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Screen
But the ghosting is an issue.
Was the background dark gray like the old 415 model was? Or something closer to the dull white of the old m505's?
RE: it wont sell
RE: Screen
Please name any other new device cheaper than this
Better to have 320x320 HiRes.
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RE: it wont sell
sorry, but this thing isnt worth the money, and it wont sell.
ghosting
If this were a model being targeted at older adults, a higher contrast display would be a winning move. But this seems to be a low end model; and the kids would much prefer a handheld suitable for gaming.
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>out in a few months, so ALL current PDAs will be old. >whats the point of having a hi res mono screen that
>is unusable because of this ghosting effect. i would
>rather invest 150 bucks on a s360 which has 16 mb of
>internal ram, an internal rechargable battery, better
>buttons, and an awsome screen that doesnt 'ghost'.
>sorry, but this thing isnt worth the money, and it
>wont sell.
Base on your statement, apparently you never seen HiRes. Otherwise you will not say you prefer to get S360.
Size of RAM does not make that much sense now with Palm OS 4, you can put programs into the card.
However HiRes really matters.
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And PalmSource is currently working on OS 6 which will be coming out next year with native ARM application support, so all all os 5 devices are already obsolete. Anyway, Sony usually has no trouble selling models that are only slightly cosmetically different than the previous ones.
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Buing Palm m105 in Febuary 2001 and still buying Palm m105 in August 2002.
EIGHTEEN MONTHS for the same model ??????
Get some innovation please, poor Palm.
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The T-415 screen was almost 'paper white' if you had strong flourescent lighting from above (like on CompUSA's show room), but indirect lighting simply made the screen a murky mess. Sony should have figured out how to mimic the Edge's screen (really nice).
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Did you not see where the author said that ghosting is ONLY NECESSARY IF YOU'VE USED A FASTER PDA? Then he went on to say that HE NOTICED GHOSTING ON HIS Vx? Do any of you plan on going from your NR70 to this model? No!
All you guys do is jump to conclusions based on what you skimmed, not what you read.
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I loved it
Go Sony
Scooby
RE: You work for Sony
You people at Sony have better things to do with your time than anonymously plug the SL10.
You can start by fixing those swinging effects in your Spiderman movie.
RE: I loved it
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
It's too bad, I had really high hopes for this model...oh well.
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
So are those pictures with or without the backlight?
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
its like enough to kill a deer! WHY DONT YOU STOP COMPAINING ABOUT YOUR PDA< TAKE IT BACK AND GET ONE THATS COLOR FOR 100 DOLLARS MORE?????????
M105 beats this on screen quality?
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
I just want a Palm with:
1. m5xx Form Factor
2. OS5/ARM
3. Hi-Res COLOR
4. 32MB+ RAM
Why is this so G.D. difficult???? Can't one of Palm's 18+ Chiefs/Vice Presidents figure this out???????????
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
>1. m5xx Form Factor
>2. OS5/ARM
>3. Hi-Res COLOR
>4. 32MB+ RAM
Wait for 2 more months, and OSLO will give you 2,3 and 4. It's a matter of time to get you 1.
Since both Sony & Palm sell memory expansion (SD/Memoty Stick), they have lots of incentives to limit the amount of RAM, so that they can sell more memory expansion cards... so I think 16/32MB RAM will stay for a while before we see an official 64MB RAM Palm OS PDA.
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
2. Selling Memory Expansion is all fine and good but without a seamless VFS it's like kissing your sister!
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
They need to make a device that they can sell for a decent price, and make a profit on. They could develop 'your' palm, but how many people in the mass market would buy it?
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
With your attitude, you should go work for Palm. It's exactly that attitude that has them following instead of leading.
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
But my sister's a good kisser.....
Just kidding.
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
Interesting, isn't it, how palm has 55% of the market and is still following. I didn't think it was mathematically possible. Could you please explain your figures?
See previous story:
"Palm was still on top with 55.4% of sales. Handspring was second with 12.4% and Sony had 12.2%. Again, Compaq was in fourth place while H-P was fifth."
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3488
(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-822730.html
and
www.allnetdevices.com/industry/market/2000/08/24/handspring_grabs.html.
Palm's market share has been steadily declining on an annual basis for the past few years. 80%...70%...60%..50%. In my opinion, if their hardware guru's don't innovate more, this will continue with more people buying MS based PDAs (a horrible horrible thing).
M105 or M125?
Didn't the M125 also just get knocked down to 150 bucks?
I think the author may have meant M125.
RE: M105 or M125?
RE: M105 or M125?
m125's screen is somewhat similar to that of m500's, altough it is smaller, it is more greyish making things easier to read.
