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You've got to give em' credit they held on the Palm name without drastic change, spruced up the colors scheme and even kept the font style recognizeable. I can't see any change actually helping PSG, but this one gave change with minimum pain and looks attractive. Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com 
 Awful Name
Argh... what an awful name. PalmSpring would have been better than this. Truly a sad turn. RIP Palm, we'll surely miss you. RE: Awful Name
I didn't even catch that the "p" in palmOne is lowercase. That's even worse than than I thought before. RE: Awful Name
Was it even necessary for them to have changed their name? I mean PALM was a well known name. Heck..I mean there are people still calling them Palm Pilot... They Should of done what HP did when they bought out Compaq.. and kept the name iPaq because it was already successful. I personally didn't see a need for Palm to make a change, it will only confuse people more and hurt there name. RE: Awful Name
Ezra, PSG was forced to make a change based on the spinoff of PalmSource. One of the two seperate companies had to own the original Palm name. The split was designed "early on" in order to appeal to future OS partners. One company producing hardware and the inherent OS, puts the "outside" companies at a development disdvantage (see MSFT vs every other software company on earth). Had Apple done this earlier on, we possibly might not know the joys of blue-screens & clicking the "Start" button to stop our PCs. But, who knows? Also, "pilot" is certainly still the lingo, even sometimes for PPCs. But, Pilot Pen Company $lammed Palm in court for infringement years ago for and it's never to return. More news on the change ... http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030818/sfm039_1.html http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030817/tech_palm_1.html
RE: Awful Name
cumon guys...its not that bad ive been a palm user forever...i have to admit..ive been used to the palm name. but this new name aint that bad. maybe its gonna grow on us. RE: Awful Name
I don't like the name neither. Will change it to "palmOne" be any less confusing than just "Palm"? Well, I guess at least they changed the colour and logos. I guess PalmSource gets ownership of Palm.com and the Palm logo and trademark? I wished they would've gone with something completely different. Verizon was successful in their rebranding and so was T-Mobile. Of course, it's hard to give up a marketting freebie like "Palm". So I guess that word had to be in the name one way or another. RE: Awful NameGabriel Morales @ 8/18/2003 5:51:55 AM #
Kevin Crossman? Are you the English teacher Kevin Crossman? ... In any case, I don't think it's such a bad name. Read my comments below. RE: Awful Name
"Like the name, but hate the colors. Reminds me of the Washington Redskins." Agree about the colors, just doesn't look "high-tech." Also, what a plain looking logo, looks like the result of a high school contest or something. In the end, however, Palm will be succeed or fail for their products, service and apptitude at marketing in the face of Microsoft's onslaught. RE: Awful Name
"In the end, however, Palm will be succeed or fail for their products, service and apptitude at marketing in the face of Microsoft's onslaught." Finally someone sane. If the products do what you want, does it really matter what the company is called (well OK as long as it's not MS...lol). Don't forget sony. But right now with the T3 coming up palm looks in good shape. Scott RE: Awful Name
One thing I noticed at Pa1mOne and PalmSource is that they both have the round Palm logo and the word "Powered" underneath. So does that mean the company names are Pa1mOne and Palmsource and the PDA's will still be Palm Zire xx, Palm Tungsten xx, etc.? That would be cool, I still have a Palm Zire 71 then, but I still call it my Palm Pilot. Old habits are hard to break, even though I had USR and 3Com Pilots before. RE: Awful Namepainted_dog @ 8/18/2003 12:59:51 PM #
"Also, "pilot" is certainly still the lingo, even sometimes for PPCs. But, Pilot Pen Company $lammed Palm in court for infringement years ago for and it's never to return." ...then do you think Real will punish them as Real has their RealOne player?? pa1mOne loaded w/ RealOne... which one is not like the other? not that names mean much, as long as the product is good, but i for ONE, this its a stupid name. would a rose by any other name smell as sweet? or would a palm by any other name work as well??? [had to ;-) ] why not "simply_palm" ... all for pa1mOne & pa1mOne for all [i hate typing that name w/ the #1 instead of the letter "l" ..ick ! -painted_dog RE: Awful Namekillah fury @ 8/19/2003 3:25:07 AM #
What a terrible name! yuk! And that logo looks like it was designed by a ten year old let loose on Microsoft Word with thousands of fonts to choose from. and those colours too... horrible! bad move Palm. RE: Awful Name
"Argh... what an awful name. PalmSpring would have been better than this. Truly a sad turn. RIP Palm, we'll surely miss you. -Kevin Crossman" Will you have the b*lls to say that you thought Palm would die because it changed its name to PalmOne 2 years from now? I am still waiting for all those pundits who swore PPC 2000 would crush Palm OS to step up and admit they are idiots. RE: Awful Name
Just a quick note: Litterally speaking palmone in Italian would mean "big" or even "huge" Palm.... In this sense the name is quite appropriate... RE: Awful Nameschwarztech @ 8/23/2003 10:50:01 PM #
I'm not too fond of the new name, but I think it will eventually grow on everyone.
