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RE: Great! :]
"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity..."
PalmPaolo
RE: Great! :]
http://www.spug.net/reviews/rnx70v_2.htm
here's a first review of this sony.
RE: Great! :]
RE: Great! :] OUCH!
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RE: Great! :]
cheers
matt
RE: Great! :]
A persistent thread is how all the "hires+" apps that were developed for the NR- series aren't working.
Sony used proprietary graphics extensions for the NR-series and a number of developers updated or created some very cool apps to take advantage of this, BUT it's a developmental dead end. The "hi-res+" apps should really be called "NR-only".
Sony's NX-series uses the new OS5 graphic APIs. Does anyone truly believe that developers aren't going to be updating / creating apps for this device??
It's probably a wise move to wait until there are a few more reviews posted before coming to any conclusions. :-)
RE: Great! :]
Yes, some of the apps don't run properly. But we'll see many developers upgrading their apps for OS 5 and the new NX's. Palm DOESN'T even have a hires+ PDA... Sony had to write a lot of their own software API's and get Palm to endorse some of them.
Would you be using a Palm device today if it weren't for Sony, seriously?
http://www.mactokyo.com/clietokyo
Just what we suspected
Foxer
RE: Just what we suspected
I think that being able to develop drivers is going to depend very much on how much information Sony are willing to provide to other device manufacturers.
Hoepefully, current pressure will mean that "Sony always intended to help others develop drivers" :)
Zuber
RE: Just what we suspected
One ClieTokyo member commented that SanDisk hinted that MemStick was on the way out. Did anyone else pick up on that?
Cheers
Matt
This is amazing.
Particularly at the prices they charge.
First they include Hi-resolution screens, and can't be bothered to patch the included software to use them. Then this. What next, they don't include an operating system?
If a third party writes drivers for the CF slot, you'll be lucky if Sony dosen't sue them into oblivion.
RE: Just what we suspected
Just my 2 cents.
RE: Just what we suspected
IBM microdrive
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RE: IBM microdrive
RE: IBM microdrive
I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.
RE: IBM microdrive
I use a 64MB CF card (twice a day swaped with a CF 56k Modem) on Handera and the battery last for a week, at least.
my 0.02€
RE: IBM microdrive
It would be nice to see 3rd parties come out and make viable battery solutions for the NR series. I'd LOVE to see someone make a 2400 ma battery which comes with it's own backplate which can replace the original one. It would take about 10 min. to open the unit, unplug the batttery, plug in the new battery and reassemble.
RE: IBM microdrive
What would be interesting is if someone came out with software that could change the clockspeed of the processor depending on the application. Reducing the clockspeed could have a big effect on the battery life, and some of the basic apps don't need 200Mhz.
Zuber
RE: IBM microdrive
Go check it out!
Memory Stick Sales
-mike-
Are you Proactive .... Or Reactive?
Geeze, Ryan...
-JWH
RE: Geeze, Ryan...
RE: Geeze, Ryan...
I'm still not sure what effect this will have. i.e. Will we actually see lots of devices with drivers for the Clie. Hope so, but not sure yet.
Zuber
RE: Geeze, Ryan...
You know they can do it, but it may not be in their interest to do it.
RE: Geeze, Ryan...
You are wrong. We did not know that the CF - slt that Sony calls a 'wireless' slot - had the capability to support true CF accessories beyond Sony' wi-fi card. They explicitly stated that it was only for this purpose and - although there was speculation here on PIC that it **might** be able to be used for standard CF if drivers were written AND if it contained all the pins of a CF slot. So - we did know. perhaps you just want to complain - but this is important to anybody thinking about plunking down $600 bucks on an NX series device - we want to know what the deal is with the CF slot. So we get an anwser to an obvious technical question - and this bothers you for some reason???!? I don't understand.....
RE: Geeze, Ryan...
This whole idea of pushing some kind of "lead story" to the top is BAD, since it causes people to not see other new news items.
RE: Geeze, Ryan...
> anybody thinking about plunking down $600 bucks on an NX series device -
> we want to know what the deal is with the CF slot.
Anyone who bases their purchase of an NX series device on this "story" would be an idiot. It tells you nothing more than you knew a week ago. I have plenty of hardware lying around that could do this, that or the other thing if somebody wrote driver X, Y or Z to prove it.
The fact that this story might somehow influence your decision to buy an NX series device only makes my point all the more clear. When there actually are drivers for this device, then that would be a "lead story".
RE: Geeze, Ryan...
Just like the brightness function for the m505 - that deserves a lead story and is news. Well, so does this. :)
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RE: Geeze, Ryan...
>return of the "Lead Story" being anchored at the
>top... to serve the mere 5% of Palminfocenter readers
>that prefer it!
>
>-JWH
Where do you get 5% from? If the Discussion Forum is anything to go by an overwhelming number of PIC readers want to hear (and discus) Sony products and issues.
>After some more thought about this, there is no way
>that what some Sony boob at McDonalds said might be >possible should be a "lead story" over the DataViz >and AlphaSmart stories.
>This whole idea of pushing some kind of "lead story" >to the top is BAD, since it causes people to not see >other new news items.
