Comments on: Palm m515 Comparison Pictures

Just to respond to the anticipated comments. My wife will be using the 505 (moving from my 3 year old Palm V8 which was suffering under her abuse). I got the m515, as opposed to any other Palm OS device, becuase have not intention of buying a whole new set of accessories.

Anyway, the 515 is identical to the 505 is everyway accept for the following: (1) the graffiti area in not backlit; (2) the graffiti area has a little sun icon in the top right corner for brightness control; (3) the screens brightness can be changed from off, to low, to high using the brightness control; (4) the 515 has, actually, 15.7MB of available RAM.

I cannot comment on the software package that came with it because I have not installed any of it yet. The package does include two books (a Jeffrey Deaver novel and a Star Trek S.C.E novel) according to the packing.

My preliminary use since last night seems to indicate the following: (1) the brightness on the low setting is brighter than the 505s and the high setting is much brighter; (2) the casing does not appear to be darker on the 515 (but the 'm515' on the case is bigger than the 'm505' on the 505 casing), the finish seems the same; (3) the screen refresh on the 515 seems to be faster; (4) the battery life seems to be just as good as the 505s, in fact, it may be better.

As to battery life (which I believe was the question), I restored the 515 from my m505s backup on a card, once the restore was complete and I attempted to return to the launcher, the 515 immediately crashed. It took me about 3 and a half hours of troubleshooting to discover that the problem was the PPK driver which was causing the problem whether activated or not (don't know why this was, maybe the backup/restore corrupted it). During this time I kept the screen on the high setting, was using the card regularly, resetting the device every few minutes, moving programs to and from the card, deleting programs and did a full restore. The battery was about half drained after this time. This is much better performance than I got from the 505. The charge time appears to be about the same too, it took a little more than an hour to get a full charge from a state where it would not come on at all (the first rechargeable Palm I have had that did not have some charge out of the box, btw).

Do I infer from this that you managed to get the PPK working eventually? I read elsewhere that someone else had problems using it with the m515.

I deleted the driver that was installed from the backup and replaced it with a fresh copy from my hard drive and it worked the way it was supposed too.

-Jon

I was fortunate enough to have dumped my 505 yesterday afternoon for only $100 less than I bought it for.

I was at a staples store in Ontario and they do not ahve the 515 out, but still have the 505 with a specail offer for a 16mb card. Can you imagine your anger if you bought a 505 more than 30 days ago and you find out that the 515 is the same price and is what you 505 should have been?

I am curious to see the 515 for interest sake only, but I think I am going to jump over to the sony 615c for now - I have always bought palm, but due to the fact that I felt like I was ripped off now that the 515 is on the shelfs, I can't buy another one right now. I will wait to go back when they improve th hardware.

I never had a big concern about the screen, but I was always looking at the hi-res sonys- they are very nice.

For those in Canada that can't wait for the possibility that sony will get the 615c into the canadian market - checkout borderfree.com - or go directly to ecost.com. They take care of all the duty etc. and on many items it is cheaper or at least the same. This is where I am going to get the 615c from - thye have free shipping till March 8/02 - except you have to wait for up to 2weeks - still might be quicker than waiting for sony.

Does anyone know if sony is going to bring the 615 to canada?

That's correct, the 505 and 515 will have a more noticable space because the pixel gaps are larger, but they are actually gray instead of black. This is also why they are not as noticable on the Sony... the higher pixel density also has tighter gaps between the pixels. Of course, it is also why the earlier color Sony's turned brownish in direct sunlight, more gridlines! Of course I have not seen the t615 in sunlight yet, and knowing Sony, they probably fixed this.

Thanks!

They are using borderfree.com to "process" and "handle" the orders. I have researched for a couple of weeks now, and have found no reason not to order from them. Read the policies.

Remember that it could take up to 2 weeks to get your order (stay with the free shipping - available to canada till march 8/02 - if you get express its $35).

the price on this unit to your door is less than going to buy a 515 in a canadian retailer. The only problem with this one is product is that you cant compare the price to, becasue it is not availble here yet. However it seems ok.

If you are looking for the N760 - it works out cheaper, except for the wait.

I will order mine later this week.

Post your email if you want and Iwill let you know whn I order and how long it takes,

I am in ontario.

