Comments on: Rumor: More Info on Palm Zire and Palm Tungsten

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Please, be a little more constructive here. I'm not the one who wrote the 1st comment but I agree. 16MB for a brand new high-end device is a little on the low end.

As far as I understand memory eats battery life. Since there is Bluetooth, an ARM CPU and a high-res screen, the battery is already compromised...

You can add 256 MB SD cards if you want more memory !

16 MB would not hinder me from buying this Palm. But a mediocre screen like on the m130 would ...

Lets wait and see whether Palm can beat the SonyEricsson P800 !!

16megs of RAM on a OS5 device?!?! You gotta be kidding me...

the new programs are probably going to take up more ram anyways...so 16megs will definitely not do...

64 is already on the low end...

64 mb is **NOT** already on the "low-end".

Get a clue, little nerd-boy.

>the new programs are probably going to take up more ram anyways...so 16megs will definitely not do...

Applications that currently run on an m505 use LESS than 256kB of R/W RAM. That's all that is available; the rest is write-protected database storage (simulated ROM). Even the Sony nr70 allows less than 1 MB of application heap. Using more power-consuming DRAM to emulate zero-static-power flash is just a waste. If anything, they should add another slot for more MMC cards or memory sticks.

What if it also had 16mb of flash?? And a neat little program that when you, say, install DateBk5, it will copy it to flash if you want and hide your old datebook icon. :) I'm no expert, but wouldnt that be better, ie your programs in flash and limit the ram and you would save battery power, as the flash doesnt need the capacitors charged every so many milliseconds??
16mb would be OK. BUT what really concerns me is that if we all pay this much for a Palm, with the avent that OS6 is around the corner to upgrade to, I would assume we will want more than 16mb for OS6.
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16M, again?!

You gotta be kidding.

Whom to be blamed this time? Definitely not DragonBall processor!

why do u need more than 16MB if u can buy a SD card? and in terms of OS5 apps they will be VFS aware.

Twizza,

SD card with VFS does not equal to increased RAM. You are recommended to treat it like floppy disk. As many programs do not support VFS and moving them to card will give you a nasty supprise!

For details of VFS, you may refer to latest issue of Palm Tipsheet 34 - September 2002.

I'd like to see not only MP3 playability, but also an input jack to transfer and record MP3 files from a source other than a PC. An an accessory that would allow AM/FM radio reception would be great. Then I could toss my Walkman.

Usually those "add on tuners" are of abysmally low quality and have terrible reception. I tried, just for kicks, a Gameboy-based radio tuner. It was an atrocity and still cost 20-25 bucks. For that price, you can run down to Radio Shack and get one of those really tiny zippo-lighter sized pocket radios that run on a AAA battery.

I also tried the waaaaay overpriced FM headset for my Motorola cell phone. A nice novelty for sure, but once again, a cheap little Sony or Aiwa can do a far better job. There's no reason (other than pure greed) that you should have to buy a proprietary headset for the Motorola to access the built in tuner. Simply plugging any 1/8 headphone connector into the phone's headset port should activate the radio. Also, you don't have to worry about getting one of those cheap-o units wet/broken/lost etc.

it is stupid to put 2 buttons instead of four.

A total misjudgement of the sophistication of market and an insult to the customers' intelligence.

A total misjudgement of the sophistication of market and an insult to the customers' intelligence.

actually, it is a good juedgement in that people will flock to this device and then Palm will at some point lower the price of the device to where it should have been at release and we [power user types] will still complain that our lil bro/sis/uncle/aunt doesnt have a $100 pda that does what our $500 one does.

Things must have gotten out of hand....What happened ED?

Read this:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=4174&MODE=FLAT#63947

I'm going to miss all those wish lists and the fascinating pro/con comments about Sony.

Does anyone have this cached. I missed the comments and I would really like to see them

Actually, I'd like to see the Cambio story again.

The comment you missed but are looking for goes like this...
Those screaming about "video/audio/color/wireless/ice cream maker/etc." enabled in one pda are lost golf balls in the high weeds of dreamland. OK buy it, BUT after.. - Oops, sorry my battery just died while watching my 10 minute low-resolution mov.. Oops again, my battery died while trying to write this and listen to my MP3 enabled handheld for a few minutes. And the story goes on - DUH HUH, IT'S ALL ABOUT BATTERIES AND A LITTLE THING CALLED "I REALLY NEED MY PDA TO WORK ALL DAY ON A SINGLE CHARGE".

