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Over the past two months information has begun to surface on three possible new handhelds coming soon from Palm Inc. The new information confirms some previous reports and reveals additional specs.
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NikMan @ 9/2/2003 2:10:33 AM #
I hope they will make some 515 form handled.
But I think there is no bright future for handleds, smartphones will repleace them and i am waiting some great phones from Palmone!

RE: Great,
PDA Guy @ 9/2/2003 3:33:32 AM #
You're right. The future is smartphones.

However, that future is A LONG TIME FROM NOW.

I am SO tired of people predicting the downfall of handhelds due to the smartphone market. It will happen, that I don't argue. But it won't happen ANYTIME SOON, because smartphones right now are TOO DARN EXPENSIVE, and that won't change anytime soon.

The other problem is that MOST people don't want a smartphone, unless its going to be FREE or close to FREE, since they can get a cell phone for that price. When smartphones get CLOSE to regular cells, then MAYBE we'll see this turn around. But that's a very long time out. Right now, the manufacturers and carriers just are NOT going to give away smartphones, or make them competitive to the other phones on the market. Until that happens, smartphones WILL NOT KILL HANDHELDS.

Sheesh, folks have been predicting smartphones killing the handheld market for a couple years now. Kinda like predicting that M$ handhelds will kill Palm OS handhelds in the "next year or two". You'd think that by now these folks would be embarrased (for those not employed to provide these predictions) or fired (For those that ARE employed to do so) and yet they don't seem to be.

Too bad.

RE: Great,
gfunkmagic @ 9/2/2003 3:46:38 AM #
Quote: "However, that future is A LONG TIME FROM NOW."

Not really. According to the following study by eTForecasts, smartphone sales have already significantly affected the sales of pdas. Furthermore, the boom in Symbian smartphone devices is a testament to this fact:

http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/3717.html

However, I disagree smartphone will DESTROY the pda industry. The fact is that Pdas will always be around, b/c they fill a particular niche that they are suited for. The reason the PDA market isn't growing is because it has matured, not because of any deficit and functionality. However, the PDA market will never surpass 20 million units worldwide as one fantasized and will maintain the 14-15 million units its averaged the last couple years. The exception to this may be in the advent of certian niches like gaming (Tapwave device etc). Thus, it's not like PDA's are going anywhere. There will always be a market for them, but the fact is that market will be vastly miniscule and eclipsed by the larger smartphone segment. In fact many analysts are already predicting that smartphone sales in 2004 will eclipse the total volume of units of pdas! Other studies have predicted that by 2007 smartphones shipments will represent (at min) nearly 5% of all handsets reaching 45 million/year.

http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/3454.html

Thus, sales of smartphones are definitely affecting the PDA industry as that segment stagnates, while in the future the proportion of smartphones of world wide handset sales will continue to rise and eventually become dominant. In fact, it was this realization that was behind Palm's acquisition of Handspring. It totally makes sense for PalmOne to turn its focus on the potential of a possible future 300 million smartphone industry than remain #1 in a stagnating PDA industry of only ~14 million sales. This doesn't mean they will drop Pda's, but it is not where the future profitability of the company lies. The Treo600 will be a critical device in their effort to secure a future in this segment for sure...

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RE: Great,
Gar @ 9/2/2003 6:05:26 AM #
What could completely throw all this would be the introduction of that killer app that a particular industry 'needs'. One app that all banks need to have access to all the time and the handheld sales go out the roof.
Smartphones are one 'killer' app... in a sort of hardware software angle that has pushed sales up for those units. But they are not for everyone. A lot of folks want a connected all the time device but don't want the two (cell and handheld) to merge thus there will always be that part of the market for the hardware manufactures to feed.
RE: Great,
The Phantom @ 9/2/2003 8:47:46 AM #
I personally see PDAs and phones as two seperate entities. I like my phone to be small, with a simple phone style keypad. This means that any display has to be small too, and hence fairly simple in order to be legible.

PDAs I also like to be small, but not as small as a phone. The screen has to be big enough to be usable for more complex applications. Also the input area (whether it be stylus or key based) has to be large enough to be comfortable and easy to use.

I know a lot of people think smartphones are great, but for me they demonstrate a major clash of conflicting design needs. A smartphone is usually too big to be a phone and too small to be PDA - as far as I'm concerned anyway.


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RE: Great,
JonAcheson @ 9/2/2003 10:43:19 AM #
No, I don't think smartphones will kill handhelds.

There will be some people who want a smartphone to have PDA functionality in the phone they already carry. Something like a Handera 600.

There will be some people who want a PDA with cellular and/or wireless to give them cellphone functionality in the PDA they already carry. Something like a Tungsten C or W, except with stereo.

There will be some people who want entirely separate devices that make no compromises.

There will be many people who feel they only need one device or the other, and will be happy with a cheap mass-market device.

Once the circuitry gets cheap enough, you may be able to throw PDA or cellphone functionality into either device with little penalty in size or cost, but that day is still a ways off.

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RE: Great,
digilaw @ 9/2/2003 11:14:56 AM #
I would like to know how much of the pda buying market flys at least once every 3 months. Because if that percentage is high then smartphones will NEVER take off. Why? Because they will not let you use your smartphone on the plane, which is ridiculous when the radio component is turned off. I had to ebay my p800 and get a regular clie TG-50 after only 3 months. I loved the P800 but I do 100% of my personal reading on my PDA and I fly constantly and on several different airlines and not one let me use my P800 on board. I would sneak it out for a hour or 2 on the trans pacific flights but then they would come and yell at me. I even had it confiscated twice. That is so much of a hassle/embarassment that I will NEVER get a smartphone again.

RE: Great,
Altema @ 9/2/2003 12:52:09 PM #
I don't fly much, but still prefer my phone to be a phone. Integrating my pager services into the phone would be fine, but smartphone PDA/phone combos just don't fit my lifestyle. Guess I don't like a high priority PDA integrated with a low priority phone... I keep the Palm with me always, the phone I can take it or leave it depending on the situation.

RE: Great,
batmon @ 9/2/2003 1:35:14 PM #
It's a bit off the topic but I would like to see PDA move towards to laptop terminal types. I believe PDA is a great gadget for barcode scanning in stores, restaurant orders, car repairs, servers & routers terminal console, etc. I don't think ppl wanna use smartphone for these.

It would be great if we can install Palm OS to those little laptops (like Panasonic T1) now. Current laptop is good but just taking too long to boot up the Win2K and run these applications.

RE: Great,
palmadict @ 9/3/2003 12:19:51 PM #
hey guys
i cant believe that smartphones will kill pda's, at least not soon. and i tried both (communicator+treo) and i'm back for several reasons:

1. i like a small phone, i can take on me without
carrying a relatively big device, when not needed
2. i like gadgets like most people here, and i hate to
change both devices at the same time.
3. i love palm os and there is no device i'd like yet.
4. i love to be independant on my power. ie if the
phone is out of power why shall my pda be....???
5. standby times of smartphones are just unacceptable
for people using the device (phone/pda) heavily.
6. no acceptable handsfree devices for car use yet.

so now i also have to defend the smartphones, as i believe they have their market and am sure some people prefer the integrated devices. i cannot follow the guy who claimed problems in airlines, i, at my times of communicator and treo 180 could always explain and proof that the phone was off.......they did though tell me not to use the smartphone during take-off and landing as all electronic devices should be switched off.

nevertheless i really look forward to the tungsten t3
the bluetooth combo with big memory is what i need, as i hadle my email while travelling with my palm.

currently i use a clie t665c in combo with a bluetooth memostick and an ericsson t68......great except the memory and the bluetooth memostick, which sticks out of the clie...........

just my 5 cents.

enjoy
chris

RE: Great,
Marc333 @ 9/3/2003 5:51:02 PM #
In the same fashion as the person above me, I agree that Smartphones will probably not replace pdas. My simple analogy is that I can never see me trying to type long documents on my phone. The screen's too small and its just a different device.