Then only worry i have is they do have a no return/exchange policy, which I suppose is.."reasonable" given they do charge less especially for shipping to canada. My only other worry is going for the 2 week shipment.. which likely would be Canada Postal Services?

The extra 8MB of RAM for the same price with the extra backlight setting is enough for me.

I have made an annual purchase for hardware the last few from the III, e, xe, 505 and now the 515.

My big question is whether or not I should forgo color and buy the i705...

Nah... I'll just finish my 802.11b netowkr at home and buy a matching sled!

Just looking for clarification and hopefully screenshots.

I suspect that the m130's screen is a transflective one rather than the reflective screens on the m505 and m515. But that's just an educated guess.

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Now I'm just wondering about the color accuracy since the Clie 615 which also uses a transflective screen has porblems with certain colors.

I'm using a m505 right now but since I mainly use this indoors I'm considering a switch.

Where are the m130 owners with Digi-cams?

Having said that, I can tell you that I an "arrest worthy" comparison between all the models after I got out of work yesterday.

The m130 is transflective/backlit. It is the BEST screen ever offered by Palm. It is even a *shade* brighter than the m515.

More importantly, its colors are unbleievable.....my lord, the Red coloring on the HotSync icon is truly RED again!! Not blood-red, not maroon, but RED RED RED.

Too bad it's only available on the mid-range model.

I'm not going to bash Palm, as it doesn't take a Master Degree in Production to tell that it made more sense to move the sidelight upwards from the bottom of the unit (on the m505) to the actual bottom of the screen (on the m515), crank the voltage a bit, and call it a day.

Profit wise, that made the most sense.

I look forward to their future models that will have the m130's awesome screen. I can only imagine how sweet it would be to have a high-res screen (like the Clie's) with the color accuracy of the m130s.

Unbelievable.

*** Additionally, for future color Treo enthusiasts that are worried about the potentially smaller screen (the Treo is actually smaller than an m505), if this screen is any indication that a bright backlight and more pure colors make the difference, then you should be set. Seriously.

I could actually READ everything on the m130, unlike the m100, which I personally find completely useless (I have better than 20/20 vision)

The m130 screen certainly leaves much to be desired - blurry scrolling on images, washed out reds - when compaired side by side with the m515.

Apparently CompUSA staff can only let you see one unit at a time unless it's mounted. So ask a staff person to hold the other and check for yourself.

I'll be ordering the m515 as soon as our friends in Utah process my returned m505.

I hope it won't be long as the m105 I purchased as an interim is a form factor that's a bit too small...

Nice work.

Forget pixelisation or Hi-Res... bring back your cam to the store. You're more in need of a good cam than a PDA !!! *g*

S.

P.S.: I just cannot imagine a shot of your wallpaper with your cam, could put your website in danger...

Though there could have been some shaking. I was taking these as quickly as I could off in a corner of a Staples trying to not call attention to myself. I suspect they'd have thrown me out if they caught me taking pictures as the store manager knew he wasn't supposed to have this on display.

Like I said, sorry these are a bit fuzzy but they do show the only difference between the m505 and m515's screen: the brightness. There is no other change.

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The plastic cover you have on your m505 looks cool, can you tell me where I can find one?

by the way, always enjoy your work, thanks so much!

I have two of the covers and like them a lot.

When viewing on an angle you notice it. Viewing it head on the shadow is not visable...

I sold my 505 and do not have access to the 615 but I want to order it from the US, but need some opinions on which is preferable.

Thanks,

Thanks for the 515 pics.

Could you put some up showing photos or darker color games etc. My 505 has such a blue tint to it that darker colors look aweful on it. I'm wondering if the 515 suffers this problem as well.

Personally, I like the T615 better. I have been using it for the last month. I guess I'm use to the HiRes display. Now looking at the 160x160 that jaggedness of the fonts annoy me. The m515 is what I expected from Palm a year ago. Now its just to late. If this was out before I got my T615 chances are I would of not bought the Clie. The m515 is GREAT if it was 2001, Now being 2002 its good. best to compare and hold them in your hand yourself. Each person has there own dislikes and likes. If your going from a m505 to the m515 then its a nice upgrade. If your going from a HiRes Clie then its like taken a step back. Just my 2 cents...

