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Retail stores around the U.S. and even some in Canada are beginning to jump the gun on Palm and put the m515 on display a few days early. This means it it now possible to compare the screens of the m505 and the m515. The m515's sidelight has three possible settings: High, Low, and Off. On High, the m515's screen is noticeably brighter than the m505's. (See image at left.)
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Battery Life on High

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:13:50 PM #
I wonder how long batteries will last on "High" vs. "Low". Looks about 50% brighter on high so my guess is proportionate battery life loss. We want it all - bright as a Computer Monitor with 2 Month Battery Life......ain't gonna happen soon. Maybe in 2012.

RE: Battery Life on High
Ronin @ 3/2/2002 3:40:28 PM #
Just got a m515 last night from CompUSA. I also own a m505 so I am able to do a direct comparison.

Just to respond to the anticipated comments. My wife will be using the 505 (moving from my 3 year old Palm V8 which was suffering under her abuse). I got the m515, as opposed to any other Palm OS device, becuase have not intention of buying a whole new set of accessories.

Anyway, the 515 is identical to the 505 is everyway accept for the following: (1) the graffiti area in not backlit; (2) the graffiti area has a little sun icon in the top right corner for brightness control; (3) the screens brightness can be changed from off, to low, to high using the brightness control; (4) the 515 has, actually, 15.7MB of available RAM.

I cannot comment on the software package that came with it because I have not installed any of it yet. The package does include two books (a Jeffrey Deaver novel and a Star Trek S.C.E novel) according to the packing.

My preliminary use since last night seems to indicate the following: (1) the brightness on the low setting is brighter than the 505s and the high setting is much brighter; (2) the casing does not appear to be darker on the 515 (but the 'm515' on the case is bigger than the 'm505' on the 505 casing), the finish seems the same; (3) the screen refresh on the 515 seems to be faster; (4) the battery life seems to be just as good as the 505s, in fact, it may be better.

As to battery life (which I believe was the question), I restored the 515 from my m505s backup on a card, once the restore was complete and I attempted to return to the launcher, the 515 immediately crashed. It took me about 3 and a half hours of troubleshooting to discover that the problem was the PPK driver which was causing the problem whether activated or not (don't know why this was, maybe the backup/restore corrupted it). During this time I kept the screen on the high setting, was using the card regularly, resetting the device every few minutes, moving programs to and from the card, deleting programs and did a full restore. The battery was about half drained after this time. This is much better performance than I got from the 505. The charge time appears to be about the same too, it took a little more than an hour to get a full charge from a state where it would not come on at all (the first rechargeable Palm I have had that did not have some charge out of the box, btw).

RE: Battery Life on High
IanJD @ 3/3/2002 6:09:43 PM #
> It took me about 3 and a half hours of
> troubleshooting to discover that the problem was the
> PPK driver which was causing the problem whether
> activated or not (don't know why this was, maybe the
> backup/restore corrupted it).

Do I infer from this that you managed to get the PPK working eventually? I read elsewhere that someone else had problems using it with the m515.

RE: Battery Life on High
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:25:27 PM #
been using m515 since friday on high. Still at full charge. don't think battery life is going to be an issue.

RE: Battery Life on High
Ronin @ 3/3/2002 7:54:22 PM #
Yes, I got the driver to work properly.

I deleted the driver that was installed from the backup and replaced it with a fresh copy from my hard drive and it worked the way it was supposed too.

RE: Battery Life on High
swinginjonny @ 3/4/2002 2:04:47 PM #
Would someone clarify to me what the PPK driver is? It sounds like the same problem I have with my IIIc but I don't know what a PPK driver is.

-Jon

RE: Battery Life on High
Synwpn @ 3/4/2002 5:05:57 PM #
I believe it means Palm Portable Keyboard.

annoying black grid

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:14:51 PM #
I saw the m515 and it still has that black grid!!


RE: annoying black grid
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:18:45 PM #
What are you talking about??

RE: annoying black grid
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:21:39 PM #
Of course it does. Nothing has changed from the 505 to the 515 that anyone should get too excited about.

I was fortunate enough to have dumped my 505 yesterday afternoon for only $100 less than I bought it for.

I was at a staples store in Ontario and they do not ahve the 515 out, but still have the 505 with a specail offer for a 16mb card. Can you imagine your anger if you bought a 505 more than 30 days ago and you find out that the 515 is the same price and is what you 505 should have been?

I am curious to see the 515 for interest sake only, but I think I am going to jump over to the sony 615c for now - I have always bought palm, but due to the fact that I felt like I was ripped off now that the 515 is on the shelfs, I can't buy another one right now. I will wait to go back when they improve th hardware.

I never had a big concern about the screen, but I was always looking at the hi-res sonys- they are very nice.

For those in Canada that can't wait for the possibility that sony will get the 615c into the canadian market - checkout borderfree.com - or go directly to ecost.com. They take care of all the duty etc. and on many items it is cheaper or at least the same. This is where I am going to get the 615c from - thye have free shipping till March 8/02 - except you have to wait for up to 2weeks - still might be quicker than waiting for sony.

Does anyone know if sony is going to bring the 615 to canada?

RE: annoying black grid
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:24:39 PM #
the black grid is due to the pixelation in low-resolution color screens.

RE: annoying black grid
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:28:14 PM #
i.e. the space between the pixels

RE: annoying black grid
Altema @ 3/2/2002 2:53:32 PM #
> i.e. the space between the pixels

That's correct, the 505 and 515 will have a more noticable space because the pixel gaps are larger, but they are actually gray instead of black. This is also why they are not as noticable on the Sony... the higher pixel density also has tighter gaps between the pixels. Of course, it is also why the earlier color Sony's turned brownish in direct sunlight, more gridlines! Of course I have not seen the t615 in sunlight yet, and knowing Sony, they probably fixed this.


RE: why the annoying black grid
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 7:48:58 PM #
The grid is present due to the low res... if u dun want the black grid.... get a sony or handera(if u dun need colour).....i dun see any other way out

RE: getting Clie in Canada from eCost.com
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 8:50:50 PM #
To the fellow canadian who mentioned he/she was going to get the T615 from ecost.com, I was wondering if you know that on arrival of the unit, if there would be any duties/charges tho? I do understand that eCost guarantee the purchase price, but do they also look after the GST/Duty that is usually due when the unit arrive via Canada post (Unless they use a courier who will just drop the unit off to my house, I suppose my point is moot).

Thanks!

RE: annoying black grid
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 11:09:50 PM #
The black grid is much more obvious because the screen is brighter. So you get a brighter screen that looks terrible due to alot of pixelization. Or better yet you get a Sony and forget about Palm.

RE: annoying black grid
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:46:42 AM #
For the individual asking about ecost - go check it out and place a dummy order and as you step through it, you will see that all taxes shipping/handling and duties are included.

They are using borderfree.com to "process" and "handle" the orders. I have researched for a couple of weeks now, and have found no reason not to order from them. Read the policies.

Remember that it could take up to 2 weeks to get your order (stay with the free shipping - available to canada till march 8/02 - if you get express its $35).

the price on this unit to your door is less than going to buy a 515 in a canadian retailer. The only problem with this one is product is that you cant compare the price to, becasue it is not availble here yet. However it seems ok.

If you are looking for the N760 - it works out cheaper, except for the wait.

I will order mine later this week.

Post your email if you want and Iwill let you know whn I order and how long it takes,

I am in ontario.

ECOST
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:55:32 AM #
Forgot to mention that you should wait to order this unit until the price drops to about 347 - it shows up in thier countdown bargain section from time to time - just hope the blue one sows up before the 8th again.

eCost buying T615
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:48:39 PM #
To the fellow canadian replying to my eCost.com questions, Thank you so much for you help. I would love to know how your order went as I am very interested in getting one myself from eCost as well. Please email me at trex@rome.com , Thanks!

Then only worry i have is they do have a no return/exchange policy, which I suppose is.."reasonable" given they do charge less especially for shipping to canada. My only other worry is going for the 2 week shipment.. which likely would be Canada Postal Services?

Mehhh

elMajor @ 3/2/2002 12:18:31 PM #
i think that this is just a waste of money, like sure it has a better screen, and more room, but if u have the 505, why but the 515? sure a bit brighter but u can live with 505 screen. and u can just buy a memmory card. no big imporovement, i hope for palms sake that his model does not suffer from SUDS, if it does, u know somthings wrong with them.

RE: Mehhh
dmoody @ 3/2/2002 10:19:13 PM #
I, for one, bought my 505 (ah, Cranberry) on Jan 28 and returned it this week 8-( knowing I'll only miss the color of the shell UNLESS THEY ISSUE COLORED 515s (hint!).

The extra 8MB of RAM for the same price with the extra backlight setting is enough for me.

I have made an annual purchase for hardware the last few from the III, e, xe, 505 and now the 515.

My big question is whether or not I should forgo color and buy the i705...

Nah... I'll just finish my 802.11b netowkr at home and buy a matching sled!

Ed, Any info on m130 screen?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:22:08 PM #
Is it really transflective like the Clie 615? And if so, are the colors vivid or does it have a problem with "reds" like the Clie.

Havn't seen any real pictures of the m130 screen on the web yet so I'm very curious.

Thanks

RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:29:10 PM #
As I understand it, the m130 screen is the same as the m515 but just smaller.

RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:32:49 PM #
There's many conflicting reports on the m130 screen which is why I'd like Ed to give some info. Some say iy's reflective like the 505, some say it's transmissive like the IIIc, while others say it's transflective (backlit reflective) like the Clie 615.

Just looking for clarification and hopefully screenshots.


RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
Ed @ 3/2/2002 12:38:30 PM #
I still haven't seen an m130 so I can't give you an authoritative answer. However, I have talked to someone I trust who has seen one and he says it isn't the same type as the m515's. It has a backlight, rather than sidelight. It has a contrast control, which the m515 lacks. The m130 also doesn't look as good outdoors as it does in, whereas the m515 actually looks better in direct sunlight.

I suspect that the m130's screen is a transflective one rather than the reflective screens on the m505 and m515. But that's just an educated guess.

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News Editor

RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:49:44 PM #
Thanks for the response Ed.

Now I'm just wondering about the color accuracy since the Clie 615 which also uses a transflective screen has porblems with certain colors.

I'm using a m505 right now but since I mainly use this indoors I'm considering a switch.

Where are the m130 owners with Digi-cams?

RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
Majestic @ 3/2/2002 4:17:33 PM #
You all may visit the Forums and read my post regarding screen evaluations at CompUSA. They are more thorough than what the author of this site is offering....and rightly so, as he hasn't seen the m130, and doesn't know me from Ronald McDonald.

Having said that, I can tell you that I an "arrest worthy" comparison between all the models after I got out of work yesterday.

The m130 is transflective/backlit. It is the BEST screen ever offered by Palm. It is even a *shade* brighter than the m515.

More importantly, its colors are unbleievable.....my lord, the Red coloring on the HotSync icon is truly RED again!! Not blood-red, not maroon, but RED RED RED.

Too bad it's only available on the mid-range model.

I'm not going to bash Palm, as it doesn't take a Master Degree in Production to tell that it made more sense to move the sidelight upwards from the bottom of the unit (on the m505) to the actual bottom of the screen (on the m515), crank the voltage a bit, and call it a day.

Profit wise, that made the most sense.

I look forward to their future models that will have the m130's awesome screen. I can only imagine how sweet it would be to have a high-res screen (like the Clie's) with the color accuracy of the m130s.

Unbelievable.

*** Additionally, for future color Treo enthusiasts that are worried about the potentially smaller screen (the Treo is actually smaller than an m505), if this screen is any indication that a bright backlight and more pure colors make the difference, then you should be set. Seriously.

I could actually READ everything on the m130, unlike the m100, which I personally find completely useless (I have better than 20/20 vision)



RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 4:35:04 PM #
The m130 screen is a refreshing break from all the crappy screens I've seen coem out in the past year. I don't have the typical eye-strain headache I normally get from more than 1 or 2 hours of usage on the other color screens available. Good model for a good price. ;)

RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 4:36:25 PM #
When you say "contrast" and "color" in the same line, you're probably talking about a PASSIVE matrix screen. Useless in sunlight.

RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 7:51:12 PM #
Pictures have of the M130 have just been posted at Brighthand.
http://discussion.brighthand.com/palmhandhelds/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5978


RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
dmoody @ 3/3/2002 7:27:50 PM #
Saw the m130 this afternoon (Sunday) at CompUSA in Seattle/Shoreline. Apparently they've been selling the pair since Friday but only if someone walked a nd asked. No phone confirmations.

The m130 screen certainly leaves much to be desired - blurry scrolling on images, washed out reds - when compaired side by side with the m515.

Apparently CompUSA staff can only let you see one unit at a time unless it's mounted. So ask a staff person to hold the other and check for yourself.

I'll be ordering the m515 as soon as our friends in Utah process my returned m505.

I hope it won't be long as the m105 I purchased as an interim is a form factor that's a bit too small...

RE: Ed, Any info on m130 screen?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 2:21:04 AM #
According to Palm, the m515 has an active-matrix transflective screen, and the m130 has a passive-matrix transflective screen.

One Last Picture

Ed @ 3/2/2002 12:35:19 PM #
Here's one more picture. It's very out of focus, which is why it isn't in the article, but the brightness difference between the m515 on High and the m505 really shows up.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/img_M515_m505_4_L.JPG

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News Editor

RE: One Last Picture
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:37:37 PM #
Ed...did you have a few too many coffees this morning? Shakey, but your the man on the scene, bring us the straight goods!

Nice work.

RE: One Last Picture
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 12:56:22 PM #
wow - that picture is so shakey that it almost induces vomitting if you look at it too long. Thanks for the effort though.

RE: One Last Picture
Solo @ 3/2/2002 1:01:16 PM #
Ed,

Forget pixelisation or Hi-Res... bring back your cam to the store. You're more in need of a good cam than a PDA !!! *g*

S.

P.S.: I just cannot imagine a shot of your wallpaper with your cam, could put your website in danger...

RE: One Last Picture
Ed @ 3/2/2002 1:59:03 PM #
The camera is fine; I'm just trying to take a picture inside its minimal focal distance. Keep in mind, I'm like 6 inches from the handhelds when I took some of these. I just got the camera recently and the manual stinks. It doesn't even mention that the camera has a Macro mode, though it does. So I'm learning by trial and error.

Though there could have been some shaking. I was taking these as quickly as I could off in a corner of a Staples trying to not call attention to myself. I suspect they'd have thrown me out if they caught me taking pictures as the store manager knew he wasn't supposed to have this on display.

Like I said, sorry these are a bit fuzzy but they do show the only difference between the m505 and m515's screen: the brightness. There is no other change.

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RE: One Last Picture
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 3:04:01 PM #
Ed,

The plastic cover you have on your m505 looks cool, can you tell me where I can find one?

by the way, always enjoy your work, thanks so much!



RE: One Last Picture
aardvarko @ 3/2/2002 6:17:49 PM #
For what it's worth, the picture *is* in focus; however, the camera was moved while the shutter was open. If it's a 'prosumer' grade camera, try checking for an ISO setting in the camera's menu; if one exists, set the ISO sensitivity as high as you can. It'll produce grainier images, but they'll require much shorter exposures - meaning it's proportionally less likely that you'll move the camera.

-aardvarko
webmaster at aardvarko dot com
http://aardvarko.com
RE: One Last Picture
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:35:29 AM #
The plastic cover is from Parallel Design. Try ParallelDesign.com .

I have two of the covers and like them a lot.

A few pictures

mfs @ 3/2/2002 1:12:55 PM #
I have a few picture posted of the m515 with a T615 at
http://home.att.net/~mfs/515.html

RE: A few pictures and a black shadow??
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 1:15:55 PM #
Is there really a black shadow creeping up the bottom right side of the 515, or is it just the pics you took? Thanks by the way for the pictures!!

RE: A few pictures
mfs @ 3/2/2002 1:16:33 PM #
BTW, as you can tell from my pictures the m515 does not have the backlit graffiti area. This was a nice feature of the 505. Not sure why they got rid of it...

RE: A few pictures
mfs @ 3/2/2002 1:18:33 PM #
"Is there really a black shadow creeping up the bottom right side of the 515"

When viewing on an angle you notice it. Viewing it head on the shadow is not visable...

RE: A few pictures
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 1:25:32 PM #
Geat pics - can you give us your opinion on what you think is the "better" screen?

I sold my 505 and do not have access to the 615 but I want to order it from the US, but need some opinions on which is preferable.

Thanks,

RE: A few pictures
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 1:37:12 PM #
mfs,

Thanks for the 515 pics.

Could you put some up showing photos or darker color games etc. My 505 has such a blue tint to it that darker colors look aweful on it. I'm wondering if the 515 suffers this problem as well.

RE: A few pictures
mfs @ 3/2/2002 1:41:41 PM #
"can you give us your opinion on what you think is the "better" screen?"

Personally, I like the T615 better. I have been using it for the last month. I guess I'm use to the HiRes display. Now looking at the 160x160 that jaggedness of the fonts annoy me. The m515 is what I expected from Palm a year ago. Now its just to late. If this was out before I got my T615 chances are I would of not bought the Clie. The m515 is GREAT if it was 2001, Now being 2002 its good. best to compare and hold them in your hand yourself. Each person has there own dislikes and likes. If your going from a m505 to the m515 then its a nice upgrade. If your going from a HiRes Clie then its like taken a step back. Just my 2 cents...

RE: A few pictures
mfs @ 3/2/2002 1:47:39 PM #
>Could you put some up showing photos or
>darker color games etc

Well, I just ran into a problem. I have not yet hooked up the m515 to my PC so I can not hotsync any games. I do have a few on my T615. When I got my T615 with Palm OS 4.1 I was having a problem with sending/rec. beams. Sony had a mystery patch (mystery becasue it kept changing names and its unclear what its for) on there site. I installed it and beaming became possible. Well my m515 is suffering from the same thing now. Hmmmm, I wonder if 4.1 has a beam bug in it....

RE: A few pictures
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 1:52:06 PM #
What about the notepad? Somebody mentioned colors in another news item. Is it one color font or are you able to use multicolor fonts on one note?

RE: A few pictures
mfs @ 3/2/2002 1:58:45 PM #
Notepad is the same. The ink is blue and can not be changed. I think it was blank ink on the m505...

RE: A few pictures
AdamTzeit @ 3/2/2002 2:09:14 PM #
The ink is blue and it can be changed.
The defaults are a white note with a blue pen but the colour of both can be changed. In the Note Pad list view: tap Menu then Options.



RE: A few pictures
mfs @ 3/2/2002 2:19:51 PM #
>The ink is blue and it can be changed.

Ok, I see it now. You have to change the color before you create a NEW note. I was trying to do it while in the note. So you must set up the color you want before making a new note. Thanks...

RE: A few pictures
Altema @ 3/2/2002 2:22:38 PM #
"My 505 has such a blue tint to it that darker colors look aweful on it."

I've seen that a lot and it comes from the actual sidelight itself... variations in color spectrum of the light. The good ones are almost pure white, next best have a slight redish or purple tint to them. Blue ones seem ok as long as they are bright enough, which is not that common, especially since they are lighting a silver/gray screen. The worst M505 sidelights are yellow. They do not look good no matter what, and always look like they are not getting enough voltage. My first one had a reddish tint but was pretty bright, so I did not mind.