That said, I think what will eventually happen is that the market for smartphone features will trim down and you will see phones that can communicate with pdas but only for the information that is relevent, ie phone numbers and pictures of the individuals. Although an arguement could be made for apps that deal with the internet, such as downloadable maps, restaurant directions, ect.

However, these phones would be much cheaper and much smaller, because it would not need all the memory, processing power and so forth of the pda. Simply the connectivity and the ability to communicate and share information.



RE: Great,
speak2u @ 9/4/2003 12:29:27 AM #
I love tech toys and look forward to the future of even better stuff, but for some of us the all in one is not the way to go. For example short of using a earbud, how do you read an ebook when on the phone on hold? What about the storage capacity and the looks when you pull your "phone" out in the wrong setting (where a PDA would have been ok).

As for the flying, I do that ever week and have a sort of reverse problem. They will let you use your phone on the ground until the door is closed. A couple of airlines now let you use them when taxiing in. But, even though I can use my phone, I cannot use my PDA to look up phone numbers for that phone - until we hit 10,000 feet. Maybe the idea would be a chamelon phone that looks like a PDA in the air and a phone on the ground. That might interest me. hmmmm been yelled at plenty but never had something taken away. You must fly with a mean flight crew.

Dr. Steve Lansing

Traditional PDAs are DEAD. Deal with it.
The Ugly Truth @ 9/4/2003 3:13:21 AM #
In the same fashion as the person above me, I agree that Smartphones will probably not replace pdas. My simple analogy is that I can never see me trying to type long documents on my phone. The screen's too small and its just a different device.


What percent of PDA owners "type long documents" on their devices? Perhaps less than 1 percent? Small size will be a more important "feature" for Josephine Average and this is why traditional PDAs are on their last legs. Not many people will carry a seperate PDA if their phone can do most of the same jobs.

Handspring's mistakes with previous Treos have now given Symbian the window of opportunity needed to butcher Palm's carcass. (subtle hyperbole)


RE: Great,
digilaw @ 9/4/2003 3:22:17 PM #
>You must fly with a mean flight crew.

Hehe, yeah I do the bulk of my flying in SE Asia and Asia proper and some of those flight crews don't understand customer service correctly and some are so nice it'll make you blush. As for the number lookup problem the solution is simple: bluetooth. What I mean by that is palm and phone sync, though bluetooth is the best as you can update your phone with ur updated palm contacts on the fly, so to speak (before the airplane doors close).

I agree with the posters who complain about battery life as that is a big problem. Especially on those 16 hour flights. I gotta say now that I am back to two devices I like it. My problem is that I have to wear a suit often and hauling around two devices over one is bulky without a bag but the Clie is so slim I can't really complain.

I think I need a serious mobile device overhaul. This T3 looks to fit the bill now does anyone have any suggestions on a mobile phone? I am currently using an Ericsson T39m (actually is an old one I took out of retirement after dumping the P800). Great device but I would like one of those color phones with a camera (and bluethooth of course).


RE: Great,
Palmary @ 9/5/2003 12:21:46 AM #
Hello digilaw. I currently use the Nokia 6210i and like it a lot, but on Monday I am switching to the Sony-Ericsson T610. It has colour, bluetooth, camera. Pretty small too but has good keys.

RE: Great,
digilaw @ 9/5/2003 12:51:46 AM #
Thanks! I'll look into that ericsson.

SMARTPHONES WILL RULE THE UNIVERSE!!
madmaxmedia @ 9/29/2003 5:04:24 PM #
It's only a matter of time before SMARTPHONES replace PDA's, ultralight notebooks, full-sized notebooks, desktop computers, servers, and even televisions and toasters!!!!

Has anyone noticed that PDA's are advancing in ways that smartphones cannot possibly cover, like widescreen displays and almost desktop functionality? Everyone is screaming for 480 x 320, or 640 x 480, hard drives, etc...Lots of people will do their basic PIM on a smartphone, but there will always be handhelds, just like there will always be notebook computers, etc...

Tungsten E sounds hot!

kevdo @ 9/2/2003 2:40:21 AM #
I must admit this was my dream device until I became addicted to the camera on the Zire 71. Still, Palm is gonna sell a TON of these pups.

-Kevin Crossman
RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
gfunkmagic @ 9/2/2003 3:37:20 AM #
Agreed! I think the T|E may soon become one of the most popular PalmOne pda's ever. This is basically the specs of the T2 minus BT in a (hopefully) slimmer form factor. I would love if PalmOne finally reclaimed the "thinness" factor from the h1940 etc. I wish the T|E had VG, but PalmOne is probably reserving that feature for its higher end Tungstens. I only hope Palm releases those OS 5 BT SD drivers soon!!!

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RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
heavyduty @ 9/2/2003 4:00:18 AM #
:)
I figured that the TE would be a very interesting device, and the latest info seems to prove me right: looks like we are finally getting a T2 in a m500 case!! And I'm glad they kept the predicted specs.
Now let's just hope that it has stereo output; if so I fear that the mp3 output volume will remain low.
RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
I.M Anonymous @ 9/2/2003 9:02:03 AM #
If the T|E is a) thin and b) has audio hardware for MP3s, then I'll buy one. It sounds like just what I've been waiting for.

Also, the Zire 21 with OS 5 sounds interesting, but what is the advantag of OS 5 over OS 4 on a low-res B&W display with no wireless or multimedia capability?

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
LiveFaith @ 9/2/2003 11:10:15 AM #
What do you mean what's the difference! That OMAP will increase the speed of finding a name in the address book by .077ms per search! Over the course of 35 years the average user will save between 13 and 25 seconds. Faster is better. :-)

Seriously, Palm has got the marketing right on the low end Zire. My wife uses my old Vx and saw a Zire at a store one day and fell in love with it. Never mind that her Vx is better in every way except weight & OS version. She was magnetized by that "Mary Kay" image.

The Sony SJ20 has recently been dropped to $99 and is light years ahead of the Zire from a technical standpoint. Surely Palm will dump the 160x160 dark age resolution and/or give SD expansion and/or color screen and/or shrink the device to the smallest one of all time.

Sony won't have the marketing saavy, but their side by side product will visually blow the Z21 away at the sub-$100 price point. IMO, and I'm a Palm guy.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
Altema @ 9/2/2003 1:03:39 PM #
The speed difference can be quite drastic between the OMAP and the DragonBall. For example, compressing a very large ebook with Wordsmith on an M515 took almost 20 minutes. It's a lot of processing, but still, that's a pretty long wait. The exact same book on the T|T takes 18 *seconds*.

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
amflores @ 9/2/2003 2:40:48 PM #
Nobody mentioned that it syncs through a usb cable, which will limitate the options of accesories (if there´s anyone at all) and the keyboard to an infrared one. At least for me, pass on that

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
JKingGrim @ 9/2/2003 2:48:38 PM #
Also, the Zire 21 with OS 5 sounds interesting, but what is the advantag of OS 5 over OS 4 on a low-res B&W display with no wireless or multimedia capability?

Why not multimedia? You don't need hires and color to play mp3s. Now, the cheapest PDA on the market can play mp3s. This is great. Palm is certainly on a roll with the T3, Z71, Z21, and T|e. They are all excellent PDAs.

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
amin @ 9/2/2003 4:50:48 PM #
I doubt the T|E will play MP3s. Something has to give. Still, I think this device will be great if it has the old m5xx form.

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
I.M Anonymous @ 9/2/2003 5:18:21 PM #
Let me rephrase my list of things the T|E would need for me to buy it:

1) decent sound (i.e. MP3 capability)
2) a thin form factor
3) a universal connector
4) decent battery life

If it has all four, I'm sold.