Well, I just ran into a problem. I have not yet hooked up the m515 to my PC so I can not hotsync any games. I do have a few on my T615. When I got my T615 with Palm OS 4.1 I was having a problem with sending/rec. beams. Sony had a mystery patch (mystery becasue it kept changing names and its unclear what its for) on there site. I installed it and beaming became possible. Well my m515 is suffering from the same thing now. Hmmmm, I wonder if 4.1 has a beam bug in it....

Ok, I see it now. You have to change the color before you create a NEW note. I was trying to do it while in the note. So you must set up the color you want before making a new note. Thanks...

I've seen that a lot and it comes from the actual sidelight itself... variations in color spectrum of the light. The good ones are almost pure white, next best have a slight redish or purple tint to them. Blue ones seem ok as long as they are bright enough, which is not that common, especially since they are lighting a silver/gray screen. The worst M505 sidelights are yellow. They do not look good no matter what, and always look like they are not getting enough voltage. My first one had a reddish tint but was pretty bright, so I did not mind.

My wife's first one was yellow. When I took it back to the store, they did not think there was problem until I pulled my own 505 out. The manager immediately offered a replacement. I had to go to another store becaues they were sold out, but the new one was great, looks almost like the 515 screen... but not quite. Regardless, she has been thrilled with the unit since day one and uses it constantly. Battery life is decent also. Speaking of batteries, anyone who gets a new device should leave it alone until fully charged. Resist the temptation to see what the screen looks like, even if you leave it in the cradle, as it will have a negative effect on future battery life.

You bought it just for a quick look only to immediate sell it on eBay? Is that worth the hassle factor?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336408493

http://home.att.net/~mfs/515.html

No! I decided not to keep it. As I stated about I love the M5XX for factor but having the T615 I got spoiled with the HiRes.

BTW, I fixed the beaming problem with a warm reset. All works great...

I have the m515 and was playing with it while reading this. Totally not-intuitive!! each note should have it's own color options -- and they should be available from within the note itself, not just list view. Jeesh.

-Kevin Crossman

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336408493

if you dont get me.these are the articles:
PenComputing, pg 61,July 2001:
"The One factor that will keep me from making the Sony a daily carry is that it can't coexist with other Palm OS devices. Once you've install Sony's Palm Desktop, no other Palm OS devices HotSync, including serial port devices, Handspring Visors, and the new Palm m500 line......."

I have Palm, Handspring Visors, and now I want to use a Sony until Palm release OS6 or whatever it be as good as Sony.so, can you hotSync two different Palm OS handheld with the same username under Sony's Palm desktop?
thank for your help

And so is pen and paper!!!

The m130 is even brighter and has purer colors than the 515...that is a FACT.

In fact, if not for the 615's Hi-Res, I would label the m130's screen as the best on any Palm unit.

The 615 is *WAY* brighter than the 515, and that is a fact.

Then by all means.. feel free to buy a Pocket PC.. forget the zen of Palm and find the "Charge(ing) of Microsoft."

Let's see if these guys would still claim this when Palm releases the 320x320 later in the year with OS5.

Unless you have invested heavily in Palm accessories, it just doesn't make sense to get 515 when you can get 615.

If you cannot make an intelligent observation, then please quit resorting to a flame war. Lets review some facts:

1. There were no "color Sonys" when the Palm 505 was released. Therefore I was not a "sucker", I was, and still am quite happy with my purchase. I have looked at all the PDA's currently on the market, and find that the overall advantages of the 505 are superior to the Sony. Specifically, I do not play games with my PDA. I use it for data as a business tool.Most of the programs I use are not designed for the hi resolution that the Sony uses, and therefore would be of little benefit. A higher resolution screen also uses more battery life and increases screen refresh rates. While I think the jog wheel would be nice, it isn't necessary. There are software programs which make one-handed operation pretty easy.
2. Sony has yet to learn the lesson that Palm learned. Quit making a new product with a different base, so "suckers" have to keep buying the same accessories over and over.
3. It is always easier for a company to improve on an existing design rather then create it from scratch. Sony is known for this. They take the existing technology and improve on it. I have yet to see Sony create something from scratch.
4. Sony's customer support is legendary. I have not seen one post which has been happy with Sony's customer service. When I dropped my Palm, I had to return it for replacement. I was charged considerably less then the cost of a new Palm. Yes it was refurbished, but it had the same warranty. I was also offered an advanced exchanged whereby I received my new one, and then they paid the return postage to ship back the old one.. try getting that type of service from Sony!
5. One final thought. PDAs are Palm's only business. They not only listen to the 5% who post to boards such as this, but they must also make PDAs which appeal to the other 95% of the people who do not frequent these discussion boards. Yet with that being said, I have seen employees of Palm frequent this board with tips and help. And what happens when they do? They get flamed by ignorant people like you. They don't get paid for this service. Most times they do this off the clock. ( I've asked). They do it because they believe in their product. I have seen Mike Mace, a senior executive at Palm, and now PalmSource take time out to answer questions, and provide insight into where the Palm platform is heading. I have yet to see any Sony executive come forward and make any type of contribution to this discussion. Nor have I seen any employee of Sony come forward and answer questions. (Unless they are doing so anonymously). That level of commitment is important to me. It makes me think that Palm will be around long after Sony has gone on to other interests.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

