Comments on: Rumor: Sony Beginning to Phase Out the NR Series (Updated)

According to Eugene, Palm Infocenter's unofficial Tokyo corespondent, the NR70 and NR70V won't be available in retail stores in Tokyo for much longer. He spoke with the staff at a retail store there about why they had no NR series units on display and was told that Sony had stopped shipping those models. They are, however, still available through SonyStyle Japan.

This is the time of the year when Japanese electronics makers release their Fall offerings, so Sony could be close to announcing replacements for the NR series. It was this time last year that Sony announced the N760C. In August of 2000 it launched the Cli line in the U.S.

In what may be further evidence, several U.S. webstores have recently cut their prices for the NR70V. PC Mall, eCOST.com, and BuyDig.com are all offering it for around $500, down from the original $600.

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T665C or NR?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 12:18:13 PM #
OK, let's assume Sony is going to use a 200 MHz Dragonball MX1 and Palm OS 5 in their new handheld. What shape would you rather have, something like the T665C or like NR70V?

I'd vote for the NR series model because I want the 320 by 480 screen. Anyone else want to give their opinion?

RE: T665C or NR?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 1:29:14 PM #
How about both. I'll bet they'll (Sony) will do it too.
RE: T665C or NR?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 1:31:52 PM #
How can something be both a clamshell design and not a clamhshell design? It can't be both; They are mutually exclusive.
RE: T665C or NR?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 1:41:32 PM #
Probably he meant flat body but with a virtual graffiti screen
RE: T665C or NR?
robrecht @ 8/23/2002 1:53:07 PM #
Yes, flat body but with a virtual graffiti screen. All you really gain with the clamshell design is a thumboard and the potential for a built in camera. I'd rather have the smallest form factor and add on these things if I ever want to use them.


Thanks, Robrecht

RE: T665C or NR?
Ed @ 8/23/2002 2:17:39 PM #
Don't miss the update that I just added to the article that touches on this very issue. The Hong Kong Palm User Group has posted some info on what may be the NR70V replacement, which is more like a T665C with virtual graffiti.

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News Editor
RE: T665C or NR?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 2:59:46 PM #
I don't believe that! It says that it will have Palm OS 4.1 that is just stupid!
RE: T665C or NR?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 3:53:36 PM #
Phasing out their flagship models to introduce yet another OS 4.1 model. Ugh!

I don't think ANYONE would have a problem if they were phasing out the NR-70 series for an OS 5 replacement, but this is silly.

RE: T665C or NR?
c_blue @ 8/23/2002 4:34:57 PM #
Don't worry, if they have an OS5 pda on their workbench to be released in 6 months they have time (3 month lifespan) for 2 more new OS4.1 models

c_Blue

Oh no....
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 5:44:45 PM #
Here's to hoping that the Hong Kong rumor is wrong, or at least that they're both correct. I love the clamshell design (keyboard and built in case/screen protector).
RE: T665C or NR?
Token User @ 8/23/2002 6:26:18 PM #
The clam shell design is about the only way they can cram enough battery capacity into the device to keep everything running.

My guess is that they are both right - and talking about different models.

Even better would be Sony performing a FUD campaign (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) to hide the fact they are buying Palm, Inc., and their next device will infact be the Oslo, except with the screen and virtual graffiti of the NR, and dual SD/MS slot config.

Sony releasing OSLO!!!!!
orb2069 @ 8/24/2002 12:41:10 AM #
...their next device will infact be the Oslo, except with the screen and virtual graffiti of the NR, and dual SD/MS slot config.

***************

Thanks! I almost laughed myself SICK reading that.

The Oslo isen't anywhere near pretty enough to be a clie.

RE: T665C or NR?
useybird @ 8/24/2002 8:26:48 PM #
you can't have a 200mhz Dragonball with OS5...

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Senioritis: The chronic inflammation of the Senior.
RE: T665C or NR?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 9:39:50 PM #
You can if its the Dragonball MX1, a 200MHz ARM processor from Motorola:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X2DE12A91

RE: T665C or NR?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/25/2002 5:21:34 PM #
I would rather the T665C Body but with the NR screen . I believe the NR to be too bulky and large for quick pocket use and carry. My T65C fits perfectly in Shirt pocket or pant pocket. The NR sticks out and is just too big!
RE: T665C or NR?
gaardii @ 8/26/2002 8:00:51 AM #
>Phasing out their flagship models to introduce
>yet another OS 4.1 model. Ugh!

>I don't think ANYONE would have a problem if they
>were phasing out the NR-70 series for an OS 5
>replacement, but this is silly.

Not if it has flashable ROM. An OS5 upgrade could be made available some time in the near future which users could download. Whether or not it would be free is a good question. Something to bear in mind is that the Sony 4.1 OS was already doing many of the things that Palm OS5 does way before Palm got around to releasing 'their' latest version. And, as always when choosing a pda, a customer should consider their needs for the next year or so cos if what's available now will do the job - buy it. Sure, another model or PalmOS upgrade will come along soon, but hey, that's life. :-)

T665C form factor w VG and a battery that lasts one week on a single charge with heavy usage. Mmmm...

Gordon from Edinburgh

RE: T665C or NR?
Ed @ 8/26/2002 8:18:41 AM #
> Not if it has flashable ROM. An OS5 upgrade could be made available some
> time in the near future which users could download.

I strongly doubt there will be a version of OS 5 for the Dragonball processor, considering the major point of OS 5 is the switch to ARM-based processors.

Please, don't anyone make a decision on whether to buy any current handheld on the hope that there will be an OS 5 upgrade for it. The odds of such a thing being released are very small. If you definitely want OS 5, the best thing to do is wait for the first handhelds to ship with it on it.