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
treo007 @ 9/2/2003 7:34:18 PM #
It does sound like a solid PDA; however, I was really hoping for the thumboard. I don't necessarily expect it to have BT at this price point (although the promise of bluetooth was that it would be so cheap, even initially, that it would be as standard as color screens), but that would make it the ultimate PDA for me.

Basically a T2 with a thumboard slider. I'd pay $300 for that.

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
hotpaw4 @ 9/2/2003 7:37:58 PM #
someone asked:
> what is the advantag of OS 5 over OS 4 on a low-res B&W display with no wireless or multimedia capability

Lower power and much higher performance for applications which have had their compute bound sections recompiled into native (pno)armlets.

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
Foo Fighter @ 9/2/2003 8:12:26 PM #
Yeah, if it can play digital audio that is actually loud enough to listen to, and it is thinner and lighter than the Tungsten C (which is a brick), then I may upgrade from my Zire 71. One thing that is a must on my list: a flip cover. No flip cover...no sale.

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RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
Timothy Rapson @ 9/2/2003 8:43:19 PM #
RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
Altema @ 9/2/2003 1:03:39 PM

The speed difference can be quite drastic between the OMAP and the DragonBall. For example, compressing a very large ebook with Wordsmith on an M515 took almost 20 minutes. It's a lot of processing, but still, that's a pretty long wait. The exact same book on the T|T takes 18 *seconds*.

WOW, I was thinking of displaying JPEGs, but now that you mention it, I do sometimes wait until my Clie NR is in the cradle and just let it compress a 1 meg book for 20 minutes. 18 seconds? I could do that while getting my pajamas on to read the book at bedtime.


But, I REALLY NEED virtual graffiti for FITALY virtual. That means a T3, but I am not interested in paying $400 for hardware that is roughly equivalent to what Dell will be selling for half that by the time the T3 arrives.

What a messy market. What I really want is....well, we have all said it a million times and Sony is not making a TG50 with VG for $250.

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
SJWeise @ 9/2/2003 9:39:08 PM #
One can only hope Palm would NOT be foolish enough to exclude an SD slot. The lack of the universal connector can allow the price to drop but are there any peripherals that use that mini-usb? After investing in a few for my m515, I'm not exactly jumping for joy over the mini-usb. As far as mp3, I seriously doubt it will have an earphone jack, probably just a decent (palm-decent) speaker. Still, the 200 dollar price makes it tempting as an upgrade (holdover) till OS6 comes out ) and gives us the time to wait for the usual price drop...)

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
useybird @ 9/2/2003 10:45:05 PM #
For a product line that is supposed to be high-end and professional, not including a SD slot and universal connector sounds like a backwards step to me.

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RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
heavyduty @ 9/3/2003 3:37:54 AM #
** As far as mp3, I seriously doubt it will have an earphone jack **

It WILL be mp3 capable, they can't afford not to offer that since it would seriously cripple the sales.

RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
salami @ 9/4/2003 2:45:42 PM #
Palm has made product mistakes in the past and this could be their next. Palm needs to stick to the strategy they have unveiled for the Tungsten and Zire sub-brands. Tungsten for Business and Zire for personal. In this case, the Tungsten E needs to be packaged with a universal connector so people can use a standard cradle and other options like keyboards and modems. Without a universal connector, it's another Palm blunder.
RE: Tungsten E sounds hot!
gwj2000 @ 9/4/2003 11:36:17 PM #
The real truth is that Smartphones will not take off in the U.S. until the cellular providers finally decide to use one platform. They have sold quite well in Europe due to the fact that GSM is the sole platform for cellular networks. CDMA, TDMA, CDPD, c'mon! GSM is the way for them to go to make all U.S. phones useable worldwide. Then perhaps the prices will be competitive and reasonable enough for people to go out and buy. I use the Tungsten W and love it. I use it in Europe whenever I travel there.



Zire 21 - OS 5? Wow!

kevdo @ 9/2/2003 2:40:21 AM #
I would have never guessed they'd put OS 5 on a $99 device this soon. Still, with the T|E at $199, and minus a color screen this does seem plausible.

If so, that's a MUCH more capable starter PDA (even in 160x160 grayscale) than the original Zire.

More kudos to Palm for really pushing the market. Hope they sell a ton of these.

-Kevin Crossman

RE: Zire 21 - OS 5? Wow!
I.M Anonymous @ 9/2/2003 9:04:36 AM #
What is the advantage of OS 5 over OS 4 on a low-res B&W display with no wireless or multimedia capability?

RE: Zire 21 - OS 5? Wow!
helf @ 9/2/2003 9:35:10 AM #
well lets see... A faster cpu which means most os5 apps would run on it. Like the mp3 programs. Lots of devs im sure will create a version of their game to support the z21. You would be able to run emulators much faster..

RE: Zire 21 - OS 5? Wow!
hkklife @ 9/2/2003 9:48:30 AM #
Isn't all of this horsepower/ OS5 capability essentially wasted for games due to the utterly revolting lack of hard buttons?

Can you imagine the two-fold backwards compatability problems Joe 6-Packs are going to have with this new Zire--*every* OS5-enhanced program to date has assumed that a 5-way navigator or a Sony jog dial will be present. If this Z21 mimicks the original Zire that closely, the same 4-button layout will prevail. Also, most OS5-specific titles also assume a minimum fixed screen resolution of 320*320...with this new Zire and the upcoming Treo also at 160*160 (albeit in color) I think we can expect some developer headaches and a lot of folks keeping their fingers crossed for updates to existing apps/games.

In short, my personal summary of the new units:

T3: Great concept that has taken way too long to appear. I'm personally a slider fan but I'd still prefer a long & think m515 tablet style unit with VG. I do not care at all for the new "organic" button layout. I'll stick with my T2 for a while longer. Right now, Palm had better make sure the build quality is rock solid and all the lingering bugs are squashed before this puppy ships.

T|E: Wow, I have to admit I am very surprised about how much Palm is packing into a $200 unit. The *only* possible caveat I could think of at this time would be screen quality (will it be a T or a T2 type screen?), mp3 volume, and build quality. Since I have (and many PIC faithful) have *zero* use for BT at this time, the E would be a perfect unit. But why oh why did Palm not see fit to include the UC instead of the mini USB port? That just reeks of cheapness. If nothing else, the UC should be a de facto standard on all Tungsten handhelds (yes, yes, I know that Tungsten does not necessarily equal high-end handhelds but you'd think standardization of expansion would be the goal of units targeted at corporations or enterprise users). Still, the E has the potential to be the best bang for the buck Palm *EVER*!

Z21: Well, I never did care for the original Zire and it looks like I still won't care for this one. If this one is still non-backlit and adhering to the same (lack of) buttons as the original Zire I'll eat my socks. The inclusion of the faster CPU and OS 5 is _very_ puzzling to me...I thought Palm announced last fall that we'd still see OS 4.x units for the forseeable future? I'd rather see Palm introduce a very sleek OS 4.x handheld at this price point, fitted with a nice backlit screen (like m500) and a decent button layout-perhaps even a T|T style D-pad to keep all the kids happy? I was also hoping the mini USB cable silliness was a temporary solution just for the Zire...now it looks like it's spreading to the Tungsten line as well. Still, this will sell loads of units-it's not nearly as severely crippled /obsolete in '03 at $99 as the Zire was in '02 at the same price point.

RE: Zire 21 - OS 5? Wow!
hoodoo @ 9/2/2003 11:42:49 AM #
"But why oh why did Palm not see fit to include the UC instead of the mini USB port? That just reeks of cheapness."

Hahaha. That's why it's so cheap! Just a basic PDA with a kick ass screen. Exactly what I want, and it's not an SJ22.

