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UPDATE: with picture The next generation Treo was just shown and on display at a recent Sprint PCS Business conference in Dallas. Early details show that the Treo 600 runs Palm OS 5 and includes and ARM processor, Camera, SD slot, a thumboard and a smaller design.
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Awesome news!! I can't wait to get this new Treo!

gfunkmagic @ 6/3/2003 12:52:59 PM #
This is super news for those anxious Treo users who've been waiting forever for new smartphone! I think this is going a very competitive and attrative device especially when compared to other PalmOS Smartphones. The only other OS 5.x device out there on the horizon is the SGH-i500. The major differences will be that the SGH-i500 probably will have an even smaller screen than the Treo 600! Also, while the new Treo won't have a replaceable battery, the one it has is HUGE! The SGH will have a rechargeable 1100mAh battery while the Treo 600 will supposedly have either a 1600 or 1800 mAh which will be even larger than on the Tungsten C! That definitely going to be a major upgrade over the current Treos. Also, you just can't overlook the unlimited data plans from SprintPCS!

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RE: Awesome news!! I can't wait to get this new Treo!
skytraveler @ 6/4/2003 1:05:32 AM #
I agree with you on the screen size. I was very interested in the SGH-i500, but was concerned about screen size. I want portability, but not something I have to squint at. This model is definitely on the top of my wish list! I didn't even care about a camera, but its a bonus!

The SkyTraveler
RE: Awesome news!! I can't wait to get this new Treo!
Fly-By-Night @ 6/5/2003 5:35:30 AM #
Head over to Infosync to get a sneak peek at the new Treo:

http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/3659.html

Not sure what the funny sticky out thing at the top is -- my SE T610 doesn't have one (and neither does the P800)!

FBN

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RE: Awesome news!! I can't wait to get this new Treo!
rsc1000 @ 6/5/2003 1:32:22 PM #
>>The major differences will be that the SGH-i500 probably will have an even smaller screen than the Treo 600!

The 600s screen looks pretty small in that photo - why do you think the SGH-i500 is smaller?

Um. Bluetooth?

jack @ 6/3/2003 1:28:46 PM #
I may have missed it, and it's all very preliminary, but, is it there? It is soooo useful.

RE: Um. Bluetooth?
RhinoSteve @ 6/3/2003 3:30:48 PM #
My guess Bluetooth will go like this...

Handspring Marketing: Here is the Treo 600!
Customer: Where is Bluetooth connection?
Handspring Marketing: Hmmmm ... there is the Palm SDIO Bluetooth card
Handspring Engineering: Dammit! Why did you say that?? We didn't do the Bluetooth drivers yet!!
Handspring Marketing: Well we need it.
Handspring Engineering: You didn't say that six months ago when you wanted us to put in support for the camera over Bluetooth.
Handspring Marketing: Well we need it now since the customers say so.
Handspring Engineering:
Customer: Hmmm ... what other smartphones have Bluetooth?
Handspring Management: Are we still cool?

RE: Um. Bluetooth?
gfunkmagic @ 6/3/2003 3:55:27 PM #
Quote: "..what other smartphones have Bluetooth?"

How about the SE P800, Nokia 3650 etc?...

Anyway, it's still not determined whether the Treo 600 will have integrated BT. My gut tells me probably not though...


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RE: Um. Bluetooth?
ganoe @ 6/3/2003 9:16:56 PM #
Handspring Management: Bluetooth!?! Then they'd be able to connect this phone to the Internet without paying us for it. No way.
RE: Um. Bluetooth?
rowlandcutler @ 6/4/2003 8:22:33 AM #
What about 802.11b? Proper Wifi, none of the personal area network stuff is the way we should go, then it makes the handheld a proper network device.

