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Last week, Sony announced the PEG-SL10, a low-end handheld with a hi-res monochrome screen. It offers many of the standard Sony features, like a Jog Dial and Memory Stick slot. This mini review was written by Ben Combee, who is the Technical Lead for Metrowerks, the maker of CodeWarrior.
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it wont sell

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 1:25:34 PM #
who would buy this? there are plenty of other cheaply priced PDAs that offer better features than this thing. i dont think i could live with a screen that suffers from "ghosting"...
Once mo', we have no-go on Sony mono
sandbuck @ 7/29/2002 1:26:34 PM #
What up with these guys and the soupy mono-screens?

Screen
sub_tex @ 7/29/2002 1:37:40 PM #
The thin fonts i can live with - font hack and the OS 5 fonts look beautiful on my clie.

But the ghosting is an issue.

Was the background dark gray like the old 415 model was? Or something closer to the dull white of the old m505's?

RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 1:42:08 PM #
I think ghosting is noticeable if you have previously used a faster PDA. having owned a 66mhz then im sure i will notice ghosting (even on my own VX)
RE: Screen
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 2:01:18 PM #
would it be worse in ghosting and contrast between grey/green and black than the palm III
Please name any other new device cheaper than this
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 3:15:44 PM #
The first poster, please name any other new device cheaper than this.

Better to have 320x320 HiRes.

RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 3:27:33 PM #
sub_tex, how did you use the OS5 fonts with fonthack on your Clie? I tried but could not get them to work. I'm sure it was me substituting the wrongs fornts. Thanks in advance.
RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 4:28:18 PM #
who cares if the device is new or not? os 5 is coming out in a few months, so ALL current PDAs will be old. whats the point of having a hi res mono screen that is unusable because of this ghosting effect. i would rather invest 150 bucks on a s360 which has 16 mb of internal ram, an internal rechargable battery, better buttons, and an awsome screen that doesnt 'ghost'.

sorry, but this thing isnt worth the money, and it wont sell.

ghosting
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 4:47:39 PM #
With LCD displays, I think there are engineering trade-offs between either or power and ghosting, or contrast and ghosting. I wonder whether the SL10 has a better than average AAA battery life or a slightly higher contrast display than the 415?

If this were a model being targeted at older adults, a higher contrast display would be a winning move. But this seems to be a low end model; and the kids would much prefer a handheld suitable for gaming.

RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 5:18:09 PM #
exactly...you cant play really play games on this thing because of the awful ghosting effect...i mean....what was sony thinking? the thing would sell better with a 160x160 screen...it prolly would have been cheaper too.
RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 5:27:33 PM #
>who cares if the device is new or not? os 5 is coming
>out in a few months, so ALL current PDAs will be old. >whats the point of having a hi res mono screen that
>is unusable because of this ghosting effect. i would
>rather invest 150 bucks on a s360 which has 16 mb of
>internal ram, an internal rechargable battery, better
>buttons, and an awsome screen that doesnt 'ghost'.

>sorry, but this thing isnt worth the money, and it
>wont sell.

Base on your statement, apparently you never seen HiRes. Otherwise you will not say you prefer to get S360.

Size of RAM does not make that much sense now with Palm OS 4, you can put programs into the card.

However HiRes really matters.

RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 5:55:04 PM #
obviously you have not seen a screen that suffers from ghosting! why the heck do you think the t415 was such a HUGE flop! even after its price was practically cut in half! the unit wont sell. end of discussion.
RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 7:48:54 PM #
> os 5 is coming out in a few months, so ALL current PDAs will be old.

And PalmSource is currently working on OS 6 which will be coming out next year with native ARM application support, so all all os 5 devices are already obsolete. Anyway, Sony usually has no trouble selling models that are only slightly cosmetically different than the previous ones.

RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 7:55:30 PM #
big difference...an OS 5 pda will be able to upgrade to OS 6... OS 4 and below can not be upgraded.
RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 8:08:37 PM #
big difference...buying a 2002 model on Jan 1, 2002 vs. buying a 2002 model on Dec, 31 2002.


RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 1:20:51 AM #
BIG MISTAKE:

Buing Palm m105 in Febuary 2001 and still buying Palm m105 in August 2002.

EIGHTEEN MONTHS for the same model ??????