RE: Zire 21 - OS 5? Wow!
helf @ 9/2/2003 11:58:28 AM #
And another thing, old games will benefit from that extra cpu power and you wont have to worry about them messing up because they dont like 320x320 screens. I might actually buy one of these.. :)

RE: Zire 21 - OS 5? Wow!
JKingGrim @ 9/2/2003 2:54:44 PM #
Also, most OS5-specific titles also assume a minimum fixed screen resolution of 320*320...with this new Zire and the upcoming Treo also at 160*160 (albeit in color) I think we can expect some developer headaches and a lot of folks keeping their fingers crossed for updates to existing apps/games.

Not really. Lets say an app supported OS4 low res and OS5 hidensity. POS will automatically use the low res bitmaps, while still keeping OS5 enhancements. And if the app was devided into to different prc files (one to support OS4 low res and one for OS5 hidensity) it would take twenty minutes to copy and paste lowres bitmaps into the OS5 prc.

Zire 21 has a problem

abosco @ 9/2/2003 2:39:13 AM #
Where's the color?? That would have been an awesome finish to that model, but monocrome with OS 5 is like putting out a device that is MP3 capable but doesn't come with one out of the box... oh wait...

ARM at $99 is impressive.. but color would've made these things fly even faster off the shelves.

TE should have a keyboard.. I loathe static Graffiti!

TT3 looks awesome.. finally Palm's first product without a problem.. hopefully.

-Bosco

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
dhchung @ 9/2/2003 3:50:49 AM #
there's no prob to zire 21 in my opinion.
palm needs to seperate the market into groups. Some of them are willing to spend $$ on palm and some are less willing to spend $$.
to maximum profit. palm wants to earn $$ from all of the groups

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
gfunkmagic @ 9/2/2003 4:04:16 AM #
I don't see a problem with a monochrome OS 5 device if it means it will have a battery longevity of WEEKS like the original Zire. What I really want to know is:

Will the Z21 have a SDIO slot?! It would be a terrific mistake if it doesn't IMO...

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RE: Zire 21 has a problem
heavyduty @ 9/2/2003 4:18:05 AM #
More than a SDIO slot I'd say it needs a backlight... THEN comes the SDIO.

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
Shogmaster @ 9/2/2003 4:20:40 AM #
IT'S 99 FREAKIN' BUCKS!!!!!!

It's never enough for you guys..... Jeez........

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
gfunkmagic @ 9/2/2003 4:23:53 AM #
Quote: "IT'S 99 FREAKIN' BUCKS!!!!!!

It's never enough for you guys..... Jeez........"

LOL! Hey, its freaking 4 am eastern time and we're reading PIC for goodness sakes!! Hell yeah, we're never satisfied!!

Btw, I agree about the backlight. A SD slot would be pretty nice too...


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RE: Zire 21 has a problem
everlast @ 9/2/2003 5:42:37 AM #
Quote: "TT3 looks awesome.. finally Palm's first product without a problem.. hopefully."

Huh, there was not a word about jog-dial or a device with that idea. And I don't like these hard buttons in the bottom, gimme normal layout! It's freakin bad :(. Rumored TT3 plus Dial device but minus uncomfortable as they look hard buttons equals my dream PDA.

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
mj6798 @ 9/2/2003 7:01:41 AM #
IT'S 99 FREAKIN' BUCKS!!!!!! It's never enough for you guys..... Jeez........

You are pretty naive if you think that those "99 BUCKS" are driven by the hardware costs. For the same money, you get a complete 1.3Mpixel digital camera, complete with color TFT and SD slot.

Across the entire Palm line, the device is probably sold for many times its actual hardware cost. You are paying for software and compatibility with these devices. And leaving out features like an SD slot isn't driven by hardware costs, it's driven by trying to segment the market.



RE: Zire 21 has a problem
helf @ 9/2/2003 9:38:36 AM #
oh jeez.. stop whining. Its not aimed at your people! neither was the original zire!

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
helf @ 9/2/2003 9:42:49 AM #
*you people

PIC needs a message editor :)

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
Strider_mt2k @ 9/2/2003 11:04:11 AM #
Don't forget all of Palm's screw-ups!
You're also paying for fixing those too!

How many replacement m505s?
How many replacement cradles?
How many returned m130s? And simply because Palm coudn't "fess up" about the display until it cost money to fix?

It's great track record. And one you will continue to help pay for.


RE: Zire 21 has a problem
Kesh @ 9/2/2003 11:24:13 AM #
*If* the Zire 21 has an SD slot, I'll probably snag one. I'm using an hold Handspring Visor Deluxe (8 Mb 33 Mhz), and the Z21 is slimmer, rechargable, and runs OS 5. However, I'm really running out of room... I mainly use my PDA as an ebook reader now. An SD slot would solve that, and I'd even recommend the Z21 to friends who want to try ebooks.

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
twalk @ 9/2/2003 12:50:40 PM #
A zire level monochrome screen can be bought in quantity for around $5 each. A 160x160 color screen in quantity would cost over $25 each. That's more than $20 per device difference.


RE: Zire 21 has a problem
mike d @ 9/2/2003 2:14:25 PM #
twalk wrote: A zire level monochrome screen can be bought in quantity for around $5 each. A 160x160 color screen in quantity would cost over $25 each. That's more than $20 per device difference.

Actually, that's at least a $40 difference at retail. Don't forget that PalmOne, the distributor (if any) and the retailer all need to make a profit on that additional $20.

mike d

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
Scott R @ 9/2/2003 4:47:37 PM #
"Will the Z21 have a SDIO slot?! It would be a terrific mistake if it doesn't IMO..."

That's the million dollar question, IMO. If it does, we could be looking at a very appealing convergent basic PDA/MP3 player. I say bundle it with some cheap headphones and market it as an MP3 player.

Scott

http://goodthatway.com
- featuring PDA/smartphone news and FREE MONEY!!! -

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
Hazniet @ 9/2/2003 5:02:33 PM #
twalk wrote: A zire level monochrome screen can be bought in quantity for around $5 each. A 160x160 color screen in quantity would cost over $25 each. That's more than $20 per device difference.

Don't forget about that the battery that would be needed to keep the screen going. Palm is probably keeping the monochrome screen to maintain battery life for all those college-aged non-techie palm toters who don't know what a (old school) palm pilot can do.

________________________________________
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RE: Zire 21 has a problem
I.M Anonymous @ 9/2/2003 5:24:26 PM #
No one said that the Zire 21 would have any audio hardware besides the piezo speaker. I doubt that at this price point it would have the hardware to play MP3s.

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
twalk @ 9/2/2003 5:33:27 PM #
"Actually, that's at least a $40 difference at retail. Don't forget that PalmOne, the distributor (if any) and the retailer all need to make a profit on that additional $20"

It's actually worse than that. You can possibly get the low-end, passive matrix, 12-bit color screens for ~$25 each, but a good active matrix screen will cost more. A m515 caliber screen likely costs $40-$50 each, wholesale, in quantity.

If Palm can get a color screen on a <$100 PDA, that would be great (any screen quality). I don't really see it as worth their while to hit th $150 price point (like Dell's soon to be released X3). Anything over $100 isn't an impulse buy anymore, so a $200 TE should be close/good enough.


RE: Zire 21 has a problem
EricaCarwile @ 9/2/2003 6:50:03 PM #
Per another board by someone who seems to know what they are saying (but again at this point everything is just rumor) there will be no SD, so therefore no MP3 player since all Palm documentation says you need a SD for MP3
- Erica

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
hotpaw4 @ 9/2/2003 7:48:54 PM #
The Zire 21 has no problem for its price point. If it turns out according to the above rumors, it will have 4 times more memory, and a CPU that at least 10X faster at running native code, for the same introductory price as the current BEST SELLING palmtop ever, the original Zire (BW, low-res, no slot, no backlight).

