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Update: Much more information on the m515 and m130 is now available here.

With the rumored release date of the m515 and m130 getting closer, information on these two models continues to leak out. As often happens in these cases, some of these rumors are contradictory.

A Staples employee who has provided very reliable info in the past has a sent in a scan of a Staples' ad flier scheduled for the week of March 10 - 16 that lists both these new models. The ad has the m130 listed for $280 and shows a device that looks just like the images that appeared on PDAGeek several weeks ago.

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Typo?

ralphm @ 2/25/2002 9:22:11 AM #
"The system has a listing for the m505 for $400"

That would be the m515, right?

RE: Typo?
Ed @ 2/25/2002 9:45:31 AM #
Right.

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Adjustable Light?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 9:28:17 AM #
Does anyone know if the m130 and m515 come with adjustable light like the color Clies?

RE: Adjustable Light?
Ed @ 2/25/2002 9:45:55 AM #
I don't know about the m130 but, according to the reporter I spoke with at PalmSource who said he had seen one, the m515 does have an adjustable sidelight. None of the pictures I've seen of the m130 have an icon in the silkscreen area to adjust a back or sidelight, though they do show one for a Contrast adjustment.

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RE: Adjustable Light?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 9:54:30 AM #
"None of the pictures I've seen of the m130 have an icon in the silkscreen are to adjust a back or sidelight"

huh?

RE: Adjustable Light?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 10:04:17 AM #
The m515 has an icon on the silkscreen, like the clock icon on the m50x's for brightness control, the m130 doesn't have it so it's backlight is probably not adjustable, like the current m50x's.

RE: Adjustable Light?
rolando @ 2/25/2002 10:05:46 AM #
>>"None of the pictures I've seen of the m130 have an icon in the silkscreen are to adjust a back or sidelight"

>>huh?

I think he means "silkscreen area." You know, a little picture of a Sun or something to popup the adjustment for the light/brightness.

On a Sony, it's a picture of a Sun located in the very bottom left of the silscreen area.

RE: Adjustable Light?
Ed @ 2/25/2002 10:22:30 AM #
You are correct. I changed "are" to "area" in my comment.

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RE: Adjustable Light?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 11:02:40 AM #
I'm wondering...because I looked at the Pictures Link from the article for the m130 and it shows some 1/2 moon like thingy on the upper right hand corner of the silkscreen. Would that be the adjustable light?

RE: Adjustable Light?
Ed @ 2/25/2002 11:18:09 AM #
No, that's for Contrast adjustment. Palm uses the same icon on the m500.

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RE: Adjustable Light?
pontif @ 2/25/2002 12:16:10 PM #
That is what makes me wonder if the pics aren't fake. A mono unit would have a contrast adjustment, but I've never seen a color unit with a contrast adjustment -- just brightness. Looks like someone took an m125 and pasted on a color screen and changed the lettering, without thinking about needing to change the silkscreen.

Now, was that a mistake by some graphics artist in the palm media dept, or someone else wanting to fake it, who knows.

RE: Adjustable Light?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 12:25:28 PM #
They are real photos, often these mock up photos have honest errors in that the silkscreen area etc. changes before production. On March 1 - 4 we WILL have a m130 and m515 arrive... won't be long now.

RE: Adjustable Light?
bcombee @ 2/25/2002 12:25:57 PM #
The Palm IIIc and Prism don't have brightness adjustments on the silkscreen. They both use holding down the power button to bring up the brighness adjustment dialog. Perhaps Palm kept the same arrangement for the m130.

CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
RE: Adjustable Light?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:32:27 AM #
I have a IIIxe and am seriously considering the M130 as the color Palm to hold me until the OS "6" pdas come out which is what I really want. So 2 questions.

1. What is the little icon in the upper left corner of the graffiti area if the one in the right is contrast?
2. Has any one gone from a III size screen to the smaller one on the m1xx series and found the size acceptable? I use my IIIxe for just about everything. The size looks unacceptably small but I have not had a chance to actually use one.

Thanks

RE: Adjustable Light?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 1:14:15 AM #
The icon to the left is for the clock program.

color, wireless....when?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 9:57:44 AM #
Just a question that I would like some of the more experienced to comment on. With the i705 being monochrome and the revelation that Earthlink now offers a wireless modem that I can use with my m505...do you think it is a better system to use my m505 and the Earthlink wireless service. Equivilant? And if I did do that could I depend on that system being a good thing for more than two months - that seems to be the product cycle....do any of you prognosticators (sp) see a color i705 in the offing - with a nice a case as the m505 which I happen to love - my second palm (the first was a Palm V)....

Comments appreciate - here to learn...

Tim

RE: color, wireless....when?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 10:04:31 AM #
Better check to see where you want to use that Earthlink service, as coverage is limited (and not available in -- of all places -- Earthlink's hometown of Atlanta).


RE: color, wireless....when?
vincenzosi @ 2/25/2002 10:05:30 AM #
The minute a color wireless handheld comes out I'm so there. Palm has to realize this is the Holy Grail of handhelds, and I can only imagine that at this point it isn't too far off...

Here's to hoping...