Get some innovation please, poor Palm.

RE: it wont sell
Take1 @ 7/30/2002 4:30:53 AM #
Considering the price, it may just sell regardless if the screen isn't top notch.

The T-415 screen was almost 'paper white' if you had strong flourescent lighting from above (like on CompUSA's show room), but indirect lighting simply made the screen a murky mess. Sony should have figured out how to mimic the Edge's screen (really nice).

RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 9:07:43 AM #
Yes, well ... er, ghosting is very innotative ... I guess.

RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 2:56:59 PM #
You guys are missing the point.

Did you not see where the author said that ghosting is ONLY NECESSARY IF YOU'VE USED A FASTER PDA? Then he went on to say that HE NOTICED GHOSTING ON HIS Vx? Do any of you plan on going from your NR70 to this model? No!

All you guys do is jump to conclusions based on what you skimmed, not what you read.

RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 4:04:09 PM #
I don't see where anyone claimed to have noticed ghosting on their Vx, certainly not the author.
RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/7/2002 12:52:21 PM #
This item will sell. There are people out there who are looking for a monochrome device. I bought one and I love it, and I know a few other people who intend to buy it as well. I do notice the ghosting, which is most likely a tradeoff for the the higher resolution. Since I use it primarily for PIM functions, it is of little concern. For me, the main consideration were size, battery life, and high resolution, so this device is perfect. I had considered the T-415, but the price was too high and I didn't like the buttons or the screen. This model is half the price, the buttons are better, and the screen is really nice (though getting better hires fonts are a must)
RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/7/2002 8:12:22 PM #
All you people screaming GHOSTING GHOSTING. . where are you running to? What do you have to do in such a hurry that the ghosting effect is so disruptive that any sane person shouldn't spend a mere 150 bucks for this. What? are you picking your nose, trynna get a number?. .?? I agree, yes there is ghosting. But compared to the $300, $400, $500, and even $600 palms and CE's out there, this is a fair bargain. . if not wise!!
RE: it wont sell
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/17/2002 8:43:29 PM #
What about us people who have never use a pda before ever? would this devilish 'ghosting' crap get tp us? probobly not. if youre just gonna discourage people like me from buying this pda for a reason that we wont even notice, well.....stop!

I loved it

Doo @ 7/29/2002 1:52:26 PM #
What a great deal for a Palm OS device. It's got all a new palm user could want and more. My kids are getting them for the back to school rush. Of course they want my 760 so I tell them I want the nr70v and they laugh. There is always something better coming. But I'll take this cute PDA any time.

Go Sony

Scooby

RE: You work for Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 2:06:48 PM #
Go back to your Sony cubicle now.

You people at Sony have better things to do with your time than anonymously plug the SL10.

You can start by fixing those swinging effects in your Spiderman movie.

RE: I loved it
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 3:07:41 PM #
He/she is not anonymous
RE: I loved it
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 3:28:58 PM #
some Anonymous ppl attacking some non-Anonymous people .. the world is changing ...

So is it the same screen as the T415?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 2:36:54 PM #
Sounds like it.
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 3:01:09 PM #
Doesn't sound like it at all to me. The t415's screen was dark, dark, dark. You had to turn the backlight on to use it. The review doesn't say anything about that. Ghosting yes, too dark no.
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 3:35:06 PM #
I saw it at Best Buy. The screen reminds me of the T415. Yuck!

It's too bad, I had really high hopes for this model...oh well.

RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 3:47:01 PM #
I played with one at best buy and at compusa yesterday. it's definitely the 425's screen. If anything it looks smaller, but that's proably just an illusion brought about by the smaller casing . I hate to say it, but if it was up to me to spend my money, I'd gladly take an s360, m500, or m125 instead of the SL10 (in that order). Better grab up the last of those 360's while you can! This is probably the worst Sony Palm device release thus far...Heck, the S320 is a far superior unit to the SL10, IMHO!


RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 8:19:59 PM #
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 10:20:48 PM #
I saw the SL-10 at CompUSA. If the screen isn't exactly like the T415, then it's incredibly close. I was unimpressed with the screen but pretty impressed with the price tag. What irked me about the T415 was the gall that Sony had to charge $300 for that crap. The fact that they're charging half that for the SL-10 is more justified, I think.
RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 8:29:08 AM #
> Let pictures tell: [ ... ]

So are those pictures with or without the backlight?