As for the colour scheme, I generally like blues and stuff like that, but this might work what they picked. Afterall, it has worked for http://wthr.com (they've been #1 for awhile), so maybe Palm wanted to change their image, but go with something somewhat safe... Who knows? If anything, it'll make my Vx even more obsolete ;-) Take care,
RE: palmOneinfocenter?
The site is for the OS ... right? It retains the original name. Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: palmOneinfocenter?
I have no plans to change the name of PIC anytime soon. besides we focus on all devices that run the Palm OS, not just models from Palm Inc or now palmOne -Ryan RE: palmOneinfocenter?
It's not that bad. But then since I'm running the iQue I won't need to go there much either. Cheers, RE: palmOneinfocenter?
i don't think the colors are that bad. and the palmone.com website is actually nicely designed. i just hope they lave the orange and maroon colors to the logo and name. those would make some ugly handhelds. i'm not living, i'm just killing time. RE: palmOneinfocenter?
I do not like the new palmone.com website since it forces you to turn JavaScript on. How hard would it have been for them just to use normal HTML anchor tags for the links??? The old Palm website did not require JavaScript to be turned on.
Palm trademark
The "Palm" name and domain assests are now owned by "Palm Trademark Holding Company" which is co-owned by Palm Source and the new palmOne. I guess this lets them get away with using the Palm trademark in their name. RE: Palm trademarkgfunkmagic @ 8/18/2003 4:34:55 AM #
Does the holding company have any other function besides owning the "Palm" trademark? It's also interesting that it's Palmsource that has the majority ownership of the holding company. I suppose this is to aleviate the fears of other lisencees about palmOne monolpolizing the Palm trademark to their advantage...
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Change and Comfort
I hate change. There is a certain amount of comfort having your hardware and software made by the same company...a company that has been there since the beginning, unchanged. This is uncomfortable. RE: Change and ComfortGabriel Morales @ 8/18/2003 5:48:02 AM #
I think this can be a step in the right direction, if implemented properly. The name isn't that bad... It would've been hard to not have "Palm" in there some where. PalmOne- The original Palm PDA maker. Dunno if that's why they chose it, but it seems to make sense! RE: Change and Comfort
Remember when they used to have "US Robotics" or "3COM" stamped on 'em?
Seems like a loooong time ago.
RE: what does this mean now??
"No, really, it's a pa1mOne Zire 71 running PalmSource Palm OS 5.2, sponsored by Bud Light..." I'm going to need an electronic organizer just to keep track of how to properly refer to my PDA. ;> RE: what does this mean now??
I tend to ignore name changes. My "pa1mOne Tungsten T" is, and always will be, called a PalmPilot more than anything else. RE: what does this mean now??
Heck, people call iPaqs "Palm Pilot". Microsoft hates that... but what can you do. When you create a whole new market it's hard for people to change. So I guess even if they renamed it Wicket Inc., people will still call it a Palm Pilot. RE: what does this mean now??
Yeah, a friend here at work also calls his iPaq a Palm. Some kids we know were given organizers from a dollar store with a 30 address limit... and they call THEM Palms!
business and semantics
Oh, well, now quite a few of us will have to change lots of keywords and descriptions on our websites, like http://www.pdatopsoft.com RE: business and semanticspalmwatcher @ 8/18/2003 6:36:28 AM #
What I want to know is how they're going to fit "palmOne" in that little button on the machines. ;-)
Itīs not good!
For me the brand name change is a big mistake. Palm was hell of a strong brand, when they abandon it, it will weaken the band name; I mean imagine BMW change the name to bmwOne; one might ask what car do you have, you say, bmwone; he might think what's that, a cheep BMW or just a fake... Just humble opinions of course... They should have kept the brand, but changed the company name! RE: Itīs not good!Fly-By-Night @ 8/19/2003 5:52:30 AM #
Well, BMW make the MiniOne!
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I vote: YEA to the new name
Well, *I* LOVE the name. It far exceeded my truculent, cynical expectations.
PalmSpring was a cool codename, but it is derivative and unoriginal in formation, and a potential useless chokefest when used in a search engine. I was never a lover of PSG's products, but they truly seem on the upswing...
RE: Is the spelling correct?
that's what I think too, unless it's a strange font in which the l looks like a 1. RE: Is the spelling correct?
oh man, that name is SO l33t h4x0r, i am totally going to buy the next pa1mOne pda! :rolls eyes: RE: Is the spelling correct?
I'm probably dating myself by commenting on this... but when I learned to type, we were taught to use the lowercase 'l' key in place of the '1' key because they were the same. Is that what happened here? I dunno.. personally, I think the new name sounds like a bank card. RE: Is the spelling correct?