HOLY GRAIL
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 10:23:34 AM #
THE HOLY GRAIL OF HANDHELDS

16MB
16BIT Color
Great Form Factor
Built in Wireless ( Voice & Data )
Reasonable Unlimited Data Rates ( $20 - $25 a month)
Great Expansion for Peripherals
SD / MMC slot or Memory Stick, CF
Plus a reasonable price $350 - $400

That would really be the HOLY GRAIL.
Can't wait, I will be in line when that comes out.

RE: color, wireless....when?
madhatter @ 2/25/2002 10:32:40 AM #
As far as a color wireless handheld, all the technology is there with the exception of the battery. I can imagine that Sony, Handspring and even Pocket PC would love to be the first out the door to introduce a color wireless ( yes with 16mb ram and hi res screen), but the problem continues to be the fact that the color screen added to the drain of the wireless transmitter ( one that is always on I might add) would make the battery life unacceptable. You would measure it in minutes or possibly hours, not days.

People point to the cell phone technology, but from what I have read on this, the color screen is very small, and is back lite not front lite which uses way more power. (Yes I know about the Nokia phone, but look at the size... you can fit a huge battery onto that thing) It also gets a whole lot less battery life then a conventional phone. The last thing I want to do is carry a bunch of chargers or cradles around with me to recharge everything.

I use the 705 everyday, and only charge it about once per week. That is a huge factor in my decision to purchase one. Do I want color, you bet.. but not at the expense of the battery. Also remember that the i705 user is not the typical PDA user. The average battery life tests figure 20 minutes per day is average use.. I typically use my from 2-3 hours per day... yet I still get a week charge.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: color, wireless....when?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 11:58:12 AM #
It's here now. (but not palm)
(the size of a m505, PX250, GSM/GPRS via CF. all that size of a Clie)


http://www.pdafrance.com/articles/
article.php?cat=dossierdivers&id=108&p=10

RE: color, wireless....when?
Solo @ 2/25/2002 12:35:00 PM #
If that machine comes out before a Palm OS does something equivalent... I think I'll switch religion...

I cannot believe they packed so much thing in that form factor. Only the battery question remains, but it doesn't seem too bad. Plus the absence of Bluetooth.

I want a strongArm processor... nowwwwww



RE: color, wireless....when?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 12:41:35 PM #
Having been a user of both, the coverage and response on the Palm Network is better than the earthlink version. CDPD tends to get very slow around rush hour as it shares spectrum with Cell phones. The second practical issue is managing two batteries. One piece beats a two piece anyday. From a monthly cost perspective you will probably do better with an integrated cell phone. Add $40 to your phone bill to see how many extra minutes you could get. I have had the Kyocera and the Visorphone. I was happier with both than the old Palm VII. Both have some version of always on with SMS alerts or in the CDMA case (faux) sms.

Hope it helps

RE: color, wireless....when?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 5:01:49 PM #
Better get ready to change religion right now than. Most 400mHz PPC machine will be announced out in april/may and goes on sale by summer or so. Since PX250 is actually simpler to design compare to SA1100 expect thinner/cheaper/more attractive machines coming out soon.

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This Hitachi PX250 will start going on sale in Japan in April. (It has built in WiFi)

http://www.hitachi.co.jp/Prod/
vims/netpda/eng/index.html

more pictures. (japanese ZDnet)

http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/0202/19/n_photo.html

Give up on the ''Holy Grail''
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 5:10:54 PM #
You need to check out the Michael Mace interview at pdabuzz.com. In it, he essentially tells all you dreamers who want the "ultimate PDA" and who pine on about "killer apps" that you're fool of hoo-hah. Mace states clearly that there is NO "ultimate PDA" and that Palm seeks to allow its OS to be as open as possible--meaning different licensees can make PDAs geared toward their main customers. A novel idea - there is no "best," there's simply "best for you." Which will, of course, mean those of you who have to argue about this silly topic will have to get a life.

Surely there will come a time when your ideal PDA will happen, given PalmSource's strategy. But I for one would appreciate it if you would SHUT UP and just wait for it to be released, or at least TELL A COMPANY this is what you seek instead of rambling on about it here.

RE: color, wireless....when?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 5:31:11 PM #
what a stupid idea.

The PDA that can do the most at the cheapest price win! Yes you've heard it right. More features/capabilities per dollar is good thing. Palm is playing "simplicity/zen- who needs it" spiele albeit more subtle again, this is because of their technical inadequacy.

I wanna see Palm make thinner Arm-based PDA with built in Bluetooth or Wifi plus CF and SD than the japanese giants like Toshiba/Hitachi.

And OS side I wanna see Palm implement real memory management, robust driver system, and GAPI like comands.

can we browse HTML 4.0 yet?

yeah.......good luck. all this has to happen before next summer when the CE4.0(.net) is announced.

perfect PDA my foot. how about a real improved m505 for once..? (new paint job and Naked Jordan version won't do it of course)

RE: color, wireless....when?
rigter @ 2/26/2002 3:33:08 AM #
I do agree with the previous poster... a bit.
I think the 'perfect handheld' is not some futuristic idea. It can be done.