RE: So is it the same screen as the T415?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/17/2002 9:11:24 PM #
I agree! I mean, first of all, that pic has got to be with the flash directly on the screen. Take a pic of any b and l pda and itll show you that pic is crap you cant take a pic with a reglar flash and expect the sceen not to reflect off it a little- i mean, thats a flash thats like double a head-on flourescent light!
its like enough to kill a deer! WHY DONT YOU STOP COMPAINING ABOUT YOUR PDA< TAKE IT BACK AND GET ONE THATS COLOR FOR 100 DOLLARS MORE?????????

M105 beats this on screen quality?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 3:16:08 PM #
Then this screen must be terrible. I get a headache staring at my M105 for more than 5 minutes.
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 5:35:42 PM #
it's all RELATIVE. Back in the days of the original Pilot your m105 screen would have looked INCREDIBLE!!! And the 2007 screens will blow away today's versions!

I just want a Palm with:

1. m5xx Form Factor
2. OS5/ARM
3. Hi-Res COLOR
4. 32MB+ RAM

Why is this so G.D. difficult???? Can't one of Palm's 18+ Chiefs/Vice Presidents figure this out???????????


RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 6:34:55 PM #
>I just want a Palm with:
>1. m5xx Form Factor
>2. OS5/ARM
>3. Hi-Res COLOR
>4. 32MB+ RAM

Wait for 2 more months, and OSLO will give you 2,3 and 4. It's a matter of time to get you 1.

Since both Sony & Palm sell memory expansion (SD/Memoty Stick), they have lots of incentives to limit the amount of RAM, so that they can sell more memory expansion cards... so I think 16/32MB RAM will stay for a while before we see an official 64MB RAM Palm OS PDA.

RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 6:49:22 PM #
1. I don't want OSLO's moving parts!!! I think this is trouble (see NR70 Broken hinges) and I don't want an extra step of pulling it apart just to enter some data and then have to close it again. I also don't want anything THICKER than my m515.

2. Selling Memory Expansion is all fine and good but without a seamless VFS it's like kissing your sister!

RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 7:12:59 PM #
Stop throwing a tantrum, and realise that Palm does not make devices for you and you only.

They need to make a device that they can sell for a decent price, and make a profit on. They could develop 'your' palm, but how many people in the mass market would buy it?

RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 7:17:39 PM #
I think that this is what the market wants. The m5xx/V form factor is a PROVEN winner. Given the competition, Hi-Res Color, 32MB, and OS5/ARM are critical with keeping up.

With your attitude, you should go work for Palm. It's exactly that attitude that has them following instead of leading.

RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 3:25:56 AM #
>"2. Selling Memory Expansion is all fine and good but without a seamless VFS it's like kissing your sister! "<

But my sister's a good kisser.....

Just kidding.

RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
swinginjonny @ 7/31/2002 11:05:58 AM #
> With your attitude, you should go work for Palm. >It's exactly that attitude that has them following >instead of leading.

Interesting, isn't it, how palm has 55% of the market and is still following. I didn't think it was mathematically possible. Could you please explain your figures?

See previous story:
"Palm was still on top with 55.4% of sales. Handspring was second with 12.4% and Sony had 12.2%. Again, Compaq was in fourth place while H-P was fifth."
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3488


(Self-confessed Palm Geek)

RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
swinginjonny @ 7/31/2002 11:18:49 AM #
I DO recognize, btw, that you were probably talking about Palm following in R&D innovation, but when it comes down to it, I'll give up the ego-trip of being first in exchange for Palm's product penetration and name recognition.

(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
RE: M105 beats this on screen quality?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/19/2002 8:47:47 AM #
As for market share, the article referenced above is just for one month. You may want to check out
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-822730.html
and
www.allnetdevices.com/industry/market/2000/08/24/handspring_grabs.html.

Palm's market share has been steadily declining on an annual basis for the past few years. 80%...70%...60%..50%. In my opinion, if their hardware guru's don't innovate more, this will continue with more people buying MS based PDAs (a horrible horrible thing).

M105 or M125?