RE: Um. Bluetooth?
simond @ 6/4/2003 10:35:52 AM #
Bluetooth isn't vital in a palm phone IMHO as for most people the main use is to connect to their phone, what I would very much like to see would be a PalmOS phone with built in WiFi, that'd be excellent :)

RE: Um. Bluetooth?
ganoe @ 6/5/2003 2:05:55 PM #
> Bluetooth isn't vital in a palm phone IMHO

Uh let's see:
1. Bluetooth would allow you to connect your laptop to the Internet through your phone.
2. Bluetooth would allow you to connect to printers from your phone.
3. Bluetooth would allow you to access the Internet wirelessly without using some kind of service plan and/or indoors where phone service is crappy, plus at higher bitrates.
4. Share stuff wirelessly with your friend's Bluetooth PDA, phone, etc.

Come one people! Bluetooth is exactly the thing that would make a Palm OS phone more than just a phone.

RE: Um. Bluetooth?
sandys @ 6/10/2003 9:34:45 AM #
I recently switched to a P800 from my Treo 180 as the apps I use had equivalents on the P800 and I have to say that Bluetooth is bloody brilliant, I have a bluetooth handsfree car kit in my motor, no need to take the phone out of the case/pocket etc just get in the car switch it on P800 connects to car with no interaction and I can make recieve calls, also the kit will handle 3 phones so my GF can get in the motor and also use the handsfree with her phone, all good stuff. I would certainly be looking for it on any future device especially here in the UK where the are tightening up the laws on phone usage in your car.

Zire71 purchase

M3wThr33 @ 6/3/2003 1:40:47 PM #
Hmm... I want to see how this turns out. I got the Zire71 because the option of Zire71+PHONE worked better than the Kyocera7135 since I needed one for SprintPCS. If this turns out better than it, I may just have to find some way to pawn it off...

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.
RE: Zire71 purchase
jthanpalminfo @ 6/3/2003 4:07:02 PM #
For the moment I am happy to have a phone and palm in seperate boxes. I can carry both easily and the death of one doesn't mean the death of the other. (I note that the phone gets much worse abuse than the palm.) In addition, it was way cheaper to buy the two seperately rather than buy a "communicator."


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RE: Zire71 purchase
Altema @ 6/5/2003 11:49:35 AM #
"For the moment I am happy to have a phone and palm in seperate boxes. I can carry both easily and the death of one doesn't mean the death of the other. (I note that the phone gets much worse abuse than the palm.) In addition, it was way cheaper to buy the two seperately rather than buy a "communicator." "

I'm with you on that. If my phone dies, I can stick a couple of quarters in a payphone and get by. If my Palm dies, I would have to adjust my my workstyle, drag around a laptop, etc...

Bringing hamsters to a dogfight....

sandbuck @ 6/3/2003 1:57:24 PM #
There are three or four Palm OS smart phones out with similar specs. How is Handsprint going to fare against manufacturers that are producing a very similar product? Smsung and Kyocera would grind these guys into a fine paste if a price war breaks out.

What are you talking about?
gfunkmagic @ 6/3/2003 2:22:55 PM #
The only other PalmOS 5.x smartphone even on the horizon is the SGH-i500. Furthermore, that smartphone is scheduled for release sometime the Q3 of 2003 at the EARLIEST!! In fact, I would be very suprised is Samsung released the SGH in 2003 at all considering how long it took them to get the SPH-i500 to market (in fact even the SPH hasn't been released yet!) *sigh*

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RE: Bringing hamsters to a dogfight....
Death @ 6/3/2003 2:44:28 PM #
WOTS GOIN ON?????????????
RE: Bringing hamsters to a dogfight....
iJITSU @ 6/3/2003 2:57:02 PM #
Yes, the current Palm OS smartphone offerings are outdated technology running OS4.1, so I'd say the Treo 600 is MUCH different that what's out there. Personally, I think the design of the Kyo 7135 is great but the phone is buggy. Can't wait for Kyo's next offering. Supposedly it wil have the Opera browser and I'm assuming it will be running OS5 or 6, but considering the 7135 just hit the market it'll be a long time before we see anything new. The Samsung SGH I500 looks VERY nice as well.

RE: Bringing hamsters to a dogfight....
sandbuck @ 6/3/2003 3:10:21 PM #
I should have said 3 or 4 have been ANNOUNCED, sorry. However, I'm still trying to figure out how HS is going to survive in this market long term.