I think some old typewriters didn't have a seperate one key for that very reason. Needless to say, in a world of wordprocessing, multitudinous fonts, and data manipulation, the two should not be switched. RE: Is the spelling correct?
The former logo looked like it had a 1 instead of an l. It's funny that I can barely the difference, and there is no difference with some fonts, but my old Apple had a clear distinction. RE: Is the spelling correct?
Spelling, huh...? It's pronounced p-a-one-m-one... ;-) RE: Is the spelling correct?
People, the company NAME is palmOne, with a letter L!!!
It looks like a number 1 in the logo because it is number 1, but it's only a logo for the company, just a small way to emphasize the "one" in the title. Have you heard of the movie "Se7en"? It's not really called Sesevenen.
new chapterchinchorrero @ 8/18/2003 9:15:21 AM #
Turn,Turn,Turn. Pa1mOne Great Name "Life is Too Short" RE: RealOne?
Aaaarrrrgggghhhh...I knew something else was bothering me about the name that I couldn't put my finger on. You are right it is very much, annoyingly so, like RealOne.
I wonder how you pronounce it...
Maybe Pa-One-Mmm-One? (Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?) RE: I wonder how you pronounce it...
By the way, I'm just kidding...
(Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?)
So what happens to the Treo?
If red means Tungsten and yellow means Zire, what happens to the Treo? Following the business & lifestyle model, I would predict that there will be a Tungsten Treo (business smartphone) and a Zire Treo (consumer smartphone). RE: So what happens to the Treo?
This naming was done before the take-over of Handspring. That's why you don't see Treo represented.
Wow
I'm simply astounded that supposedly intelligent board members would vote to take a very strong brand 'Palm', and not only throw it out for something that makes no sense (pa1mOne), but which contains numerals and a weird mix of lower and upper case. THEN they get rid of a great stock symbol (PALM) for one which is gobbledegook (PLMO?) RE: Wow
Only the logo contains the "1" numeral. The actual name is palmOne. (Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?) RE: Wow
There's no "1" in the name. That's a lowercase "L." In fonts like Courier (and on a typewriter), they look the same.
How can we be sure? Try going to their web site, "palmone.com." If you use a number "1" character instead of a lowercase "L," you won't get there... Rolando
Don't like it
The name: Too long, not as short and sweet as just "Palm". Remember, K.I.S.S. Going to be hard to come up with a cool new insignia. I remember when we made the change to the rounded "Palm" in the 3-D circle as opposed to the original "P" logo made up of the horizontal lines. I liked the change then. I don't like this one. Also, what's with the "l" that looks like a "1"? Is it the font, or is it really a "1"? It's already confusing people. Whomever designed that logo really mucked up on that one. How on earth did they let that slip by? The colors: awful. Blue conveys the idea of "cool" and "high-tech". Red is "angry" and "earthy". Blue goes with the silver cases... red/orange does not. And the red/orange combo is already associated with FreeBSD, which I also work with daily. This sucks. And you know how Palm Desktop defaults to this pleasant matching blue theme? What are we going to have now... some horrid red/orange theme by default which will be painful on the eyes? Argh. This has been a bad few days already. I guess I should've expected it'd get worse. RE: Don't like it
Yeah, and the whole "we really mean Zire and Tungsten" is kind of odd. Do you think they mean it? 1000/5000 RE: Don't like it
"And you know how Palm Desktop defaults to this pleasant matching blue theme? What are we going to have now... some horrid red/orange theme by default which will be painful on the eyes? Argh." Remember the initial screen shots of the Zire 71? What colour were they? AHA! Red and orange. What's in a name?digital330 @ 8/18/2003 2:35:23 PM #
What matters most is what PDA's they put out. Right now they are facing a huge onslaught from cheaper PPC with more features and also from smart cell phones. Collapsible Graffiti, native mp3/mpeg support, integrating cell GSM/GPRS modules, Wifi with Bluetooth, user replaceable battery, well designed flip like on Clie SJ's and lower pricing should be the things PalmOne should focus on. But given Palm's stupid policies they will either be bought off by Sony in a few years or become Apple of PDA market. RE: Don't like it
"What matters most is what PDA's they put out. Right now they are facing a huge onslaught from cheaper PPC with more features and also from smart cell phones. Collapsible Graffiti, native mp3/mpeg support, integrating cell GSM/GPRS modules, Wifi with Bluetooth, user replaceable battery, well designed flip like on Clie SJ's and lower pricing should be the things PalmOne should focus on." NAME ME 3 PRODUCTS WITH THOSE FEATURES? You're an idiot..."HUGE ONSLAUGHT...CHEAPER...". It's not here yet...and they're driving it with 52% of the market still:0) RE: Don't like itMarshall Flinkman @ 8/21/2003 3:40:39 PM #
3 products with all of those features? 3 products from Palm/Palm SG/palmOne with them? 3 products from any company with any of them... ok, one out of three.