Madhatter:

I was reading this forum and just want to make one comment; I have both, a 505 and a 760c but I don't agree with you,
Actually for business use I prefer my Clie becouse the hi-res screen allows me to see more data without scrolling (and believe me, I only use the medium size fonts) like my powerpoint presentations before my board meetings (Docs to Go PRo) and full width text documents (Docs to Go, Wordsmith, iSilo).
With my m505 it drives me crazy just to scroll horizontally and vertically through my docs..
And for many things hte 760 is faster than the 505 but not that noticeable.

I understand mileage may vary with actual use. I can see that the Sony machine would be good for some people. Specifically I use the Docs to Go, Splashmoney, Actioneer, Jfile, and also a program written for the Palm by our own programmers for our own use. I also have it loaded up with an e-book reader and assorted other dictionaries, converters, and financial calculators.

One of my co-workers has a color Sony T615 series and side by side we found the refresh rates to be faster on the Palm and I was getting about 15% more battery life on a typical day.. it was not scientific and I am sure there would be variations.

My major complaint with the poster I was responding to is being called a sucker for choosing what was best suited for my needs at the time. I don't really care what brand of PDA you own. I hope you are satisfied with it. But you do not have the right to criticize my purchase, especially if you do not want to state all the facts. I have no problem having a discussion about various pros and cons of each device. But let's keep it a discussion and not a childish "My daddy can beat up your daddy".

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

Thank you for being a voice of reason - you're an oasis of common sense in what is, otherwise, a desert of ignorance.

I still believe you can't justify getting a 515 or 505 right now when you are upgrading your pre-505 device or buying a new one (in which case you would have to get new accessories anyway).

"2. Sony has yet to learn the lesson that Palm learned. Quit making a new product with a different base, so "suckers" have to keep buying the same accessories over and over."

Clie S-series and N-series has the same connector, except T-series has a smaller connector for obvious reasons. so I guess you are just one of those never seen and never used one but my friend said that they all got different connector or even worse some I.M.Anonymous ppl on Palminfocenter said so.

"3. It is always easier for a company to improve on an existing design rather then create it from scratch. Sony is known for this. They take the existing technology and improve on it. I have yet to see Sony create something from scratch."

hmm.. Floppy Disc, MiniDisc, MemoryStick .. What are these .. These are stuff Sony created from scratch .. it's easier to proof something exist than to proof something doesnt exist. so choose your topic carefully next time.

I think this is the origin of all these arguments. To the people who value the screen above all else, the T615c is the obvious choice. To people who don't, the M515 is a better option. Both groups have good reasons why they made the choices they did. Too bad they can't understand that other people can choose something else and not be wrong.

...st*pid people like this one always screw up the discussion forums with their childish comments.

-Clie T615T User

Battery life - we need to see about that, no body tested it yet, M505 has better battery life, does that mean M515 will have better battery life ??

Buttons - this is very objective, I personally don't use the button that often, but I like those buttons.

Stylus - again I don't see the problem of the stylus, the best stylus I've ever used is the stylus of Newton MP 2100.

Support - seriously, I never really uses the support, what's the point for support when something just works.

accessories is periperials - don't make it seemms like 2 things. Clie has quite alot of accessories considering it's only on the market for a bit more than a year. And I really don't see palm has so much more accessories either.