The non-discounted retail price point for multi-media handhelds with color displays, card slots and stereo audio is going down to around $200 to $300, but not to $99 (Yet!).

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
diment0 @ 9/3/2003 3:53:50 AM #
I understand Palm's need to segment the market. But color screens are so common on cell phones that I think every potential buyer in the Zire 21's target group will be a little bit put off by it. Non-color screens are against expectations these days and, I dare say, signify low-quality or cheapo in the minds of a lot of buyers. Among the latest line-up of cell phones in Europe, I don't think there's a single one with a b/w screen anymore-- and that goes even for the lowby entry models.

So while I am all for Palm to turn a buck, I think going non-color with this one is a mistake.

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
Timothy Rapson @ 9/3/2003 8:11:17 AM #

" RE: Zire 21 has a problem
mj6798 You are pretty naive if you think that those "99 BUCKS" are driven by the hardware costs. For the same money, you get a complete 1.3Mpixel digital camera, complete with color TFT and SD slot."

Yep, you can also get a Gameboy Advance, color phone, or a handheld color TV for that $99. There is even a new PDA for schoolkids with color and higher resolution, the iSprout, for $99. If they can do it, Palm can do it. The Royal Linea has a $99 model that has 32 meg of RAM, a higher res screen than the mono Zires and a backlight. Palm should be making a ton of profit on these low end Zires. But, with the PPCs gaining ground on Palm, they should be offering far more competitive models than they are. The only model they currently sell that is competive is the Zire 71.


RE: Zire 21 has a problem
Timothy Rapson @ 9/3/2003 8:20:56 AM #
RE: Zire 21 has a problem
mj6798 You are pretty naive "


Was a bad edit of the original post. I did not mean that to say that mj6798 was pretty naive!

I should have quoted it as:

RE: Zire 21 has a problem
mj6798 wrote: "You are pretty."


or something else!


Rumors Comments

rcr639 @ 9/2/2003 7:10:57 AM #
8 MB in the new Zire for only 99? That sounds like a deal. Sony's cheapest handheld is $129.99. Maybe that's why Palm offered the $20 dollar promotion and then the messenger bag promotion. They want to sell the old Zires before the new one enters the market.

Also, does anyone have any opinions as to how the $399 T3 will affect the price of the other Tungstens?

Here is one question, why does the picture of the Tungsten T3 have an E model number next to Tungsten in the picture?

RE: Rumors Comments
I.M Anonymous @ 9/2/2003 9:06:28 AM #
E2270 is the device's PSR (prototype serial number), which is put on each pre-release handheld so that palm can identify who needs to be removed from the beta testing program for leaking pictures to the new.

RE: Rumors Comments
EricaCarwile @ 9/2/2003 6:55:58 PM #
This bothered me to. I kept seeing the pics and thinking it is for the T|E too. Guess if what you say is correct we won't get any pics leaked from this source the next go round. That would suck!

I have gotten pretty good descriptions of them all between the three sites I keep visiting. It will be interesting to see what I have marked on my spreadsheet from the different rumors matches up when the models actually come out.
- Erica

What happend to my keyboard

ComputerBob @ 9/2/2003 8:35:59 AM #
Now im just plain mad! I could have got a Tungsten C during an awsome sale. But nooooo i had to wait for the E which in previous rumors was said to have a keyboard. And now it seems that it doesn't. All i wanted was a keyboard, no Wi-Fi, no huge price....
Well the E does sound like an awsome unit, T3 i can tell is going to be very glitchy, and the Zire i dont even care about

RE: What happend to my keyboard
JonAcheson @ 9/2/2003 10:55:02 AM #
I'm strongly tempted to run out and grab a Handspring Treo 90 while they're still in stores. It'll be cheap, and will hold me over until a similar OS5 device becomes available.

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."
RE: What happend to my keyboard
bleedingedge @ 9/2/2003 2:44:51 PM #
The keyboard is exactly where it should be - on a laptop, not a PDA!

RE: What happend to my keyboard
arielb @ 9/2/2003 4:27:37 PM #
thats why I got a Sony TG-50. and yes i love having a keyboard on a pda

RE: What happend to my keyboard
JonAcheson @ 9/2/2003 4:34:36 PM #
Arielb, I like the thumboards as well, though my fingers are way too big for the TG50's keys. The Treo 90 is usable for me, though, and the Tungsten W and C are excellent, which is why I'm disappointed Palm isn't putting out a thumboard on the E.

I'd really be tempted to get a Tungsten C, but it's expensive and bigger than I'd like, and I have absolutely no use for the Wi-fi.

"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: What happend to my keyboard
james_sorenson @ 9/2/2003 7:14:04 PM #
Okay, Palm. Let me describe your customer:

1. I want to connect to the internet for email without being FORCED to use AT&T (I'm referring to the Tungsten W).

Solution: get a Bluetooth Palm like the Tungsten T so I can hook up to my choice of cellphone and service wirelessly. No, a cable is NOT acceptable. I do NOT want to use up my precious SD slot to hook up to my phone either. I need the VFS memory in the SD memory card to download attachments. The Bluetooth must be built-in.

2. I want to be able to send and reply to email messages without getting carpel tunnel from graffiti (I'm referring to the Tungsten T of course).
Solution: get a keyboard Palm, like the Tungsten C or W.

3. I want PalmOS 5. My Tungsten W is starting to feel pokey.

So....why is the Tungsten E not a Bluetooth version of the Tungsten C? Am I niche market to want connectivity, speed, and decent text input? No keyboard and no bluetooth? Nuts...

-------
James Sorenson

RE: What happend to my keyboard
robrecht @ 9/2/2003 11:47:31 PM #
Get a TG-50

Thanks, robrecht
RE: What happend to my keyboard
Edward Green @ 9/3/2003 5:11:16 AM #
I am sure I read that all of the Tungsten line would have some sort of wireless connectivity. Maybe that wasnt true.

I can't see a company equiping its road warriors with a non bluetooth device. Considering how hard it is these days to buy a non-bluetooth business phone.



Edward Green
--
http://www.khite.co.uk

RE: What happend to my keyboard
orol @ 9/3/2003 5:13:22 AM #
I bought TG50 for the same reason .. regarding big fingers, I recommend buying sticky keys from pocketgames.jp
it's just $20 and it's worth of it! (the keys are around 1mm higher and get convex shape)

cradle?

flevy @ 9/2/2003 9:04:48 AM #
Question: I understand the Tungsten E does not come with a cradle. Butdoes that also mean it cannot be used with an already installed cradle? If so, that would be too bad for the M500/505/515 owners who are ready for an upgrade but would like to keep the transition simple.

RE: cradle?
zinethar @ 9/2/2003 9:53:17 AM #
I find it very hard to believe that Palm would put this out without the universal connector, meaning that it will fit fine into a 505's cradle.

All in all, it sounds like a wonderful device and the answer to my prayers. I just wish we knew what kind of display it had.

--
Mitch

RE: cradle?
hkklife @ 9/2/2003 10:05:49 AM #
...I find it staggeringly easy to believe Palm would ship this unit w/o the UC. Leave it up to them to kill an otherwise fantastic unit-at that price, and if it were to have the UC (assuming the mp3 issues were revsolved--also unlikely), I'd probably have sold my T2 and gotten an E. Alas!

RE: cradle?
statik @ 9/2/2003 11:28:48 AM #
Perhaps it includes both the mini USB and the Universal Connector. That way there they can keep costs down by including a dirt-cheap mini usb connector instead of a cradle and power pack.

The Sony SL10 is set up that way and it seems to work quite well.

RE: cradle?
EricaCarwile @ 9/2/2003 6:51:38 PM #
Per thread on another board by someone who seems to know what they are talking about (although everything said by anyone at this point is just rumor) it will have the t2 display. 320x320, tft etc... and an MP3 player
- Erica

"Transflective 320x320 screen, 32m RAM Mp3's in a very similar to m5xx body. But no BT at $199."