All handheld manufacturers are in the business because they want to make money selling pda's.
Simple rule: make a good handheld that people actually want and you will sell handhelds.

The m515 is an example of this rule. The m505 is not what people wanted, at least not a lot of them. And with competition around like Sony you've got to do something, right?
The Visor Pro is another example - I think anyway - of a handheld that should have been released a year ago. Looking at a Visor Pro, I see a Deluxe with 8 mb extra, sort of...

Hardware manufacturers are always juggling with more gizmo's and gadgets on one side and cost of development and production on the other. And don't forget time to market. To me, the 505 is an example of Palm underestimating the market and relying on their superior form factor too much.

With the new Palm model and the current and upcoming Sony models there are some pretty high tech machines available. They cover MOST of the demands of MOST of the power users out there. Expansion options should do the rest.
Get the one that gets closest to your perfect pda and let the expansion cards do the rest.
Hmmm.... maybe I should get a HandEra.....

Cheers,
Jan

RE: color, wireless....when?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:03:23 PM #
wow. that new color samsung H1330(from the link a few comments back) looks awesome! Could be a nice improvement on their I300. the first i've seen to use the new 66mhz dragonball (which is nice interim technology until the arm based palmOS 5.0 machines hit the streets in 6-9 months). Also, for everyone looking for more color wireless PalmOS pdas - Handspring is going to release a color treo soon - so we wont have much longer to wait. Soon, all of this will become standard.

Yes, palm M515 has a brighter screen, 16 Mb and OS 4.1

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 11:04:04 AM #
I had the oportunity to see a M515 unit . The unit has a button on the right side of the pad and 3 position for backlight: off, low and high. It comes with OS 4.1, 16 Mb on board and a better screen than m505. Also an improved VFS in OS 4.1 which allow better use of MMC/SD CARD.


RE: Yes, palm M515 has a brighter screen, 16 Mb and OS 4.1
rperalta @ 2/25/2002 12:51:54 PM #
Where did you see the m515? I though it would not be out until March 4th.

BOBSKY

RE: Yes, palm M515 has a brighter screen, 16 Mb and OS 4.1
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:10:23 PM #
Troll Alert!

RE: Yes, palm M515 has a brighter screen, 16 Mb and OS 4.1
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:36:54 PM #
Let's hope your right and the Staples ad was just a cut and paste job by someone who didn't know the difference.

RE: Yes, palm M515 has a brighter screen, 16 Mb and OS 4.1
Ed @ 2/25/2002 2:20:29 PM #
Don't be too quick to judge. I've just gotten my hands on info that agrees with this. There'll be another m515 and m130 article tomorrow with the new info.

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RE: Yes, palm M515 has a brighter screen, 16 Mb and OS 4.1
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 2:25:18 PM #
Coolness...can't wait to read it tomorrow. Thanks Ed!

RE: Yes, palm M515 has a brighter screen, 16 Mb and OS 4.1
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 3:05:06 PM #
Thanks Ed for your kind words... I really saw a m515 and initially I was ready to provide you a REAL photo of the unit, but after all of "troll alert" words, I change my mind...
The following days will reveal the truth :-)))
Dixit...

M130 looking more and more like an Apple iBook...

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 11:47:19 AM #
RTA
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 12:04:13 PM #
Did anyone see that? Only everyone who read the article. There's a link to that same picture in the fourth paragraph.

Type of Screen on m130

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 11:53:59 AM #
I haven't seen any mention yet of whether the 130 will use the reflective screen of the M505 or the backlit screen of the IIIc (presumably not the TFT screens of the Sony T6x series). Anybody know?

RE: Type of Screen on m130
ColonelKlink @ 2/25/2002 12:02:19 PM #
It looks as if it's a transflective screen, like the t615.

RE: Type of Screen on m130
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 2:25:21 PM #
The 515 comes with this screen but the 130 is some kind of mix of the two.

RE: Type of Screen on m130
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 8:39:18 PM #
WTF? How can it be a mix of the 2?!

I love people nearly almost trying to pretend they have a clue...

RE: Type of Screen on m130
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 10:58:35 PM #
By "mix of the two" I think he meant transflective, which - the way I have always understood it and the way it appears on the Clie T6x - is that the screen is essentially translucent, so that it can take advantage of ambient light (ie, reflective) and can be (and is) backlit as well. Supposedly this makes TFT superior to reflective, although my side-by-side comparison of the N760c and the T615c in CompUSA showed no real difference (I seem to be one of the few with that opinion, however). Anyway, I find it really hard to believe that the m130 will be TFT while the m515 will keep the m505's reflective screen.

m130 and m515

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 12:20:45 PM #
What is the main difference between m130 and
m515, other than the memory size?

I am considering getting a T615.
Now with BlueTooth available, I am going
to get a Palm instead.

ted

RE: m130 and m515
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:02:26 PM #
> What is the main difference between m130 and
> m515, other than the memory size?

The m130 will be chunkier, with a possibly different screen and, possibly important for you, the SD slot is mounted on the side of the unit, so it will be pretty hard to hold with the antenna sticking out.