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News Editor

RE: T665C or NR?
robrecht @ 8/26/2002 8:23:28 AM #
But a 66 MHz Dragonball Super VZ processor would not be able to run OS5

Thanks, Robrecht

Is something new coming?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 12:09:59 PM #
What is next? As long as it is Sony, I will buy it!
RE: Is something new coming?
EdwardGreen @ 8/23/2002 12:21:23 PM #
Sony Toothbrush with MS Duo?

-
kHiTeDev
RE: Is something new coming?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 12:53:55 PM #
Gosh I hope so. My two month old NR70V was run over by a New York taxi last week -- a long story, which I will post, with horrifying pictures, to the Graveyard soon. So I'm back in the "what to buy next" zone a little earlier that I'd anticipated. I loved it and want it back but the prospect of an OS5 unit being around the corner is hugely tempting. Erm, other than Oslo that is -- it looks like an early Psion.
RE: Is something new coming?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 12:55:07 PM #
With Sony, something new is ALWAYS coming.
RE: Is something new coming?
mrfrodo1 @ 8/23/2002 12:55:53 PM #
Something new is always coming from Sony...I wish they would make an adaptor for their memory stick so that it could take SD cards...or add an SD card slot as well as the memory stick slot! That way I could buy the new SD Wireless Card that is due out around the end of the year.

I hope so
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 1:40:25 PM #
I like that Sony is pushing the envelope.

I think it pushes Palm beyond the level/rate of innovation they'd normally deliver, and I think it makes for a better marketplace.

The positives outweight the negatives, clearly, in spite of all the whining.

RE: Is something new coming?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 4:02:56 PM #
Noting the weight - 4.9oz....Mmmm....

NR70 screen with T665 battery?

Sony finally innovate a palm-powered device with less than 3 hours usage with middle backlight on. And, if you cannot recharge it in 1 or 2 hours, you will lost all the data you write on the road.

Fantastic as a toy, garbage as a tool. Its a sony.

RE: Is something new coming?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 1:27:35 AM #
Rumor?
Yawn
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/25/2002 3:15:06 AM #
... This is yet another attempt by Sony's marketing guys to create some news. If they want to release a new unit, fine - let's see the goods. Until then, don't insult consumers' intelligence with this guerilla-marketing garbage.
Bluetooth Modules for Sony PDA's
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 4:04:07 AM #
You don't have heard it from me but.....

Sony has new Bluetooth Modules out on the market.

I hope they will do some interesting things with it!

;o)

RE: Is something new coming?
Bartman007 @ 8/26/2002 4:55:58 AM #
"Something new is always coming from Sony...I wish they would make an adaptor for their memory stick so that it could take SD cards"

An SD card is physically wider than a MS card, so it is impossible to make an adaptor unless it protrudes quite far out of the device.

"...or add an SD card slot as well as the memory stick slot! That way I could buy the new SD Wireless Card that is due out around the end of the year."

That move would totally undermine Sony's big push behind the MemoryStick. Sony has spent millions upon millions of dollars putting MS slots in nearly every portable (and many stationary) devices they make. To suddenly give people a choice would be stupid (from a financial standpoint.) On top of that, Sony is now ramping up the MS Duo, a smaller version of the MS, and with an adaptor these will work in existing devices.

In short, this would be just as weird a move as Sony deciding to put Palm's UC on their devices alongside their HotSync connectors.


I hope this post makes sense as I am righting it while majorly jetlagged and at 2 am.

Peace,
-Bartman007

New Sony Bluetooth?
Palm_Otaku @ 8/26/2002 3:22:55 PM #
Sony has new Bluetooth Modules out on the market.

Really? Got a link??? Or are you hinting that there is a new Bt module coming out sometime soon?

Sony at fault

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 12:20:10 PM #
Could it be possible that Sony and stores are attempting to reduce the NR70 and NR70V prices, because of the memory stick problem?
Amazing how many boxes and PDA's Sony will have to recall back and fix, only because of this MS problem.
RE: Sony at fault
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 12:58:03 PM #
I'm not sure every user will experience the MS problem. I haven't, and I use 3 different MemSticks all the time. I've owned my NR-70 since June.
RE: Sony at fault
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 2:02:19 PM #
The memory stick problem is REAL!
RE: Sony at fault
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 2:09:11 PM #
I never said it wasn't, moron. I said I wasn't sure if EVERY user would experience it. I haven't yet, as I said, but you didn't bother to read it, and I use my Clie and my MemSticks ALL THE TIME.

RTFP next time, dolt.

RE: Sony at fault
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 11:32:29 AM #
Obviously the poster is a troll....
RE: Sony at fault
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 11:04:39 AM #
I wouldn't be surprised that Sony just dropped it. I have had the MS problem and have been waiting almost 3 weeks to get it back. It is a real design flaw in my opinion. When I called last week they said there was a back order for parts to fix the NR70. It is obvious that there are a lot of malfunctioning units. This is really unacceptable for a company like Sony. Especially for people like me who use and depend on this device for almost everything I do. I will not buy a sony again because of their service. I am very disappointed.

Cut Sony a Break

kevdo @ 8/23/2002 12:47:40 PM #
It isn't like these models have only been on the market for three months. These units are definitely getting long in the tooth and it is high time Sony did something about it by end-of-lifeing them.

-Kevin Crossman
RE: Cut Sony a Break
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 1:00:04 PM #
Good grief, I HOPE this is sarcasm. Otherwise you might just be on crack.
RE: Cut Sony a Break
ardee @ 8/23/2002 1:18:42 PM #
I think it was indeed sarcasm. The models have only been out about the 3 months he references. Sony changes models more often than Hugh Hefner!

RE: Cut Sony a Break
Ronin @ 8/23/2002 1:26:08 PM #
"Sony changes models more often than Hugh Hefner!"


LOL!