Remember, one of the things the Palm OS platform has going for it is breadth of options. It's up to palmOne, now, to create some compelling devices. Maybe, with all the attention that's gone to this spinoff/merger, they can do that! FWIW, I'm none too enthused about the name "palmOne" either. But, as they say, "If you don't like the weather, wait five minutes." In other words, there may well be another change down the road, for circumstances yet to be clear.
It works for meRhinoSteve @ 8/18/2003 3:47:53 PM #
Different color scheme communicates new structure. The "Palm" name is still very recognizeable and the "pa1m" lettering is very nice glyph play. I'm sure someone was paid big bucks on this one. Most of all, the "Handspring" name is obliterated and that is well deserved. Would not be surprised to see a future Zire in this burgendy / orange scheme.
Jeff is CTO and has his sandbox. Donna is on the board now with time to do other things and those that really made the money are running the show. Overall, a good merger to me. As far as "PalmSprings" goes, Handspring's poor performance didn't deserve any inclusion of their name into the new organization. Also, I would not be surprised of there is a ton of trademark infringement using a "Palm Springs" name since that is a common vacation resort title.
pa1mOne new name
Has anybody noticed that the small 'l' in the new palmOne logo is probably the number '1' and not an 'l'. So the name change amounts to declaring "We're Number One" twice.
WOW! palmOne to license Pocket PC OS?
http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/palmone_tungsten_ct.jpg Here is a marketing shot for palmOne's newest Tungsten CT. palmOne will now be free to license PPC, Palm OS, Linux or Symbian etc! Babelfish translation says it's the new Tungsten CT with BT/WiFi, 240x320, 128mb and slider-keyboard will run on PPC2003 and the new Samsung 500-600mhz chip. Release date by April 1, 2004. Shocking! RE: WOW! palmOne to license Pocket PC OS?
Nice photochop... but would it kill you to at least use the new logo? RE: WOW! palmOne to license Pocket PC OS?
Sorry, not only for the logo mishap, but that screen on a Palm kinda makes me sick. Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: WOW! palmOne to license Pocket PC OS?
"Nice photochop... but would it kill you to at least use the new logo?" The logo will be mandatory for all Palm OS licensees. http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87316&perpage=10&pagenumber=4 RE: WOW! palmOne to license Pocket PC OS?
I feel sick, where's a bag... hurry... The chunks will mess up the slider! RE: WOW! palmOne to license Pocket PC OS?
I winder why messing around with a system which is already almost perfect (the Tungsten C) with PPC. It's like having BMW discarding its ultrafamous engines to get some Chevy's... It would not be a PALM anymore... What's the point? RE: WOW! palmOne to license Pocket PC OS?
Feranick,
It was a sick joke, but possible nonetheless I believe, since the company is seperate from the OS now. That PPC gui on the TC is kinda greiving to me too. sorry. Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
New and and hopefully no f-ing sliders?Wizard of OS @ 8/18/2003 8:29:59 PM #
I hope they get rid of the ****ing slider in the T3 series. gee, just take a look at the 19xx iPaqs gorgeous! RE: New and and hopefully no f-ing sliders?
not so gorgeous - the new 1940 and the new 2200 both have worse screens then the 1910. Do a search - people are whinning about the 'yellowish' new screens. Most people just love to bitch though - lots are saying that its hardly noticable. still - nothings perfect.
Whats in a name?rcartwright @ 8/18/2003 10:12:14 PM #
A little story; Once upon a time in the place that I live there was a company that called itself Federal Express. It was a good company that did things absolutely, positivly, overnight. But people, being people, called the company FedEx, eventually the company renamed itself FedEx in part because that what everybody called it anyway. The moral-chill out! People will shorten the name to "Palm" in conversation and life will go on and you will know which company you are talking about by context. For example. If one says "I want a Xerox copy", you know its a about a copy. If you say "The scumbag Xerox that screwed up Graffiti", then you know you are talking about the company. Any Questions? RE: Whats in a name?
Eh, I still see people referring to palmOne as Palm for a long time. (Why do some people say you can kill two birds with one stone when it's hard enough killing one bird with two stones?) RE: Whats in a name?
Right, people shorten names all the time, and some companies go along with it (think also IHOP and KFC).
Does this mean we can look forward to PO? Or maybe P1?! :)
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Palm today announced the new name it will adopt following the spin-off this fall of PalmSource and acquisition of Handspring. Palm Solutions groups will become "palmOne" and will reflect the companys handheld computer hardware and software solutions business and encompass the subbrands Zire and Tungsten, as well as Treo.
How many usefull features they will include?
How many years until they are bought by Sony?
j/k