Does this look like a flame to you ?? I was just trying to give madhatter a little bit more information about clie here, he said that Clie changes connectors all the time, but the truth is they didn't. Clie changing connector all the time is just a Palminfocenter messageboard specific urban legend, and ppl take that as a fact. For christ sake is it so wrong for me to point out the obviously wrong statement?

In Japan, Sony has tons of accessories: blue tooth, CF adapter, etc., etc. MS GPS and MS camera, MP3 players . . .

Some of these have made over to US and other countries.

It's only a matter of time. Palm Hardware cannot compete with Sony. Within a few years, Sony will have what Palm has now in terms of market share. Am I a Sony devotee? No, but I'm a realist.

No it is not wrong to point out an obviously wrong statement. I probably did not make myself clear on that point. Palm was widely criticized for changing from the III series to the V series. Then when they promised to make a universal connector, they were criticized again for changing a third time.( in order to go to USB) Sony has changed at least twice that I am aware of, possibly 3 times. I haven't heard if they have made a commitment publicly to stay with the current format.

As I have said, if you want to debate merits, fine, I would be happy to have that type of discussion. I may learn something from you, and you might learn something from me... but this endless flaming and "sucker" comments are an absolute waste of time, effort, and bandwidth.

I think one thing everyone forgets is the actual product we are using. It is a "Personal" Data Assistant.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

I hate flame wars, especially one as antagonistic as this one, but I do want to clarify this misinformation. Sony has only changed their connector ONCE. All Clies have always supported USB and all S-series and N-series Clies have had the exact same connector. Their first change to the connector was with the T-series, since the thinner body would not support the old connector.

Thanks for supporting my statement, Jesus Christ is it so hard to believe that Sony did not do all those terrible things that you believe Sony has done !? I explained to you that Sony only has 2 connector, the bigger one on S and N series and a smaller one on T series, but NO you have to keep telling me that sony changed at least 3 times. Refusing to believe what other ppl tell you is not the right way to learn.

Man, you should HEAR how much nicer the T series sounds then the crummy Palms. How friggin much could a tiny speaker cost Palm? $10? 15? They'd be buying it in large quantities, so I doubt it's cost more then $15.

Another example of Palm "just gettin by"....

(forget about asking Palm to implement the jog wheel, which 98% of people who've used it feel is a big improvement, or adding a hi powered InfraRed with Remote Control software)

I choose my topics very carefully, and you are wrong in your observations
1.Sony did not invent floppy disks, Engineers at IBM did, lead by Alan Shugart.
2.Compact Flash was invented by Sandisk not Sony. 3.Memory Stick is a smaller version of the Compact Flash, and yes it was created by Sony..
4.The first form of CD as we recognize it today was introduced in 1972 by Compaan and Kramer.Sony did not agree to adopt the technology until 1979.
Sony adapted existing technology to their use, but did not invent them. That is what I said and I can prove my statements...

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

1. He was talking about 3 1/2 inch disks not the old 5 1/4 or even older 8 inch
2.He said 'mini-disc' not ' compact-disc' - maybe you dont know what a mini-disc is - its like a cd but smaller.
3. "2.Compact Flash was invented by Sandisk not Sony."
ah...nobody said ANYTHING about sony inventing compact flash. He said memory stick.

but yr main point is correct - these all build on existing technologies - sony just improved on (in all above cases they 'miniturized') existing technologies. But the fact is that all of the above technologies that you mention - floppies, compact flash and compact disc - all build on other peoples technology. not that thats easy. Sony actively spends big bucks on r & d. Compared to Palm though, they really do devlop and inovate in the area of consumer technology.

1. He was talking about 3 1/2 inch disks not the old 5 1/4 or even older 8 inch
2.He said 'mini-disc' not ' compact-disc' - maybe you dont know what a mini-disc is - its like a cd but smaller.
3. "2.Compact Flash was invented by Sandisk not Sony."
ah...nobody said ANYTHING about sony inventing compact flash. He said memory stick.

but yr main point is correct - these all build on existing technologies - sony just improved on (in all above cases they 'miniturized') existing technologies. But the fact is that all of the above technologies that you mention - floppies, compact flash and compact disc - all build on other peoples technology. not that thats easy. Sony actively spends big bucks on r & d. Compared to Palm though, they really do devlop and inovate in the area of consumer technology.

If there was a big diff in price - sure. But don't let the storage device make yoour choice for you.