In the Spirit of Umoja,
Ronin

RE: Cut Sony a Break
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 8:03:51 PM #
"Sony changes models more often than Hugh Hefner!"

PIC needs a joke of the week section - this wins for this week:)

RE: Cut Sony a Break
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 8:22:16 PM #
No no no. Sony introduces new handhelds every three months, but switches (And discontinues) the corresponding one of high or low end. So that gives Sony handhelds a life of 6 months. According to that chagrin, I'd have to buy my Visor Platinum 4 times (Don't forget the first time) to keep up with the latest one.
RE: Cut Sony a Break
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 11:14:43 PM #
What a 3 month intro cycle means to current PalmOS owners is that if you smash up your current handheld (dog chomped it, etc.) in the middle of the product cycle, you don't have to buy a nearly year old model to replace it; there's alway a new model that just came out a few couple months ago (or will be out in a few weeks). New buyers never have to buy anything but the latest designs. Plus the design-of-the-month method keeps Sony's product lines always in the press, which probably produces better sales.
RE: Cut Sony a Break
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 12:00:59 AM #
> that gives Sony handhelds a life of 6 months.

Obviously, because we all know that mid-April to mid-August is 6 months.

RE: Cut Sony a Break
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 7:36:28 AM #
The NR series was announced in Japan in early March. March 11, in fact. If they don't discontinue them for 2 more weeks, it will be exactly 6 months.

www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3123

RE: Cut Sony a Break
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 11:33:13 AM #
> www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3123

Did you actually read the article? "NR70 will be available on March 23. The NR70V will be out April 13." March 23 is exactly 5 months ago and April 13 is practically 4 months ago. I assume you help Bush out with his fuzzy math too.

RE: Cut Sony a Break
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 1:02:47 PM #
And Sony announced the NR series will be discontinued on... wait, that hasn't happened yet. Isn't it a bit premature to be arguing over whether its product lifespan is 5 months or 6 when it hasn't been discontinued?
RE: Cut Sony a Break
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 2:12:57 PM #
>> "Isn't it a bit premature to be arguing over whether its product lifespan is 5 months or 6 when it hasn't been discontinued?" <<

Yes it is. You might also ask "Isn't it a bit IMmature...?" because it's also that. All you freaking teenagers and adults-with-teenage-mentality need to go somewhere else.

Sony

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 12:48:32 PM #
I love you Sony


But I love Dell better. I wish they were in the Palm camp.

PALMSOURCE RULES!
PALM DRULES!

Acer is cool!

RE: Sony
mrfrodo1 @ 8/23/2002 12:50:40 PM #
How you can you love Dell? There isn't anything invoative about what they are doing!

Sony is constantly invoating...if it wasn't for them we'd still all be stuck with 160x160 res screens!

RE: Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 12:53:19 PM #
Yeah, your right. But their PC's come with no flause. (I had bad experiences with Compaq) Their Customer Service is great. And they have great deals.
RE: Sony
mrfrodo1 @ 8/23/2002 12:57:45 PM #
Their PC's do indeed come with flaws. Their Insprion Laptop 5000 line had a hinge problem with the screen, so after a while the hinge would just let go and then there would be no more opening or closing of the screen. I have had numerous hard drives in Dell PC's all have head crashes at the same time!

RE: Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 1:01:31 PM #
So if it's cheap enough, it can have a few problems and/or bugs and you won't mind? That's been the linchpin of Dell's business model for years.

Unfortunately the handheld arena deals in parts that really can't handle that paradigm. That's why repairing the stupid things often costs nearly as much as purchasing them.

Sony has the right ideas, now if they'd only stop making so much proprietary hardware and support more standards (memory stick, video APIs come to mind) they would help out the whole PalmOS family of devices.

Oh! Wait! They want to make more profit?? How dare they!

RE: Sony'n'Dell
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 1:01:46 PM #
Actually you can love them both. Dell seem to have a never-ending* 10% off deal for all PDAs and when I bought my NR from there they didn't charge me tax or shipping. (* they keep shifting the expiry date)
RE: Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 1:12:10 PM #
If only Compaq and Dell were on the PPC side of things. I like the Palm OS but a lot of games like Age of Empires (Coming Soon) Tomb Raider, and Emulators are on the PPC. Yet the Palm has better organization!
RE: Sony
robrecht @ 8/23/2002 1:56:41 PM #
I have both a Dell laptop and a SONY laptop and there's no comparison. SONY.

Thanks, Robrecht
RE: Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 2:00:53 PM #
You conviced me!!!!!

DELL Should die! Sony All the way!!!!!


RE: Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 2:11:52 PM #
In response to the original post:-

Get a girlfriend.

Moron2000
University of Cuba
Comp. Engineering Dept.

RE: Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 9:29:11 PM #
" I like the Palm OS but a lot of games like Age of Empires (Coming Soon) Tomb Raider, and Emulators are on the PPC. Yet the Palm has better organization!"

With OS 5 , the power (and the hi-res API) is there to do these games - no problem.

RE: Sony
LarryGarfield @ 8/24/2002 2:35:27 AM #
Sony is constantly invoating...if it wasn't for them we'd still all be stuck with 160x160 res screens!

Um, HandEra 330. Not Sony, and not 160x160. Thanks for playing.

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RE: Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/25/2002 11:32:16 PM #
"Their PC's do indeed come with flaws. Their Insprion Laptop 5000 line had a hinge problem with the screen, so after a while the hinge would just let go and then there would be no more opening or closing of the screen. I have had numerous hard drives in Dell PC's all have head crashes at the same time!"

I've had an Inspiron 8000 and 8100 for quiet a while and they are still like the first day, working perfectly. Dell sells A LOT of computers so 1% of problems equals thousands of people complaining like you, but if you go with Compaq or HP you will have 30% which is thousands (the same amount) of people complaining. Absolute numbers can be deceiving.

sj20

UZI4U182 @ 8/23/2002 1:10:54 PM #
I know this is off-subject, but when is the final review of the SJ220 coming? It's been 4 days since the release...

