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Barton Gellman, who is attending the TechXNY tradeshow in New York this week, got the opportunity to spend about an hour yesterday morning trying out the just announced Kyocera 7135 smartphone, which includes an MP3 player and an SD slot for external file storage. He was kind enough to write up his impressions and send them in.
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GSM again...

mtg101 @ 6/26/2002 8:55:29 AM #
Very nice. Now can we have a GSM one so the rest of the world can get one? Or don't Kyocera want our money?

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russ@russb.fsnet.co.uk
RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 9:38:46 AM #
Oh come on. You guys (GSM) get almost every cool phone on the market. In the US we're usually stuck with all the castrated versions of the same phones that are just so cool in their GSM incarnation.

I don't quite understand why it's so hard to release for all networks, but really, you have nothing to complain about.

RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 11:14:56 AM #
I was thinking the same thing, also in Europe so I need GSM, I currently have a Treo but I would drop it in a second for one of these or the samsung shown a couple of days ago.
RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 3:18:14 PM #
GSM is the best in the World . I cannot anderstend ,
how come GSM is not popular in America .
RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 4:00:11 PM #
>>GSM is the best in the World . I cannot anderstend ,
how come GSM is not popular in America .<<

Simply, because it's been mismanaged. After being forced into a different part of the spectrum from the Eurasian version, the only nationwide carrier, VoiceStream, never bothered to build out the network to provide the coverage of the CDMA carriers. Now that AT&T and Cingular are converting to GSM (for 3G services), GSM's plight in the US will likely improve.

RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 4:12:24 PM #
VoiceStream isn't the only nationwide carrier, it was just the only one that went coast to coast first.

Cingular (granted Cingular is not really one company) has GSM coverage on both coasts, just not over all their network. VoiceStream doesn't even service my state at all, so it's not like pervasiveness is a criteria for defining "nationwide"....

RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 5:27:29 PM #
how can anyone complain about 153 kbp/s downloads and gps support? CDMA rules
RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 12:43:08 AM #
no way will kyocera make a GSM phone after they bought qualcomms phone business...
qualcomm=cdma

...

RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 2:16:36 AM #
"qualcomm=cdma"

So basically they are screwed ..... CDMA is like acient history in most places except maybe China and US.

RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 4:36:38 AM #
ALL the US unlike GSM. And Japan and South Korea (where CDMA is king) and many other countries around the world. It's also a much better technology with faster downloading speeds.
RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 10:40:55 AM #
"So basically they are screwed ..... CDMA is like acient history in most places except maybe China and US."

Heheheh. Like the US isn't the most important market in the world. Where are you from, like The NETHERLANDS or something?

There's a good reason the USA is arrogant. Silly little Euro-Australia-etc wannabes...

RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/3/2002 3:29:42 PM #
Actually, as I understand it, the EU and elsewhere demure to use CDMA because of the cost of paying Qualcomm for it. They've tried to introduce their own spread-spectrum alternative, but Qualcomm's international patents are so broad (with more applications all the time) that they haven't been able to do this without infringing on them, so they ended up with a compromise called W-CDMA, which is kind of a GSM network with a CMDA carrier. I don't know what the deployment of W-CDMA is. However, there can be no more efficient use of spectrum than CDMA or some derivative thereof, so it's bound to win in the end.

Kyocera has not introduced a GSM phone to this point. However, they did have some initial commitment to use only Qualcomm chipsets in the purchase agreement, which I believe has expired, so this may change soon.

RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/5/2002 5:12:38 PM #
CDMA2000 is going to be used for the next generation of GSM, so saying that CDMA is ancient history seems rather silly.

GPRS is a transitional piece GSM carriers are tacking onto current TDMA based GSM systems to make data transfer rates of GSM competitive with CDMA's packet based technology.

RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/7/2002 9:59:12 AM #
Retards only get to use Treos.
RE: GSM again...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/17/2002 8:12:29 PM #
I have just travled through several port cities (NYC, St. John,NB, Candada, and, Halifax,NS, Canada) and since I use CDMA (mind you, I don't have wireless web) and I will say this. GSM may be a world phone, but CDMA is still the best. This said, because I get a full Five bars signal in Halifax, versus onlly 1 to 3 bars where I livve. I am saying that CDMA will eventally be better than GSM and be the true world phone.
-Joey from New Jersey
RE: GSM again...
TapPadGuy @ 9/23/2002 1:54:13 PM #
Signal strength is dependent on network/tower coverage, not the quality of GSM vs. CDMA. GSM is sure to win out in the end IMHO because it is a world standard, and virtually all US carriers are now converting to it. I'm sure CDMA will be around for quite a while, but GSM/GPRS networks are expanding rapidly. Hopefully GPRS data usage will be integrated into minutes used rather then amount of data transferred as CDMA does. How does this work overseas? Is data usage billed separately from voice as it is in the US?

RE: GSM again...
AZPalm @ 10/15/2002 4:30:32 PM #
Anyone who thinks that GSM is a better technology than CDMA obviously doesn't know what they are talking about.

It is widely understood that CDMA gives better signal quality and more calls/spectrum than GSM. This is cheaper for the carrier and therefore cheaper for the customer.

The only reason GSM is so widely used around the world is because the socialist governments of Europe forced an early standardization on this inferior technology.

Now, carriers in Europe are paying the price because the migration path from GSM to 3G is very expensive and will require large capital expenditures to completely replace all transmitters. W-CDMA (aka UMTS) is the 3G version of GSM. GPRS is the 2.5G step between GSM and W-CDMA.

CDMA carriers have a much less expensive migration path to 2.5G and 3G. CDMA2000 (and CDMA2000 1X, -1X EV-DO, etc.) will not require the massive changes to the infrastructure and are also backwards compatible with 2G (GSM/GPRS/W-CDMA is not).

ALs, since most handsets now are made in Korea and Japan, and Korea and Japan are going to CDMA2000, there are more CDMA2000 handsets available than W-CDMA handsets.

Therefore, CDMA carriers will have to spend less money to implement the 3G systems, will be able to roll it out much sooner, have more handsets available for their customers, and will start having 3G revenue come in much quicker. The safe bet is that CDMA2000 will win out in the end.

But the Socialist European governments may bail out the bankrupt GSM carriers rather than let the market decide, so there are no sure bets.

See www.3gnewsroom.com if you have any questions.

RE: GSM again...
moko @ 11/4/2002 10:47:05 AM #
Soon GSM users will be able to utilise CDMA/TDMA networks. I believe this will work for all you CDMA users too.

So you see, our 'Socialist Governments???' may have hit the mark after all.


RE: GSM again...
Guy @ 11/12/2002 4:27:16 AM #
Hi!

I'm from Slovenia (Europe) and we have the GSM standard. I'm not interested in which standard is better. I'd only want to know if you think that Kyocera will make a 7135 compatible with our standard or not.
Thanks for the answer.

''high rez'' let down!