My wife's first one was yellow. When I took it back to the store, they did not think there was problem until I pulled my own 505 out. The manager immediately offered a replacement. I had to go to another store becaues they were sold out, but the new one was great, looks almost like the 515 screen... but not quite. Regardless, she has been thrilled with the unit since day one and uses it constantly. Battery life is decent also. Speaking of batteries, anyone who gets a new device should leave it alone until fully charged. Resist the temptation to see what the screen looks like, even if you leave it in the cradle, as it will have a negative effect on future battery life.

RE: A few pictures
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 2:34:49 PM #
Hey MFS - I see your m515 is now on ebay (the pic matches).

You bought it just for a quick look only to immediate sell it on eBay? Is that worth the hassle factor?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336408493


http://home.att.net/~mfs/515.html


RE: A few pictures
mfs @ 3/2/2002 2:54:56 PM #
>Is that worth the hassle factor?

No! I decided not to keep it. As I stated about I love the M5XX for factor but having the T615 I got spoiled with the HiRes.

BTW, I fixed the beaming problem with a warm reset. All works great...



RE: A few pictures
kevdo @ 3/2/2002 7:39:03 PM #
>The defaults are a white note with a blue pen but the colour of
>both can be changed. In the Note Pad list view: tap Menu then Options.

I have the m515 and was playing with it while reading this. Totally not-intuitive!! each note should have it's own color options -- and they should be available from within the note itself, not just list view. Jeesh.

-Kevin Crossman

RE: A few pictures
ColonelKlink @ 3/3/2002 1:10:10 AM #
Hey mfs, looks like someone really liked your pictures...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336408493

to mfs : Palm and Sony
Brucew @ 3/3/2002 8:40:16 AM #
hi mfs:
After having so many Palm models , I have been thinking of getting a T615c as Palm has not come out a high resolution model.However, an article from the PenComputing attarcted my attention.I would like to know if you can use the same username in one desktop and HoySync with a CLIE and Palm??

if you dont get me.these are the articles:
PenComputing, pg 61,July 2001:
"The One factor that will keep me from making the Sony a daily carry is that it can't coexist with other Palm OS devices. Once you've install Sony's Palm Desktop, no other Palm OS devices HotSync, including serial port devices, Handspring Visors, and the new Palm m500 line......."

I have Palm, Handspring Visors, and now I want to use a Sony until Palm release OS6 or whatever it be as good as Sony.so, can you hotSync two different Palm OS handheld with the same username under Sony's Palm desktop?
thank for your help


RE: A few pictures
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:15:41 PM #
In order to sync two PalmOS devices with one desktop account, you need to use the same Hotsync Name AND User ID on both devices. Use ChangeName (used to be PalmName) to do that.

M515 is awesome ''in real life''

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 1:16:35 PM #
Please take these photos for what they're worth. I just came back from compusa where I compared the M515 side-by-side with the M505 and the T615. The M515 looks very nice IMHO. The colors are dead on. I think Palm has got a winner here.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 3:37:52 PM #
Dream on....

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 4:49:26 PM #
In a way, 160x160 proves to be more reliable than Hi-Res. It's faster and traditional.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 5:00:26 PM #
"more ...faster and traditional."

And so is pen and paper!!!

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 6:02:41 PM #
go on, justify your $400..

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
Majestic @ 3/2/2002 8:43:34 PM #
I have posted a comprehensive comparison of the screens in the Forums.

The m130 is even brighter and has purer colors than the 515...that is a FACT.

In fact, if not for the 615's Hi-Res, I would label the m130's screen as the best on any Palm unit.

The 615 is *WAY* brighter than the 515, and that is a fact.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 11:13:59 PM #
Traditional? Next thing you'll be taking about "the zen of Palm". Spare me. The m515 was outdated the day it was released.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 12:26:15 AM #
"Spare me. The m515 was outdated the day it was released."

Then by all means.. feel free to buy a Pocket PC.. forget the zen of Palm and find the "Charge(ing) of Microsoft."



RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 9:20:27 AM #
This really makes me laugh! Let's be objective here. I know there are Palm hardware enthusiasts (or "suckers" who bought the Palm units and now trying to justify their purchase), but to say 160x160 is superior than 320x320 is absurd.

Let's see if these guys would still claim this when Palm releases the 320x320 later in the year with OS5.

Unless you have invested heavily in Palm accessories, it just doesn't make sense to get 515 when you can get 615.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
madhatter @ 3/3/2002 10:42:51 AM #
"(or "suckers" who bought the Palm units and now trying to justify their purchase)"

If you cannot make an intelligent observation, then please quit resorting to a flame war. Lets review some facts:

1. There were no "color Sonys" when the Palm 505 was released. Therefore I was not a "sucker", I was, and still am quite happy with my purchase. I have looked at all the PDA's currently on the market, and find that the overall advantages of the 505 are superior to the Sony. Specifically, I do not play games with my PDA. I use it for data as a business tool.Most of the programs I use are not designed for the hi resolution that the Sony uses, and therefore would be of little benefit. A higher resolution screen also uses more battery life and increases screen refresh rates. While I think the jog wheel would be nice, it isn't necessary. There are software programs which make one-handed operation pretty easy.
2. Sony has yet to learn the lesson that Palm learned. Quit making a new product with a different base, so "suckers" have to keep buying the same accessories over and over.
3. It is always easier for a company to improve on an existing design rather then create it from scratch. Sony is known for this. They take the existing technology and improve on it. I have yet to see Sony create something from scratch.
4. Sony's customer support is legendary. I have not seen one post which has been happy with Sony's customer service. When I dropped my Palm, I had to return it for replacement. I was charged considerably less then the cost of a new Palm. Yes it was refurbished, but it had the same warranty. I was also offered an advanced exchanged whereby I received my new one, and then they paid the return postage to ship back the old one.. try getting that type of service from Sony!
5. One final thought. PDAs are Palm's only business. They not only listen to the 5% who post to boards such as this, but they must also make PDAs which appeal to the other 95% of the people who do not frequent these discussion boards. Yet with that being said, I have seen employees of Palm frequent this board with tips and help. And what happens when they do? They get flamed by ignorant people like you. They don't get paid for this service. Most times they do this off the clock. ( I've asked). They do it because they believe in their product. I have seen Mike Mace, a senior executive at Palm, and now PalmSource take time out to answer questions, and provide insight into where the Palm platform is heading. I have yet to see any Sony executive come forward and make any type of contribution to this discussion. Nor have I seen any employee of Sony come forward and answer questions. (Unless they are doing so anonymously). That level of commitment is important to me. It makes me think that Palm will be around long after Sony has gone on to other interests.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:00:33 AM #
Another reason to get a m515 is native Mac support. I know this only affects a small percentage of users though. I do like the Sony's screen though.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:40:50 AM #
"Specifically, I do not play games with my PDA. I use it for data as a business tool.Most of the programs I use are not designed for the hi resolution that the Sony uses, and therefore would be of little benefit. A higher resolution screen also uses more battery life and increases screen refresh rates. While I think the jog wheel would be nice, it isn't necessary"

Madhatter:

I was reading this forum and just want to make one comment; I have both, a 505 and a 760c but I don't agree with you,
Actually for business use I prefer my Clie becouse the hi-res screen allows me to see more data without scrolling (and believe me, I only use the medium size fonts) like my powerpoint presentations before my board meetings (Docs to Go PRo) and full width text documents (Docs to Go, Wordsmith, iSilo).
With my m505 it drives me crazy just to scroll horizontally and vertically through my docs..
And for many things hte 760 is faster than the 505 but not that noticeable.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
madhatter @ 3/3/2002 12:01:18 PM #
"I was reading this forum and just want to make one comment; I have both, a 505 and a 760c but I don't agree with you"

I understand mileage may vary with actual use. I can see that the Sony machine would be good for some people. Specifically I use the Docs to Go, Splashmoney, Actioneer, Jfile, and also a program written for the Palm by our own programmers for our own use. I also have it loaded up with an e-book reader and assorted other dictionaries, converters, and financial calculators.

One of my co-workers has a color Sony T615 series and side by side we found the refresh rates to be faster on the Palm and I was getting about 15% more battery life on a typical day.. it was not scientific and I am sure there would be variations.

My major complaint with the poster I was responding to is being called a sucker for choosing what was best suited for my needs at the time. I don't really care what brand of PDA you own. I hope you are satisfied with it. But you do not have the right to criticize my purchase, especially if you do not want to state all the facts. I have no problem having a discussion about various pros and cons of each device. But let's keep it a discussion and not a childish "My daddy can beat up your daddy".

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 1:04:07 PM #
madhatter:

Thank you for being a voice of reason - you're an oasis of common sense in what is, otherwise, a desert of ignorance.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 1:07:35 PM #
As far as "suckers" comment goes, I admit it was harsh, but I was getting ticked off at Palm "enthusiasts" that would defend Palm at all costs despite the facts to the contrary.

I still believe you can't justify getting a 515 or 505 right now when you are upgrading your pre-505 device or buying a new one (in which case you would have to get new accessories anyway).

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 3:57:25 PM #
Madhatter you need to get your facts straight first.

"2. Sony has yet to learn the lesson that Palm learned. Quit making a new product with a different base, so "suckers" have to keep buying the same accessories over and over."

Clie S-series and N-series has the same connector, except T-series has a smaller connector for obvious reasons. so I guess you are just one of those never seen and never used one but my friend said that they all got different connector or even worse some I.M.Anonymous ppl on Palminfocenter said so.