--Devan--

www.tavern.2ya.com
Palm OS apps, news, reviews and such

RE: sj20
Ronin @ 8/23/2002 1:30:02 PM #
Actually, Devan, if you take a look at the most recent 'Quickie' on the homepage, the SJ20 is not in stores yet.

In the Spirit of Umoja,
Ronin
RE: sj20
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 2:36:41 AM #
it's probably been discontinued

Ah

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 1:48:02 PM #
Another discontinued model from Sony. What else is new?
RE: Ah
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 2:26:56 PM #
Hopefully they figured out that nobody wants the stupid flip/twist/fold screen in the process.
RE: Ah
sandbuck @ 8/23/2002 2:36:50 PM #
What else is new? You are new-- the newest addition to the Whiner's Dirty Diaper Corps. Let the innovators innovate for crying out loud.
RE: Ah
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 4:14:38 PM #
You have to realize something. They're not designing and rolling out product solely for the US market, like other palm manufacturers. They are a Japanese company after all. They're rolling out products for a market that is used to seeing shorter product cycles, and constant innovation, or at the very least, new features or combinations of features, if not true "innovations". They're taking a product cycle they're familiar with in the consumer electronics realm in Asia, and applying it to their handheld devices.

You're used to seeing handheld makers roll out new product every couple years, but in the arena that Sony is used to operating it, it can't keep a product on the market for years, and not lose market share. And like it or not, Sony is gaining market share in the handheld arena.

This does not make the older models "obsolete" nor does it indicate that they are going to stop supporting it. Those who sit here and whine that "I can't belive that Sony's doing it AGAIN" need to mature a bit. This is the real world folks, not high school.

RE: Ah
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 4:29:33 PM #
Sony products have an average shelf life of a warm melon :)
,Hotoru
RE: Ah
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 4:43:54 PM #
>>This does not make the older models "obsolete" nor does it indicate that they are going to stop supporting it.

--Sony never began supporting them. How can it stop?

>>Those who sit here and whine that "I can't belive that Sony's doing it AGAIN" need to mature a bit. This is the real world folks, not high school.

--The only people who make such comments are usually still in high school or freshmen in college ;).

Why I love Sony, and other thoughts
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 4:47:48 PM #
ummm... because they come out with handhelds every couple of days... no, no, that's not it. maybe... because they innovate in ways that makes palm's head spin... nah... wrong again...

oh oh! i know. because we get to read about rumors on PIC and people's wacky reactions to all of this.

honestly. if sony wants to come out with new products on the third friday of every month, let them. if palm wants to come out with new products every third year, let them. be at peace. why get so upset? do, however, keep the fun comments coming. my favorite comment so far today was posted by Sandbuck:

>> What else is new? You are new-- the newest addition to the Whiner's Dirty Diaper Corps. Let the innovators innovate for crying out loud.

all i know is i'm laughing out loud.

hmm, perhaps i should have titled this: "Why I love PIC."

RE: Ah
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 5:11:18 PM #
>>Hopefully they figured out that nobody wants the stupid flip/twist/fold screen in the process.<<

I do.

RE: Ah
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 6:01:08 PM #
" What else is new? You are new-- the newest addition to the Whiner's Dirty Diaper Corps. "

Funny. I think you are more of a whiner who couldn't stand anybody not agreeing with your beloved Sony master. If Sony sells diapers I'm sure you'll be wearing one.

RE: Ah
sandbuck @ 8/25/2002 9:39:32 PM #
>>Funny. I think you are more of a whiner who couldn't stand.....

LOL!! Please pick up your Pilot 5000 on ailse three....

RE: Ah
Bartman007 @ 8/26/2002 5:12:49 AM #
I understand both sides of this argument.

I think it is great that Sony is releasing new models/upgrades.

The only problem I have with this is the fact that 3rd party companies have a hard time committing. It took a while for companies to release products for the S/N Clie connectors. Once companies started committing Sony switched it on then and introduced the T series connector. No one produced a folding keyboard, one of the staples in the geek-sector. Sony finally had to make their own.

Sony needs to learn from Palm's mistakes and stay committed to a connector for a while...

Peace,
-Bartman007

Sony is irritating.

mentalsrule @ 8/23/2002 2:32:58 PM #
I cant believe they do this all the time. i thought i would get used to sony cutting units out every month it seemed like. but for them to already discontinue the NR70 or shortly doing so is just retarded. I love the clie's but damn, im starting to dislike sony. its getting to the point where its too much. who cares if its august and blah blah blah... it doesnt matter. they should be more responsible, and reliable for their handhelds.

____________________
If One day something should go wrong, then uhh... I'm sorry....?
RE: spoiled brats are irritating
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 4:28:55 PM #
[translation:]

Whaaaaanh!

I've got the NR70V ultimate PDA and now Sony has the gall to come out with something more ultimate!! If I don't upgrade right away, my status as the geekiest kid in school is going to suffer big time!!!!

As a high-school student do you guys have any idea what kind of sulking tantrum I'm going to have to pull to get Mommy and Daddy to buy me ANOTHER new PDA (I mean it has worked every time in the past, but I wanted to guilt them into a new 24" LCD display for the high end PC they just bought me...)

That does it!!! I'm going to lie on the floor kicking and screaming for a good solid hour; then go into a destructive rage and throw my Aibo through the screen of my new Wega; and then hold my breath until those good-for-nothing parents of mine ante up.

#$@%#@%$@&%#@

I hate Sony!
I love Sony!
I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it! I want it!