Strider_mt2k @ 7/29/2002 3:35:53 PM #
The M125s screen is better, and it has card capability.
Didn't the M125 also just get knocked down to 150 bucks?

I think the author may have meant M125.


strider_mt2k@yahoo.com

RE: M105 or M125?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 5:03:26 PM #
Are you talking about the bluish m125 colored screen??
RE: M105 or M125?
cyruski @ 7/31/2002 8:10:55 AM #
m130 has a bluish colored screen.
m125's screen is somewhat similar to that of m500's, altough it is smaller, it is more greyish making things easier to read.

Many SL10 pictures

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/29/2002 10:29:58 PM #
RE: Many SL10 pictures
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 2:26:50 AM #
And in that post, it is said the screen is much better than T415.

it is quite nice, actually... i bought one yesterday...

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/4/2002 2:59:22 AM #
i was running out of space on my (don't laugh) palm pilot personal (upgraded to 2mb ram). so, i was looking for a newer pda where i could put in an expansion card for all my ebooks. i didn't need the color or the nifty cellphone, camera or mp3 capabilities.

looked at the sony models, including the (apparently hated) T415, last week. i was pretty surprised (as sony is a very fine company) but the lcds on all the sony b&w models in the store were quite bad. i couldn't imagine reading my ebooks without the backlight permanently on.

played with someone's palm m105 too. the screen on that unit was small and dark -- pretty depressing when compared to the much bigger, clear and brighter lcd on my 4.5 year old p-pilot. (this, though, helped explain palm's recent reverse stock split announcement)

read about the sl10 over here and went to best buy yesterday and the sl10 lcd was not bad at all! as a matter of fact, i think that the screen is quite good! if you are just assuming that it is as bad as the 415, you may be pleasantly surprised. with the high-res, jog wheel and the memory stick slot, it's the best pda, imho, for the price ($125 after rebate).


RE: it is quite nice, actually... i bought one yesterday...
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/22/2002 1:15:45 PM #
Yes, i have just bought one too you hardly notice the ghosting! i got mine for 125 plus 40 free software from handago and i think my purchase was very well done. buy this handheld! it is very good.

PalmYoda

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2002 11:34:55 AM #
I picked this one up over the weekend...I work construction and needed a cheap backup palm I can use at dusty jobsites (Have the color clie as my "evening" palm)..this fit the bill perfectly! Cheap, cheap cheap!

Any speculation on what people might do with the USB port? Ideas anyone?

RE: PalmYoda
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/5/2002 5:12:26 PM #
I just got mine in the mail today. For the price, I think it is a lovely device. I had heard (I may be wrong) that the USB port was supposed to be so you could use the clie as a memory stick reader for a desktop pc.
RE: PalmYoda
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/22/2002 1:17:38 PM #
The USB port is for transferring and downloading stuff from your comp to your palm! you cant use any of the included software if you dont use the USB port. It is a very important aspect of the palm if you want to use it for anything but entering information on. e.g playing games, transferring word docs, so on....

PEG-SL10 Pretty Decent

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/9/2002 12:47:13 AM #
I just got mine today...$125 after rebate at Best Buy. All those complaints about the screen I don't understand. The screen on the SL10 is really terriffic. My girlfriend has an S360. Side by side the SL10 really shines in the display department. The screen is crisp and clean and very easy to read. The S360 screen is loud and readable but very choppy. I prefer the SL10 for a variety of reasons but the screen is the biggest one. Plus size and pocketability. Oh yeah, the backlight works great! Just like on the S360. Asta.
RE: PEG-SL10 Pretty Decent
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/14/2002 8:38:36 PM #
I'm in agreement. For the price, its a good buy. I upgraded from a Palm IIIxe, and I couldn't be happier. Currently Sony's giving a $40 software credit for software at Handango. Its not a bad deal at all. Like some have said, its not that great. For the cost of $150, you get the 320x320 screen, memory stick capability (remember, I HAD the IIIxe) and my favorite, AAA batteries!!! This is a fine upgrade for someone who uses it for scheduling, some minor games and the phone book.