RE: Bringing hamsters to a dogfight....
gfunkmagic @ 6/3/2003 3:21:31 PM #
Quote: "I should have said 3 or 4 have been ANNOUNCED, sorry. However, I'm still trying to figure out how HS is going to survive in this market long term."

WRONG AGAIN!! Please tell me what other 3 or 4 PalmOS 5.x smartphones have been announced?!! Like I said before, the ONLY other os 5.x smartphone on the horizon besides the Treo 600 is the SGH-i500 period! Every other device known of like the Kyocera 7135, Samsung SPH-i330, Tungsten W, GSPDA Zircon, GSPDA Onynx, and etc are all OS 4.1 or earlier! The only exception is the Weblink H500 which uses the Huntec Relfex technology and thus is not capable of voice (thus nullifying it). Try to get your facts straight!

Secondly, Handspring no longer sells its products directly to consumers! Its success will be predicated upon the relationship it has developed with various cellular providers. So far it has become a Tier 1 level partner with SprintPCS and Orange and will maintain at least a Tier 2 level partnership with T-mobile AFAIK! Thus the pricing, extent of susidization, and sale of these Treos will be determined NOT by Handspring but by the cellular providers themselves. Ultimately, the success of these products won't depend soley upon the lowest price but on which providers will support which smartphones, which will work best with which network, which can generate the best new revenue streams, and etc...

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Out on a limb
rsc1000 @ 6/3/2003 5:11:39 PM #
Im going to go out on a limb and predict that the biggest competition that the Treo 600 will face in the category of OS 5 smartphone, will be from PalmSG. As was stated above, Samsung hasn't even released the OS 4 based SPH 500, and Kyocera finally just released the 7135 (again, OS 4.1). Palm has a better track-record with releasing devices shortly after they are announced. The Tungsten W was widely regarded as a good step forward for Palm - but roundly criticized for being OS 4 and having no built-in mic/speaker for the phone side of things. Im betting they release an OS 5 version w/built-in mic & speaker very soon (before Samsung or Kyocera). Yes - Samsung and Kyocera will **eventually** release better OS 5 devices - but the keyword is is 'eventually'. Maybe its a difference in the way things work in the telco industry versus the PDA industry, but the fact is that Samsung and Kyocera are incredibly slow at bringing products to market.

RE: Bringing hamsters to a dogfight....
sandbuck @ 6/3/2003 7:57:33 PM #
>>WRONG AGAIN!!

Well, you got me again. :) Let me express my point in more general terms. I don't believe that the typical (non PIC) consumer differentiates beyond PPC phone and Palm OS phone. Before long there will be so many Palm OS phones out there that HS will get lost in the background noise. Barely another face in the crowd.

RE: Bringing hamsters to a dogfight....
blueBlade @ 6/3/2003 8:31:26 PM #
of course you are assuming each company has same marketing budget and doesn't know how to differentiate new product.

RE: Bringing hamsters to a dogfight....
mjt13xx @ 6/4/2003 9:06:29 AM #
I doubt Handspring will face much competition from Palm Solutions Group considering they are going to merge with them this fall

RE: Bringing hamsters to a dogfight....
rsc1000 @ 6/5/2003 4:31:46 PM #
>>I doubt Handspring will face much competition from Palm Solutions Group considering they are going to merge with them this fall

if you look at my post above (which says this) you'll notice it was posted before yesterdays announcement. But yr right - that throws that idea completely out the window.

Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...

helf @ 6/3/2003 2:57:01 PM #
WTF is wrong with companies. They seem to think ALL pdas/phones/personal electronic devices need camera's. Next thing you will know the 3rd gba will come out with a built in camera.. (yes, I know theres a cam for the older gameboys..)

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
palmmongrel @ 6/3/2003 3:00:43 PM #
What's wrong with people who post crap... everyone seems to think that as soon as you put an "s" on something, it gets a friggin' apostrophe.