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 9:41:09 AM #
Too bad it's not 320x320... that would have been really amazing. That and a thumboard... Maybe SonyEricsson will think something up for GSM/GPRS/EDGE
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
Scott R @ 6/26/2002 10:04:28 AM #
Yes, disappointing, but it doesn't surprise me. I had suspected that "hi-res" to them meant "higher res than a normal cell phone". Still, it sounds very nice. I'd have to reserve final judgement till I've seen it, but I like the sounds of it better than my Samsung i300.

Scott

RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 3:03:59 PM #
I'll put up with 160x160 for some extra battery life any day!
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 5:28:44 PM #
the other option would be "yet another hi-res API" that will become obsolete when PalmOS 5 devices arrive. Remember, there are now 4 hi-res implementations: Handera, Sony hi-res, Sony hi-res + (on the NR series) and the hi-res on the samsung phone
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 7:27:31 PM #
It's called the P800 =D
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 7:48:42 PM #
does the P800 have 16 bit color, GPS, SD slot and compatibility with thousands of PalmOS apps?
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
drw @ 6/26/2002 9:11:28 PM #
I'm not impressed with 320x320. Every time I play with a sony in a computer store I get this annoying screen blanking flicker as it switches from home view to app view. That would drive me nuts.

I have a 6035. The screen is small such that even if it did have hirez, utilizing it with spreadsheets would require me to have a magnifying glass.

David in Pflugerville, TX

RE: ''high rez'' let down!
Pentagonal @ 6/26/2002 9:30:36 PM #
Maybe they meant HiRes in terms of more pixels per square inch than, say, a Palm V/m5xx, but of course the same could be said of the m130, and Palm has, more scrupulously, chosen not to make grandiose claims about the resolution of that device.

Perhaps we could call this resolution standard "HiRes-".

RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 11:43:24 PM #
"Hi-res" is compared to an average cell phone's dotted LCD screen.
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 2:00:08 AM #
"does the P800 have 16 bit color, GPS, SD slot and compatibility with thousands of PalmOS apps?"

I think they do have a 16Bit screen if not better
And this phone is GPS Ready not GPS BUILT-IN . That means you are limited to use a certain phone carrier who offers the 911 thingy
No SD Slot, but SonyEricsson does have an industrial standard MemoryStick Slot.
And P800 is not compatible with thousands of PalmOS Apps, but ironicly so is PalmOS 5.


Does Kyocera 7135 have a real High Res big screen !? no
Does Kyocera 7135 have built-in Bluetooth !? no
Does Kyocera 7135 run on GSM 1900/1800/900 (so called World phone) !? no
So will you be able to use Kyocera 7135 in anywhere except US !? I doubt it

RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 4:18:18 AM #
I wasn't trying to bash the p800, just to point out that we have 2 phones with their own unique features. The p800 only has 4096 colors but it has hi-res. The kyocera has 65000 colors but no hi-res. Memory stick duo isn't quite as standard as SD which is used by Palm, Handera, Hanspring, various pocketpc's and many other devices. It also has a smaller capacity. PalmOS 5 should be compatible with thousands of PalmOS 4 apps but it's irrelevant since the kyocera doesn't use OS 5. And CDMA is a good network that is available all over the US. That's more important to most US business travelers than the occasional trip to Europe. In the end it doesn't matter to me because I'd rather get a treo with a real keyboard that can fit in the palm of my hand. That's more important to me than a built in camera or 65 thousand colors.
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2002 10:07:43 AM #
Posted by: I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 2:00:08 AM

-->And this phone is GPS Ready not GPS BUILT-IN<---

GPS is built in putz, read the facts. IT's an APGS solution that uses the network for completing the POS LOC. ALL carriers must support the E911 Phase two mandate, it's requried by the FCC.

http://www.fcc.gov/911/enhanced/releases/factsheet_requirements_012001.pdf

-->That means you are limited to use a certain phone carrier who offers the 911 thingy<--

See above...


-->Does Kyocera 7135 have a real High Res big screen !? no<--

It's a phone, I don't want 320x320 against my head to talk...you would look like an idiot.

-->Does Kyocera 7135 have built-in Bluetooth !? no<--

Doesn't need to. IT has SD so you can get the SD Bluetooth card if you insist on being able to communicate with the handfull of other devices in the world that have that crappy technology.

-->Does Kyocera 7135 run on GSM 1900/1800/900 (so called World phone) !? no<--

You europeans really are strugling with that GSM thing aren't you....

-->So will you be able to use Kyocera 7135 in anywhere except US !? I doubt it <--

Seeing how many world travelers there are.....

RE: ''high rez'' let down!
Dan Harkless @ 7/2/2002 8:08:30 PM #
I have yet to get a cell phone or PDA because wireless web (and to a lesser extent, email and SSH remote host access) is the killer app for me.

However, 160x160 is simply not sufficient for general-purpose web browsing (or viewing 80-column text, etc.).

I badly want a 2.5G or 3G phone (preferably on a network that has a provider in Southern California offering flat-rate data access -- I guess Sprint CDMA 1xRTT this summer is the last hope for this) with a full-featured PDA and a resolution of 240x320 or greater.

Sadly, it looks like the only phones to come out in the forseeable future with these specs run Microsoft OSes. I really don't want to support Microsoft, but the alternative looks to be to wait until sometime in 2003 (or beyond) to get a phone...

RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/7/2002 10:07:34 AM #
This rez is pleanty good for a clamshell smartphone. Only europussies want movies on their little-teenie-tiny-chic-freak-fuk-phones. A "high rez" let-down" is when your wife runs the bong through the dishwasher.
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/21/2002 3:19:06 PM #
I think you are kinda missing the boat.
The 7135 will be marketed toward people like myself.

I do not use a Palm every day, but I REQUIRE a cell phone. I like this device because it is PRIMARILY a cellphone, and SECONDARILY a PDA. This is perfect. I do not plan to play games, only keep an address book, date book, and tasks/lists. Include the MP3 player and an SD slot, and I am happier than a pig in slop. I could care less that it can't upgrade to Palm OS5.

In talking with Kyocera's sales team, this is how they will market it - Cell phone with PDA abilities.

RE: ''high rez'' let down!
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/2002 3:34:42 AM #
gh
RE: ''high rez'' let down!
king_of_the_huns @ 3/31/2003 3:23:52 PM #
Whom ever used a 320x320 high-resolution to read emails/notes/etc. can not go back to 160x160.

BTW, the 320x320 and 160x160 has the same PHYSICAL screen size, so you would not look "stupid" holding a "big something" to your head... Check you the SONY Clie's to see what I mean... The fonts are just easy to read...

Great review

Scott R @ 6/26/2002 10:06:18 AM #
Thanks for the excellent pre-review, Barton!

Scott

RE: Great review
Scott R @ 6/26/2002 10:07:02 AM #
BTW, did you point out the problem you had with entering numbers in the memo pad to the PR guy? It sounds like it would be fairly easy for them to fix before release (or perhaps via a patch).