RE: Spoiled brats are irritating.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 8:14:10 AM #
You nailed that one my friend.
RE: Sony is irritating.
whiterabbit @ 8/28/2002 1:44:31 AM #
Oh my gosh, that is hilarious. Thank you for making my day much more funny!

RE: Sony is irritating.
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/1/2002 10:32:17 PM #
Welcome to Palm DayCareCenter!

this is why i hate sony...

ice @ 8/23/2002 2:38:19 PM #
they are always dropping their newest line for something else. the NR series is what, 6 months old if that? my god. they dish too much out too quickly, then stop supporting it.

xbox is the best console in the world, and always will be.
RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 2:50:13 PM #
I have the opposite opinion. That is why I *love* Sony. Groundbreaking new functionality at a good price delivered constantly. No other Palm compatible hardware company is close to Sony's pace of innovation. Long live Sony!
RE: this is why i hate sony...
ice @ 8/23/2002 3:03:45 PM #
yea well some of us dont have the money to waste 600 bucks on something that in 5 months will become obsolete.

xbox is the best console in the world, and always will be.
RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 3:04:52 PM #
"... then stop supporting it"

Huh? Discontinued means no longer manufactured/sold, not no longer supported. Although Sony's customer support is notoriously bad, they do support old devices.

RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 3:06:44 PM #
Why will it be obsolete in 5 months? You mean it will stop working? It won't run your software any more? The screen will explode?

Or did you mean to say that in 5 months it won't be the newest model on the market any more, but will still run as well as it did when you drooled over the specs and bought it?

RE: this is why i hate sony...
Beavis @ 8/23/2002 3:08:12 PM #
Main Entry: obsolete
Pronunciation: "b-s&-'lEt, 'b-s&-"
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin obsoletus, from past participle of obsolescere to grow old, become disused, perhaps from ob- toward + solEre to be accustomed
Date: 1579

1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful b : of a kind or style no longer current

RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 3:34:09 PM #
Sony's actions aren't good for the techno-addicts who must have the latest thing immediately.

It's great for me, though, because I can wait the three months for the model to be discontinued, then grab a handheld for cheap that's still better than anything the other companies are releasing.

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I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 3:43:18 PM #
As much as like 'innovation'... well, Sony barely qualifies... this is ridiculous. the NR70V hasn't even matured and it's phasing out. There will be no guarantee that bugs will be ironed out of prior series nor will support be adequate. Although I own a Clie myself, I find this very absurd.
RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 3:47:12 PM #
"xbox is the best console in the world, and always will be. "

that's really why you hate sony ...

my my my
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 3:49:06 PM #
my panties are bunched up in such a big wad about this!

Really folks, you don't flip out when Sony phases out a new TV or DVD player, so why flip out about it when Sony phases out a PDA???

Remember, this is Sony. They introuduce new models of all of their electronics all the time. Get used to it. Sony has been doing this sort of thing since day one.

RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 5:03:40 PM #
While it is absurd that the "greatest PalmOS device ever" (according to lots of reviewers) is being discontinued, it doesn't mean that it will stop working when the next one comes along.

They could be like Palm and introduce the same things over and over in different casings for years.

In the last two years Sony has brough MP3, HiRes, HiRes+, built in keyboard, built in camera, simple memory expansion (memory sticks may be proprietary, but they have more acceptance and uses than Springboards ever did), faster processors, etc, etc, etc.

Be glad that they keep advancing the ball. Most people don't go buy the newest PDA as it is released. Plus, as someone else said, it just means that the previous "latest and greatest" gets its price lowered more quickly.

"NR-70V is the best PDA in the world, and always will be. "

For those who complains about Sony
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 5:03:49 PM #
For those who complains about Sony releases PDA too often too fast for *you*:

Do you complain about Intel & AMD releasing processors every 3 months? "Why they release Pentium IV 2.6 GHz? My Pentium IV 2.4 GHz is obsoleted already!"

Or do you complain about HP/Compaq/Sony releases new computers (that use the latest processor)?

Tell us, what's the processor in your computer? Mine is P-III 1.0Ghz and it fits my needs well. Probably same case for you -- if your NR70 fits your needs, why complain?

Sony continues to support old PDAs -- at least they still release software updates for them.

Most argument against Sony's short cycle is groundless. See anyone can come up with some better argument?

RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 5:13:41 PM #
>>xbox is the best console in the world, and always will be. <<

Yeah, that's why MS is scrambling to rework everything around it in order to stop the sinking ship that it is . . .

You have to realize...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 6:11:06 PM #
That Sony is a Japanese company, and they have the ability to innovate constantly (unlike the U.S. market). Ever realize that Japan is ALWAYS slightly ahead of our time? I mean, they already went into robotic vaccuum cleaners and automated toilets. So I don't know what the hell you guys are whining about, let them innovate. After all, you are fortunate enough to have a company that ACTUALLY innovates.
RE: this is why i hate sony...
pontif @ 8/23/2002 6:12:22 PM #
Nah.. This is great news. I may soon be able to get an NR70V for less than I paid for my T615...

Who cares if the NR90 is out, or some NX100 500MHz OS 5 model, as long as the NR70 keeps working and does what I need...

The only reason I'd switch from my T615 would be for the brighter display, virtual graffiti, and thumboard, all of which I find compelling. OS 5 doesn't sway me much... Unless I was sure I could upgrade later to OS 5.5 or OS6, etc.

Obsolete?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 6:45:29 PM #
I don't know what the complaining is about - I mean, if you have a NR-70, good for you. If Sony comes out with something new, your NR-70 won't die. What if all they come out with is maybe an NR-70 look-alike with a few new features?

I bought my iBook (12.1 inch screen, 600MHz processor) 3 months before they replaced it with the 700MHz one - the new one has double the VRAM and cache mine did - I'm not pulling my hair out like some of the people on here. Sure, it's always nice to have the latest and greatest, but if what you have works, stick with it.