"Cameras" = more than one camera. Plural.
"Camera's" = something belonging to the camera. Possesive.

For f's sake, I wish people would figure this out, or go back to 4th grade.

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
helf @ 6/3/2003 3:14:20 PM #
woops....

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
killah fury @ 6/3/2003 3:16:18 PM #
blimey palmmongrel, calm down... it doesn't really matter that much does it?

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
Silverado @ 6/3/2003 3:19:19 PM #
I believe the push for cameras is from the carriers. They want users to transmit pictures so that they'd pay more for data useage. That's why there is this huge ad campaign by most major carriers trying to create this new paradigm of use and convince us that it is very cool.
RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
hoodoo @ 6/3/2003 3:52:15 PM #
"blimey palmmongrel, calm down... it doesn't really matter that much does it?"

In fact it matters GREATLY, IMO. Writing is a form of communication and misuse of punctuation can confuse matters to no end.

i.e its vs. it's

its = possessive
it's = it is

For example: "it's". It's used incorrectly constantly on this site and it's nuts! Its use must be learned correctly! :)


RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
Token User @ 6/3/2003 4:17:35 PM #
Being equally anal (as an illustration as how absurd this part of the thread has become) ...

> i.e its vs. it's

Should be ...

i.e. its vs. it's

Does posting on the internet spell the death of the English language as it is (it's) written?

Possibly ... but blame Gutenberg - he put printed media within reach of the common man. It has been a downhill slide since then 8^)

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
rogerkang @ 6/3/2003 4:34:31 PM #
Well, then I guess if you want to be picky....you should have had the period INSIDE the quotes in your above post...

:)

For example: "it's."

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
lobotomic @ 6/3/2003 6:50:39 PM #
> In fact it matters GREATLY, IMO. Writing is a form of
> communication and misuse of punctuation can confuse
> matters to no end.
>
> i.e its vs. it's
>
> its = possessive
> it's = it is

Dust up your language before insulting others. Writing is a form of communication, and *its* misuse can confuse matters to no end.

e.g i.e. vs. e.g

i.e = "which means"
e.g = "for example"

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
Edward Green @ 6/3/2003 9:18:11 PM #
Punctuation and spelling are modernist constructs open to deconstruction through practice and experience.

They are enforced by those with power, with violence, on those who have none.

Unless you care to outnarrate me?

Edward Green
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http://www.khite.co.uk

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
ActionJackson @ 6/3/2003 11:17:43 PM #
> For f's sake, I wish people would figure this out, or go back to 4th grade.

Palmmongrel, I wish you would figure out that including the second comma in the above sentence (between the words "out" and "or") is grammatically incorrect. Back in the 4th grade, I learned that this sort of punctuation mistake is called a comma splice (a GRIEVOUS SIN that all good writers loathe to commit).

Let he who has never made a punctuation error in a post cast the first stone. :)

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
drw @ 6/3/2003 11:40:32 PM #
youz ppl be's too overly critical of us illiterates :)

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RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
robrecht @ 6/4/2003 5:30:18 AM #
From Gutenberg to Sprint to Karl Marx via 4th grade grammar ... that's what I like about this site. Note that the Gutenberg bible did not have a built in camera and it sold just fine, er, very well.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
hoodoo @ 6/4/2003 8:42:13 AM #
***Dust up your language before insulting others. Writing is a form of communication, and *its* misuse can confuse matters to no end.

e.g i.e. vs. e.g

i.e = "which means"
e.g = "for example"
***

I sit here at my desk corrected! Thanks for pointing that out. Oops on my part. Cheers. :)


RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
robrecht @ 6/4/2003 8:56:00 AM #
Actually, hoodoo, your subconscious might have been attempting a rather clever word play on the original nonabbreviated Latin meaning of "id est," namely, "it's its not it's."

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
hoodoo @ 6/4/2003 9:16:44 AM #
lol.



RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
TinMan @ 6/4/2003 12:16:04 PM #
> i.e = "which means"
> e.g = "for example"

I was tought that i.e. (with the trailing period ^_^) means "as in."