"3. It is always easier for a company to improve on an existing design rather then create it from scratch. Sony is known for this. They take the existing technology and improve on it. I have yet to see Sony create something from scratch."

hmm.. Floppy Disc, MiniDisc, MemoryStick .. What are these .. These are stuff Sony created from scratch .. it's easier to proof something exist than to proof something doesnt exist. so choose your topic carefully next time.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 4:01:29 PM #
The T615c has a better screen than the M515, no doubt about it. But the M515 wins in every other category. It's got better battery life, buttons, stylus, support, accessories, and peripherals. If a great screen is your overriding factor in picking a handheld, the T615c is for you. If not, you have to look seriously at the M515.

I think this is the origin of all these arguments. To the people who value the screen above all else, the T615c is the obvious choice. To people who don't, the M515 is a better option. Both groups have good reasons why they made the choices they did. Too bad they can't understand that other people can choose something else and not be wrong.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 4:01:52 PM #
"This really makes me laugh! Let's be objective here. I know there are Palm hardware enthusiasts (or "suckers" who bought the Palm units and now trying to justify their purchase), but to say 160x160 is superior than 320x320 is absurd.
Let's see if these guys"

...st*pid people like this one always screw up the discussion forums with their childish comments.

-Clie T615T User

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 4:19:12 PM #
"The T615c has a better screen than the M515, no doubt about it. But the M515 wins in every other category. It's got better battery life, buttons, stylus, support, accessories, and peripherals. If a great screen is your overriding factor in picking a handheld, the T615c is for you. If not, you have to look seriously at the M515."

Battery life - we need to see about that, no body tested it yet, M505 has better battery life, does that mean M515 will have better battery life ??

Buttons - this is very objective, I personally don't use the button that often, but I like those buttons.

Stylus - again I don't see the problem of the stylus, the best stylus I've ever used is the stylus of Newton MP 2100.

Support - seriously, I never really uses the support, what's the point for support when something just works.

accessories is periperials - don't make it seemms like 2 things. Clie has quite alot of accessories considering it's only on the market for a bit more than a year. And I really don't see palm has so much more accessories either.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
AzureGuy @ 3/3/2002 4:29:19 PM #
Guys, back of madhatter, he's not trying to start a flame war here. Just to add a reason why someone would purchase a palm-accessories, the Palm Keyboard, the PalmPix Cameras, the Bluetooth SD card, etc. These are business oriented tools, and frankly, they're not over the top toys. Sony's are BEAUTIFUL machines, 'cept the 415 :), otherwise they're wonderful, except they don't have the same amount of accessories available yet. Palm has promised that the Universal Connector will be around for two years, which obviously means OS 5 units will use it, I recently picked up my m125 and I'm seriously considering taking it back and getting the m130 because my sight is horrible, and colour makes showing off stuff that much easier :) So, don't get mad at him, he's just saying what he feels, I use my device to organize my life, otherwise I'd be lost. Sony's are great for some people, and not so great for others, so let's not start a Sony VS. Palm debate, they're all running the same OS we have come to love and cherish.

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RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:43:24 PM #
"Clie S-series and N-series has the same connector, except T-series has a smaller connector for obvious reasons. so I guess you are just one of those never seen and never used one but my friend said that they all got different connector or even worse some I.M.Anonymous ppl on Palminfocenter said so."

Does this look like a flame to you ?? I was just trying to give madhatter a little bit more information about clie here, he said that Clie changes connectors all the time, but the truth is they didn't. Clie changing connector all the time is just a Palminfocenter messageboard specific urban legend, and ppl take that as a fact. For christ sake is it so wrong for me to point out the obviously wrong statement?

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 9:39:34 PM #
Accessories. Let's see what accessories people usually use. Sony has the accessories that we use most often.

In Japan, Sony has tons of accessories: blue tooth, CF adapter, etc., etc. MS GPS and MS camera, MP3 players . . .

Some of these have made over to US and other countries.

It's only a matter of time. Palm Hardware cannot compete with Sony. Within a few years, Sony will have what Palm has now in terms of market share. Am I a Sony devotee? No, but I'm a realist.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
madhatter @ 3/3/2002 11:53:59 PM #
"For christ sake is it so wrong for me to point out the obviously wrong statement?"

No it is not wrong to point out an obviously wrong statement. I probably did not make myself clear on that point. Palm was widely criticized for changing from the III series to the V series. Then when they promised to make a universal connector, they were criticized again for changing a third time.( in order to go to USB) Sony has changed at least twice that I am aware of, possibly 3 times. I haven't heard if they have made a commitment publicly to stay with the current format.

As I have said, if you want to debate merits, fine, I would be happy to have that type of discussion. I may learn something from you, and you might learn something from me... but this endless flaming and "sucker" comments are an absolute waste of time, effort, and bandwidth.

I think one thing everyone forgets is the actual product we are using. It is a "Personal" Data Assistant.

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
Bartman007 @ 3/4/2002 1:30:29 AM #
It's flame threads like these take make me wish PIC would eleminate I.M. Anony's...

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
rldunn @ 3/4/2002 7:54:33 PM #
"No it is not wrong to point out an obviously wrong statement. I probably did not make myself clear on that point. Palm was widely criticized for changing from the III series to the V series. Then when they promised to make a universal connector, they were criticized again for changing a third time.( in order to go to USB) Sony has changed at least twice that I am aware of, possibly 3 times. I haven't heard if they have made a commitment publicly to stay with the current format."

I hate flame wars, especially one as antagonistic as this one, but I do want to clarify this misinformation. Sony has only changed their connector ONCE. All Clies have always supported USB and all S-series and N-series Clies have had the exact same connector. Their first change to the connector was with the T-series, since the thinner body would not support the old connector.



RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:56:37 PM #
"I hate flame wars, especially one as antagonistic as this one, but I do want to clarify this misinformation. Sony has only changed their connector ONCE. All Clies have always supported USB and all S-series and N-series Clies have had the exact same connector. Their first change to the connector was with the T-series, since the thinner body would not support the old connector."

Thanks for supporting my statement, Jesus Christ is it so hard to believe that Sony did not do all those terrible things that you believe Sony has done !? I explained to you that Sony only has 2 connector, the bigger one on S and N series and a smaller one on T series, but NO you have to keep telling me that sony changed at least 3 times. Refusing to believe what other ppl tell you is not the right way to learn.

RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 12:14:10 PM #
Where's the built in speaker for the m505?

Man, you should HEAR how much nicer the T series sounds then the crummy Palms. How friggin much could a tiny speaker cost Palm? $10? 15? They'd be buying it in large quantities, so I doubt it's cost more then $15.

Another example of Palm "just gettin by"....

(forget about asking Palm to implement the jog wheel, which 98% of people who've used it feel is a big improvement, or adding a hi powered InfraRed with Remote Control software)

what about the m300?

crustyedgeofinnovation @ 3/2/2002 1:54:21 PM #
i heard something about a possible announcement of an m300 on a yahoo messege board... it would be very interesting if Palm announced 3 new handhelds on monday....but maybe i'm dreaming in color...(as you may recall, in the early going, we thought the m130 would be called the m300)

RE: what about the m300?
AdamTzeit @ 3/2/2002 2:30:44 PM #
No m300, at least not tomorrow.

RE: what about the m300?
madhatter @ 3/3/2002 5:00:30 PM #
"hmm.. Floppy Disc, MiniDisc, MemoryStick .. What are these .. These are stuff Sony created from scratch .. it's easier to proof something exist than to proof something doesnt exist. so choose your topic carefully next time."

I choose my topics very carefully, and you are wrong in your observations
1.Sony did not invent floppy disks, Engineers at IBM did, lead by Alan Shugart.
2.Compact Flash was invented by Sandisk not Sony. 3.Memory Stick is a smaller version of the Compact Flash, and yes it was created by Sony..
4.The first form of CD as we recognize it today was introduced in 1972 by Compaan and Kramer.Sony did not agree to adopt the technology until 1979.
Sony adapted existing technology to their use, but did not invent them. That is what I said and I can prove my statements...

A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: what about the m300?
madhatter @ 3/3/2002 5:18:51 PM #
Sorry.. this should have been posted in:
RE: M515 is awesome ''in real life''


A Palm in hand is worth two in your pocket.

RE: what about the m300?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:01:44 PM #
Your not really correct:

1. He was talking about 3 1/2 inch disks not the old 5 1/4 or even older 8 inch
2.He said 'mini-disc' not ' compact-disc' - maybe you dont know what a mini-disc is - its like a cd but smaller.
3. "2.Compact Flash was invented by Sandisk not Sony."
ah...nobody said ANYTHING about sony inventing compact flash. He said memory stick.

but yr main point is correct - these all build on existing technologies - sony just improved on (in all above cases they 'miniturized') existing technologies. But the fact is that all of the above technologies that you mention - floppies, compact flash and compact disc - all build on other peoples technology. not that thats easy. Sony actively spends big bucks on r & d. Compared to Palm though, they really do devlop and inovate in the area of consumer technology.


RE: what about the m300?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:01:44 PM #
Your not really correct:

1. He was talking about 3 1/2 inch disks not the old 5 1/4 or even older 8 inch
2.He said 'mini-disc' not ' compact-disc' - maybe you dont know what a mini-disc is - its like a cd but smaller.
3. "2.Compact Flash was invented by Sandisk not Sony."
ah...nobody said ANYTHING about sony inventing compact flash. He said memory stick.

but yr main point is correct - these all build on existing technologies - sony just improved on (in all above cases they 'miniturized') existing technologies. But the fact is that all of the above technologies that you mention - floppies, compact flash and compact disc - all build on other peoples technology. not that thats easy. Sony actively spends big bucks on r & d. Compared to Palm though, they really do devlop and inovate in the area of consumer technology.


Ho-hum

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 2:09:02 PM #
Since screen is the main selling point of m515, then it got a problem.