I Guess I'm NEVER Going To Get A New Palm...

AkiraXXX @ 9/2/2003 11:34:16 AM #
Crap, so close...

All the T3 needed was wireless built-in and
I was ready. My pockets were simply bulging
with money (wait... yeah, that's money...)
to spend on the new T3, but without built-in
wireless, I just can't do it. I've spoken with
the Sandisk folks and the upcoming SD wireless
will NOT support Cisco EAP/LEAP/PEAP authentication,
so all that is left for me is that damned
Tungsten C with all the ugly buttons on the front.
I don't think I can manage that.

So, Palm, if you are listening, so close, yet
so far away.

All the hope I have left is in that expensive Sony
thing. At least I can fold the top over and
pretend there are no keys on the front. I doubt
it will support Cisco authentication.

Back to the soup can and string for me.

AkiraXXX

RE: I Guess I'm NEVER Going To Get A New Palm...
orev @ 9/2/2003 11:47:03 AM #
Why don't you wait until they are actually announced? I have a feeling the rumors aren't completely accurate.

RE: I Guess I'm NEVER Going To Get A New Palm...
helf @ 9/2/2003 12:01:27 PM #
In your vocabulary does "wireless" = wifi?


RE: I Guess I'm NEVER Going To Get A New Palm...
sngtrkwr @ 9/2/2003 1:59:09 PM #
I hear ya, all i want is wifi. bluetooth would be nice but we don't have any BT phones yet so whats the point. Lets cross our fingers palmOne can get it right soon and actually compete with Sony.

RE: I Guess I'm NEVER Going To Get A New Palm...
ozz @ 9/2/2003 4:18:23 PM #
Akiraxxx: If Palm made your "perfect" PDA with every feature you could imagine, then what would Palm do for an encore? You see, Palm, just like all electronic manufacturers, use the same marketing techniques that "planned obsolescence" created when the first Model T Ford was made at the turn of the century. Palm makes a PDA model with *almost* every feature that the public wants but leaves out one or two features just so they have a future model they can promote with *those* features. ....called the "carrot on a stick". We are all suckers for that NEXT carrot.

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RE: I Guess I'm NEVER Going To Get A New Palm...
JonAcheson @ 9/2/2003 4:27:40 PM #
"Planned Obsolescence" is deeply flawed.

The problem is, what's there to prevent your competition from including those features you are "saving" for the next release? Answer: nothing, and when they realise it, they'll gladly put you out of business.

This kind of thinking nearly did in the US auto makers back in the 70's.

Jon Acheson


"All opinions posted are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled."

RE: I Guess I'm NEVER Going To Get A New Palm...
Scott R @ 9/2/2003 4:51:48 PM #
No wireless? What are you talking about? It has two types of wireless. Bluetooth and Infrared. You really need to be a little clearer about what you mean by "wireless."

Scott

http://goodthatway.com
- featuring PDA/smartphone news and FREE MONEY!!! -

RE: I Guess I'm NEVER Going To Get A New Palm...
hotpaw4 @ 9/2/2003 7:59:18 PM #
> The problem is, what's there to prevent your competition from including those features you are "saving" for the next release?

Manufacturing scale and profitability.

It takes awhile before anybody can include new feature in volume and still make money, especially after taking into account R&D, sales and marketing costs.

Any time you buy the latest PDA, PC, car, TV, whatever, remember it's already obsolete. The R&D labs are already are building stuff that's at least 2 or 3 generations ahead. (2 GHz G5's and 3 GHz P4's? Bah... both IBM and Intel have circuits in the labs that run *well* over 10 GHz. Why buy a pokey slow 2-3 GHz machine when you can just wait a few more years for something fast?)

What's new in Versamail 2.6

OrionNE @ 9/2/2003 11:55:52 AM #
I have Versamail2.5 what's new in 2.6?

T|E rocks!

digital330 @ 9/2/2003 1:30:00 PM #
Wow a T2 minus Bluetooth, cradle and clumsy slider for half the price!

Who needs cradle anyway? The standard USB cable is easier to carry and replace if lost. If removing the UC makes it thinner & cheaper so be it.

And if someone really needs to connect to cradle, keyboards or other overpriced accessories they can also afford a T|T3 or Zire 71.

I will get a $199 PDA (T|E or Clie or iPaq 1935), whichever has good mp3 playback, video's & picture slideshows in addition to PDA stuff. iPaq has replaceable battery (you can carry around a charged spare) but it runs Windoze.

RE: T|E rocks!
helf @ 9/2/2003 2:22:22 PM #
yeah, The TE sounds like its almost what people want. I might get either a z21 or a TE. I just want something small to play my old games on and read ebooks..

RE: T|E rocks!
bleedingedge @ 9/2/2003 2:47:48 PM #
Yeah, I can keep my m505 cradle. However, all this T|E needs is VG on a nice screen - that's all.

Zire 71 vs. Tungsten E

kevdo @ 9/2/2003 2:49:32 PM #
I would hope that they release a new version of the Zire 71 with 32 MB of RAM.

Apart from the camera, the Tungsten E is much more capable with the extra memory -- for $100 less!

-Kevin Crossman

RE: Zire 71 vs. Tungsten E
hkklife @ 9/2/2003 5:20:41 PM #
I'd anticipate a price drop of the Z71 down to $250ish when these new units are announced.

Remember, the original Zire, m130, m515 and (I presume) i705 will all be sent to the "Hall of Fame" upon the release of these three new units so it makes sense to keep the Z71 around as long as possible...I think that the soccer moms comprise the majority of the Zire's target audience wouldn't care too much about having 16mb ram instead of 32mb.



RE: Zire 71 vs. Tungsten E
EricaCarwile @ 9/2/2003 6:42:52 PM #
On another board it was commented (read rumored) that the Zire 71 will be replaced spring 04 but no details on what it will have.- Erica

WTG PIC!

I.M Anonymous @ 9/2/2003 5:28:12 PM #
PIC finally scooped brighthand on something! See http://www.brighthand.com/article/RumorMill_More_Info_on_Tung_E_and_Zire_21

Keep up the good work guys!

Slider, not again!

Wizard of OS @ 9/2/2003 5:33:16 PM #
I don't understand, when do they want to get rid of this ****ing slider??

imagine a Zire 71 with 320 x 480

like a dream!

RE: Slider, not again!
Roberto_tores @ 9/2/2003 5:45:55 PM #
If Palm does not eliminate the slider from the TT series and make it slim, the HP 1900 and newly anounced slim Axim will destroy Palm.

I know that the Palm OS is a thousand times better than pocket PC but most people only care about form factor. Thats why the Palm V, Vx was so successful. Palm should not forget that.

RE: Slider, not again!
helf @ 9/2/2003 6:14:00 PM #
oh stop it with the "they will destroy palm" stuff. It won't happen.. Besides, there are other companies that make palms to you know..

RE: Slider, not again!
Palmary @ 9/2/2003 11:29:49 PM #
I'm with Helf. There are currently two models of Palm with sliders. If you don't like sliders (and I'm not knocking you, it's all a matter of personal taste) go buy one of the other models produced by Palm et al.

Personally, I *like* the slider. I chose to buy a T and a T2. I intend to get the T3.

I have also owned a V, Vx, M500, M505, and an M515. I currently own a Tungsten C in addition to the T2. Each model has pros and cons, but essentially I like them all (OK, the M505 was a bit naff). The V series was certainly a classic design but, with the right software such as SlideFree, the T2 has become my favourite Palm yet. My only quibble is that Palm hasn't bundled such software with the T series, but I'm happy to support 3rd party developers by buying their products.