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
TinMan @ 6/4/2003 12:16:04 PM #
> i.e = "which means"
> e.g = "for example"

I was tought that i.e. (with the trailing period ^_^) means "as in."

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
M3wThr33 @ 6/4/2003 3:34:18 PM #
BACK to the camera, I own a Casio WQV-3 Digital Camera Watch. With that, I could snap something trivial, beam it to the PC or Palm(And PPC *ugh*), edit it a little and send it back. It was cool enough for me.
On the Zire71, the camera is great. The resolution is MORE than enough for webcam shots, the clarity and brightness work well, and in time I'll be able to snap something and send it wirelessly to a friend. In that same vein I could just use an SD-enabled camera, but it doesn't have that cool sliding factor.

It is all about the cool.

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. We're in space.

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
helf @ 6/4/2003 4:38:38 PM #
Apparently it is :) I have to agree with you tho. The cam on the zire71 is pretty good.

RE: Jeez.. ANOTHER camera...
jjsoh @ 6/4/2003 6:08:03 PM #
This is not English Infocenter, people. Let's try and keep the thread on-topic.

Are that okay you's grammer and speling police with? ^^

Jim

http:// ???

HeavyUser @ 6/3/2003 5:03:01 PM #
pictures!! we need pictures!!

RE: http:// ???
Kesh @ 6/3/2003 9:45:45 PM #
There are none, and according to those attending the conference, won't be any. Handspring does not want pictures taken of the phone, which means any sneaky-peek photos that make it to the web will be quickly hit with a message from HS's lawyers.

RE: http:// ???
drw @ 6/3/2003 11:41:50 PM #
Umm, does it have a weak flimsy flip that's been well documented to break off for no reason other than opening/closing during normal use?

Is there a single database app which is treo aware such that when cursor is in a field of integer/real it will default to numbers so one doesn't have to CONSTANTLY double tap the blue button to enter numerical data?

Will it have a voice recorder, mp3 player?

What mhz ARM? 166 is old news, I want the 400 mhz tungten C (not W, i mean C) and I may not wait for an OS5 smartphone.

Any independant verification of sunlight viewing? When walking my dog, reading the treo screen is impossible, whereas I used to enjoy reading avantgo on a Palm IIIe while in the sunlight.

Would it be presumptuous to assume that it will have a 320x320 screen?

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David

RE: http:// ???
gfunkmagic @ 6/4/2003 4:01:32 AM #
They're no pics yet but Scott Raulinaitis from goodthatway.com has made some pretty nice mock-up pics for comparison. Check them out here:

http://discussion.treocentral.com/tcforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=222175#post222175

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-Pablo Picasso.

RE: http:// ???
guoleke @ 6/4/2003 6:02:12 AM #
> Would it be presumptuous to assume
> that it will have a 320x320 screen?

according to the Treocentral postings and sketch, it's "160*160 brighter pixels closer togehter because of slightly smaller screen size trust me it looks good"

Yv



Yv

RE: http:// ???
robrecht @ 6/4/2003 6:02:37 AM #
"Would it be presumptuous to assume that it will have a 320x320 screen?"

I too would have presumed that an OS5 device in 2003 would be 320x320, but reports are that it is 160x160.


Thanks, robrecht

RE: http:// ???
i_strad @ 6/4/2003 9:06:42 AM #
jast one small question:
in palms home page there is a pic of Jeff Hawkins, which device is he holding ?



RE: http:// ???
mikecane @ 6/4/2003 9:50:19 AM #
>>jast one small question:
in palms home page there is a pic of Jeff Hawkins, which device is he holding ?

That looks like a Tungsten T to me.

Hmmm... I just enlarged it. Now I'm not so sure. What IS that?!

RE: http:// ???
KRamsauer @ 6/4/2003 10:14:23 AM #
It's the new Treo, in my opinion.

RE: http:// ???
mikecane @ 6/4/2003 10:23:52 AM #
Well, that's what TreoCentral is saying too:

http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/229-1.htm

-- doesn't look like the sketches, is what I say. But the sketches are probably wrong.