-Clie has Hi-Res (hence no black grids)

-Clie has brightness 'slider' instead of limited comie choice in m515 (hi-low-off???) what about potentiometer? How much those Palm hardware engineers get paid anyway? what a bunch of morons.

RE: Ho-hum
cp31 @ 3/2/2002 2:18:04 PM #
the only reason i would egt a m515 over a clie 615 is because i already have an SD card

RE: SD/MMC Advantages
PFloyd @ 3/2/2002 2:34:14 PM #
I have a Canon digital camcorder with SD too. If I was a Sony kind of guy I'd be locked into Sony if I wanted to move my media around. It's already proven very handy to have SD on both the camera and the palm.

RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 2:38:24 PM #
yes - but if you're into digital pics then the 320x320 sure beats 160x160.

RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 2:46:13 PM #
The type of media, I find to be unimportant. It is so easy to get info moved around - and for me I generally load everything to the desktop for archiving etc anyway. So at that point it can be moved anywhere.

If there was a big diff in price - sure. But don't let the storage device make yoour choice for you.

RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 2:47:57 PM #
"How much those Palm hardware engineers get paid anyway?"

Probably less than the Sony button engineers! Every device has its drawbacks.

RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 2:54:28 PM #
Didn't the sony have a little bit of "gridness" on it? It could be that the digital camera is really lame I guess?

RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 3:32:09 PM #
What are the facts about SD vs memory stick? Is it true that programs can be run from SD but not from the stick? How about access speed for programs & data (thesauri, photos)? How different (fast/slow) from accessing onboard RAM?

RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 3:59:18 PM #
Thanks to the person who immediately leaped the the defense of the T615C. How dare anyone so much as mention an non-Sony device!! The very nerve. But you and I know that Sony handhelds are perfect in every way while all others are worse than camel dung. Thanks for making a point of writing for the 17 millionth time why the T615C is superior to everything else on the planet. Your comments are valuable and welcome, even though others might call you a Sony-obsessed, hideous freak of nature. While some might be foolish enough to point out that sales of Sony has only a tiny percentage of handheld sales, we know that everyone's decisions to buy non-Sony handhelds will surely leave them living in the gutter, exposed to constant shame and ridicule for not realizing that Sony's hi-res screen is our only hope of salvation! Sony, Sony, Uber alles!!

RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 4:03:05 PM #
I own a clie and I run all of my games from the memory stick. You can do everything with the memory stick that you can do with sd.

RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 6:06:09 PM #
"Thanks to the person who immediately leaped the the defense of the T615C. How dare anyone so much as mention an non-Sony device!! The very nerve. But you and I know that Sony handhelds are perfect in every way while all others are worse than camel dung. Thanks for making a point of writing for the 17 millionth time why the T615C is superior to everything else on the planet. Your comments are valuable and welcome, even though others might call you a Sony-obsessed, hideous freak of nature. While some might be foolish enough to point out that sales of Sony has only a tiny percentage of handheld sales, we know that everyone's decisions to buy non-Sony handhelds will surely leave them living in the gutter, exposed to constant shame and ridicule for not realizing that Sony's hi-res screen is our only hope of salvation! Sony, Sony, Uber alles!!
"


hey, cool off man, nobody was attacking you.
I read all the posts so take it easy.
Some people can't accept any critics... its funny how easy it is to push their buttons.


RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 2:03:23 AM #
i still think its not the screen but the accessories that make or break the handhelds as far as my decision goes. i own a 3x and i love the palm os so far and ive decided its time for me to upgrade. i was considering an i705 but i really want color, and even though the 'always on' i705 wireless would be great...i've heard it doesnt allow regular palm tcp/ip apps so i guess that means only webclipping and aim and the palm mail app?? so now im considering an m515 vs the sony t615 and i was really close to buying the sony becaues of the screen but it doesnt have nearly the accessories available that the palm does. palm accessories are more widely available (and generally cheaper). i dont know of any bluetooth card for the sony and i dont know if anyone makes a gps for it either. plus ive heard the minstrel wireless modem for the m505 (m515?) works great.

but now that ive realized im gonna plunk down $400 for a handheld im taking one last look at pocket pc's to see if my money might be spent better there (more functionality/less limitations on software capibility?) but most of them are too bulky for my taste and i really havent heard anything great about the windows ce operating system, not to mention the fact that it's a microsoft product turns me off from it.


RE: Ho-hum
AzureGuy @ 3/3/2002 4:40:17 PM #
GO M130, M130!!!! Yeah..... Beautiful screen....Accessories.... I want one..... Someone wanna give me one????? PLEASE SPARE ME OH GREAT SONY OBSESSED PEOPLE, ALL I WANT IS COLOUR AND ACCESSORIES..... and the world would be nice too... :)

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HOW TO GET BLUETOOTH ON A UNSUPPORTED HANDHELD: Take a pair of pliars, place them around the nearest available tooth, pull, paint it blue, glue it to your handheld
RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:33:56 PM #
"GO M130, M130!!!! Yeah..... Beautiful screen....Accessories.... I want one..... Someone wanna give me one????? PLEASE SPARE ME OH GREAT SONY OBSESSED PEOPLE, ALL I WANT IS COLOUR AND ACCESSORIES..... and the world would be nice too... :)"

nobody's going to attack you because you like m130, M130 is a great low end device, come on, there's no way Clie S-series could win this round

RE: Ho-hum
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:35:25 PM #
"i was considering an i705 but i really want color, and even though the 'always on' i705 wireless would be great...i've heard it doesnt allow regular palm tcp/ip apps so i guess that means only webclipping and aim and the palm mail app?? "

Yeah. I really hate this about the VII and i705. Ever other PalmOS device with built in wireless (Kyocera, Samsung, Handspring Treo) does not lock you into this limited version of the internet where you must pay a monthly fee to the device manufacturer (Palm) as your ISP!! I hate this. Why can't Palm give us a device that lets US choose who our service provider is AND let us use REAL internet apps (like handspring Blazer Browser for instance). They gave us the TCP/IP stack in the OS - why not let us use it without having to connect to a cell-phone or having to bulk up the device with some silly 'sled' modem?

I can't take this device seriously and would never consider a 'wireless' device from Palm. This is a shame 'cause i like (despite the low-res screen) their units.

Protection

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 2:47:07 PM #
Ed, I notice you are using what appears to be a Personality Pack for the 505. As one considering upgrading to a 515, I am just curious if you feel that is adequate protection. Do you use any other case in addition to that screen cover? Thanks!

RE: Protection
Ed @ 3/2/2002 3:20:54 PM #
It's a Personality Pack from Parallel Design. I'm in the middle of writing a review.

http://www.paralleldesign.com/

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News Editor

RE: Protection
mikecane @ 3/2/2002 3:33:39 PM #
Hey, Ed, why hasn't a PIC review appeared about that cover?! I've been waiting to read one!

RE: Protection
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 5:00:45 PM #
Heh, Ed, I remembered sending you the news item about that case from paralleldesign.com, that was a LONG time ago, btw, they used to have similar case for the Clie S300 too.

RE: Protection
Ed @ 3/2/2002 5:12:16 PM #
It took them a while to send me one. Basically, they had tons of backorders so they didn't have any to spare and already had more demand than they could fulfil so they didn't need any publicity.

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RE: Protection
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 5:20:52 PM #
Personality Pack from Parallel Design is awesome!! It is nice protection for the screen only. I love the clear color because I can see right threw the cover for address and so on.

RE: Protection
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 12:17:27 AM #
I have one and I like it.

Pros:
- Looks Cool!!!
- Very high quality plastic and perfect fit.
- Transparent; e.g. I can use HandyShopper no stylus
mode without opening the screen.
- Does not increase the effective thickness of the Palm
unlike the standard leather flip.

Cons:
- does not cover keys
- covers reset button - must remove cover to reset
(using Crash hack does eliminate the chance of this
a lot)

It only offers minimal protection, mainly for the
screen. But if this is all you need, it is very nice
indeed. Perfect if you carry your Palm in your
shirt pocket.



Complaining, Complaining

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 3:14:34 PM #
Ok, people complained about the screen being dark on the m505. Now they are complaining about the m515. C'mon people, be happy. No one is making you buy it, so why complain?

RE: Complaining, Complaining
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 4:00:59 PM #
Because it's the power to move on...

RE: Complaining, Complaining
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 6:14:15 PM #
I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

Morpheus (The Matrix)

RE: Complaining, Complaining
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 11:15:39 PM #
Because Palms incompetence is going to take them under and us with them.

RE: Complaining, Complaining
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 9:52:12 AM #
UHHHHHHH... some guys will go down if palm go down... are you guys related to a shareholder, any member of the board or what???
Come on, if palm goes down, I know you people are MUCH smarter and won't go down, anyway, we still have good old pen and paper folks. NO PANIC!!!!!!!!

RE: Complaining, Complaining
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:54:10 PM #
Judging by the level of complaints, Sony must be very worried about these new products. Cheer up, guys, Sony will copy them within a couple of months (and they will no doubt add lots more 'killer' features like MP3, hi-res color screens, Dolby Hi-Fi, joysticks, etc).

RE: Complaining, Complaining
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:27:56 PM #
What good is a 'killer feature' such as MP3, dolby hi-fi and joystick if

- one NEVER listens to MP3 because the quality sucks
- one does NOT use the PDA as a walkman
- one could NOT care a hoot for games

Face it, there are a lot of people out there, including myself that have no use for your KILLER FEATURES whatsoever, not now, not ever.

Luckily you do not rule the world and make these so-called killer features standard on all PDA's so that all future PDA buyers will have to spend money on what some people may consider useless and therefore not worth paying extra for.

m130 & 515 in NYC!

mikecane @ 3/2/2002 3:28:29 PM #
CompUSA on 5th Ave near 37th St in NYC (where I am typing this) has both the m515 and the m130 on sale.