Scott

RE: Great review
gellmanb @ 6/26/2002 10:23:14 AM #
Thanks. Goetter and I played together with the number-entry problem, so he saw it. I hope they fix it, as I'd rather enter numbers than text. I've used TapPad for the constant problem of taking down a phone number as someone says it, but this would be better.

RE: Great review
Sholey @ 6/26/2002 11:12:51 AM #
Great job man! Thanks for all the info! Sounds like a winner.
The only problem I see is for a cell phone not to have a good screen outside where most of my calls are made!

RE: Printer questions?
bcombee @ 6/26/2002 12:49:44 PM #
The issue with phone number entry would be solved by a longer number timeout. I hope they expose the keypad as virtual characters to apps first before trying to interpret them, as this could turn the phone into an amazing gaming device -- bright, color screen, MP3 and wave playback under software control, and a directional keypad with action buttons at the top -- think Snake 2010!

--
CodeWarrior for Palm OS technical lead
Programming help at www.palmoswerks.com
RE: Great review
drw @ 6/26/2002 9:16:26 PM #
What about the CALCULATOR???? Does the keypad default to number entry for the calculator app?

David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: Great review
drw @ 6/26/2002 9:17:52 PM #
To the guy who makes most of his calls outside:

Use the keypad. most people I call I have their numbers memorized so I tend to dial it or use voice recognition dialing (on my kyo6035)

I wish I was outside more. I have the opposite need. I'm indoors entering data into handbase and behind the bar particularly I have a dead spot where it's too dark for regular screen, and too light for the backlight to help on the 6035. I look forward to having a color device. To yall crybabies who are lucky enough to be outside I say: "tuff" :-)

David in Pflugerville, TX

RE: Great review
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/3/2002 2:01:34 PM #
Yes the keypad defaults to number entries only in the calculator app
RE: Great review
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/7/2002 12:14:29 AM #
There's an easy solution to this -- Nokia does it for example -- put the number at the beginning of the sequence. So to enter '2' you hit the 2 key once, and to enter 'B' you hit 2 three times (so the display shows 2, then A, then B). This works well since you enter numbers more often than individual letters, particularly on a telephone. So making numbers most convenient, and letters a little less convenient, makes sense.

I wonder what ever happened to that compact keyboard some company in the UK designed. Remember, the clever one with number buttons between the letters so that you could type full alpha-numeric in a small grid of buttons? The idea was that when you pressed on 'A' you were really pressing in buttons a the diagonal corners, and when you were typing numbers you hit the buttons directly, so you could make the keyboard very small and with fairly few buttons. Darned clever, and I haven't seen it in any products yet. Perfect for a phone...

RE: Great review
bigmack56 @ 10/21/2002 9:29:05 AM #
Dave in Pflugerville...

I love your town.. I am in Dallas, and have noticed the same problems with the 6035.. I ABSOLUTELY HATE the backlit screen.. It is totally bogus unless in pitch black.. I got mine after driving down I-35 one day, looking over at the guy in an expensive BMW (M5) next to me, and seeing a palm in one hand, a cell in the other, and I can bet he had a cup of hot JAVA between his legs -- going 75mph..

GPS with MAP

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 10:12:14 AM #
Can you use the GPS with a mapping software?
RE: GPS with MAP
gellmanb @ 6/26/2002 10:45:48 AM #
I don't understand this well, but what I gather is that this is not GPS from satellites - it comes from the cellular carrier, and depends on what they offer. Right now the service doesn't exist. When it does my wild guess is it will work only with the carrier's chosen products - not a mapping application that uses a normal GPS add-on.

RE: GPS with MAP
Palm_Otaku @ 6/26/2002 1:05:41 PM #
I haven't read up on this too much, but I believe this feature uses a system where each cellular tower broadcasts it's location, and the phone triangulates these to determine its approximate location. It's a feature for the mandated "e911" service.

IOW, these phones don't access the satellite-based GPS system.

RE: GPS with MAP
Scott R @ 6/26/2002 1:28:13 PM #
That is correct. However, it is my understanding that this technology may eventually be used for location-based services. This is kind of like what the Palm i705 (and VII-series) do thanks to the Mobitex network. They're able to determine your present zip code. While the accuracy of this system may not be as good as satellite-based GPS, it could probably give a good enough approximation such that you could use it in much the same way. Again, though, that depends on the carriers offering it, and none of them have announced any such plans at this time.

Scott

RE: GPS with MAP
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 10:35:49 PM #
I have also read that these phones have a "partial" gps receiver. Triangulating by basestations isn't accurate enough. Apparently there are servers in the system that predict the gps signals your phone should recieve and help augment the onboard reciever. A google search turns up some good information.
GPS is REAL!!!
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 12:04:35 AM #
From the video below, the rep from Kyocera said the GPS gets signal from Satellites!

www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/110-1.htm


No mention how it works with mapping though.


RE: GPS with MAP
ahecht @ 6/28/2002 5:18:51 AM #
Some e911 services use cell tower triangulation, but that only works in dense urban areas. In many parts of the country (including most of suburbia), a phone only receives a signal from one tower at a time, so many e911 phones will use GPS (as in the satellites). I don't know which the 7135 uses, but it would be great to have a PDA with built in GPS navingation.

RE: GPS with MAP
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/3/2002 5:50:42 AM #
GPS - Global Positioning System, so that you know where you are...

These phones probably in fact are talking about...

GPRS - G... Packet RADIO Service, sorry can't remember what G meant (Probably Global)...and this means they know where you are, and you can talk / send data wherever anyone has made an effort to put the service in place...

RE: GPS with MAP
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/3/2002 6:08:46 PM #
_CDMA_ uses the timebase from the GPS satellites, already. These phones use a full-fledged GPS receiver (Kyocera's upcoming E-911 compliant phones will use a ARM-CPU-core/flash-memory/CMDA-AMPS-Transceiver/GPS-receiver chip.

It strikes me that, since their non-Palm phones use chips with the ARM CPU core, a future product using PalmOS 5 would be a natural outgrowth (though I think that the chip would probably have to support more external RAM).

RE: GPS with MAP
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/7/2002 10:37:42 AM #
I'm going to surgically implant my children with GPS microchips, so that if they get off their leashes, I can hunt them down.
RE: GPS with MAP
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/8/2002 10:52:47 PM #

Is this SnapTrack's a-gps IC you're talking about?

RE: GPS with MAP
valid @ 7/13/2003 3:45:32 AM #
will there ever be a gps sd card. that would be interesting to out on the market

Size

Boze @ 6/26/2002 10:12:03 AM #
I just noticed that this device is slightly larger (at 3.97 x 2.43 x 1.17) than the Treo, while the Samsung Bluechip look-alike is the size of an average flip phone (3.4 x 2.1 x .85). By looking at the pictures, they look the same. I think it's great that these two devices aren't EXACTLY the same, but serve two slightly different audiences and (probably) price points.