Ian Davenport

RE: m130 and m515
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:38:34 PM #
Thanks. I am wonderring if the side SD slot
would affect BT's range.

I am interested in BT games. And this is indeed
a factor.

ted

M130 vs m515
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 2:01:13 PM #
As far as I can tell the differences between the m130 and the m515 are:

1) 8MB vs 16MB
2) Form Factor
3) Bigger screen on m515**
4) $280 vs. $400

** not to be confused with hi-res.

Hmm. I really dislike the incredibly small screens on the m100 series. I would pay the extra money if I had to choose betwen those two units. Except I bought a Clie 760c.

RE: m130 and m515
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 4:51:28 PM #
Clie 760 is great except it is a little bulky for me.
So I was planning to get a T615.

I wish Sony has a BT MS card now.

RE: Clie & Palm?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 10:31:40 PM #
Hi,I have been a Palm user for few years.I have both Palm and Visor , currently I was thinking of getting a Sony T615C,but I read some article from PenComputing which says Sony's Palm Desktop only hoySynce with CLIE, which means, if I want to change back to a Palm or Handspring, it will not be able to hotSync. Is that true?

RE: m130 and m515
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:08:48 AM #
That's not true at all. You can use Palm Desktop with Clie w/o any problem.

RE: m130 and m515
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 10:07:18 AM #
> Thanks. I am wonderring if the side SD slot
> would affect BT's range.

I wouldn't imagine so; the internal antenna has to be pretty omnidirectional. I've been playing with this card this morning with an m505/T39 combination, and it seems pretty good at different orientations.

Ian Davenport

Ed, you didn't mention the most fascinating fact

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:00:44 PM #
m135 arrives with a built-in Litium-Ion battery! no more AAA!

Go Palm Go!!!

Adam Tzeit
www.Palmi.co.il, Editor in-Chief



RE: Ed, you didn't mention the most fascinating fact
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 6:08:49 PM #
In some situation, AAA is preferred.

Think about this situation:
You has a Palm with GPS in a forest.
How long can you last if you have a rechargable battery?

It might not long enough for you to feel comfortable. :-)

Well. I make GPS software. So I wish all Palms
comes with AAA batteries. :-)

ted

m135?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 11:49:28 PM #
is that a mistake, is it called m130 or m135....ahh what the hell difference does it make anyways...

RE: Ed, you didn't mention the most fascinating fact
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 9:40:18 AM #
M135?
Is that the model with dual slots, hi-res, 66 MZ processor, new speaker, and 16 meg?
I want it.
And the poster in th other reply above who doesn't want me to write about what I hope to see before I buy can just skip this post if he doesn't want to read it.

Or he can call me a troll or an idiot if that makes him happy. But I am not going to just stop posting.
-Timothy Rapson-

RE: Ed, you didn't mention the most fascinating fact
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 9:51:05 AM #
Re: This comment above:
(under the title "Give up on the Holy Grail"
"Surely there will come a time when your ideal PDA will happen, given PalmSource's strategy. But I for one would appreciate it if you would SHUT UP and just wait for it to be released, or at least TELL A COMPANY this is what you seek instead of rambling on about it here."


You don't have to read here. If you don't like to read the hopes, you don't even have to be rude or write to any company about a better place to read and write. Just go away if you don't like it here.

Nope, probably too simple for ya'

-Timothy Rapson-

No mention of hi res screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:12:12 PM #
I hear no rumors about the resolution of the screen. Just brighter. Has anyone heard anything about the screen having the same 160x160 or is this new M515 going hi res? Or is hi res going to the OS5 units.

Roy Caban

RE: No mention of hi res screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:43:37 PM #
Palm indeed has said they won't go hi-res until OS5, I personally think 160x160 is still just fine.

Bigs

RE: No mention of hi res screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:45:51 PM #
HaHaHaHaHiRes?

You must be joking.

RE: No mention of hi res screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:47:44 PM #
From what I've been reading, m515 is the same as m505 except for the following:

16 megs of RAM
Brighter Display (configurable)
Fix for SUDS problem



RE: No mention of hi res screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 4:30:58 PM #
Palm will not produce 320x320 hardware until their fall OS 5 ARM units arrive. It is likely all ARM units delivered by Palm will be color and 320x320 (as well as for Sony) and that they will continue to produce the m1xx line with OS 4.x and color and B&W versions at the same time.

the week of march 13....i told ya

PalmProof @ 2/25/2002 1:45:33 PM #
Hate to say it, but I told ya so......about 2 months ago...

RE: the week of march 13....i told ya
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 1:49:46 PM #
If that Staples ad for the m130 is true, this is not a bad price. Looks like it's going to be a good seller.

RE: the week of march 13....i told ya
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 2:58:52 PM #
hey palmproof - what do you want - a cookie?

RE: the week of march 13....i told ya
PalmProof @ 2/25/2002 4:33:33 PM #
nope....i'll just keep my free palm ;-)

Palm should think like Audi...

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 2:35:20 PM #
New Audi Ad Campaign:

Never give up.
Never rest on your laurels.
Never quit.
Never do the unexpected.
Never think great is good enough.
Never follow.