The m515 is nothing more than a significantly brighter m505 with 16MB of RAM. The screen still has the grey grid.

The m130 is **very** impressive! It rivals the CLIE T615 for best screen! I mean, NO GRID! And it is bright with the backlight on. Unlike the m515, there is no brightness control, just a contrast slider. But, damn, if I was in the market for a new Palm, I'd grab that m130 over the m515, really! Even customers looking at the two commented on how good the m130 screen was. Palm also changed the plastic casing and it has a non-cheap, very solid feel. Really, this m130 is a killer and I think will sell very, very well.

Palm has extended its lifespan with these two -- and especially that m130. You must see the m130 to believe it.

RE: m130 & 515 in NYC!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 5:02:38 PM #
Pictures will still look better on a high res device. e.g. no jaggies, more detail.

RE: m130 & 515 in NYC!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 5:55:14 PM #
I saw both devices at a CompUSA in Virginia just now. I agree with all of the posters comments regarding the very nice screen of the 130. I found it to be quite solid (no creaks) and very bright.

To me, the 515 was nice as well, but the 130 was aplesant suprise. No hi-res, but solidly made, plastic screen, lightweight, and apparenly durable.

Also looked at a m125 next to it. Comparing the 2, it is so obvious that greyscale is very dead.

RE: m130 & 515 in NYC!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 11:16:37 PM #
I thought the M515 was a bad joke but I was impressed by the M130 and I haven't liked any of its previous incarnations, not bad for $279.00 But is still bulky and you can get a Sony T615c for only about $50 more...

RE: m130 & 515 in NYC!
Scott @ 3/3/2002 12:05:40 AM #
Grayscale won't be dead till I can buy a $99 color Palm. And even then it might not be dead if the B&W Palms then cost $25.

Scott

Once you've gone.....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 4:14:51 PM #
wireless, you can never go back. It's like going back to the pre-Internet age when the hot ticket on your PC was your spreadsheet. Point being, I'm glas that Palm has woke up and is introducing a reasonably priced vibrant color machine (m130). The true killer Palm will be wireless color, using Palmnet. I'm willing to bet that it will be here before the end of the year.

RE: Once you've gone.....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 4:57:39 PM #
I'll take COLOR over today's wireless data technology any day - especially that awful Palm.net.

Once you go COLOR you can never go back...

RE: Once you've gone.....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 6:17:00 PM #
Personally I think HI-RES is the turning point, Once you get used to a sharp screen, Its mentally and physically imposible to go back! I get headaches whenever I use my old m505!!!

RE: Once you've gone.....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 7:00:04 PM #
I agree. Well, reading on my dad's IIIc compared to a hi-res device hurts my head.

RE: Once you've gone.....
Scott @ 3/3/2002 12:07:25 AM #
I agree about the wireless (so long as you have Palm.net). I have a Samsung i300 and am disappointed with much of the wireless features simply because many of the PQAs I've tried don't work because of the inability to retrieve mobitex-specific information (e.g. - current zip code).

Give me an m130 with Bluetooth and mobitex wireless built in and I'll be happy.

Scott

RE: Once you've gone.....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:13:17 AM #
I traded in my 505 for a 705 because when I thought about it, what did color do for me???

I download all the new color verions for my apps and all I got was a few colored lines or fonts. Big Deal. With the 705 I can save hours and make money by reading my email remotely and responding to my customers while the iron is hot. The most important color to me is green.

Color is like racing stripes on your car, looks nice but dosen't do anything, but sure does look nice.

Wireless on the 705 is usefull because it just works. No wires, no sleds, no phone. Sure its not fast. But 9.6 works very well to get the info I need while on the road. What good is 56k when it dosent work???

The best part is that the wireless network it uses is not some add-on to the already over priced and overcrowded cell phone network like CDPD. The Mobitex network was built for data only, and works nationwide today.

Maybe GPRS or CDMA2000 or Iden or.... will win in the long run, but right now and in the near future (1 to 2 years) the 705 is as easy and reliable to use as there is.

RE: Once you've gone.....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:59:42 AM #
"Color is like racing stripes on your car, looks nice but dosen't do anything, but sure does look nice"

I used to think like you before, so I always skipped upgrading to color PDAs, I thought "Idon;t need to see my phone numbers in color" etc..
BUt then I tried a color one for one month and wow..
it really makes a difference; first of all, READABILITY, color screens with their backlights improves it 10000% It saves me about 5 seconds every time I look for data becouse I don't have to move the PDA or turn on the backlight. The screen makes the difference. And its very pleasanrt to the eyes.
Secondly, the USER INTERFACE improves a lot, you can organize your launcher file tabs by color, use coded color icons for your datebook, which helps a lot!! and so forth..


RE: Once you've gone.....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:47:48 PM #
Go on, you can admit it here, it's OK, we all know that the color screen is only really good for games.

RE: Once you've gone.....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 10:23:15 PM #
Well you see, I'm color blind, and to me the non-color screens look like brown letters on a gray background. I never knew what the buzz about PDAs was until I saw a colored screen!

15.7MB m515 vs. 14MB Palm "Backup" and "16MB Expansion" Card

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 4:41:52 PM #
Well it looks like those of us who own the Palm Backup Card and the "16MB" Card will be about 1.7MB short if we try to backup the entire m515 on the cards since these cards are truly only 14MB. I hope they still work with no (directory) conflicts until I approach the 14MB limit. Looks like Palm m515 users will need a 32MB Card OR a new "m515 Backup Card" that can handle the full 15.7MB.

RE: 15.7MB m515 vs. 14MB Palm
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 7:32:55 PM #
There is going to be a new backup card on Monday you idiot.

RE: 15.7MB m515 vs. 14MB Palm
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 7:48:48 PM #
You can use any SD or MM card to back up your palm onto. I have a 64mb MM and 32mb SD that I use. The palm backup card was a joke from the start for the cost.

RE: 15.7MB m515 vs. 14MB Palm
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 8:43:01 PM #
Hey ***, not my fault I am stupid!

RE: 15.7MB m515 vs. 14MB Palm
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:34:34 AM #
"There is going to be a new backup card on Monday you idiot."

Thanks for the obvious, *******.

"You can use any SD or MM card to back up your palm onto."

NOT if it's only 14MB and you have 15.7MB of DATA on your 515!!!!

RE: 15.7MB m515 vs. 14MB Palm
AzureGuy @ 3/3/2002 4:49:43 PM #
He was referring to ANY SD or MMC (regular!!!! 32MB and UP!!!) CALM DOWN!!! Here, have a cookie!!! (:)

* * *
HOW TO GET BLUETOOTH ON A UNSUPPORTED HANDHELD: Take a pair of pliars, place them around the nearest available tooth, pull, paint it blue, glue it to your handheld

Heh

safron @ 3/2/2002 6:15:13 PM #
I was in Brooklyn the other day and I saw some guys -dismantling- a pretty large m515 billboard. There may be no hope after all.

---
doug@tekno.nu
RE: Heh
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 6:57:02 PM #
That could just be that someone had said it shouldn't go up before Monday... potentially expensive mistake, but that doesn't stop lots of ppl from making them...

m130 screen info and high resolution pictures of m130/m505

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 7:38:40 PM #
InfoSync has high resolution pictures of both devices... Too bad the images are simulated.

It also says that the m130 screen...

"The major change is however that the m130 sports a transflective 16-bit STN LCD display, which based solely on the technology it uses should provide a better display experience than the color display of the Palm m505."

http://www.infosync.no/show.php?id=1531

RE: m130 screen info and high resolution pictures of m130/m505
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:42:13 AM #
These are not real pics you idiot.

RE: m130 screen info and high resolution pictures of m130/m505
cyruski @ 3/3/2002 3:18:19 PM #
> Too bad the images are simulated

he knows that too, "idiot"

cyruski!

m130 Pictures posted

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 7:47:13 PM #
over at

http://discussion.brighthand.com/palmhandhelds/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5978

Screen is transflective backlit like the Clie 615 except the colors are very vibrant and true just like the old IIIc (minus the grid effect of course)



m515: Got one in the Palm of my hand

PalmPowered @ 3/2/2002 9:09:30 PM #
I went to CompUSA in south Atlanta and the store had just put their allocation of five m515's in the locked case behind the counter. They told me they weren't allowed to sell them until Monday but I applied some "persuasion" (reminded them how much business our company does with them) and convinced the manager to sell me one. I can report after charge-up and some useage that the screen is much brighter than on the m505 and even on low, appears to be a tad bit brighter and crisper. On high, it no longer looks pinkish in some lights as it did on the 505. Side by side with the lights completely off, the 515's colors appear to be more defined (I had two other people who know nothing about Palms look and make sure I wasn't seeing things). The blues and reds don't look as washed out with the light off as they did on the 505. The case is smooth (not rough as some have reported it to be) with just some slight shading difference in the shade of silver it comes in (that could be due to handling of the 505 darkening it a little bit). The only exterior appearance difference is the "515" on the right top side and the little icon in the top right of the Graffiti screen that looks like the sun. This is to control the brightness (off, low, high). My unit was assembled in the USA. Don't know if Hungary will be making them as well or not. I am very happy with the new bright display and the doubling of the memory. This will be a big help due to the applications I store.
MB

-If you only knew the power of the Palm side-
RE: m515: Got one in the Palm of my hand
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:10:21 PM #
Did you compare the Sony 615 to the M515? What did you think. Why not go with the Sony or the M515?

