53 PM #
The i300 screen is unprotected and is begging to be cracked. Cases for it suck. The treo's design is 10X better than the samsung. Quit trying to justify your purchases and embrace reality.

RE: So, what about the Samsung SPH-1300?
jonr @ 2/11/2002 2:46:27 PM #
ööö... I havent bougt anything yet!

RE: So, what about the Samsung SPH-1300?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 3:00:46 PM #
the samsung sucks power with the color screen

RE: So, what about the Samsung SPH-1300?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 4:19:51 PM #
>> the samsung sucks power with the color screen <<

Yes, it does. But have you compared the battery life estimates of the B&W Treo vs. the Color I-300? I would guess you haven't .... because the Treo gives users even LESS usable time than the (admittedly) already-short I300. I believe their FAQ states somewhere around 60 hours of standby, while the I-300 states 100. Lord knows what kind of miracle Handspring is going to have to develop to make the Color Treo actually usable for more than a few hours out of the charger.

Think before speaking ...



RE: So, what about the Samsung SPH-1300?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 4:29:39 PM #
Unfortunately, I can't find Samsung's extended battery info, but from
www.samsungelectronics.com/mobile_phone/wireless_terminals/cdma_pcs/sph_i300_spec.html, it appears that talk time is 120 min (vs. 150 for the Treo) and standby is 18 hrs (vs. 60) for the Treo. The 2.5 hours talk time is, admittedly, a possible worry for me, but I don't know when I go 60 hours without charging. I certainly go 18 hours.

Anyone have the stats on Samsung's larger battery? That's one negative of the Treo -- no battery switching.

But that link is directly off their site, so I don't think Handspring is misquoting anyone.

RE: So, what about the Samsung SPH-1300?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 5:05:13 PM #
Handspring's comparison chart states that the Treo 180 (B&W) has 2.5 hours of talk time and 60 hours of standby, while the Samsung has only 2 hours of talk time and 18 hours of standbdy! See http://www.handspring.com/products/treo/treo180_samsung_i300.jhtml

No chart comparing the Treo 270 (color) to anything yet.


HS chart is wrong....
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 5:17:13 PM #
>> Handspring's comparison chart states that the Treo 180 (B&W) has 2.5 hours of talk time and 60 hours of standby, while the Samsung has only 2 hours of talk time and 18 hours of standbdy! <<

Handspring is dead wrong. Sprint's site (Samsung's site had no details) indicates 4 hours talk, and 100 hours standby.

As an owner of an I300, I can tell you without a doubt that I can easily get 2 days of standby.

If Handspring has mis-quoted the numbers, they'd best correct them before getting a letter from Samsung's lawyers.

(Apologies for the disgusting URL - if you'd prefer to go by hand, go to SprintPCS.com, view our phones, and then click on the I300)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E5132176

RE: So, what about the Samsung SPH-1300?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 6:09:46 PM #
Oh great, let me look at Sprints claims of the phone they don't make. Hmmm I wonder why Samsung themselvs do not make the battery duration claims?

RE: So, what about the Samsung SPH-1300?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 7:12:43 PM #
Yep ... HandSpring is being BLATANTLY deceptive here....

This quote comes DIRECTLY from the I300 manual, which is available DIRECTLY from the samsungusa.com website.

"The battery provides approximately four hours of continuous digital talk time (90 minutes in analog) or approximately 100 hours of continuous digital standby time (20 hours in analog)."

What a crock - HandSpring is posting their digital talk times vs. the I300's analog times. I used to have a lot of respect for HS, but now I'm not so sure.

I think we're going to see a lot of people complaining about the short (sealed) battery life of the Treo once they start using them.

Don't get me wrong -- I'd actually rather have a Treo than my I300. I like the VisorPhone interfaces (which is what the Treo is based on) better than the I300's. But, I would like color, and I would like CDMA. Until that is available, I'll have to stick with what I've got.

BWAHAHA ... HS had to own up to being blatant liars....
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/13/2002 5:51:50 PM #
They have now changed their Treo vs. I300 page to reflect the ACCURATE battery life specifications for the I300 that come from the manual available on the MANUFACTURER'S WEB SITE.

http://www.handspring.com/products/treo/treo180_samsung_i300.jhtml

Bwahahaha. That's what they get for lying - shouldn't try to do that in the Internet age.

Still think the Treo looks great, but us I300 users are already complaining about our battery life ... and at least we can swap batteries. Should be interesting to see how the Treo owners fare. PocketPC owners are accustomed to sucky battery life, but most Palm owners aren't.

COLOR Treo in 2-3 months!!!

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 3:36:09 PM #
Ed Colligan COO of Handspring stated on CNET radio this morning they believe they will deliver a color Treo in "2 to 3 months, pretty quickly I think..." which is big news for many!