And BTW--I have to give Samsung credit for having the brass balls to release 2 Palm OS devices this year (the Bluechip AND the i300 replacement)!

====
Boze
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RE: Size
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 10:30:18 AM #
I am predicting that we will see at least one other "Phone" Treo (other than the rumored Treo 300) this year.
RE: Size
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 8:02:05 PM #
looks like Kyocera wants to be the "Clie" of palmphones (multimedia and all the goodies). Yeah if you want the same basic design with more battery life and less bulk you go for the Samsung. but I want the keyboard so treo is the way to go for me
RE: Size
drw @ 6/26/2002 9:24:39 PM #
Since this is kyo's first crack at an SD slot it remains to be seen what intricasies will be supported like will it:

-run apps from card?
-or at least copy to ram and run seamlessly
-etc...

Cool would be an SD gps card so if you got lost you could put that in.

David in Pflugerville, TX

RE: Size
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 10:02:35 PM #
> at least copy to ram and run seamlessly

Palm OS 4 already does this.

RE: Size
KB2PMD @ 6/27/2002 12:37:34 PM #
Also, as far as the GPS SD card question goes... the phone supports e-911 reception, which means that it uses a slightly different method (using both the cell towers and GPS reception) to locate where you are. I don't see why you would need a separate GPS unit. Besides, this type of GPS should work better indoors anyway.
-Mike

RE: Size
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 3:00:07 PM #
The kyocera is smaller than the Treo in width and height. It is 1/4 of a inch thicker and .7 ounces heavier. With a removable battery, sdmmc card slot, 16 bit color screen, graffiti and keypad, and much more durable, it is worth it. I will dump my Treo as soon as it comes out.
RE: Size
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/7/2002 10:20:57 AM #
I'm really frickin' upset. Isn't this phone supposed to blow me?
RE: Size
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/17/2002 9:38:41 PM #
Yes, when you compare it to the junky Treo, or any other Palm smartphone available.

Moving MP3 files to device?

kevdo @ 6/26/2002 10:52:45 AM #
Any word on whether the downloader application to get MP3 files onto this works on a Mac, OSX in particular?

-Kevin Crossman
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
gellmanb @ 6/26/2002 11:58:21 AM #
Didn't think to ask about Mac support for that.

RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
kevdo @ 6/26/2002 12:57:06 PM #
If you can move the MP3 files to the card through other means (such as an SD card reader/usb interface) will the device find them to play them?

If so, that would make things relatively easy for both Mac or Windows users.

-Kevin Crossman

RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 3:27:56 PM #
same question here. there are a lot of Mac user that have the 6035 and will buy the 7135. So if you can store MP3's to a SD or MMC will the player on the 7135 see them? If so it will make our lives much easier
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
drw @ 6/26/2002 9:49:22 PM #
I'm a talk radio addict (ok, i said it). more attuned to me would be an AM radio in the smartphone that I could listen to in one earbud while browsing in computer stores and when I get a call the radio would stop and I'd hear "incoming call, answer?"

course if I found out a way to convert ArtBell shows to MP3, and save on SD cards, then that's something I could use. I can't stand music, sorry.

David in Pflugerville, TX

RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 12:26:48 PM #
I just found out that the MP3 player will play MP3's from the MMC media. So for those of us running OS X my suggestion is to buy the SD/MMC USB reader from ScanDisk http://www.esend.com/sandisk/products.asp?value=MEMR&valueIs=dept&mscssid=SU0DAEEB20R38HP1TKT02HWWKDQU9DS4
which works native with OS X
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/7/2002 10:42:32 AM #
Will this device support pornographic applets?
RE: Moving MP3 files to device?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 7:49:58 PM #
I've got a Palm m515, and I found that I was able to copy files from my Mac to the SD card using a SD-to-PCMCIA adapter. You'd be able to do the same thing with a desktop USB-to-PCMCIA adapter.

This is far better than transferring files by syncing, since it's so much faster. Using the PCMCIA adapter, files copy at almost 1mb/second.

Built in stylus???

tranft @ 6/26/2002 10:53:46 AM #
What about the built in stylus. We've never seen a pic of the back of the unit. Is there one there?

RE: Built in stylus???
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 12:48:32 PM #
From the pictures i've seen, it's on the left hand side. Which brings up the question, why do all phone have the antennas on the right side? Especially for these new smartphones, wouldn't it make sense to put the antenna on the left side so you could put the stylus on the right?
RE: Built in stylus???
djmangen @ 6/26/2002 2:08:44 PM #
I suspect that the antenna is on the right is because most people use their left ear for speaking on the phone. This keeps the antenna in a slightly more upright position.

RE: Built in stylus???
drw @ 6/26/2002 9:31:44 PM #
I'm a lefty so I'm not complaining.

Another thing missing from the pictures is the infrared port. Did they 86 it?

David in Pflugerville, TX

RE: Built in stylus???
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 1:27:51 AM #
First good question Dave has asked. I think the IR port is on the left hinge. Notice how it's thicker than the right one.

Nice overview Barton!

Palm_Otaku @ 6/26/2002 12:53:51 PM #
Ah, it's great to hear a first-hand report! Thanks :)

I'm left with only a couple questions on the specs:
- if it's washing out in direct sunlight, then it may use transmissive, not transflective, screen technology
- how much ROM, and whether it is flash or mask (heh, and if it's flash, how much is used/free)

Pretty cool 3rd generation device for Kyocera (pdQ > 6035 > 7135) and I hope it does well for them.

Screen too small

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 1:17:28 PM #
Sorry screen too small and no OS5, nice try again. They only thing they accomplished is the weight from the previous model.
RE: Screen too small
Scott R @ 6/26/2002 1:31:05 PM #
If you're concerned about the screen being too small to read the text well (a problem I had with my short stint with the 6035), don't be. Thanks to the much improved contrast of a color screen (black text on a white background), smaller screens work out alright when they're color (my i300 has a very small screen).

If you're concerned about usability (tapping buttons, selecting text, etc.), then you're right. My i300 can be quite aggravating to use at times.

Scott

RE: Screen too small
drw @ 6/26/2002 9:39:37 PM #
oh, and I just see tons of OS5 devices at CompUSA currently, and tons of OS5 apps already ported.

you're putting the cart before the horse. Before you can land on the moon u have to first have a saturn 5 rocket to get off this rock.

smartphones require integration to work. They need existing stuff not vapor to work with. Look, handspring is using 3.5.2 in it's smartphones, no?

David in Pflugerville, TX

RE: Screen too small
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 1:29:12 AM #
Damn Dave, stop confusing me. Good points, but Treo's use 4.1. But I've given up waiting for OS5. Because when I do, all the people will just say wait for XScale, then for OS6. I spend my money NOW because it will run everything I need, has an external keyboard, mp3 and expansion slot and a PHONE. I don't need flicker-res(Which seems to be crash-prone and needs a lot of configuring) or aluminum finishes. Maybe YOU do, but don't preach your opinions to the deaf.
RE: Screen too small
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 6:46:53 AM #
The Treo 180 and 270 communicators use Palm OS 3.5.2. The Treo 90 uses Palm OS 4.1, but it doesn't have any wireless capabilities.