RE: m515: Got one in the Palm of my hand
PalmPowered @ 3/4/2002 8:58:42 AM #
I like the Sony handhelds just fine...but since I already had a Kodak palm pic, a Palm folding keyboard and a Palm Modem that all work with the Palm universal connector, I can't see any reason to change. Using the m515 over the weekend, I found that I didn't really need the high setting although it is great for viewing pictures. The low setting is the "just right" spot for me -- brighter than the 505. I also found that even when the backlight is off, the colors are better and the display is clearer. This was confirmed by several people who looked at them in the latest "Coke-Pepsi" blind taste test.

-If you only knew the power of the Palm side-
RE: m515: Got one in the Palm of my hand
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:01:59 PM #
I have a Palm IIIC and all of the accesories you mentioned. I want to upgrade to the m515. Is there a connector that will allow me to use these same accessories?

How about 505 price ?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/2/2002 11:15:25 PM #
.... So how about 505 's price now ?

RE: How about 505 price ?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 2:39:04 AM #
Yeah, what happened to M505's price? Has it been lowered? How much?? And when will Palm Inc whill be shipping internationally?

RE: How about 505 price ?
crustyedgeofinnovation @ 3/3/2002 3:27:04 AM #
m505 is dicontinued, just working off the inventory, then that's it folks...i don't know about the price, could(should) come down a bit to move those babies out for the new m515's...

Palm strategy..at Office Depot

ColonelKlink @ 3/3/2002 12:57:50 AM #
At the store where I work, I'm told to put out a 'real' m515 and a fake m130, I can see why...

I think Palm's going to try and sell the m515 as a 'vast' improvement, and hey, we also have this cheaper one over here...

Unfortunatly, OD's not jumping the gun as usual, and won't be sending the m130s out until Monday...and I'll be there waiting for the truck to arrive...

Oh what a delightful pun!

Hed @ 3/3/2002 1:13:26 AM #
>Despite some reports that the m515 has a rougher >surface than the m505, that wasn't the case.

Hahaha! That was great.


It really is pathetic...

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 3:07:10 AM #
How sad to see Palm just throw away what market could have been theirs. They may have the OS, but as far as hardware goes, this is really the epitome of sales gimmick. Barely any difference, yet the same price. Furthermore, for this amount of money, the main competitor has more features and high-res (which until you have seen it, might not seem like a big deal, but once you do you will see what I mean). Looking at this pixilated screen is disgusting after you see high-res! And to pay $400 to do it on a "new" model? Terrible, just terrible.

RE: It really is pathetic...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:55:43 AM #
wait until they come out with the new and improved Claudia schiffer model......

RE: It really is pathetic...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:34:41 AM #
What's worse is that retailers are still pushing the 505 for the same price, and i some stores side by side. Here in Canada the 505 is selling for 630 and so is the 515 - how angry would you be on Monday after buying your 505 when you see the 515 for the same price.

More - "screw the customer" marketing from Palm

Too little too late....
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 9:30:20 AM #
This is what ought to be when m505 first came out. Now with high res. mp3 add-on etc with T615c, it will have a hard time coming back as it is still behind sony. Who knows what sony is coming up with this month?

Read www.brando.com.hk on rumours on Sony's new offering

RE: It really is pathetic...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 9:53:57 AM #
> Barely any difference, yet the same price.

So you would have preferred $50 more for the same thing? Instead, Palm has fixed the problems with the m505 and released the replacement, with more memory, for the same price.

Actually, YOU would have preferred the m515 to be $450, wouldn't you? Because that would give you more to whine about.

RE: It really is pathetic...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 10:31:50 AM #
"What's worse is that retailers are still pushing the 505 for the same price, and i some stores side by side."

You dumb***, the m515 isn't suppose to be sold yet. Palm hasn't even offically announced it. Once it's been announced you'll see the m505 sold cheaper than the m515.


RE: It really is pathetic...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 1:01:06 PM #
Hey you with the constant profanity and calling people here "dumb" and "idiot". You are a master of the obvious with your comments. Please spare us your white trash attitude and go watch your WWF or Nascar.

RE: It really is pathetic...
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:42:03 PM #
"... the main competitor has more features ..."

Yes, Sony's red or blue cases are so innovative, once you have seen them you can never go back. (Irony intended).

AHHHH dumb****
Bartman007 @ 3/4/2002 1:41:32 AM #
What is it with the anony dumb***** swearing so much. Ed, please kill the anony posting priv....

m515's Graffiti area backlit?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:49:57 AM #
Does anyone know if the m515's Graffiti area backlit like on the m505's? U can't really tell with these pix. Plus someone sent in pix of a 615 & 515 comparison and the Graffiti area didn't look like it was. That's a pretty good feature to have. Does anyone know?

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
cyruski @ 3/3/2002 6:59:57 AM #
it's not unfortunately..

cyruski!
RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:32:43 AM #
Do you not realize that the lit graf area was only the result of poor design? Why do you think the screen on the 505 is soo dim? The light is too far from the screen.

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
tsinvest @ 3/3/2002 8:25:38 AM #
I keep reading someone's comments about the graffiti area lighting was due to poor design. I tend to question this. Palm used this as a selling feature when the M505 came out and frankly I think they intended it to be lit. I think this is an extremely handy feature for those of us that keep their Palm on their night-stand to record thoughts after they have retired for the night. Since I have an M505 this doesn't upset me too much, however if I had to buy a new PDA this would be a major consideration.

In conclusion I don't think it was a poor design and I don't think the readibility of the M505 was ever a problem for most - I would prefer M505 lighting with M505 graffiti lights as opposed to M515 lighting with no graffiti lights.

Regards, Tom S.

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 8:49:50 AM #
I totally agree. And it's not about poor design, that's just a dumb excuse.

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 9:03:15 AM #
If you look at how ununiform the lighting is, and the fact that the light shows thru some of the buttons - you would realize that this is why the screen is so dim. Jeez - I had a 505 - so just face the music.

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 9:23:33 AM #
So ... there is no backlit on graffiti area for 515, do I understand correctly ?

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 10:40:11 AM #
Since the sidelight is now so much brighter now on the m515, I think there will be a bright enough "flashlight effect" on the grafitti are which will allow you to see what you are grafitti-ing. True grafitti illumination would have been night, but not at the expense of the screen display.

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 10:43:27 AM #
sorry:

are = area
night = nice

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:21:49 AM #
"Since the sidelight is now so much brighter now on the m515, I think there will be a bright enough "flashlight effect" on the grafitti are which will allow you to see what you are grafitti-ing."

Very true. What percentage of Palm users use their Palm in complete darkness? Can you say less than 1%? I knew you could. Besides, it's a no brainer...the grafitti area is just below the screen...doh! These people will bitch about anything. Next thing you know, Palm will release another one that has the grafitti lit but now the battery will not last as long. Then you'll see the same stupid people posting about the battery life. Geez...when will it end.

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 3:50:00 PM #
Oh yeah, no need to get emotional. It seems like your one of the few "stupid people" you're talking about who complain about everything, starting with the poor design. Need a tissue?

RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 4:27:08 PM #
I thought this was a question about a backlit gaffiti area on the m515. I don't think anyone here is bitching about the graffiti area but asking questions. It seems like the stupid people who bitch, that this guy's referring to is himself...
bitching about:
- poor design
- dim screen
- other people
- not knowing how tho spell the word "graffiti"
(that must be about his stupid people comment he's talking about)
Anyway, we now know the m515 does not have a lit graffiti area. It's a great selling feature the m505 had that the m515 doesn't.
Hey! Can somebody give this guy a tissue already!?


RE: m515's Graffiti area backlit?
PalmPowered @ 3/4/2002 9:06:30 AM #
To put all questions to rest on this subject, the m515's Graffiti area is NOT lit up with the light on either setting. As another poster remarked, their is enough light coming from this thing in the dark to see the entire handheld, including the Graffiti area. I don't know WHY they changed it but I'm sure there was some method to their madness.

-If you only knew the power of the Palm side-

Battery Life: M515 vs. T61/25C

gaardii @ 3/3/2002 11:25:10 AM #
Hullo laddies,

Okay, all brainy people out there realise that unless you have/need a pile of accessories the PalmOS handheld par excellence at the moment is the Sony T625C. But can anyone tell me what the Sony's battery is like? Is it similar to the M515/M505? Craig from Stirling - what's your thoughts?

If you don't already know (and many of you will), its my birthday tomorrow so please send many gifts to this thread.

Hooray!


Gordon from Edinburgh
*Loyal to PalmOS, but not to any manufacturer*

RE: Battery Life: M515 vs. T61/25C
gaardii @ 3/3/2002 11:32:28 AM #
Let me rephrase my badly put question: can anyone tell me how long a Sony will last at full charge under normal use? Is it comparable to M5xx?

Thanks,

Gordon from Edinburgh
*Are email ads for the M515 SPalm?*

RE: Battery Life: M515 vs. T61/25C
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 1:13:16 PM #
The T615C's battery life is about about 15% or 20% shorter than the m505's. It's too soon to say what the m515's is going to be like aside from the one guy here who said his brand-new m515 seemed to have better battery life than his m505.

Ed's review of the T615C had a m505/T615C battery comparison
(http://www.palminfocenter.com/palm/p_story.asp?ID=2869)

RE: Battery Life: M515 vs. T61/25C
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 3:06:16 PM #
I got 5.3 hours continuous on one T615c, with the backlight on the lowest setting and cpu mostly idle, from full charge to the first battery warning. After another 20-25 minutes, the unit shutdown until it was recharged.

RE: Battery Life: M515 vs. T61/25C
gaardii @ 3/3/2002 5:57:25 PM #
Thanks for answering my question, guys. I had a look at Ed's review. It says in the constant-drain battery test Ed did, the M505 lasted slightly longer than the T615 but that the T615 was on maximum brightness the whole time. Also that handheld batteries are designed to be used for short periods only, so the test only proves so much. Even so, I guess that battery life is pretty even between the two handhelds; M505 was quite a bit faster at recharging though. I've currently got a Vx and love it - especially the recharging time. 0-100% in about half an hour, I think! (Haven't actually timed it, but its fast!). Will replace it with a T625 soon, and sadly (yet happily) pass the Vx on to my wife.