RE: Palm should think like Audi...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 2:37:05 PM #
sorry - that should have been "Never do the expected".

RE: Palm should think like Audi...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 4:07:55 PM #
Audi should add...
"Never design a car with the brake pedal too close to the gas pedal, that causes people to hit the wrong one, thus creating a media sensation and hurting your company for years."

RE: Palm should think like Audi...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 6:09:56 PM #
Or maybe those stupid people need to learn which pedal is which.

RE: Palm should think like Audi...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 6:32:40 AM #
Audi should add...
"Never design a car with the brake pedal too close to the gas pedal, that causes people to hit the wrong one, thus creating a media sensation and hurting your company for years."

----------------

NO, They should add:

Not for people with big feet

RE: Palm should think like Audi...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 7:00:34 AM #
Funny, unintended acceleration only happened in the US, it was not a case of people not knowing what pedal
to press but then again where most people cannot tell the difference between their arse and
elbow what do you expect, you should spend less time reading consumer reports and more time
seeing the truth.

RE: Palm should think like Audi...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 8:34:23 AM #
How about not bashing the United States and the American people, OK? We are the leader of the free world and without us you would not live so safe, fat, and happy. You're welcome.

RE: Palm should think like Audi...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 8:51:53 AM #
Hmmm... If memory serves me right, didn't the NTSB (an *American* agency, no?) decide that the "unintended acceleration" thing was due to driver error? Thought I read about that in "Car & Driver" about 5 years ago.


RE: Palm should think like Audi...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:21:05 PM #
I'm Canadian and have decided to officiate between you arrogant europeans and the 'we think we are saving the world' americans.

My officating goes like this:

Shut the f*** up - this is a Palm site!

blueT?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 2:50:14 PM #
do any of this have blueT built in?
if so when are they here in europe? - it might be a treo killer - hello palm ! are you listening `?

RE: blueT?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 4:14:02 PM #
you can get the blue T615 online.

RE: blueT?
Dearman @ 2/25/2002 4:48:57 PM #
I belive he meant blue tooth PAN

RE: blueT?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 5:26:12 PM #
I know! ;)

RE: blueT?
rigter @ 2/26/2002 4:31:33 AM #
LOL

But this guy could be right, you know.
GPRS networks are operational today and phone companies start offering data transmission on top of a normal account.
Phones are available that have this capability built in. And it won't be long before all phones will have it built in.

Bluetooth is the *only* missing link there.

Cheers,
Jan

/*
As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.
*/

These will be BIG hits for palm.

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 2:38:52 PM #
With the worldwide marketing power that palm has over many of its competitors, they will sell tons of M130 and M515. $280 for the M130 is not bad at all considering it has a pretty nice form factor, rechargeable Li-Ion, SD/MMC, and the ever popular interchangeable color faceplates.

For me, the M515 is going to be the best choice. The availability of tons of existing peripherals such as storage cases, keyboards, modems, styli, etc. makes the M515 a very formidabble PDA. As long as the battery life doesn't suffer too much from the stronger front light.

Another killer item that's going to help propel these two PDA into stardom is the coming Bluetooth SD card. Yes I know it sticks out and all that but with the right carrying case for the PDA, the Bluetooth SD can be stored in a slot until needed. Say you want to print something on a bluetooth enabled printer, you just pop the card in, send the item to print, pop the card out, Piece-O-Cake. Same for online access with a Bluetooth cell phone.

Simply put, these two PDA are going to sell like hotcakes.

P.S. Ed I can't wait to see your review of these two products. I am accessing this site at least 4 times a day. I think I'm becoming addicted to it. THANKS ED.

RE: These will be BIG hits for palm.
sandbuck @ 2/25/2002 8:04:42 PM #
This site is very addicting. I feel like the monkey going back over and over for the cocaine at times.

RE: These will be BIG hits for palm.
rigter @ 2/26/2002 4:01:55 AM #
Yes, this site should have some sort of a label, a sticker of some kind.
It should be labeled as being very addictive, good for your health and bad for your wallet.

Cheers,
Jan

RE: These will be BIG hits for palm.
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 8:43:05 AM #
Anytime new products come out this site goes mad and myself with it. During PalmSource I clicked on this link every hour.

Maybe

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 3:34:32 PM #
has anyone really look at that pic in detail, i dont think it would be very hard to forge somthing like that, i aint saying tis fake, i am just saying consider it. It is not a very hard are to make, if u have basic knowledge of photo editing.

RE: Maybe
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 4:11:02 PM #
so are you saying that the m130 doesnt exist?

m130 limited ''Relax'' edition spotted in France

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 4:09:27 PM #
Today I received some publicity from the french FNAC store, in which they show a Palm 130 limited "Relax" edition. The device looks the same as the picture on the israelian site, the only difference is the running app (a color BackGammon instead of slideshow-to-go).

"Relax" refers to a 30MB SD card filled with games, which costs 1 Euro.

The device supports 65.525 colors, has 8MB, runs PalmOS4.1, and costs 389 Euros (about $350? a _lot_ more expensive than in the US!)