RE: COLOR Treo in 2-3 months!!!
robrecht @ 2/11/2002 4:27:00 PM #
Does anyone know if the color Treo is expected to be available for CDMA wireless networks, and when?

Thanks, Robrecht
RE: COLOR Treo in 2-3 months!!!
Ed @ 2/11/2002 5:27:41 PM #
When I spoke with the head of Handspring's PR people a few weeks ago, he would only say that it would be out before the end of this year.

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News Editor

CDMA Treo

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 7:20:36 PM #
Is there any reliable confirmation of a CDMA (for SprintPCS, in my case) Treo? I've seen several mentions of it, including articles at fairly reliable sites, but they're all of the form "Handpsring should have CDMA sometime."

I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just looking for something a little more reliable, perhaps with a target release date, hopefully directly from Handspring. Thanks. :)

RE: CDMA Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 7:34:09 PM #
Quoted from Handsprings Treo FAQ:

Q. Will there be a CDMA version of the Treo communicator?
 A. Handspring expects the Treo family to support non-GSM networks over time, but we will announce those only as they become available.


RE: CDMA Treo
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/11/2002 8:01:10 PM #
Unfortunately (I've seen that before), I count that among the unreliable reports.

Saying they "expect" to have "non-GSM" (even though CDMA was in the question) "over time", and refusing to announce when until they are available doesn't bode well for me waiting for it. :) I'm not saying they haven't given the best answer they can, just that it's not enough for me to avoid purchasing a new phone (which I need soon regardless) until the CDMA Treo is out.

Now I have to decide whether to get a phone I don't want as much, or to switch carriers, phone numbers, etc.


RE: CDMA Treo
Ed @ 2/11/2002 8:16:30 PM #
Handspring mentioned at PalmSource that they would be making a CDMA Treo and the head of Handspring's PR department told me during an interview a few weeks ago there would be one, too.

Hopefully that will settle it in your mind, unless you consider this an unreliable news source, too. :-)

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News Editor

GSM in US, Europe

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/12/2002 10:36:37 AM #
Your article is a touch ambiguous on GSM in Europe and the US. It's true that GSM is the European, just about the global, standard. What I want to know is whether the first Treo uses both US and European GSM frequencies. Is there a model coming now that is usable in New York and Paris?

RE: GSM in US, Europe
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/12/2002 11:29:40 AM #
Yes and no. There is a 900/1800 Mghz for Europe and a 900/1900 Mghz for US. On the 900 MgHz band, you could use it in Europe and and the US but it would restrict you to partial coverage in both locations. You should wait for a tri-band 800/1800/1900 model to appear. It is already a reality in many GSM phones, so it should not be too difficult for them.

Analyzing the Service Plans

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/12/2002 5:43:39 PM #
I have been putting off buying a new PDA cause I'm hoping for one magical device that would be: PDA/Cell Phone/Web Access/Color/MP3 player.

I thought that the Treo color would give me all that without the MP3 player, but I didnt factor in that the web access wouldn't be unlimited like the Palm.

My normal cell phone bill is about 40 bucks a month [I dont really talk a lot on the phone] and the Palm unlimited plan is ~40 bucks a month too which comes out to 80 bucks a month.

If I get the Treo's 99.99 a month plan, I would get 1400 minutes. Since weekends are free, this leaves ~20 days a month to use the 1400 minutes.

This comes out to 70 minutes a day. Now that doesn't seem so bad, but I had some additional questions.

- Would a quick stock quote check count as one minute even though it only took a few seconds?
- Do the unlimited weekend minutes count toward my 1400?

I'm thinking that I may have to wait and hope that Sony creates an i705 clone. One of the things I like about Palm's plan is that I never have to worry if I use it too much.

RE: Analyzing the Service Plans
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/12/2002 6:04:45 PM #
I use a visorphone and am upgrading to treo. I pay 19.99 per month and will continue to do the same in the future. I get 500 weekend minutes. I get SMS notifications when I get an e-mail from several accounts by using the e-mail forwarding. It sends much of the message via SMS so you get push instant e-mail notification. I can decide if I want to dial up and POP3 it, most of the time there is no need. There is enough information in the 128 characters plus the instant notice. For stocks and stuff, I set alerts in voicestream so I get notifications based on my criteria. For on demand stock quite, you can send an SMS message for any stock or news etc and it is instantly returned. This works great for me and it's cheap. I'm very satisfied with this model and will use it with the Treo until GPRS matures and is affordable.

RE: Analyzing the Service Plans
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/12/2002 7:20:32 PM #
You can sign up for a year of Palm.net for 34.99/mo ~ and why not? Who else you gonna get service from?

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