Clie SL10 is great

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 1:39:16 PM #
Checked it out at a local store, and just ordered one from Amazon. Other than the good overall quality, Amazon might have the best deal out there: $134, free shipping, free 32 meg memory stick, @10 certificate,
and $40 worth of free software from a sony partner (Forget the name). No, I dont work for Amazon or Sony, and my previous PDA was a Rex 6000 This seems to be the first one at a realistic price which leaves you room to grow a size that finally might achieve 'unconscious portability' which Jeff at Palm was preaching in the early days
A sharp enough screen where you can draw decent drawings and see photos properly.
Generic batteries, expansion capability, and the only proprietary part, the memory stick, is becoming generic too.
RE: Clie SL10 is great
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/11/2002 4:18:17 PM #
Any idea where I could find good deal to buy Sony Clie SL10 model. Thanks

Use of Memory Stick

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/17/2002 3:22:37 PM #
Can e-books and Wordsmith (or Docs to go Files) be accessed and read directly from the memory stick or must the programs and files be copied into the 8 mb of memory first? If this can be done easily, the 8mb version may be the best value out there, especially wit the AAA battery approach which is a great idea for Sony and promotes much more convenience.

Batteries

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/19/2002 12:19:48 PM #
I plan to buy one just because it uses replaceable aaa batteries. I am so sick of built in rechargable batteries. When I backpack for 2 weeks at a stretch a PDA with a rechargable battery is useless, there are no plugs on the Pacific Crest trail !! Why don't manufacturers quit innovating and give us the option for regular batteries OR rechargables ?

Is there a compatible full sized keyboard for the SL10 yet?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/22/2002 3:16:10 AM #
Would anyone here know for certain if the Belkin keyboard for the Sony T-Series work on the PEG-SL10? I just got this thing today as I found it to be a hell of a deal after owning a Toshiba e310 that I returned after two days when it wouldn't power up or charge. Realizing what Pocket PC has to offer and then realizing what I need (being only a soon to be college freshman), I figured that a low end Palm OS PDA would be more than sufficient. So, after seeing it one day I bought it the next with a four year warranty (Yes, I know that these can be a waste of money, but, heck, the unit's probably not going to last more than two years, so when it dies there's most likely going to be a newer low end model that I will recieve.), screen protectors (The only ones offered for Clie's, which are a bit too big, but not really a problem.), and a carrying case from Circuit City, plus an open box 64MB Memory Stick from a Sony Outlet Center, all for $50-$100 less than the e310. But, with that extra $50-$100 (All depending on where you find the e310) in my pocket I was hoping for a keyboard. I asked my not too knowledgable salesperson at Circuit City about the Belkin prodct with the only response from him (and anyone else) being: "I don't know for sure, let me check..." So, here I am, in this predicament, with the big question of the evening being: What full sized keyboard can I purchase for the PEG-SL10? Will that Belkin model do? Is there any alternative? Would I be better off with that new Micro Innovations Wireless Link Keyboard? Hmmm... now that I think if it, that wireless keyboard might not be a bad investment since most other keyboards are only $20 less. So, now this becomes more of a section aimed at opinions. Is the Micro Innovations Wireless Link Keyboard worth getting? Thanks for reading my long, rambling question/review.

P.S. When I say opinion, please don't make stupid remarks like: "You're a stupid nitwit for buying the SL10. It sucks." or "You must be a Sony rep. Go back to your cubicle, Sony man." or " You are retarded." Thanks.

Wait, wait... forget it.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/22/2002 4:03:09 AM #
Man oh man, do I not have patience or what? I jsut found that Sony does in fact make a full size keyboard for the SL10... but, would I still be better off with the wireless system for $10 more?
RE: Is there a compatible full sized keyboard for the SL10 y
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/22/2002 7:53:16 AM #
I haven't used the Pocketop keyboard but here's a review you might find interesting:
www.palmgoddess.com/reviews/other/20020730_1600_Pocketop.htm
I know it won't let you rotate the screen on Sony models so beware.

I'd say you should wait a few weeks until Sony gets the folding one out. I've got one made by the same company (Think Outside) for my m515 and it rocks.