I bought my Palm Vx last November when Staples was having some specials. It has OS 4.1 now, but overall I'm not lusting for a hi-res color screen, expansion slots, or even a native USB connection. For me, it works, has phenomenal battery life and is quite fast - and yes, I do more than just use the built in apps.

For everyone who's getting in a tizzy about the NR-70s being replaced, take a chill pill.

Peace,
Eric

RE: Obsolete?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 7:20:36 PM #
Eric-

Your point is well taken, however, it is frustrating because the NR70 has been out for under 4 months. I bought mine early May. The real problem is that Sony needs to stick to one standard for peripherals so that even though may no longer make the NR70/V at least there will be enough options to continue using their device.

RE: Obsolete?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 7:28:34 PM #
I bet the new Clie with have the T-series connector. Don't worry abt peripherals. It will be same connector.
Good On Sony
OzziePalmDieHard @ 8/23/2002 9:01:32 PM #
It is good to see sony innovating, as it, "keeps the bastards honest". Palm and Handspring and others have to keep on their toes, and its a good thing.

I don't care how many PDA's sony puts out a week, as long as they use a stable connector for peripherals.
Anyway, PIC would be boring if not for the "new sony" story every week.



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RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 9:38:06 PM #
>>Do you complain about Intel & AMD releasing processors every 3 months? "Why they release
>>Pentium IV 2.6 GHz? My Pentium IV 2.4 GHz is obsoleted already!"

>>Or do you complain about HP/Compaq/Sony releases new computers (that use the
>>latest processor)?

EXACTLY!!!! Enough of this weird obsessive whining about obsolesence - oh no! you mean handheld computers are becoming just like desktop computers, which are also discontinued 2 months after they come out! how dare they! If you guys were on some message board whinning about how Dell or Compaq have come out with yet another slew of PC models (and its only been weeks since the last) - you'd look like complete fools. Think about it - no difference.

RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 5:27:44 AM #
"I bet the new Clie with have the T-series connector. Don't worry abt peripherals. It will be same connector."

That would make a load of sense - they already have
a keyboard, a gamepad and other things. It's better
to have these peripherals as an add on for those
who want it, vs packaging it on the PDA like the
keyboard in the NR series.


RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 5:33:48 AM #
By the time my NR-70 is due for replacement, I can get the super NR whatever that's out now cheap because it will be discontinued. I might very well wait four months after a new Sony product is released simply to save a few hundred bucks when it gets discontinued rather than pay an extra $200 for the 'latest greatest' bragging rights. This could backfire on Sony in the U.S. -- have all your customers wait for the new release to drop in price since the new one is only 3 months around the corner.
RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 5:41:24 AM #
whatever works for you works for them, you are buying a clie anyway, they are still making money off you.

what's ironic is what's going to be phase out by sony is far more advanced than any palm PDA on the market.

RE: this is why i hate sony...
useybird @ 8/24/2002 8:41:46 PM #
>>you don't flip out when Sony phases out a new TV or DVD player, so why flip out about it when Sony phases out a PDA???

Because right now all DVD players and TV do pretty much the same thing, and some of us have had TVs and DVD players for 8 years now (I do for the former) and It does the same thing a new regular TV (Not that fancy-ass widescreen HDTV crap)
With PDA's there has been more change and product innovation in the past 6 years than there has with TVs

IMO, Don't get me wrong, I like watching TV on my 25" RCA, but to me the handheld market is more exciting to watch because more new innovations come out at most every year. When was the last time you kept appointments and phone numbers on a TV?

Sony should call the T-series connector the Sony Universal Connector Kit System. I bet that would make an interesting acronym that describes Sony's method of marketing:)

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RE: this is why i hate sony...
useybird @ 8/24/2002 9:10:49 PM #
Memory sticks might be smaller but If I recall there were springboards that did alot more than some memory stick did. And they were available in the US.

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RE: this is why i hate sony...
Bartman007 @ 8/26/2002 5:24:28 AM #
"Sony should call the T-series connector the Sony Universal Connector Kit System. I bet that would make an interesting acronym that describes Sony's method of marketing:)"

ROFL!!!!!

RE: this is why i hate sony...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/28/2002 1:52:06 AM #
"xbox is the best console in the world, and always will be"

I will agree when it does.

Same Size as the T665C

moholland @ 8/23/2002 3:51:43 PM #
"4.65 by 2.83 by 0.50 inches and weighs 4.9 oz" is the exact size of the t665.

Does this sound reasonable? I would be very impressed if they could fit the camera into the same dimensions without at least increasing the weight. If this is true... I can't wait to see the battery life with virtual graffiti and a camera.

RE: Same Size as the T665C
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 1:20:25 AM #
Of course they can do it. Just eat away at the battery. It now lasts 1 hour!
RE: Same Size as the T665C
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 6:01:58 AM #
I guess that it will not have a camera on the T665C-like model. It will have a camera on the NR70V-like model. This is more in line with the OS5 rumour in the gadgeteer website.

I guess there will be 2 new Sony models shipping in the next quarter but not in the same month. It will probably be an OS4.1 for T665C-like model and OS5 for the NR90V-like model.

Was this an April fools joke???

moholland @ 8/23/2002 5:05:11 PM #
I can't find the reference on www.brando.com.hk/

Does anyone here remember this PIC article? www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3322

RE: Was this an April fools joke???
Ed @ 8/23/2002 5:25:48 PM #
Presumably this was referring to the T650C and T665C. These were announced in Japan and the U.S. at about the time Brando's rumor said a new Cli model was coming.