So... sux0r.

RE: Screen too small
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 11:26:03 AM #
I think there is some confusion about what OS5 does and doesn't do. OS5 would be useless on this device. For better or worse, OS5 basically allows migration to new hardware (ARM) as a standard. Notice there is no OS5 upgrade being offered because it wouldn't do anything. Since this device is running on a Dragonball processor and doesn't have a hi-res screen it doesn't need OS5 to do what it does. If you like the phone, buy it--just don't give "no OS5" as an excuse.
RE: Screen too small
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 4:43:53 PM #
If you go on Msn.com and look up this phone they list a 24-bit display how odd

Open the screen for every appointment?

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 1:02:05 PM #
Bummer you have to open the clamshell for every appointment, and to check schedule.
RE: Open the screen for every appointment?
drw @ 6/26/2002 9:33:22 PM #
Well, I had to open the lid on my Palm IIIe for every appointment. One gets used to it. Treo has a good idea, pity it has so many problems though. Check out treocentral.com forums to learn about the all the problems the treo 270 has like screen going black, sim card not recognized, flip closed headset answering, then hanging up on callers. This is not the type of robustness required for a business device so I have temporarily closed the book on the treo.

David in Pflugerville, TX

Excellent

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 5:34:07 PM #
Great preview and wow, what a device. I'd choose this over a Treo anytime.
I hope there'll be a GSM+GPRS version soon, cause this is one great device!

What is the size btw?

Excellent (2)
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 5:38:11 PM #
By the way, I really don't care for Hi-Res.. and there aren't any OS5 devices availible yet, so why yawning about the fact that this one doesn't have it? Should they stop making PalmOS handhelds at all until OS5 is out?

Handspring is dead

mikecane @ 6/26/2002 6:30:35 PM #
This phone puts the Treo to shame. I played with it myself. (I didn't get to do the screen test Barton did, however.)

The Treo looks and feels like an autistic child's creation and toy. The KPhone feels like a expensive *tool*.

K did everything right. Let's just hope Jeff Hawkins doesn't wind up at Microsoft. But he will need a new job; because Handspring is dead.

RE: Handspring is dead
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 7:15:03 PM #
just by looking at the picture if there's only Treo and Kyocera 7135 I'd say I'll buy Kyocera 7135, I think they got everything just right, not too geeky, not too bulky, and not too PDA like. Treo looks like a PDA pretending to be a phone, and this Kyocera 7135 looks like it's a phone with PDA functions.

Treo's idea of only putting the speaker at the flip cover is just dumb. It's sad that they copied from Nextel's i1000.

RE: Handspring is dead
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 7:50:50 PM #
not quite. Treo is the only palmphone with a real keyboard. I can be jealous of the other features but when it comes down to it, I want a palmphone that lets me compose emails on the go and Kyocera's POTS keypad just doesn't cut it
RE: Handspring is dead
mikecane @ 6/27/2002 4:18:32 PM #
Good luck! You take the Treo keyboard, I do Graffiti -- and I'll have *two* emails done to your 1/2! And you'll just *love* the RSI...

RE: Handspring is dead
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 1:41:01 AM #
And just TRY going to the APPS menu... in a single button press. Sheesh, Handspring is crazy sometimes.
RE: Handspring is dead
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 2:35:39 PM #
nah. until other palm devices comes out w/
GSM phones, handspring has a future.

most business users require GSM, as that is
the standard everywhere outside US and China.

business units have higher gross margins than
consumer units.

E-Mail

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 6:53:56 PM #
Does anyone know whether there will be support for "push" e-mail from behind a corporate firewall as with Treo Mail or Blackberry?

Answer to questions

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 10:18:26 PM #
Some of your questions are answered in a treocentral video at:

http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/110-1.htm

Scroll down to the videos.


RE: Answer to questions
drw @ 6/27/2002 2:59:43 AM #
thanks for the link, nice video, very informative

David in Pflugerville, TX

text as in press 2 2x will be B

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/26/2002 11:25:41 PM #
will catch up. alot of people are using text messenging on a daily basis so this feature is promising. i would get this phone for this feature alone IF ITS gonna be on voicestream


graph

RE: text as in press 2 2x will be B
drw @ 6/27/2002 3:02:47 AM #
kyo will never make non CDMA phones.

David in Pflugerville, TX
RE: text as in press 2 2x will be B
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 5:00:25 AM #
I'd rather press a B button once

Overseas

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 6:12:00 AM #
Will we be able to buy this 7135 phone in the Philippines or Saudi Arabia?
RE: Overseas
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/21/2002 11:02:19 PM #
This has got to be one of the dumbest questions I have ever seen, hence why no one except myself has replied. Kyocera hasn't even announced US carriers, much less overseas ones (which there will likely be none of). So no, unless Kyocera sells phones in your country and your country has the network to support the device (CDMA), Kyocera will not be selling the device in your country. Use some common sense now...


I want this!

Strider_mt2k @ 6/27/2002 6:42:54 AM #
This looks extremely cool!
I'm carrying a BW Palm and a phone now, and to go beyond just combining them sounds great to me!


strider_mt2k@yahoo.com

RE: I want this!
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 11:13:38 AM #
We are excited to see that there are others as obsessed with these gadgets as we are. Looking forward to the color palm and phone combo! What a day that will be!!!
-Marsha & Patti

MP3 ringers???

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 4:28:33 PM #
Can you use MP3 files as ringers on this phone?
RE: MP3 ringers???
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 1:20:12 PM #
Yes MP3 files can be used as ringers.. isnt that amazing
RE: MP3 ringers???
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/29/2002 8:53:56 AM #
what about this. if your listening to an MP3 with head set on and a call comes in, will it pause the MP3 and say "incoming call" you say "yes" then when the call is over the MP3 starts playing again.
Now that would be cool!
RE: MP3 ringers???
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/1/2002 7:18:02 PM #
Yes, it will pause the MP3 song when a call comes in..

RE: MP3 ringers???
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/1/2002 7:20:36 PM #
if you have Voice Recognition enabled, it will do all of that.. , It will not start playing MP3 after the call ends

Kyocera 7135 very nice, but letís be honest with each other

imz14u2nv @ 6/27/2002 8:23:30 PM #
Ok,
I just wanted to start off by doing a level set.

I currently have a Kyocera QCP-6035 which I have owned since this unit was first released (this was a trade up from the Palm Vx and Startac combo).

I have to be honest with everyone and even more importantly, myself.

I lust after the Handspring Treo 270, this is the unit that would be perfect for me, 16mb of memory, color display and most importantly, that Blackberry style keyboard.

The only reason that I donít own one is that it is not available on the Verizon network, I read something that said that Handspring is coming out with a CDMA version, does anyone know if this will make it to Verizon???.