RE: m130 limited ''Relax'' edition spotted in France
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 5:32:39 PM #
I forgot to add that there's a charger bundled with the unit, so it must have a rechargeable battery too.


RE: m130 limited ''Relax'' edition spotted in France
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 7:55:26 PM #
1 Euro for a 30MB Card full of Games???

no more blue palm M505

Dearman @ 2/25/2002 4:20:08 PM #
did anyone notice the blue m505 is gone from palm's site? is this some portent of the M515's arrival?
we'll see

Noctrop_d@yahoo.com

if I flush will you go away

RE: Yes, palm M515 has a brighter screen, 16 Mb and OS 4.1
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 6:12:37 PM #
Blue m505 is end of life. Currently we have 64 of them in stock and after that so long. That's why it's a limited edition.

~Palm Sales Team (1-800-881-7256)


BTW - the M515 and M130 are gonna kill all.

RE: Yes, palm M515 has a brighter screen, 16 Mb and OS 4.1
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 7:41:59 PM #
And the regular M505 will be discontinued on Monday.

The Palm M500

Fzara2000 @ 2/25/2002 8:16:51 PM #
As usual, Palm has not announced any news, concerning any of these new PDA's.
I would also like to know, why there is no new upgrade for the M500. The m125 is extremely new, so I'm not sure why they would upgrade that. THe m500 came out last year, about March...It still has an 8MB screen, and it is still a piece of junk.
For the M515...cheesy name, I might add, but for a new PDA with a brighter screen, but no high res...Its not worth it. Go with the Sony instead. In addition, I wonder truly if the M515 will need another modem or different software/hardware. Hey, the Vx was totally different than the M500.
Fzara

Palm sucks!
My M500 is horrible!
RE: The Palm M500
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:04:44 AM #

"For the M515...cheesy name, I might add,"

Yeah, sure it's a really bad name, maybe they should have called it the "Fzara2000"....

MAN ALIVE... WHERE DO YOU TWITS COME FROM?


RE: The Palm M500
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 6:35:16 AM #
M505 is cheesy, so go with the Sony instead...

well, PEG-T615 is such a wonderful name...

Wondering too where you TWITS come from

On a sidenote...

Fzara2000 @ 2/25/2002 8:21:32 PM #
On a sidenote, does anyone know how to clean the M500? I have dust particles in the screen, and I'm not sure on how to get them out. Cleaning the screen, doesn't work, and theres still a couple dust particles somehow stuck in the screen.
Thanks!
Fzara

Palm sucks!
My M500 is horrible!
RE: On a sidenote...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/25/2002 10:51:22 PM #
I agree. I was a palm faithful for many years yet I was very disappointed with the 505 and 500 (which I had). I switched to the t615 for the screen. That's it, the clie has a much better screen. Although I am disappointed with the add-ons, I enjoy being able to read everything crystal clear.

No confidence in palm

RE: On a sidenote...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:08:01 AM #
Wow, the idiot Fzara strikes agian...you come to this site to ask how to clean your screen, come on man...what, do you go to Charmin.com to ask how to clean your ass...

RE: On a sidenote...
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:41:46 AM #
LOL!!! OMG, that was the best laugh I've had in a long time! Thanks so much!

RE: On a sidenote...
Bartman007 @ 2/26/2002 2:07:19 AM #
Damn anonymous jackasses. Before you reply out of your ass please read the post...

Ad Photos Questionable

SuccessWizard @ 2/25/2002 10:05:08 PM #
I looked at the "Staples" ad photos and the m515 is a m505 -- you can clearly see the "0" when you examine the photo. The model in the m515 photo also does NOT show a brightness adjustment button in the graffiti area like every other Palm unit that has one. Now, that may just be the lack of advanced clip art for a new product, but, it is a little questionable.

Mike Lohsl
Palm & ACT! Advisor

www.successwizard.com

RE: Ad Photos Questionable
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:23:57 AM #
If you read the blurb. . . that is exactly what Ed said.

Very observant of you.

RE: Ad Photos Questionable
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:45:14 AM #
Mike, I thought he said there would be like a "switch" thing to change the brightness.

RE: Ad Photos Questionable
rigter @ 2/26/2002 4:07:55 AM #
I would like to add something to the answers so far.

Taking pictures of pda's with their screens on is difficult at best. Either you get the screen right or you get the unit right. Usually not together.
Look at any review of any unit that has 'live' pictures. Reviewers usually try to compare units by taking pictures of them together. Lousy pictures (sorry Ed) that only show the desired feature but wouldn't work for an ad.

That is why most (all?) ads have manipulated pictures in them. Usually the unit and the screen are photographed separately and pasted together afterwards. Some manufacturers even mention the fact on their site, Sony does.

With preproduction models this is a common source of errors as Ed pointed out ealier. Features are still missing or do not resemble the actual production unit.