I wonder if Palm has thought of doubling up the battery in the Tungsten. Then it would have double the battery life, I'd assume.

CompUSA.

Nothing found on Compusa. Can you post a link?

I feel the same way. I've been putting off a new PDA purchase in the hope I could get a Palm Smartphone with SD slot and OS 5. Anyone have the inside story?

MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS BROKEN COULD SOMEONE PLEASE HELP....

Take off capslock, please.

I have been waiting for a palm smartphonelike the Treo 270. It's a good stuff, only it does not support memory expansion and not GRPS reasy. Anyone knows when will handspring offer a smartphone with SD expansion slot?

I dont know if you have seen the info on the new Kyocera PDA/Smartphone but it is Palm OS based, has a SD slot and sounds like a great product all around. I hasn't been released yet though. I'm not sure when it is expected but maybe there is something posted on this site

Ditto, ditto, ditto. I agree, I don't need an all in one device. The screen size suffers to much. Why haven't we seen a color 705!

Q - doesn't anybody know the differance in functionability between a 705 or a bluetooth connection between pda and phone.

OK see...I go this rule: only speak when you have something to say that will contribute to the whole discussion. So here is where my point I'll lay that will just make some sense and thats it...at least till another story comes out.

Palm [hardware side] releases devices in a smart, non-consumer pleasing type of way. They are committed to releasing devices that balance good battery life, solid applications, and [sometimes questionable but] good reliablity. For them to release a color i705 with battey technology still not great, good but not great, for a wireless color device, goes somewhat against their philosophy. Sure you have Sony that doesnt really care about battery life except in low-end devices and after the second or third version of a particular product. But they are a consumer driven type of company. They will go to please the consumer faster [more capital toward r&d makes that possible too] than Palm. When Palm releases a device they need to have a good slugging percentage else they will have been bankrupt a long time ago.

A color i705 is probably in the works. Probably not in a OS4 form, but more in the format of a Oslo type device with more wireless ready features for a more mature wireless network. Do we all want it now, sure. But wait, let patience have its perfect work that you will not have to upgrade every year.

In terms of the low cost Zire. It is probably designed to be sold @ $50 before the end of its run. The m100/m105 wasnt. Therefore it is more expensive to produce that device. Rather, Palm would use some of the hardware that is now cheaper because of the broader use of the universal connector and other OS4 specific stuff. The device should be differnt and should 'look' like a cheapy device. But I would like to see Palm develop some consumer accessories for it like the mp3 player and game conrtoller. It would fit within their philosophy.

Thats the end of my long post. I post infrequently and read here a lot. I was always told that a wise man speaks slowly and considers his words. I hope that you all do the same in the rest of your discussions.

Palm is already developing that soon too. Do a search here on PIC and you will find that there are rumors of a i705 replacement that fits the decription of smartphone type device.

From the Palm Bluetooth Stack Qualification "This software is itself based upon the qualified “XTNDAccess Blue SDK” from Extended Systems."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D4C8234D1

Hmmmm, am confused. What does the words "based upon" mean exactly? The XTNDAccess Blue SDK offers much more profiles.....

XTNDAccess Blue SDK 1.2.1 Extended Systems, Inc.
The XTNDAccess Blue SDK (“Blue SDK?, version 1.2.1, is a portable software development kit. It provides source code for a complete Bluetooth Host protocol stack, including L2CAP, RFCOMM, SDP, TCS Binary, RFCOMM, OBEX, and other components such as a Management Entity.

Bluetooth identifier : B00003
Created Date : 2000-08-18
Spec version : 1.0b
PRD version : 0.9
Product ID : BlueSDK v1.2.1
Software Version : 1.2.1
Hardware Version : N.A.
Qualified Product Notice : QPL0002_A.pdf
Reference design application : Blue_SDK_Application_API.pdf
Capability Profile :
- Headset-AG
- Headset-HS
- OPP-Client
- OPP-Server
- DUN-GW
- DUN-DT
- LAN-AP
- LAN-DT
- CT-GW
- CT-Term
- Intercom
- Fax-GW
- GAP
- Serial-DevB
- Fax-DT
- Serial-DevA
- OBEX

Interop Devices : - N.A.