Slider or otherwise, there is NO way I'd switch to an Axim in particular or PPC in general.

RE: Slider, not again!
arielb @ 9/2/2003 11:52:18 PM #
destroy palm my @ $ $. If ipaq couldn't destroy palm when palm was stuck on dragonball, 8 megs and low res monochrome, how can they do it now?

RE: Slider, not again!
robrecht @ 9/2/2003 11:54:02 PM #
"If Palm does not eliminate the slider from the TT series and make it slim, the HP 1900 and newly anounced slim Axim will destroy Palm."

I much prefer the VG TT form factor to the HP. It's a tiny bit thicker but much smaller and more pocketable when closed.

Thanks, robrecht

RE: Slider, not again!
sandbuck @ 9/3/2003 8:00:55 AM #
"If Palm does not eliminate the slider from the TT series and make it slim, the HP 1900 and newly anounced slim Axim will destroy Palm."

LOL!! What a miserable existance.

RE: Slider, not again!
er_yeah @ 9/19/2003 3:55:14 PM #
I think all you guys and gals are wanting the T|E, it has a relatively similar form to the V series, with much better specs!

To live a good life, you have to act on your emotions
RE: Slider, not again!
turtleworks @ 9/23/2003 9:38:46 AM #
what's so great about the slider?

name="josef wainz"
quote="enjoy the journey"

T|T3 - My view

Jacques T @ 9/2/2003 7:58:13 PM #
- I'm surprised that most of the excitement is around the Zire and T|E and not the T|T3.
- I hope T|T3 buttons don't make "CLICK! CLUNK!" noises. I will be checking this right away at the store and will be leaving right away if they do.
- I'm sitting here with both the HP2215 and T|T on my desk. I am torn daily between which one to adopt for the long term.
- The T|T3 must have a louder speaker than the T|Tx
- The T|T3 needs a video acceleration chip for me to buy it, otherwise I am moving to PPC for good because I can make WMV9@300kbps. It will be unforgivable if the T|T3 cannot play simple 240x180@30fps MPEG-1 or better. This is make or break time between me and Palm.
Note: If the T|T3 is really 400 mhz then it will surely play movies fine with MMplayer (www.mmplayer.com)
- A very strong attraction of the PPC is WordLogic (wordlogic.com). I'm praying to find a similar program for the PalmOS soon. It allows me to enter text is an incredibly simple and fast way. QuickWrite for Palm is close but not good enough.
- I simply LOVE the T|T series' design (well positioned speaker that escapes fingers, the sliding door that makes it VERY compact, the flat raised easy buttons, the well positioned power button, the gorgeous, relaxing and super sensitive screen, the easy to get to telescopic stylus, etc).
- I have a grand standing by in case the T|T3 appeals to me. I am honestly praying that my requirements are met because I love Palm and don't want to be "forced" to move to PPC for good in order to meet my needs.
- I have the HP2210 and T|T. Come October 2003, something is going to be sold. I just don't know which one yet.

I also would appreciate an e-mail address link on PalmOne's site allowing end-users to propose ideas.

Jacques T.


RE: T|T3 - My view
ozz @ 9/2/2003 11:27:44 PM #
I predict you'll sell the HP2210! Palm rocks! :-D

_________________________
Lord, help me become the person my dog thinks I am!
RE: T|T3 - My view
arielb @ 9/2/2003 11:56:01 PM #
i know tapwave will give you everything you want for multimedia plus 128 megs, landscape and dual SD slots

RE: T|T3 - My view
palmstory @ 9/3/2003 12:55:47 AM #
>Lord, help me become the person my dog thinks I am!

This is one of the best signatures I've seen!

As to "rumors" etc. WHEN these are in the stores, I'll go and play with them. The REALITY is that very often in the stores these units are USELESS --

not charged
or "nailed" behind the counter or to the display where one can't hold them FOR REAL! to get a real feel!

I wish Palm had a better retail presence, ala Apple Stores, where it IS being sold, except the latest model I've seen there was TT, not even T2. It took a lot of nagging before they unhooked TT and connected it to Apple's 17' Laptop, so I could see how well TT played with Palm Desktop vs. Entourage, which reminds me -- I'LL NEVER BUY SONY Palm PDA's until they are FULLY Mac compatible. Yes I know about Missing Link Conduit, but with Sony, what's missing is a RESPECT for Mac OS community! Hope they Think Different ? soon. And not to dump on Sony, I hope they show us, Mac folks, more love too:) But, still, Palm should have a MUCH MUCH BETTER retail presence!

All those units nailed, chained, under display in Staples and such -- THAT'S PATHETIC!!! To me as a shareholder(OUCH!!!!) this is particularly sad. I've pointed that out to Palm countless times, and all I got were Thank You Auto Replies! Palm should GIVE AWAY demo CD's, or and Play those Video CD's in stores where all the features etc could be demonstrated in depth or quickly. Otherwise, they are just hoping that some of us buy their PDA's, and assume the "missionary position"(pun intended)... by preaching Palm OS onto the rest of the world by demonstrating our units, and donating our time, while Palm Inc, Palmone are trying to seduce the BIG CLIENTS, the corporations into bulk buying! Can you hear me now... Palm(PALM)!!!!

The sad thing is that my IIIx is still just FINE, but because I don't have USB connector for it, I won't be able to connect it to my Apple Laptop which I am about to buy. The USB Cradles are too expensive for my IIIx, plus OS3.3 on it might not play nice with PD 4.1 or Entourage. So I'll hand my IIIx down to a friend with older Mac w/Serial Port, and let her discover the Joy of Palm. Then, when she gets her own Mac Laptop, I'll keep my IIIx as a backup and SENTIMENTAL item. Hey, it's still fine after 4 years + 1 month of me beating it up.

As to UC or other connectors, THAT is such a RIP OFF when they keep changing it, forcing people into extra expenses. If the newer models do more, don't cost MUCH more, people would upgrade.

On my WISH LIST --
Norton like Utility which could fix things on Palm thus preventing corruption
BT talking to a cell phone. I am on Verizon and they don't have BT phones or at least choice of them. Smartphones are getting better, but are not there yet.

With BT + Cell, my Palm will check email every 10 minutes, and it would come off my Monthly Minutes, i.e. NO SEPARATE PLANS for email. And if my Palm was to "talk" to BT phone, I'd like to be able to Save Call Logs INDEFINITELY, i.e. archive them to Desktop as part of Palm Desktop, or Entourage, or Standalone Mac + Windows Application!

Drag and Drop Photos from Desktop to Install on Palm, so that it would be my Portable Photoalbum.

MP3? Why, when one can have iPod with TONS of music one it, plus space for backing up other non music files to it? Unless they can make Palm compatible with iTunes!

Other than that, replaceable Rechargeable Batteries would be nice! And FINALLY!!!

PLEASE -- END THE 15 CATEGORIES LIMIT ALREADY!!!!!!!

There are Memorizable Views on my Mac Palm Desktop, let THOSE Views(Unlimited ## of them) Transfer via Hot Sync to Palm PDA.

These are the things I hope Palm Software folks can give us in our lifetime, instead ambushing us with low blows like -- new connectors etc.

If 15 Categories were done away with a year or two ago, I would have upgraded my IIIx.

Sorry about such a long Post folks. It's just that I feel that Palm would be better off taking care of BASICS -- 15 CATEGORIES, BETTER RETAIL PRESENCE etc! Then they can start getting a bit more geeky, finicky and etc.

Can you hear me Palm?! :)

RE: T|T3 - My view
palmstory @ 9/3/2003 1:48:03 AM #
One more wish Item for both Palm PDA and iPod:)

FM/AM receiver PLEASE!!! This way, when the next Blackout comes, we'll know what's going on!:):)

BTW, PalmInfocenter ROCKS!!!!