Probably less than the Sony button engineers! Every device has its drawbacks.

hey, cool off man, nobody was attacking you.
I read all the posts so take it easy.
Some people can't accept any critics... its funny how easy it is to push their buttons.

but now that ive realized im gonna plunk down $400 for a handheld im taking one last look at pocket pc's to see if my money might be spent better there (more functionality/less limitations on software capibility?) but most of them are too bulky for my taste and i really havent heard anything great about the windows ce operating system, not to mention the fact that it's a microsoft product turns me off from it.

nobody's going to attack you because you like m130, M130 is a great low end device, come on, there's no way Clie S-series could win this round

Yeah. I really hate this about the VII and i705. Ever other PalmOS device with built in wireless (Kyocera, Samsung, Handspring Treo) does not lock you into this limited version of the internet where you must pay a monthly fee to the device manufacturer (Palm) as your ISP!! I hate this. Why can't Palm give us a device that lets US choose who our service provider is AND let us use REAL internet apps (like handspring Blazer Browser for instance). They gave us the TCP/IP stack in the OS - why not let us use it without having to connect to a cell-phone or having to bulk up the device with some silly 'sled' modem?

I can't take this device seriously and would never consider a 'wireless' device from Palm. This is a shame 'cause i like (despite the low-res screen) their units.

http://www.paralleldesign.com/

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Pros:
- Looks Cool!!!
- Very high quality plastic and perfect fit.
- Transparent; e.g. I can use HandyShopper no stylus
mode without opening the screen.
- Does not increase the effective thickness of the Palm
unlike the standard leather flip.

Cons:
- does not cover keys
- covers reset button - must remove cover to reset
(using Crash hack does eliminate the chance of this
a lot)

It only offers minimal protection, mainly for the
screen. But if this is all you need, it is very nice
indeed. Perfect if you carry your Palm in your
shirt pocket.

Morpheus (The Matrix)

- one NEVER listens to MP3 because the quality sucks
- one does NOT use the PDA as a walkman
- one could NOT care a hoot for games

Face it, there are a lot of people out there, including myself that have no use for your KILLER FEATURES whatsoever, not now, not ever.

Luckily you do not rule the world and make these so-called killer features standard on all PDA's so that all future PDA buyers will have to spend money on what some people may consider useless and therefore not worth paying extra for.

To me, the 515 was nice as well, but the 130 was aplesant suprise. No hi-res, but solidly made, plastic screen, lightweight, and apparenly durable.

Also looked at a m125 next to it. Comparing the 2, it is so obvious that greyscale is very dead.

Scott

Once you go COLOR you can never go back...

Give me an m130 with Bluetooth and mobitex wireless built in and I'll be happy.

Scott

I download all the new color verions for my apps and all I got was a few colored lines or fonts. Big Deal. With the 705 I can save hours and make money by reading my email remotely and responding to my customers while the iron is hot. The most important color to me is green.

Color is like racing stripes on your car, looks nice but dosen't do anything, but sure does look nice.

Wireless on the 705 is usefull because it just works. No wires, no sleds, no phone. Sure its not fast. But 9.6 works very well to get the info I need while on the road. What good is 56k when it dosent work???

The best part is that the wireless network it uses is not some add-on to the already over priced and overcrowded cell phone network like CDPD. The Mobitex network was built for data only, and works nationwide today.

Maybe GPRS or CDMA2000 or Iden or.... will win in the long run, but right now and in the near future (1 to 2 years) the 705 is as easy and reliable to use as there is.

I used to think like you before, so I always skipped upgrading to color PDAs, I thought "Idon;t need to see my phone numbers in color" etc..
BUt then I tried a color one for one month and wow..
it really makes a difference; first of all, READABILITY, color screens with their backlights improves it 10000% It saves me about 5 seconds every time I look for data becouse I don't have to move the PDA or turn on the backlight. The screen makes the difference. And its very pleasanrt to the eyes.
Secondly, the USER INTERFACE improves a lot, you can organize your launcher file tabs by color, use coded color icons for your datebook, which helps a lot!! and so forth..

Thanks for the obvious, *******.

"You can use any SD or MM card to back up your palm onto."

NOT if it's only 14MB and you have 15.7MB of DATA on your 515!!!!

he knows that too, "idiot"

cyruski!