Product Type : Comp-SW-Integrated
List Date : 2000-08-18
Product Contact Person : Mr. Glade Diviney
Email : gladed@extendsys.com
Phone : +1.541.758.6123 x11
Company URL : http://www.extendsystems.com
BQB : Fischer , Kurt

http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2B8324D1

Time will tell.

and WHAT is your point?????????

Integrated Blue-Tooth is good, but not good enough to cover the fatal flaw of the stupid 16M limitation.

Yeh, time will tell.

"and WHAT is your point?????????"

Maybe his point is that he has done his DD and gives us more info "behind the Palm Bluetooth integrated Tungsten" pda? What's wrong with that?

What do you add besides a silly remark like "and what is your point?"?????.......Zero. Nothing.

Add something or add nothing.

The "and WHAT is your point" person didn't phrase it good but I understand his point, please don't put 2000 word comments in. You're alot more interested in this than anyone else is. Put in a link or two for the benefit of anyone else who is interested and leave it at that.

Maybe he did it because people are very lazy and won't check the link?

yes, I do. I have been planing on buying the tungston ever since we had the first article. This is palms first model with bult in blue tooth, Mp3 playback, speaker, voice recording, and a headphone jack, plus a hi res screen (320x320). It may not be sonys first, but this will be THE FIRST hand held running on PALM OS 5 and with a 175 MHZ PROSESOR. This is the revolutianary handheld.
Of cource I plan on buying it. $500 is a great price for something like this!

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PDA Master

I don't see why i should by it if SOny is going for $250, and even Toshiba E310 is going for $250-299 at discount.

It doesn't offer anything compelling at that price. (The buitl in BT doen'st worth that much) I seriously doubt it will be upgradable to OS 6.0 with such low spec.

I'll wait until Tungsten go for $300, or Sony come out with truely high end machine worth $499

Certainly not.

Palm always misjudges the market requirement.

With 16M only for the new OS with a bunch of new add-on multimedia applications, you gotta be kidding, I do not see any serious/power user would be interested.

Of course people will buy it. 3 beginning reasons:
1. It will be handsomely small and built of quality material.
2. Name is "Palm". They have more owners than all other pda company providers combined.
3. They have more owner loyalty than disloyalty due mainly to their comparibly strong reliability.

Is that Palm planning to do? Release it anyway ignoring all the criticism?

Large customer base is not a good reason to abuse the loyalty of customer.

Absolutely. I already have the money set aside for it. Day 1, I'll be there... :-)

Sony s*cks! :-P

i have ben using my M515 and waiting for the next palm release. After i read the features which is not very compelling, and since sony has been providing a 320x320, 16mb , with a cheaper price. I'll won't buy.

Probably handspring might provide a new Treo smartphone, with os 5, sd expansion, 320x320 resolution. That I shall buy.

I'm going to wait to learn more about Sony's and HandEra's OS5 PDAs before I commit.

A NR70V type with OS5 sounds good but the word on the PIC Forums is it will be $700, which is too much for my wallet. I know I don't want one from Sony if it isn't the clamshell shape.

I'm hoping HandEra will put out one with SD and CompactFlash slots.

Tungsten looks OK but I'm more interested in the XScale based one coming early next year from Palm. Don't forget about that one.

I am a Palm loyal customer, I've upgraded each year since 1998.

My only condition for Tungsten it has to have the same Universal Connector as my M515, if not, I'll reconsider.

I think it will be my last PDA.

I think Steven Jobs is right, Smartphones will soon integrate even the more advanced functions of PDA's. I'm tired of carrying two gadgets (plus the TCO). The only thing holding me right now, is still the difference in features ; in one year or two, they'll have the same features + phone capacities and good battery life, then PDA's will become only a niche market as Tablet PC'S.

Absolutely. Right away. When can i buy it?

The Bluetooth Tungsten is mine.