Lets face the facts here, there is just no way that Graffiti can be considered a superior method of text entry over a keyboard, just to prove that point, I borrowed my friends Blackberry and composed a test message to myself, I then composed the same message using my stylus on the QCP-6035. Well I had to backspace so many times that I even considered switching my provider to VoiceStream just to purchase the Treo.

I would like to re-state that I think the Kyocera QCP-7135 is a great looking unit and that I think the MP3 thing is a great idea if the battery drain is not to bad (I would love to leave my Discman home and just enjoy music from the phone).

Here are some questions that I have about this unit:

1). Is the Graffiti are lighted??

2). Back lighting was not mentioned, I am sure this unit has that right??

3). How come no Hi-Res, after all, they went as far as 16-bit, 65,000 colors


Here is what I think is wrong with this unit:

The Jog Dial was replaced with buttons; I think that the Jog was one of the better features on the 6035, whatís point of that???

Overall, I think that this unit will sell well, as a matter of fact, if I canít get Treo 270 on Verizion, then this is my only upgrade consideration.

I really think that they should go back and re-consider the Jog Dial and Hi-Res before they go to market, there is still time and that would just open the gap even wider between this phone/pda and the others.



RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but letís be honest with each other
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/27/2002 9:42:15 PM #
The CDMA Treo (Treo 300) will be available exclusively on the Sprint network (and therefore not Verizon) for an undisclosed period of time. Sprint paid HS for this "privilege". Verizon will probably eventually carry this device as long as it the time Sprint has exclusive availability to the device does not exceed the technological lifespan of the Treo 300. Heard rumors the Treo 300 is currently being tested on the Verizon network as well (take that with a grain of salt obviously)...


RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but letís be honest with each other
KB2PMD @ 6/28/2002 7:33:29 AM #
Because the Treo 300 is capable of operating on 800 Mhz (Verizon's band) in addition to 1900 Mhz (Sprint's band), you should be able to use the Treo 300 on Verizon's network, in the same way you can really use the I-300 on Verizon's network, even though it's not sold as such. I've heard of people who purchased the 6035 from Sprint, used Sprint for small data, and put a second phone number with Verizon. Also, I've heard of people purchasing the phone used from a Sprint customer who stopped service, and reprogramming it to work on Verizon. Hope this helps!
Mike

RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but letís be honest with each other
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/7/2002 1:49:33 AM #
GET JOT - a keyboard is a waste of space!
RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but letís be honest with each other
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/7/2002 8:51:05 AM #
If we want to be honest, we have to admit the fact that the Treo is a big step backwards in smartphone design. I looked at one in Best Buy and first impression: very cheap, plastic, toy-like feel. Other issues, poor battery life, no voice dialing, no phone pad, no grafitti pad if you get a keyboard, no keyboard if you get grafitti, and no hands-free answering. The 6035 can be set so when an incoming call rings the phone asks "Incoming call, answer?" Just say yes and start talking, you don't even need to touch the phone if you're driving or busy. The 7135 will blow away the Treo even more. The Kyocera's have been top-notch phones with a good built-in PDA. The 7135 will make that a top-notch phone with excellent PDA and multimedia abilities. Basically the Treo is a lack luster PDA with sub-standard cell phone features. Some people will say they want a PDA first, phone second. Fine, then get a Samsung smartphone or a PPC smartphone edition, but not a Treo. That's honest...
RE: Kyocera 7135 very nice, but letís be honest with each other
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/25/2002 1:09:15 PM #
You seem to be saying that the Treo is great because you've tried the Blackberry's keyboard. The keyboards of the two are drastically different and the Treo's is vastly inferior. It's keys are almost flush with the device and require a very firm push to activate. The Blackberry keyboard is far better and is not valid for comparison.

Oxy Moron?

abosco @ 6/27/2002 9:36:49 PM #
Isn't it kind of silly that this is a mobile device designed for on-the-go usage and the color gets washed out in sunlight! If you have to wait until it's darker out or when you're indoors, what's the point of having a smartphone then? It just seems a little absurd that they didn't use a type of screen technology to prevent this. I just hope it doesn't get as washed out as a IIIc does.

ēBosco

Waiting for ARMed Palm Smartphone

RE: Oxy Moron?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/8/2002 4:01:56 PM #
7135 display does not wash out in sunshine. The colors are not as vivid, but the screen is still very
readable. If you were to take a $10,000 flat panel TV into the sunshine and turn it on,
the colors would not be nearly as vivid as when you watched the TV indoors.

Eduardo

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 12:11:39 AM #
Eddie, why must you delete my comments that Dave from Ploserville, TX is a jackass? Really, I would have expected that you would display better discretion.


RE: Eduardo
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 1:42:58 AM #
I think it's Pflugerville, unless I missed a subtle joke. He did ask some stupid questions, but some of them were thought provoking, although I guess I handle stuff better thank you can.

Predictive Text Entry

ahecht @ 6/28/2002 5:23:41 AM #
My $49 Nokia 3190 has predictive text entry, which makes typing from the keypad much easier. Why doesn't the $499 Kyocera 7135?

RE: Predictive Text Entry
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/28/2002 6:15:44 PM #
Check out the video review of the 7135 at http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/110-1.htm

The guy does mention that it does have predictive text input, but he didn't say what kind (T9???)

battery life

I.M. Anonymous @ 6/30/2002 1:52:45 PM #
I've heard descriptions of the battery life for talk time, and for the mp3 player. But what about for the pda?

I use my smartphone in combination with a stowaway keyboard to take notes in class. My classes tend to be about four hours long. Will the battery hold up for that long? In order to use this phone, would I need an extra battery to switch out with during my class break?

How long can I continually use the pda function of this smartphone before the battery gives out.

Thanks,

dave

RE: battery life
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/1/2002 7:28:02 PM #
The battery life is extrememy good if you are not using the phone, and tremendous if the phone is swtiched off.
RE: battery life
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/15/2002 3:59:54 AM #
i think the battery life would depend on two main factors - phone usage & LCD usage. MP3 power consumption is nothing compared to those two.

Could it be..a Palm with a real battery?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/1/2002 2:02:21 AM #
I like it. The fact that it has a bigger battery than my 505 makes it even better.

GPS

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/15/2002 3:51:02 AM #
regarding the gps, i am -- 90% -- sure that Snaptrack is the company is behind the Assisted GPS technology that the these new phones are using www.snaptrack.com has info to better understand how A-GPS works.
In the news and on snaptracks website they discuss possible future location services, but i've heard nothing tangible yet. I work with Verizon Wireless & there's nothing on the horizon.
Regarding the 7135's availability on Verizon, nothing announced, but there certainly is a lot of buzz about it. we better get it, or I'll have to change jobs! I carry the 6035 now, in spite of it's size & terrible screen. The 7135 takes care of all of the 6035's problem. I will miss the jogdial though.