Knowing the culture there is no doubt that this type of Sony roadshow would have been staffed by more than just a 'boob' or two.
Since when did PIC push "lead stories" as opposed to just putting them in date order? I think this is just nit picking, then again if scrolling down a page to scan articles for interest is too difficult . . .
cheers
matt
RE: Geeze, Ryan...
That would make it more clear that it is "floating above" the other stories; otherwise, a quick glance at the first story confuses me into thinking that no new stories have been posted, even though new stories have appeared below the lead.
My two cents.
except...
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Zuber
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sounds iffy
RE: sounds iffy
It strikes me as funny that Sony chose to put CF (regardless of whether or not it's a proprietary form of CF) on the new Clies at all. Ever since they launched the first Mavica digicam back in 1996 or so, they've never marketed a product that used CF per se. Everything Sony has ever put on the market has used either PCMCIA flash cards, non expandable internal memory, floppy disks, memory sticks, or CD-Rs. They could have saved some room and just had 2 Memory Stick ports on the new Clie NX series...or done like the new Konica camera and had memory stick AND SD slots.
I really doubt the validity of this rumor at all, and the added bulk from the CF slot certainly won't persuade me to buy an NX series model, unless the it's marked down drastically.
RE: sounds iffy
Just one problem with that - there is no 802.11 on SD or MS. CF format is no problem to engineer a wi-fi card for this format. So far, all we have in SD are reference designs or protoypes. No indication that anybody is doing 802.11 for MS.
RE: sounds iffy
Like I mentioned in the article, "so that if the manufacturers create a driver for their respective memory CF cards, we should be able to use those 256MB and 512MB memory CF cards..." Only a possibility here, not a definite yes. I'm not a hardware engineer so I don't even know if you actually need a drive. But some API somewhere has to support the CF slot. The CF slot is now supported for Communication CF cards, not just the Sony WiFi card. I use the PHS 64K wireless card, the AirH 64K card, and a standard line 56K modem with the NX70V slot with no problems.
So, maybe if a manufacturer or third party creates a "driver" for a Bluetooth CF card or another WiFi card, we may be able to use those too!
http://www.mactokyo.com/clietokyo
Sony's loss of face
RE: Sony's loss of face
RE: McDonald's
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What you ought to know is that sold along with these NXs are a few CF modem cards 64K and 128K that allow you to check you emails and surf from anywhere in japan and they work with the NX series.
Any hope for further Memory Stick developments at all?
we saw a few weeks ago that Toshiba demo'd a smaller Bluetooth SD card that wouldn't protrude so much. They said it'd be available within a few months.
Has Sony shows any prototype designs for a smaller BT MemoryStick? They've had a lot longer to plug away at Memory Stick capacities and IO devices than Toshiba and Panasonic have had for SD. Or are Sony reallly largely abandoning MS in favor of the MS-Duo and integrated BT/WI-FI chipsets?
RE: Any hope for further Memory Stick developments at all?
I was the one who talked to the SanDisk last week at World PC Expo here in Tokyo and he said they have NO plans for a 256MB let alone a 512MB or 1GB MS for this year and the early part of next year.
Only 50-60 companies creating products with MS versus over 300 for SD...
I'd love to see a CLIE with two MS slots, one for the GPS MS and one for large maps, or BT and memory. And Bluetooth is possible in a smaller package. But I'm not convinced to spend over $150 on a card that links data to my phone or laptop when I can do that by taking a few extra steps...
http://www.mactokyo.com/clietokyo
Don't you guys get it??
....and now with the CF slot....EVEN WORSE!!
RE: Don't you guys get it??
By offering CF slot also help to attract more customer who already has CF memory cards or wireless or others (provided new drivers are to be available soon. SD and XD cards are not that cheap neither. So if anyone has CF card already SONY may be the best bet.
Comparing to IPAQ, SONY is better, IPAQ need CF jacket or PCMCIA jacket, which add bulk to the already bulky IPAQ body.
Yes Tungsten T is smaller, so is the screen as well. If you want the video, camera, and MP3, you will need the extra bits, I reckon by the time you match the SONY functions on Tungsten T you will find SONY is far more attractive and easy to handle than the rest.
Would you like to carry snap on pieces on the move? I wont.
So think about it, SONY has done a great job.
If you are so obsess with small thing, try the Tungsten T or baby Clie. NX70V or NX60 are not for the kiddies......
Long live SONY......Keep it up.....Hope next year SONY will sport a 400MHz or higher model, inc, Bluetooth and wireless on board.
RE:Sounds Iffy
I do have a question about your statement:
"The CF slot is now supported for Communication CF cards, not just the Sony WiFi card. I use the PHS 64K wireless card, the AirH 64K card, and a standard line 56K modem with the NX70V slot with no problems."
That is very interesting because I have TWO CF cards, one a 10mb ethernet and the other a 56K modem and while the Clie, beeps, when I insert or remove them, I cannot figure out any way to configure then for usage under the, Preferences->Connection app.
How did you manage to setup your devices for use with the NX70V?
TIA
Kerry
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Great! :]
Look just to the possibilities: Faster speed, digital camera compatibility...
If it's true, nice move Sony... :]