Thanks for the response.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/22/2002 12:09:10 PM #
Thanks. I don't know though... sure the wireless system is new technology and therefore may be flawed. It's just that with it you can place the PDA further away from the keyboard so you don't have to strain your eyes when its stuck in one position up close. But, regarding the horizontal placement, I don't see that as a problem. I haven't measured yet, but I think the screen is square, so you get the same amount of space upright or on its side. Either way... its my choice so I'll do my best to choose wisely based upon that review you listed, your opinion, and the opinions of others. Thanks again for responding.
Info for other SL10 users...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/22/2002 12:33:52 PM #
Ok, according to a rep from Pocketop, the Micro Innovations wireless keyboard will not work with the PEG-SL10. Here's the letter I recieved:

Hello

According to the developer's website, the SL10 will not comply with the keyboard.

http://www.pocketop.net/comp_list.shtml

The link above is a list of compatible PDAs.

Sorry for the inconvience.

James Dwyer

Recharging...

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/3/2002 4:39:23 AM #
Does the PEGA-UC60K USB Cradle charge my reachargable
AAAs?

For the PEGA-AC10 CLIÉ AC Adapter Sony states that
it does not charge batteries, but for PEGA-UC60K
there is no such statement?


Screen Quality

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/12/2002 11:53:24 PM #
The only ghost I detect is the one between the reviewer's ears masquerading as a source of intelligent analysis. The screen is lovely. Mine is clear and breathtakingly sharp with not a trace of a ghost. Add that to the fact that it's larger and twice the resolution of the m105, then add the ability to add extra storage by means of memory sticks and you eliminate that as a competitor. Next.

Visor Edge? Lower resolution, awkward ergonomics, needs a bulky add-on for expansion. Next.

m500? Hard to argue with a classic (and it is, essentially, an improved Vx), even with half the resolution, but how about this: part of what got me to go for the SL-10 was a desire to free myself from the charger when I have to take a long trip. Now I can stash a few AAA's in a pocket, a dozen or so books on a card, and who cares how long the flight takes or how many layovers there are? I'm independent and full-time power-on for days at a time. And don't let the "weeks between a charge" stories of rechargable PDA's fool you -- that's using it for minutes a day, not hours. Not to mention that the m500 is taller, heavier and costs more than an SL-10 AND a 64MB Memory Stick.

I went to the SL-10 when my good ol' Vx died, and regret it not a bit. Well, one tiny bit. I can't yet get a NuShield screen protector for it, so I have to baby the plastic digitizer more than I'd prefer to keep the scratching down. But I expect that's a state of affairs soon to be corrected. I'm a Happy Boy.

Give Me A Break !

I.M. Anonymous @ 9/26/2002 9:33:52 PM #
Ok.. I have been a Loyal Palm Guy untill Lately. Switched to this clie When the m105 crapped out AGAIN !!! The Clie is built much better, has more included software, and has to have better support than Palm ( they Are Abysmal ) Ghosting? Sure at 33 Mhz.. what do you think you are getting? A strongarm? run Fast CPU like everybody else & the ghosting disapears. Hi Resolution? It works.. but again if you wanted a super resolution screen you need Pocket Pc. This is a plam device.. a work-horse. Not a D@#$ gameboy. If you kids that want to whine want to go to the nintendo site. I have work to do and this thing is made for it.. buying 12 more next week for all my employees. Maybe they wont break these like those plastic Palm's

Why not?

LTEClie @ 12/18/2002 11:56:03 PM #
What's all the fuss about the Clie? Yes I own one but I'll try to be ubiased as possible.
Pros- HiRes Screen at 320*320/Memory Stick/Jog Dial/Triple A batterys (just my opinion/preference)/Styling (personal taste again)/Form factor/back button/Clie Programs/Documents ToGo/Picture Gear

Cons- No White Fluorescent Light (thus leading to have to hold it at certain angles to get proper lighting)/Memory Stick kinda slow...that's about all I can find. Although I did compare it to my other pdas I see the screen isn't really that bad. What makes it not so good is the glare and how the screen doesn't reflect light to well. But from what I can tell it's just like my m100/personal except it is hi res. As far as ghosting I'm reading an ebook on there right now and it doesn't look to bad (quit relaxing actually). But if I wanted the better screen/memory of course I would have paid for the sj20. Which I might upgrade to after awhile...=) But for $119 at the shack (display model) and seeing how I paid $65 for my ref. M100 awhile back, really good buy IMHO. Although if you do have the extra $$ go for the SJ20!

-Palm Personal-
-Palm M100-
-Sony SL10-

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