Compared to Handspring Treo 300

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2002 1:37:47 AM #
T-Mobile (also known as VoiceStream) just came to the Los Angeles area and offers 1000 anytime minutes for $40.00. Very tempting, but it runs the same technology as Cingular and would use the Treo 270 (so Iíve been told, even though Handspring has no knowledge of this fact).

Do you think waiting for the Treo 300 or the Kyocera 7135 instead of jumping now for a Handspring 270 would be worth the wait? Is the data speed faster? What other benefits justify waiting?

Now the hard choice: if itís worth waiting, please list your views on which to Kyocera or Treo? I love the keyboard but now use and enjoy a Sony Clie' N610C and am used to the stylus. I wonít use the MP3 function often, but I would enjoy the voice recorder.
Decisions, decisions.
Thanks for your thoughts.


RE: Compared to Handspring Treo 300
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/8/2002 4:37:15 PM #
No one seems to have mentioned the fact that the 7135 supports AMPS (old school analog) service (just like to 6035), while the Treo 300 does not (CDMA only), and any GSM-based phone certainly does not. When you're stuck in Vermont or Nevada or anywhere else digital service (CDMA or GSM) isn't available, and your car breaks down, all the cool Palm based features in the world won't do you any good. AMPS coverage in the states is very close to 100%, which no other network can compare to. BTW, it's not a real defense to say you can carry an old AMPS phone for 911 emergencies, because Murphy's Law would state there's no way you'll have the second phone when you need it, and because there are often psuedo-emergencies that 911 is not appropriate for.

What's the quickest way to get a 7135?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/7/2002 3:48:52 PM #
Do I need to wait for Verizon to offer it or can I get it quicker from Kyocera?
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/21/2002 10:57:47 PM #
Come on now, use a little common sense. Do you really think Kyocera is going to sell you a phone that no carrier officially supports and that they haven't even officially released? Read the story before you post a question...
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/22/2002 3:26:20 PM #
I'm not saying I want one NOW! I'm asking if anybody has a guess as to whether or not Verizon needs to officially support it before it'll work. It's supposed to support Verizon's CDMA technologies in any case so I'm guessing that buying it from Kyocera and having Verizon switch it (tell them that I broke my first one and this is the replacement) should work. This is my guess, but I was wondering if anybody knows the real answer.
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/24/2002 6:19:24 PM #
but when will it be released? We're all waiting for the same thing here.
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
Smartphoner @ 11/3/2002 3:33:31 PM #
Verizon will come out with the 7135 first, followed by Sprint. Verizon should be in Q4-02. Sprint is still unknown, they always take forever to buy off the software. (But if they don't have it for Cristmas they're missing the boat) KWC won't sell you anything until it's available from the carriers.
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
phone jack @ 3/17/2003 10:45:40 PM #
If you are located in the Northeast Verizon you can get the Kyocera 7135.
We have them in stock now and they accept the Verizon PRL download.
Call Jack @ 877-543-5225 or e-mail infos @ cbstelecom.com

I have Kyocera 7135 ready for shipment now. They accept the Verizon PRL download. Only 3 left in stock
RE: What's the quickest way to get a 7135?
phone jack @ 3/17/2003 10:45:40 PM #
If you are located in the Northeast Verizon Market you can get the Kyocera 7135.
We have them in stock now and they accept the Verizon PRL download.
Call Jack @ 877-543-5225 or e-mail infos @ cbstelecom.com

I have Kyocera 7135 ready for shipment now. They accept the Verizon PRL download. Only 3 left in stock

Keyboard

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 6:38:49 PM #
As one who has had a Palm for a long time and one who doesn't find Graffiti or any other script entry method terribly difficult, I am very happy to see that this device uses the standard script pad rather than the cumbersome Treo/Blackberry-style keyboard. It is one of the most disappointing aspects of the Treo and the reason I haven't purchased one that all of their models now use this mini-keyboard. There is nothing quite like the ease of taking notes into the memo pad while maintaining eye contact with whom you are speaking.

Is there really such a consensus on how 'difficult' Graffiti is that everyone is moving to mini-keyboards?

Bummed, if that is the trend.

RE: Keyboard
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2002 12:06:56 PM #
EXACTLY! Nice note.
RE: Keyboard
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/17/2002 4:56:34 PM #
Very interesting to read all the RIMcentric vs. Palmcentric comments. Kyocera has clearly carved its niche in the consumer market -- those users who don't require IT support. The interesting point is the marketplace is large enough to have competing technologies (OSs, input approaches and other bells and whistles) that are economically viable, I hope. btw, as a motorcyclists, I will now look at purchasing the 7135 to replace my 6035. I may not have to spend another couple of hundred bucks to listen to MP3.

What about voice 'controlled' dialing?

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/18/2002 12:10:24 AM #
I have had my 6035 for quite a while, and since I use it a lot while driving (no, I don't pull over to the side while using the phone...), I sure would like a phone to which I could speak the numbers that I want to dial, or verbally spell the name of the contact (predictive speech entry?), especially in speakerphone mode. Once I train my 6035 for a name, it always recognizes my command, although it asks for confirmation way too many times. Having to punch in the phone number, or scroll innumerable times to get to the W's in my contact list, makes me want a better input method. The technology is there already. Why don't they use it?

Where is the promised 7135 from Kyocera?

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/24/2002 6:15:37 PM #
Hey, we've ben waiting patiently. Anyone know when it will land here on earth?

Internet via laptop IR port

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/25/2002 1:35:48 PM #
The 6035 could provide Internet access to your laptop via the sync cradle, but not via the IR port. Does anyone know if the 7135 will allow one or both methods?
RE: Internet via laptop IR port
conchchowder @ 10/30/2002 2:07:40 AM #
7135 works voice and data (sending packets, then going idle) visit smartphonesource.com for more info.

The truth of revealed religion fails under the scrutiny of reason.

GSM vs CDMA

bigmack56 @ 10/21/2002 9:22:43 AM #
OK, I guess I have a slightly different take on this whole thing.. First, I love my Kyocera 6035 for functionallity.. Transfer speed bites..

GSM is wide spread in Europe becuase the european governments got together and decided on a STANDARD.. It wasn't that much better 4 years ago, but, witha a standard in hand, the developers went to work..

In the USA, we had a slightly different problem.. NO STANDARD (or too many wannabes)... No way was ATT/Verizon/Sprint etc... gonna let some little upstart euro-biz dictate to them any standards.. So, here we are - four years later, no worldwide standard that is really accepted in the USA, and, the cool toys are still on GSM...
*sigh*


RE: GSM vs CDMA
ginsberg @ 12/28/2002 4:54:00 PM #
BZZZZT. WRONG.

I was in South Korea for the World Cup, and the CDMA phones and CDMA infrastructure is far superior to GSM/GPRS in Europe.

Yes, the US is a mess today because our coverage areas (for GPRS and CDMA 1X) are still spotty, but this has improved steadily over the last year.