Cheers,
Jan

Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 12:54:28 AM #
I have bounced around in my PDA's, and most recently I have the 615 and have never been happier. I have had a Palm IIIxe, IIIe, M505, Visor Prism, Clie 320, and even an Ipaq! But this Sony 615 is awesome. It has a BEAUTIFUL screen. And as far as the m515 goes, I think as long as they are only on 160x160 res, they are BEHIND! The Clie is available NOW, and has the 16mb, better screen, AND the extra resolution. And it is suprisingly light and thin, yet feels very solid and well made!

I realize that many people get devoted to ONE or THE OTHER. But take it from me, someone who has had a few models- you deserve to at least go check out the Sony 615 before deciding to wait for this m515. Personally I think Palm is just a joke now as far as hardware goes. But hey that's just my .02 :)

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 2:00:32 AM #
another convert to Clie Evangelism

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 2:54:02 AM #
Well, since this thread is supposed to be about upcoming Palm products, maybe your post should be to an appropriate forum instead of here.

Yes, I remember that the CLIE is clearly the superior product, etc, etc, etc ... (because you have told us a thousand times already) but I'm just reading this thread to see what else is happening in the Palm Universe.

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 2:56:21 AM #
SSSHHHhhhh.... don't say it so loud, it'll hurt the Palm INC. fans, or Sony Basher, or maybe even a few Visor zealots.

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 3:01:02 AM #
In case anyone reads the Comment section of the news for news, here are the news that happened in the last few months

1) Clie T615c Released
2) Handsprinf executives announced they'll eventually stop the Visor line product
3) CEO of Handspring says the spokes person didn't mean what she said (she was on drug)
4) Treo released
5) Palm Source
6) annouce of Palm OS 5
7) Sony shows prototype of next Clie

ANYONE READING THE COMMENT SECTION FOR NEWS !? .... Oh well seems I am wasting my time :)

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 3:07:47 AM #
I, too, bought the 615C and am VERY impressed with the device.

However, mine went south (it just up and died on me). :(

I've discovered that all the rumors are true; Sony Support SUCKS. It's going to take two to three WEEKS to get my device repaired and sent back to me, with *NO* option for an advanced exchange. And a good bit of this time is a)verifying my purchase via a fax of my receipt (Geez, the device has been out less than two months, and I STILL have to prove its under a 1 yr warranty???) and b)I was told 2-5 working days JUST TO GET ME A BOX TO SEND IT IN.

If this was Palm, I'd have the option to pay a little extra, and have a replacement unit TOMORROW. And their turn-around time on repairs is DAYS, not weeks.

Sony lovers (and I'm one of them!)... Love Sony while your unit works, but if it breaks and needs repair, we're not sitting in the best boat. :(

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 3:41:38 AM #
LoL I don't even live in US, could you please evaluate the Customer support in areas outside of US for me ?? Like Japane, Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong ?

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 3:44:19 AM #
To the Sony Army:

Here is a template you can use when posting to this site (because we would not want you to get RSI now, would we):

"I had a [PALM/VISOR/WHATEVER] for many years. I dumped it because [INSERT COMPLAINT, TRUTH IS OPTIONAL]. I replaced it with a Clie [INSERT MODEL NUMBER, WHETHER OBSOLETE OR NOT] and, boy, am I happy. I love my Clie because [REFER TO ANY GIMMICK]. Palm has no innovation [DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, MENTION THE FACT THAT SONY COPIES PALM].

[PALM/VISOR/WHATEVER] sux."


RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 3:52:41 AM #
Explain to me the logic of someone from outside the US asking how support outside the US is? Shouldn't they know?

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
fkclo @ 2/26/2002 4:58:11 AM #
Inside or outside US, a lot of users won't factor the support / service in the purchase decision. I was told Sony in Hong Kong is equally sluggish in supporting its Clies.

Palm has been doing a reasonably good job in dealing with repair service in Hong Kong, but I guess the best award goes to PacRim - the dealer of Handspring in Hong Kong - they will make you happy in 30 minutes - either fix the problem, or give you a refurbished unit. I didn't believe it at first, but when I toasted my Visor Pro (because of an apparent faulty PowerPlug), I put PacRim's service to the test, and yes, they give me an almost new replacement !

This is what we callled support for a product we all depend on - day in, day out.

I am not sure the situation elsewhere, but Handspring service in top class in Hong Kong.

Francis Lo, HKG

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 4:59:23 AM #
Nea, I just saw people giving buying advice for other people, so I think he probably know everything about sony, coz he came off sounds like one of those internet-know-it-all people.

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 5:00:56 AM #
"I had a [VISOR] for many years. I dumped it because [the company is going down]. I replaced it with a Clie [S320] and, boy, am I happy. I love my Clie because [The company is not going under anytime soon]. Palm has no innovation [because they just copied from newton, but too bad they totally failed miserably].

"I had a [PALM] for many years. I dumped it because [I just don't liek palm that much]. I replaced it with a Newton [2100] and, boy, am I happy. I love my Newton because [Palm is just a Newton rip off]. Palm has no innovation [Just like M$, after so many years of trying still failed to copy, all you need to do is copy, how hard is that palm ?? are you guys retarded over there ??].