RE: http:// ???
robrecht @ 6/4/2003 10:33:13 AM #
Looks cool enough. I especially like the supplemental USB battery even though it has a large battery to begin with (t.p.). If only it were 320x320 (I know, I know it's a small screen). The other important consideration, for those of us who spend most of their time in the US, is the length of the exclusive agreement with Sprint. Although I like Sprint's data plan, Verizon has the the best CDMA coverage in many areas of the US.

Thanks, robrecht
Jeff and the pic
nrosser @ 6/4/2003 10:37:09 AM #
I'm the guy who first saw the new treo at the Sprint conference, and that IS indeed the new treo600 that Jeff is holding. I held it at the Sprint conference - take it from me; it's the same device.

RE: http:// ???
mikecane @ 6/4/2003 10:48:52 AM #
Did you like it? Don't you think the 160x160 screen will hurt sales? Or does such a screen not matter in the phone market? Is the screen readable outdoors this time? That would have to be important in *any* market!

RE: http:// ???
vcs @ 6/4/2003 1:31:31 PM #
Here's an actual photo of the new treo, but don't be disappointed... ;-)

http://prn.newscom.com/cgi-bin/members/thumb/wmark?doc=PRN/prnphotos/docs/033/285&size=512

RE: http:// ???
vcs @ 6/4/2003 1:35:17 PM #
Sorry folks, I missed the 2nd page of comments before I sent the post.
New Treo picture -- large!
mikecane @ 6/4/2003 1:40:37 PM #
TreoCentral has gotten the official hires pic and enlarged Hawkins's hand. Go see the new Treo!

http://tinyurl.com/dg3g

RE: http:// ???
Scott R @ 6/5/2003 12:51:31 AM #
RE: http:// ???
Yao @ 6/6/2003 11:52:56 PM #
Well guys first this treo 600 is going to be called the duo and it has acamera with a "320*320" Screen resolution it is not going to have a 160 by 160 just wanna let u guys Know oh and is going to be a cdma with gsm/gprs phone its not sprints phone.

Palm Announces Acquisition of Handspring to Bolster Industr

asiayeah @ 6/4/2003 8:27:44 AM #
MILPITAS, Calif. and MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., June 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The boards of directors of Palm, Inc. (Nasdaq: PALM) and Handspring, Inc. (Nasdaq: HAND), a leading maker of Palm OS(R) smartphones, today announced that they each have unanimously approved a definitive agreement for Palm to acquire Handspring to form a new, stronger market leader in mobile computing and communications. The Palm board also gave final approval for the spin-off of PalmSource, Inc.

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With great power comes great responsiblity.
They will be welcomed with bullets and shoes!
mikecane @ 6/4/2003 8:33:54 AM #
And I said it first!!

http://palminfocenter.com/print.asp?ID=4641

PalmInfocenter.com
Opinion: Mike Cane's 2003 Palm OS Predictions
Posted by: Ryan on Monday, December 30, 2002 10:52:04
AM

1) Palm SG Acquires Handspring
HandEra disappearing from the shelves is one thing. To
have the sequel company of Palm Computing founder Jeff
Hawkins go under is just catastrophic PR. The merger
will be papered over with Hawkins wanting to retire to
do brain research and the Big Lie that Palm SG will
gain knowledge and experience from Handspring's
Communicator efforts. Palm SG will continue to use the
Handspring name as a brand for wireless devices. (And,
no, they will not bring back the Springboard -- get
over it!) The acquisition will be a stock swap with no
cash changing hands.


They Will Be Welcomed With Bullets and Shoes!
mikecane @ 6/4/2003 8:55:50 AM #
RE: Palm Announces Acquisition of Handspring to Bolster Industr
robrecht @ 6/4/2003 9:06:40 AM #
Bullets and shoes! Mike, you are funny.