RE: Many SL10 pictures
it is quite nice, actually... i bought one yesterday...
looked at the sony models, including the (apparently hated) T415, last week. i was pretty surprised (as sony is a very fine company) but the lcds on all the sony b&w models in the store were quite bad. i couldn't imagine reading my ebooks without the backlight permanently on.
played with someone's palm m105 too. the screen on that unit was small and dark -- pretty depressing when compared to the much bigger, clear and brighter lcd on my 4.5 year old p-pilot. (this, though, helped explain palm's recent reverse stock split announcement)
read about the sl10 over here and went to best buy yesterday and the sl10 lcd was not bad at all! as a matter of fact, i think that the screen is quite good! if you are just assuming that it is as bad as the 415, you may be pleasantly surprised. with the high-res, jog wheel and the memory stick slot, it's the best pda, imho, for the price ($125 after rebate).
RE: it is quite nice, actually... i bought one yesterday...
PalmYoda
Any speculation on what people might do with the USB port? Ideas anyone?
RE: PalmYoda
RE: PalmYoda
PEG-SL10 Pretty Decent
RE: PEG-SL10 Pretty Decent
Clie SL10 is great
and $40 worth of free software from a sony partner (Forget the name). No, I dont work for Amazon or Sony, and my previous PDA was a Rex 6000 This seems to be the first one at a realistic price which leaves you room to grow a size that finally might achieve 'unconscious portability' which Jeff at Palm was preaching in the early days
A sharp enough screen where you can draw decent drawings and see photos properly.
Generic batteries, expansion capability, and the only proprietary part, the memory stick, is becoming generic too.
RE: Clie SL10 is great
Use of Memory Stick
Batteries
Is there a compatible full sized keyboard for the SL10 yet?
P.S. When I say opinion, please don't make stupid remarks like: "You're a stupid nitwit for buying the SL10. It sucks." or "You must be a Sony rep. Go back to your cubicle, Sony man." or " You are retarded." Thanks.
Wait, wait... forget it.
RE: Is there a compatible full sized keyboard for the SL10 y
www.palmgoddess.com/reviews/other/20020730_1600_Pocketop.htm
I know it won't let you rotate the screen on Sony models so beware.
I'd say you should wait a few weeks until Sony gets the folding one out. I've got one made by the same company (Think Outside) for my m515 and it rocks.
Thanks for the response.
Info for other SL10 users...
Hello
According to the developer's website, the SL10 will not comply with the keyboard.
http://www.pocketop.net/comp_list.shtml
The link above is a list of compatible PDAs.
Sorry for the inconvience.
James Dwyer
Recharging...
AAAs?
For the PEGA-AC10 CLIÉ AC Adapter Sony states that
it does not charge batteries, but for PEGA-UC60K
there is no such statement?
Screen Quality
Visor Edge? Lower resolution, awkward ergonomics, needs a bulky add-on for expansion. Next.
m500? Hard to argue with a classic (and it is, essentially, an improved Vx), even with half the resolution, but how about this: part of what got me to go for the SL-10 was a desire to free myself from the charger when I have to take a long trip. Now I can stash a few AAA's in a pocket, a dozen or so books on a card, and who cares how long the flight takes or how many layovers there are? I'm independent and full-time power-on for days at a time. And don't let the "weeks between a charge" stories of rechargable PDA's fool you -- that's using it for minutes a day, not hours. Not to mention that the m500 is taller, heavier and costs more than an SL-10 AND a 64MB Memory Stick.
I went to the SL-10 when my good ol' Vx died, and regret it not a bit. Well, one tiny bit. I can't yet get a NuShield screen protector for it, so I have to baby the plastic digitizer more than I'd prefer to keep the scratching down. But I expect that's a state of affairs soon to be corrected. I'm a Happy Boy.
Give Me A Break !
Why not?
Pros- HiRes Screen at 320*320/Memory Stick/Jog Dial/Triple A batterys (just my opinion/preference)/Styling (personal taste again)/Form factor/back button/Clie Programs/Documents ToGo/Picture Gear
Cons- No White Fluorescent Light (thus leading to have to hold it at certain angles to get proper lighting)/Memory Stick kinda slow...that's about all I can find. Although I did compare it to my other pdas I see the screen isn't really that bad. What makes it not so good is the glare and how the screen doesn't reflect light to well. But from what I can tell it's just like my m100/personal except it is hi res. As far as ghosting I'm reading an ebook on there right now and it doesn't look to bad (quit relaxing actually). But if I wanted the better screen/memory of course I would have paid for the sj20. Which I might upgrade to after awhile...=) But for $119 at the shack (display model) and seeing how I paid $65 for my ref. M100 awhile back, really good buy IMHO. Although if you do have the extra $$ go for the SJ20!
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it wont sell