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 7:54:11 AM #
I see a lot of Palm die hard feeling jealous and frustrated that their beloved Palm Inc is loosing to a licensee(s) in terms of hardware superiority. Continue to support your Palm Inc, endorsing them to come out with inferior products and charge you big time. Supporting the inferior products will only delay waking them up to reality to get their act together to "fight" the competition with better products. Remember, we are a small minority here (those who read and post at forums), the majority WILL see the difference sooner and later and start buying the better products. That is true for all vendors, not just Palm.

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 7:58:50 AM #
I'm in the market for my first palm device and I've been reading this sight for the past month. I'm really torn between the M515 (assuming it's what everyone says and not just myth) and the Sony T615. The biggest thing holding me back from the Sony (besides lack of add-ons and use of the Memory Stick)is the attitude of most of the Sony owners on this sight.

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 8:08:14 AM #
I think you have more money than sense, unless of course you get them for free. :)


RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 8:25:29 AM #
The HI-RES 320x320 is nice because many programs offer a compressed view (Tiny Sheet) that allows you to shrink the screen and view so much more on the same size screen. Seeing a spreadhseet in condensed HI-RES mode with the Clie and Tiny Sheet 4 is cool. I think many Clie-Bashers have never seen this. It's awesome to be able to have 4x as many spreadsheet cells on the same screen. Photos are so much better too. if you don't do Spreadhseet, Photos, I guess Hi_res is not important.

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 8:30:32 AM #

Here's the Tiny Sheet COLOR HI-RES link so you can see a pic of it in action:

http://www.iambic.com/english/palmos/tinysheet/features.html#highres



RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 9:02:45 AM #
I don't understand what one thinks is so impressive about squeezing a bunch more data into an area even smaller than the m515's screen. It already looks tiny on my fairly hi-res Sony monitor, and I can't imagine it squeezed down to the small screeon on the Sonys.

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 9:11:02 AM #
"The biggest thing holding me back from the Sony (besides lack of add-ons and use of the Memory Stick)is the attitude of most of the Sony owners on this sight."

But, the attitude problem seems to be with the site. This site has the highest volume of negative posters I've ever seen.



RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 9:48:55 AM #
Do Iambic supply free magnifying glasses with their program for use on a Sony hi-res? I mean, pleeease, it's so tiny it's almost laughable. It would screw my eyes up in minutes!

RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 10:03:54 AM #
"I'm in the market for my first palm device and I've been reading this sight for the past month. I'm really torn between the M515 (assuming it's what everyone says and not just myth) and the Sony T615. The biggest thing holding me back from the Sony (besides lack of add-ons and use of the Memory Stick)is the attitude of most of the Sony owners on this sight."

I really don't think all Sony owners have a bad attitude but I would like some feedback on which people feel is a bigger issue. Lack of add-ons for the Sony T615 or lack of hi-res for the Palm M515.

Thanks,
TLP


RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 10:50:49 AM #
"The biggest thing holding me back from the Sony (besides lack of add-ons and use of the Memory Stick)is the attitude of most of the Sony owners on this sight."

If you check other Clie forums you will notice that more add-ons are becoming available, the T615 was just released last month so give them some time

You can buy two 128 MB Memory Sticks at Amazon for $99!!!! and its a better format!

Regarding your last point, once you use a T615 youll understand.


RE: Haven't you guys seen the Sony 615?
I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 5:39:13 PM #
All the people getting worked up in the sony / palm debate in this thread are all complete morons. THEY RUN THE SAME OS! 'Sony is just copying Palm' What? are you an idiot? We dont hear anyone saying 'Compaq is just copying Microsoft'? Yeah, i know the situation is slightly different cause MS doesnt make PC harware, but Palm is now 2 COMPANIES - PalmSource (the OS guys) and Palm Inc (the hardware guys). Within the hardware restrictions of the OS, WSony is certainly not 'copying palm' as Palm doesnt make 320 x 320 color screen devices with 16MB of ram, xtended IR range, and sony memory sticks. Palm specs are different (yeah - i know the new 515 is going to have 16MB aswell).

My point is this -> you are worse then idiots wasting their breath arguing the 'Linux vs Windows' or Mac vs Windows' - you are much closer to the (even dumber)'HP vs Gateway vs Dell vs IBM vs Compaq'. Grow the hell up. I have no loyalty to any of these companies - just the OS because i believe it is a less bloated, more practical and elegant interface/OS then PocketPC.

Its simple fact:
- for the moment, Sony specs are better. Period.
- Palm support is better. Period.

decide what you want, based on these facts, and shut the hell up.

typo

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 9:25:03 AM #
Ed-

Thanks for the great info posted on this site. I must say it is one of the best Palm sites on the net.

BTW, I noticed a typo in the body of the article. 2nd paragraph...

A Staples employee who has provided very "relieable"-- should read "reliable".

March 4

I.M. Anonymous @ 2/26/2002 10:30:40 AM #
Does March 4 mean they will be for sale in stores/on web March 4 or simply that Palm officially announces them on March 4 - but to be sold at a later date?

RE: March 4
Ed @ 2/26/2002 11:09:17 AM #
They will be announced and available on March 4. You can read the latest and greatest info on these two models here:

www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3059

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