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News Editor
RE: Was this an April fools joke???
Palm_Otaku @ 8/23/2002 5:26:21 PM #
re: Brando : not sure what reference you're looking for on Brando's site (it was the Hong Kong user group that has the NR90 rumor - see the hyperlink in the article).

re: the April 17 PIC article you reference ("Rumor: New Handhelds from Sony and Nextel"), Sony did come out with the T665C in June as well as the SL10 in July and the SJ20/SJ30 in August :)

Only discontinued in Asia?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 5:11:07 PM #
I would guess that the built-in keyboard featured in the NR70 is not
very useful in Asia. So, perhaps this PDA will only be pulled from
the market in Asia.
RE: Only discontinued in Asia?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 7:26:32 PM #
It is only discontinued in Japan. It was the best selling PDAs in Japan.
RE: Only discontinued in Asia?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 11:02:01 AM #
Why would the keyboard be less useful in Asia? Even Asians need a keyboard to enter text.

RE: Only discontinued in Asia?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 8:26:02 PM #
Japanese enter text on the Palm keyboard by typing the romaji characters, and it converts it to Japanese characters. Like, typing sayoonara (goodbye) would change it to 您Ȃ.
RE: Only discontinued in Asia?
useybird @ 8/24/2002 8:54:12 PM #
I'm surprised that so many Japanese people know english enough that they can type it on a keyboard. I don't know Japanese. I don't even know Spanish. English must be more ubiquitous than I thought.

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RE: Only discontinued in Asia?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/25/2002 6:59:32 PM #
They actually don't need to know english, they need to know the alphabet and the sounds the letters represent.

I have finally given up.

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 10:07:21 PM #
It looks like another company is comming out with an os 4.1 device in SEPTEMBER 2002. Where is os 5 and the promised hardware bonanza? I waited as long as I could. I just bought a Toshiba e550g Xscale PPC. 599.99 with 802.11b card and 64 meg CF. I really like Palm OS but the hardware just hasn't kept pace.
RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 11:35:36 PM #
Congrats, you'll come to the same conclusion I did. Between all the crashes you'll experience with PPC you'll get an 802.11 experience that lasts for about a half hour before the battery goes. Eventually the battery will go dead all together. You'll replace the entire PDA about 3 times (for this and other hardware issues like speakers, backlights, joypads, digitizer, etc.) before you decide to go to an NR70 (or whatever replaces it).
RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 11:48:05 PM #
Yes, how is that 802.11b on the NR70?
RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/23/2002 11:56:30 PM #
>>Yes, how is that 802.11b on the NR70?<<

A lot more stable than on PPC. :D

RE: XScale has problems
Cheetah @ 8/24/2002 12:01:17 AM #
The 400mhz XScale processor sounds impressive, but even Intel admits that it has speed problems. People who compare a 400mhz XScale powered PPC next to a 200mhz StrongArm powered PPC see little or no speed difference.

Intel has set up a special group to work with vendors to try to improve XScale's performance as a result.

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 12:05:07 AM #
Give up the PPC bashing. I picked up Toshiba e740 and I WiFi for much more than a 1/2 hour, experience very few problems that require a reset and have had no reason to return it at all. Stop being so naive, Palm needs to get their act together and the ONLY PalmOS based manufactureer doing anything right is Sony. The other, Palm included, a cluster ****. Handspring sucks, Handera is a friggen joke and imbarresment to PDAs, Palm could screeup a wet dream. Sony is the only one with a clus and the only reason they are in with this load of loosers is their beef with MS. If that ever becomes water under the bridge Palm white knight is GONE. My predictions, Handera out od PDA business..PERIOD, Handspring Sold 1 year, Palm bankrupt 6 months.

Come on MS PPC2002 is almost right now and any shortcomings will be fixed in 2003 or .NET or 2004. Or the MS phone will do them in. WTF, has palm done in 2 years? Same hardware same rehashed OS same limitations.

RE: I have finally given up.
abosco @ 8/24/2002 3:24:14 AM #
That same rehashed OS and rehashed hardware has won awards and has drawn record sales. Too bad you can't say anything like that about your precious e710, or any PPC for that matter. And if the only Palm OS hardware manufacturer that is doing anything right is Sony, then why is Palm still in the lead with marketshare by far???

And cheetah, yes, the X-Scale 400 mhz processor does have some major problems. Jeez, you haven't been at the forums for YEARS!

(This program has performed an illegal operation and needs to close) "But I only went to microsoft.com! Oh..."

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 5:32:25 AM #
"Sony is the only one with a clus and the only reason they are in with this load of loosers is their beef with MS."

Funny you mention this, b/c the only reason
Toshiba is making PPC's is because Palm rejected
Toshiba's bid to create palm units for fear of
another Sony that will decrease Palm's market
share. So Toshiba's first choice was to be w/
loosers too, if you put it that way. I'm sure
you read Brighthand, PDA Buzz and all the other
PPC Forums and know that.

"Come on MS PPC2002 is almost right now and any shortcomings will be fixed in 2003 or .NET or 2004. Or the MS phone will do them in. WTF, has palm done in 2 years? Same hardware same rehashed OS same limitations."

Funny you mention this again. You know, as well as everyone who follows PDA's know, that PPC2002 will
not be optimized for XScale in the near future.
By 2003 or 2004, every company will have their next
generation out, so it's a moot point. Intel is only
STARTING to get developers to optimize their software.
for the PPC.

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 8:27:04 AM #
If only you'd read this page on why the NR70V beats a PPC all hollow:
www.med.unc.edu/~greena/back2palm/

It isn't too late. Return the e550g!

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 11:44:03 AM #
> Handera is a friggen joke and imbarresment to PDAs

Why, because for half the price of your $600 PPC I get many times the battery life, more usable OS, and essentially identical expansion options? I can use WiFi for hours without a worry.