Thanks, robrecht
RE: Palm Announces Acquisition of Handspring to Bolster Industr
mikecane @ 6/4/2003 9:17:08 AM #
Oh, that's the great line from the Iraqi Information Minister. It just cracks me up and I'll probably keep using it until I'm sick of it. But I can't help it. I just laugh every time I read it or write it.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com

Palm acquires Handspring

StatCoder.com @ 6/4/2003 9:01:30 AM #
Palm just acquired Handspring.

RE: Palm acquires Handspring
mikecane @ 6/4/2003 9:18:36 AM #
You're a bit late, lad. Join the discussion above!

Palm Handspring conference call

hoodoo @ 6/4/2003 9:37:33 AM #

Palm to Buy Handspring in Stock Swap!!!!

gidora @ 6/4/2003 10:58:29 AM #
RE: Palm to Buy Handspring in Stock Swap!!!!
mikecane @ 6/4/2003 11:24:51 AM #
Well, like, DUUUHH. Did you bother to look at the messages above?

We're already onto next year's lead Prediction:

1) Sony Buys PalmSpring

Please please please make it a tri-band GSM/GPRS

maheshmurthy @ 6/4/2003 3:16:43 PM #
I love the Treo. But live in India where there are two networks - 900 / 1800, and travel often to the US where there's a third: 1900.

The treo 270 was in two flavors: 900 + 1900 or 1800 + 1900. So I had to cart around two of the babies, depending on where in India or the world I was travelling. Counter-syncing and all. Humongous pain.

Go on, please please pretty please make it Tri-band (and no - the rest of the world doesn't care about CDMA - I mean 800 + 1800 + 1900). And, of course, get a good GPRS radio into it - learn from the guys in the next cube who did the Tungsten W.

And for heck's sake - please DON'T lock it to a carrier. Sell unlocked models - that's the way the rest of the world works.

Good luck till then!



RE: Please please please make it a tri-band GSM/GPRS
kev @ 6/6/2003 4:59:47 AM #
being non-us (thus in the umbrella of "rest of world") i am completely lost as to what you mean by "unlocked".

on most european networks (irish, english, french at least) you buy a handset and its locked to the network. they lock to the network quite often for the duration of your minimum contract in return for the subsidy they give you.

the word on the street about handspring was that they were targetting networks instead of consumers - this way we consumers get cheap treos!

-kev

RE: Please please please make it a tri-band GSM/GPRS
maheshmurthy @ 6/8/2003 11:45:48 PM #
Well, I learnt the word 'locked' when I saw phones with SIM cards in the US that were 'locked' to the phone and hence were not portable across carriers.

In India - also in Hong Kong, China and many other countries, the phone is sold completely separate from the service. The phone is 'unlocked' - meaning if you shift from carrier A to carrier B, or even just want to lend your phone to a friend, you simply pop out the SIM card, and pop in another, and you're on.

It doesn't necessarily increase the price of the phone: it simply frees you - you decide on the right handset for you from a range of manufacturers and models - upgrade the phone at whatever time during the contract, using the same SIM card, and you're not affected at all. Today you can get handsets from $80 all the way up to $600 - it's your choice - all this without being subsidised by any carrier and forced into marriage with them.

This practice of 'locking' is heinous. I can see how it forces you to stick with one carrier and one phone for the duration of the contract.

I really hope it doesn't become standard operating procedure the world over.

Treo 600 - really!

dallasdj @ 6/12/2003 12:07:03 AM #
I was at the Sprint conf in Dallas and was able to play with the Treo 600 (and the Samsung i500). The 600 has some real OS improvements to the 300 version. It has a battery with 4 hour talk time and a plugin battery (uses sync slot) that adds another 5 hours of talk time. It has 2 speakers, 32M, 133 ARM processor and a great screen! It looks very much like the Tungsten W (or the "C" without the antenna nub). Like the "C", it has been optimized to use less power than the 300. Compared to the i500, it has an edge. This will be a very competitive device. It will be "announced" September and Sprint will release in October. I am excited and plan to trade in my 300!

handspring sneek peak of the treo 600

screwtinize @ 6/17/2003 10:55:27 PM #
Just in tonite on their website, video of the treo 600

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