Gordon from Edinburgh
*27 Years Old In One Hour!*

RE: Battery Life: M515 vs. T61/25C
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 7:57:01 PM #
I too had a Palm Vx and I use it alot. You only need to recharge perhaps every forthnight. But since I moved to the T615, it is a daily affair if you want to be anal about your battery level. Nonetheless, for a color device it isn't too bad. I turn the backlight level down real low and notice not too much of a difference if the light was turned up and the battery life improved.

Of course when I first got it and didn't realize the setting was high the screen sucked everything out of the battery in about 2 hours! All in all, until battery technology improves, the T615 won't leave you stranded. I only wish Sony provided some sort of USB recharge cable for people on the road.

The m130 is the REAL winner here...

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 1:13:47 PM #
I saw an m130 yesterday, and it was awesome! Yes, the screen size is a bit smaller (as with all m1xx series), but the brilliant, bright color offsets that completely. No, it's not hi-res, but that's about the only criticism you could possibly make of it. At that price, the m130 is, IMHO, how Palm will usher the "average" user(i.e., the ones who bought the m100/m105 like crazy) into the age of color.

Here's what I think: the m515 is essentially a "fix" for the underwhelming m505. Heck, they're probably taking old m505s and simply altering them slightly to make many of the m515s. But the m130 is Palm's preview into the future. I predict that the m525(or whatever they call it) will feature this screen, only with hi-res, OS 5.0, and perhaps some other compelling features.

The really interesting thing will be to see what Sony and Handera release between now & then. And naturally, people on this site will BMW(bitch, moan, & whine) about whose PDA is better...

RE: The m130 is the REAL winner here...
dmoody @ 3/3/2002 7:35:20 PM #
Saw the m130 this afternoon (Sunday) at CompUSA in Seattle/Shoreline. Apparently they've been selling the pair since Friday but only if someone walked a nd asked. No phone confirmations.

The m130 screen certainly leaves much to be desired - blurry scrolling on images, washed out reds - when compaired side by side with the m515.

Apparently CompUSA staff can only let you see one unit at a time unless it's mounted. So ask a staff person to hold the other and check for yourself.

I'll be ordering the m515 as soon as our friends in Utah process my returned m505.



SD vs memory stick?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 2:05:28 PM #
Asking again, this time more visibly.....

What are the facts about SD vs memory stick? Is it true that programs can be run from SD but not from the stick? How about access speed for programs & data (thesauri, photos)? How different (fast/slow) from accessing onboard RAM?


RE: SD vs memory stick?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 4:31:19 PM #
You can run program from SD and MemStick.

When did Sony drop the price of the N760C to $399?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 2:06:20 PM #
If you go to their website, the price is at $399.
On Ebay they can be had for even less...

Something else brewing at Sony??

RE: When did Sony drop the price of the N760C to $399?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:21:37 PM #
I think they are trying to stay competitive with Palm m515 which is to be release tomorrow.

CompUsa drops their Price for 505 and the 515!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:23:50 PM #
Just got back from picking up a new Palm M515 form CompUsa. Today is their Anniversary Sale in San Bruno, CA. M515 is $389 and M505 is $ 329. I'm not sure if it is only an anniversary sale in this one store or not...........

RE: When did Sony drop the price of the N760C to $399?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 6:00:37 PM #
Do they have the m130 at CompUSA in San Bruno?

RE: When did Sony drop the price of the N760C to $399?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 6:18:21 PM #
For what it is, $399 is still too much.

130's are at CompUsa in San Bruno, CA
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 8:34:54 PM #
And on sale too!!

M515- Black shadows when viewing screen from an angle

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 5:39:28 PM #
I've had an M515 since Friday and have already exchanged it for a second unit due to black shadows that appear on both sides of the screen, when the screen is viewed on an angle. Lo and behold, the second unit I brought home had the same problem! I never had the aforementioned issue with my M505 and am more than a little irritated that the engineers at Palm didn't do a better job with Quality Control (especially since the M515 is, essentially the same unit as the M505- albeit with a brighter screen and more memory). Have any new M515 owners experienced the same problem? I'm seriously thinking of switching to a Sony T-615, at least until Palm comes out with the new OS 5.0 units. Undestand that I've been loyal to Palm since the IIIC came out and am rather disappointed with this latest effort.

Posted By: parth66 @ Palm Boulevard's m515 message board

RE: M515- Black shadows when viewing screen from an angle
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 6:09:19 PM #
With or without the backlight? When I turn on the backlight on Low and view it from an angle I see the shadow too but I believe that's just a reflection off the side of the casing. It appears on both sides depending on what angle. Doesn't bother me since I don't view my new m515 from an angle. I look at it strait forward...I guess I'm just weird. Other than that, it's a nice unit. Does everything I need it to do.

RE: M515- Black shadows when viewing screen from an angle
escobar @ 3/3/2002 8:01:45 PM #
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RE: M515- Black shadows when viewing screen from an angle
escobar @ 3/3/2002 8:02:39 PM #
Whoops, hit the Enter-button by mistake! What I wanted to say was that my refurbished M505 that I recieved some days ago also has this problem. I don't know why, but there is a shadow from the two sides of the unit. So this is not only a problem awith the M515, but also with some M505's!

RE: M515- Black shadows when viewing screen from an angle
ahecht @ 3/3/2002 10:35:04 PM #
All the S-Series Clies displayed this effect too, which is the major reason I chose not to get one. My guess is that sony is making these new screens too (they made the screen on the US built 505s), and are using the same "bottomlight" as the S760, S710, and S610.

RE: M515- Black shadows when viewing screen from an angle
bradleyboy @ 3/3/2002 10:52:21 PM #
Gang,

I am an m505 owner with a new m515 to boot, and I also had a color Clie in my possession for a couple weeks. I definitely did notice the shadowing effect on the Clie, and I see it on the m515, too. As has already been mentioned, it's just the shadow cast by the casing. I don't think the units are "defective" in any way, this is just the consequence of the design.

I can be pretty anal, too, when it comes to my pda: the littlest scratch, speck of dust, etc. can drive me nuts. This slight shadowing effect (which I only notice in some lighting conditions, btw), is just something to live with.

Peace,

bradleyboy

m515-m130 differences

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 8:31:41 PM #
Other than the 16mb and flash rom, what exactly is the difference between these two units? Is the actual viewing area larger on the 515? I heard the screen is clearer on the 130, is this so? I have a 125, and looking to upgrade, will I see a difference with a 515 regarding viewing area and sharpness? Thanks.

Alan

RE: m515-m130 differences
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/3/2002 11:44:27 PM #
Other than the 16mb and flash rom, what exactly is the difference between these two units? Is the actual viewing area larger on the 515? I heard the screen is clearer on the 130, is this so? I have a 125, and looking to upgrade, will I see a difference with a 515 regarding viewing area and sharpness? Thanks.


What makes you decide to post here ? Do you read ANYTHING at all that is posted, specifically the different stories from PIC ?

If you would, you would have your answers already without wasting your and my time to write here.

The concept of RTFM comes to mind....

Now go back and start reading before thinking about posting redundant messages again.

RE: m515-m130 differences
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:13:30 AM #
I have read the above messages, and WHAT I am looking for is a difference in actual screen size between the two units, as well as clarity, two things that are NOT discussed in previous posts. Oh, and thanks for the smart-ass answer, prick. I'll find my information elswhere.

RE: m515-m130 differences
PalmPowered @ 3/4/2002 9:14:25 AM #
The m515 and the m505 have the same exact screen size. There is no visible appearance difference in the two units other than m515 designation on the case. Of course, the display is considerably brighter. The m130 has the same viewing area as the m105/100 duo. Because of the smaller screen, the pixels are closer together which actually gives it a higher definition than the m515, much like the difference in the m500 vs m105.

-If you only knew the power of the Palm side-

If all you want is 16MB memory....

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 12:37:29 AM #
If all you want is 16MB memory, you can always have www.stnecorp.com upgrade the memory.

OT: Screen Cover

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 11:24:29 AM #
Sorry that this is a bit off topic, but what is the clear hard plastic cover the 505 has attached to it in the article's pictures?

RE: OT: Screen Cover
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 2:26:41 PM #
It's a personality pack from Parallel Design. Go to paralleldesign.com and check them out. The absolutely sleekest solution for screen protection.

Where to get m515 in US?

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:48:02 PM #
Can someone tell me which major retail stores in the United States have stock on the m515?

I am in Southern California. I called a couple of Staples stores and they said they didnt have them yet.

RE: Where to get m515 in US?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 2:05:20 PM #
Let me expand on that. I want to walk into a store and see a m515 as opposed to doing it mail order. Thanks

RE: Where to get m515 in US?
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 8:36:03 PM #
All I know is that CompUsa had them Saturday. I bought one ! I also read that Best Buy had them on display (and for sale I believe).

m505 w/ backlight on vs m515 standard screen??

I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 1:57:33 PM #
Everyone says the m515 screen is brighter. Does it just look the same as if you turned on the backlight on the m505?

Can you read the m515 screen in direct sunlight like you can the m505?

RE: m505 w/ backlight on vs m515 standard screen??
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/4/2002 2:37:17 PM #
RFA

RE: m505 w/ backlight on vs m515 standard screen??
I.M. Anonymous @ 3/5/2002 2:28:49 PM #
With the light off, the m505 and m515 look the same and both can be read in direct sunlight. If you turn on the m505's light and turn the m515's light on low, they look almost the same with the m515 being maybe a little brighter. If you turn the m515's light to high, it blows the m505 away.

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