> Come on MS PPC2002 is almost right now and any shortcomings will
> be fixed in 2003 or .NET or 2004. Or the MS phone will do them in. WTF,
> has palm done in 2 years? Same hardware same rehashed OS same limitations.

Palm's OS limitations will be solved this fall, and Palm rehashes the hardware because they already know what people want. PPC will be losing marketshare by the end of the year.

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 12:29:04 PM #
>>Yes, how is that 802.11b on the NR70?<<

A lot more stable than on PPC. :D

Is there a mem stick 802.11b card I don't know about? I don't believe there is. The NR series is a gadget with a camera nothing more. As an IT administrator in a large hospital I can assure you, WE WILL NOT BE DEPLOYING SONY'S FOR OUR WIRELESS NETWORK.

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 1:01:28 PM #
> As an IT administrator in a large hospital I can assure you, WE WILL NOT BE DEPLOYING
> SONY'S FOR OUR WIRELESS NETWORK.

Why the yelling? Who cares what you deploy for your wireless network!

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 1:07:53 PM #
As an IT administrator in a large hospital, you should have gone for the HandEra 330. It is half the cost of the e550g's you are using and can connect to 802.11 networks for much longer. The battery life of the units will be significantly longer as well. When a doctor needs their handheld, running out of power can be a disaster, especially for the patient.

The Total Cost of Ownership for a Palm OS device is significantly lower than for a Pocket PC one. According to the Gantry Group, the TCO each year for a Palm OS handheld is just $455 and $775 for one running Pocket PC.
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3640

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 1:37:48 PM #
>Yes, how is that 802.11b on the NR70?

It doesn't work on your Toshiba either genuis, that's the point (and neither does anything else once your battery goes dead). Just another case of lofty and unrealized expectations of PPC.

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 1:50:03 PM #
I'm not sure but I think the Xscale does do better in the battery life than the old strong arm. I to think "Palm" better hurry up with an os 5 device.
RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 2:10:42 PM #
As an IT administrator in a large hospital, you should have gone for the HandEra 330. It is half the cost of the e550g's you are using and can connect to 802.11 networks for much longer. The battery life of the units will be significantly longer as well. When a doctor needs their handheld, running out of power can be a disaster, especially for the patient.

Only one problem. We allow acccess to medical images and color patology specimens, HandEra 330 can't do that yet.

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 3:07:39 PM #
e740 will be a much better choice than 550g, it has built in WiFi at ~$570 with replacable battery.

handera ~$270 + ~$170 CFWiFi

in exchange you have a color screen with OS that is more capable at handling large memory for hospital need. plus you can back up over network full speed instead of relaying on the handheld itself as an information life-line.

RE: I have finally given up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/24/2002 4:40:03 PM #
hold on HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA if your worried about power get a palm os device the clies are sooooooo much better than ppcs
RE: I have finally given up.
useybird @ 8/24/2002 9:21:32 PM #
Toshiba also makes the SD Palm Bluetooth Card, JFYI

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PPC and WiFi battery life
Palm_Otaku @ 8/25/2002 2:42:50 PM #
Probably the only practical solution for one of the Toshiba PPC + WiFi setups is to add the (bulky) auxilliary battery pack (or have lots of spare battery packs and charging cradles scattered throughout the facility).

For that kind of capital investment and size penalty, a micro laptop (such as the C1 PictureBook) would be superior in many ways.

During the next year it is very likely that superior solutions will be available on the PalmOS platform (particularly w.r.t. battery life). It will also be interesting to see what the new Tablet PC platform has to offer in terms of real-world functionality.

The NR70's were bricks anyway

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/25/2002 12:24:44 PM #
And expensive bricks at that!

Highly Doubtful

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/25/2002 2:24:57 PM #
The NR-70/V may be discontinued in Asia, but I doubt it's leaving the US soon. I've noticed more than one retailer has set up special Sony display areas similar to those previously employed by Palm and Handspring. The featured PDAs? The SL/SJ series, the T series (both 615 and 665), and the NR series (both 70 and 70V). I doubt a company would make that kind of marketing push on products that are about to go away.

Remember, rumors are simply that, and this one is from the other side of the world, to boot.

RE: Highly Doubtful
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/26/2002 12:15:09 AM #
> I've noticed more than one retailer has set up special Sony display areas
> similar to those previously employed by Palm and Handspring.

I have not seen any such thing in the US. The Sonys aren't even available in most US retail stores that sell Palm and Handspring PDAs.

Best Buy and Circuit City no longer selling NR70

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 4:34:29 PM #
If you go to Best Buy's page they say no longer taking order for the NR70, and I cannot find the NR70 listed in the pda section on Circuit City's page.

There even having trouble finding me a replacement unit for my NR70 locally.

Nr70V Price increase?

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/27/2002 9:45:40 PM #
On Thursday, I had finally decided that I was going to purchase an NR70v; using mysimon.com and pricegrabber.com, I found that the lowest price was approximately $505. I decided that I would hold off on ordering until the price dipped just below $500. On Friday, I stumbled upon your site (for the very first time) and was overjoyed to hear that the model had been discontinued; surely, this would mean a further price reduction, and I thought that the price would $499 (or so) in no time. I check the prices again on Sunday... and they've gone up? I check again today, and they've gone up even more (not drastically, but the cheapest one (new) is now about $519 as opposed to $505). I think I already know the answer, but would someone mind explaining this?
RE: Nr70V Price increase?
I.M. Anonymous @ 9/8/2002 4:01:51 PM #
Maybe more and more people were suddenly buying it because they realized that soon they might not be able to get it, thatis when stocks are exhausted, and so the stores put the prices up in order to maximize their profits. Makes sense to me.

- MacClie

Ha ha

PIC mobile user @ 8/28/2002 2:27:51 PM #
i think it is a very great to see that Japan is move at the speed of light.
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