The economics of the migration path within the CDMA standard are far superior to the migration path for GSM/GPRS users. The US CDMA infrastriucture will catch and surpass Europe within two years.

The new 7135....

kredai @ 10/21/2002 8:59:07 PM #
One thing missing from the 6035, that I can only imagine will be WORSE, considering the split display, is the backlighting on the grafitti area.

on the 6035, in pitch night, I can barely make out enough of the writing area to use it.

with the screen split, is there any light on the writing area?>?

or am I no longer going to be able to write emails while I'm sitting in the trees looking in peoples windows?

(actually, I usually do it in a moving car at night... I just had to go for the humor)


RE: The new 7135....
juttonn @ 12/8/2002 12:02:56 PM #
There are hack that let you right graphiti on the screen, or you can buy jot, which lets you do that to. I don't know if they'll work with Kyocera's phones, but it may be worth a try

Jonathan

Kyocera 7135 / Available ISP's

malanhome @ 10/28/2002 4:19:49 AM #
I currently have a Kyocera 6035 Smart Phone and it is fantastic. My only question about the 7135 is if any ISP can be used. I currently using Juno and I am unable to sign on to the internet on my 6035 through Juno's internet service. With the 7135, will I be able to sign on using any dial up ISP? This leads to my other question, which is if getting on the internet will remain free of charge. (I currently use Alltel, and when I log on to the internet using Eudora there are no fees except for my minutes used.) Lastly, I have heard that Alltel should be getting the 7135's, but when I went to one of the retail outlets, a rep there said that they would not because the 6035 was a flop (supposedly they sold very few of them because of the high cost). I'm not sure if he was just really ignorant or if he knew somthing no one else seems to know. I'd hate to drop Alltel ($59/month for unlimited minutes), but I will if necessary - I want that Kyocera 7135!

RE: Kyocera 7135 / Available ISP's
conchchowder @ 10/30/2002 2:10:23 AM #
post the question at smartphonesource.com...lots of beta testers there.


The truth of revealed religion fails under the scrutiny of reason.

Intended usage

conchchowder @ 10/30/2002 2:11:51 AM #
I feel that Kyocera is missing the usage point. I want a PDA, cellphone, voice recorder, ebook reader, astronomical computer, chess player, backgammon player, email browser, web browser, sms device, mp3 player, video player, and more in one device. I spend more time on my PDA doing everything else but making calls. I am happy that all can be done on this one device. I hope there comes a day where the functionality of one device is not sacrificed because of the perceived notions of some pencil-pushers. My life has changed since having the 6035; from what I've read, the 7135 is one step foreward, two steps back. I am happy, however, that they offer the Think Outside cable to prevent obsolesance of my newly obtained keyboard (which rocks). When other companies, such as Palm and Handspring, attempted to marry Palm and cellphone, they failed because of functionality (couldn't use phone and palm at the same time, couldn't dial from address book, facial smears on the screen) Why doesn't Kyocera wake up and realize it is a tool for us and we need all of the functions to work without the loss of the others. We will find out when the next model comes out.

The truth of revealed religion fails under the scrutiny of reason.

COMPARED TO SAMSUNG I300

wclyffe @ 11/22/2002 1:19:18 PM #
What are anyone's thoughts as to how the Kyocera 7135 stacks up to the Samsung I300? I have had the I300 for over a year and it works flawlessly, but I have to say it is hard to read in direct sun and moves through batteries quickly under heavy phone use..Other than that, it is a very compact combo...any thoughts?

Its a phone !

Klaus @ 1/4/2003 8:38:39 PM #
I have a QCP 6035 and I love the thing, except the size of it.
Let's put things in the clear, Kyocera is marketying phones ! with a great adress and date book.
I dont use it for anything else, for other stuff i use my laptop.

I cannot wait for it to be available in Canada, now I just have to convince my company bean counter that I need the latest model... I wonder what happens if I drop it in the toilet ?

RE: Its a phone !
Jkendr23 @ 2/8/2003 8:54:04 PM #
Whenever a 6035 or 7135 is purchased, an info sheet is provided to the customer informing them of the cost of repair/replacement, which is quite high, but I suppose reasonable for the excellent product you are purchasing. Maybe your purchaser won't know this and buy you one, but I wouldn't count on it. I wish you well in your quest to acquire a 7135. I hope to have mine during this upcomming week(slobber, drool). BTW if you know someone who wants a 6035, please contact me. I have one in excellent condition. Take care.

James Kendricks
Savannah, GA

Memory / Car kit

Fun and Games @ 4/12/2003 6:05:59 PM #
I have just recently bought a 7135 and I have to say the following before one byes one. Do not have your battery run flat for to long as it will loss all memory and information on your 7135. Where does it say that in the manual? They only tell you that when you hand it in to them and say oops...

Also the purpose of a mobile is that you can take it in your car and drive. Some locations (NOT JUST THE USA) do not allow to drive while having a mobile in ones hands. WHERE IS A PROPER CARE KIT WITH CRADLE and not some Mickey mouse plug in gig-light thingy...


Re: File Manager

BadBamBam @ 5/21/2003 11:15:22 PM #
Does anyone know how to access folders on a SD Card in the File Manager that comes with the Kyocera 7135?

I read all the manuals and literature and nowhere does it say how to.

Thanks..
BBB

Kyocera 7135 Rocks!!

RE: Re: File Manager
mikecane @ 5/22/2003 10:52:41 AM #
If they kept the file manager that they had when I played with it at PC Expo, then they are using that total ripoff of Sony's MS Gate software (which they claim they wrote themselves -- right... with "programmer's tracing paper" over the original!).

To open a folder, tap on the *folder* icon -- not the name.

RE: Re: File Manager
BadBamBam @ 5/24/2003 1:39:43 PM #
thank you very much... stupid me I didn't try that... :P

So far the phone is great... better than my Samsung SCH-N370 that only allowed you a few bytes for the name, and usually was not enough to put in the last name or to add and reference to who it was to begin with... mostly I like the flexibility and the amount of info you can enter in the address book.. although I wish it had my pocket pc's speed in some instances... but you can't beat having one device do it all... in the end when a 3Ghz version comes out, I'll be upgrading... as for power.. by then I'm sure they'll have an antimatter power cell to take care of any power brownouts lol

Take care all

Guess the future holds a lot for smartphones...



Kyocera 7135 Rocks!!

RE: Re: File Manager
marlie @ 8/9/2005 4:44:08 PM #
Hi Badbambam
Do you have a data cable and software for your old
Samsung SCH-N370
If so, would you like to sell it to me? Or anyone else out there reading this?
I have a couple of n370 phones with a lot of phone numbers in them, and want to get them out to upgrade to another phone.
Please reply to me at my email address:
marilyn.lake@gmail.com
Thanks so much
Marlie

Bluetooth

dglueck @ 11/25/2003 11:48:32 PM #
Does anyone know if there is a card that will allow a bluetooth wireless earphone to be used with the 7135?
If yes what card and what earphone?

Thanks

David L Glueck

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