My IIIx is still working since 7/99!!! I use Panasonic Rechargable Batteries, swapping them back and forth with a pair inside Panasonic portable CD Player where they get recharged! NO MORE 15 CATEGORIES PLEASE!!!

... A FEW MORE WISH LIST ITEMS!!!
palmstory @ 9/3/2003 1:54:44 AM #
Too bad one has to be sneaky about getting back to Graffiti 1. Why couldn't those folks make a deal? What a waste that whole case was!

Multi Language Support could be nice too! Hey, people around the world should see the full glory of Palm in their own languages!

Voice Recorder should be STANDARD on ALL Palms, a couple of hours would be nice!:) Backup ALL DATA, not just Palm's stuff -- STANDARD to SD on ALL PALMS!

THE UNIT SHOULD BEEP when half hour of Use Time is reached. That time warning shoudl be User Definable!

Battery Meter -- in hours of use with MAX BRIGHTNESS and LOUDEST SPEAKER VOLUME ASSUMED! This way the real reserve would exceed the expectations!

Auto Digitizer, or at least reminder to Digitize!

Docs To Go , and EVERYTHING ELSE -- FULL MAC OS SUPPORT!!! Hey we are people too:):):)!!!

Flip Covers for Screens(non scratch surface PLEASE!!!)

THE VIBRATE ALERT(no sound)

should wake up the dead!!! ... even if the PDA is in a belt pouch, i.e. doesn't have a direct contact with a body!

Alarms Sounds?

One should be able to record their own Alarms from ANY Audio Source



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My IIIx is still working since 7/99!!! I use Panasonic Rechargable Batteries, swapping them back and forth with a pair inside Panasonic portable CD Player where they get recharged! NO MORE 15 CATEGORIES PLEASE!!!

RE: T|T3 - My view
orol @ 9/3/2003 5:21:45 AM #
what is the problem with 15 categories ?
I actually have only 4 catetegories.. in each cca 20+ apps and I'm pretty much happy with my TG50

I personnaly am much more bothered by the 4kb memo limit


RE: T|T3 - My view
Altema @ 9/3/2003 1:47:47 PM #
Yeah the 4k memo limit is a real irritation. 15 categories? I have my T|T maxed out (app and memory-wise), and only use 6 categories. Of course, I don't use the stock launcher eiter, so it's a moot point.

15 Categories is UNBEARABLE!!!
palmstory @ 9/5/2003 11:34:33 AM #
>  RE: T|T3 - My view
> orol @ 9/3/2003 5:21:45 AM
>
> what is the problem with 15 categories ?
> I actually have only 4 catetegories.. in each cca 20+ apps and I'm pretty much
> happy with my TG50
>
>
> I personnaly am much more bothered by the 4kb memo limit

Here is the example of how 15 Categories is UNBEARABLE!!! I am a musician, and need to be able to group-isolate by instrument, or "doubling", i.e. drummer who sings is an example of a "doubler"(an official, common practice term in music industry). If I need a drummer, then its All Drummers List, but what if I need a SINGING DRUMMER, Drums MV(singing drummer), then I'd like another List(Memorized View), Category, etc.

17 BASIC CATERGORIES

Bass
Cello
Customer
Drums
Emergency
Employer Type 1
Employer Type 2
Guitar
Harp
Female Singer
Male Singer
Piano
Sax
Student
Trumpet
Trombone
Violin

4 "DOUBLERS" CATEGORIES EXAMPLE
Bass MV(singing Bass)
Drums MV(singing Drums)
Guitar MV(singing Guitarist)
Piano MV(singing Keyboardist)

I'd like to have much more than 15 "Basic" Categories, or 4 Doubler Categories. Let's face it, there is more to life than those Categories, even if one is a musician:):):) RIGHT?

My highly UNPLEASANT workaround vs. this HORRIBLE 15 Categories Limit is --

On Desktop, I ALWAYS replicate Category Name in Title Field. That's my version of Backup for Category Field, which is HIGHLY UNSTABLE, i.e. it change on PDA if one starts adding, deleting, renaming categories

For Doublers, if it's a singer, I add MV or FM(male/female vocalist) after their main instrument(bass, guitar)

If a Bass player(electric) also plays Accoustic Bass(AKA Upright, Contrabass), I can add "Accoustic" and so on.

Then, with Filters(on Desktop) I create Memorized Views. THOSE VIEWS(my Substitution to Categories) I'd like to be able to Transfer to PDA.

So, call I don't care what it's called -- Categories-Classes-Groups-Lists, I need to be able to isolate people within those Categories-Classes-Groups-Lists. I.e. -- fine lets call them all MUSICIANS = 1 Category name, BUT I'd like the UNLIMITED # of Memorized Lists that I can Sync back and forth between Desktop and PDA. Thus far, thanks to Datebk4 by Pimlico, I can Filter and Memorize Lists of Contacts, but pulling those lists is S L O W, at least on my IIIx, unlike on my Palm Desktop, where it's INSTANT!

AGAIN, I don't want to get bogged down in the wording here -- I don't care what it's called -- Categories-Classes-Groups-Lists, I need to be able to isolate people within those

Palm Desktop kind of hints at this by allowing a Contact to have 2nd Category, which doesn't Sync to PDA. Only 4 Phone ## per Contact are possible, and only 1 email. BUT a lot of folks have more than 4 phone ##, and more than 4 emails:)

And don't even get me started on the possible Names-Types-Categories-Classes-Groups-Lists-Kinds of Memos(Notes) or Appointments, or Tasks(To Do's)

I'd like to be able to View all of those as LIST!!!! INSTANTLY.

Call it LISTS, CALL IT CATEGORIES, CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, BUT JUST PLEASE GIVE ME MORE THAN 15 OF THOSE, and let them all Sync to and from Desktop!

As to 4K per Memo, that's BAD TOO! At least if that's so, on PDA, a 2nd Memo should be created AUTOMATICALLY, with IDENTICAL Title, and ".2" or ".02" to avoid Truncation. But better yet, do away with 4K Limit, and while at it, make those Memos Formatable, ala Wordsmith!!!

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My IIIx is still working since 7/99!!! I use Panasonic Rechargable Batteries, swapping them back and forth with a pair inside Panasonic portable CD Player where they get recharged! NO MORE 15 CATEGORIES PLEASE!!!

Flash Rom

cst516 @ 9/3/2003 12:20:45 AM #
I am sure these will be with OS 5.xxx I hope they will be able to be flashed to OS 6, I wonder.

RE: Flash Rom
helf @ 9/3/2003 9:17:15 AM #
Porbably won't be :\ OS6 will probably need more rom space than the current models have.

In the shops when?

EggyBread @ 9/3/2003 6:29:11 AM #
Given that they officially announced on Oct1, with full specs, after that when do we get to see a review, or order them online or get em from a shop?
I currently have had a Psion Revo for donkeys years, and have been holding off getting a Tungsten C for nearly a month now and NEED to get myself a Palm soon. I've been totally converted from playing with them in the shops, esp the C.
RE: In the shops when?
helf @ 9/3/2003 9:18:00 AM #
Thats funny.. I just switched to a psion series 5mx.. :)

WorldLogic and the new Tungsten T3!

Jacques T @ 9/3/2003 5:18:35 PM #
WOOHOO! GREAT NEWS! I posted earlier with what I will be looking for in order to stay with Palm and buy a new TT3. I e-mailed the company that makes WorldLogic and asked if thet plan to make an OS 5 version. This was their response:

"Thanks for your email. Yes we are in the process of developing a Palm version, especially
for the newer OS's and we have a number of OEMs interested in carrying it on their devices
so you should see it soon.

Thanks,
Mark Dostie
CTO WordLogic Corp."

TE and the Universal Connector

SJWeise @ 9/4/2003 10:52:38 AM #
How many people out there actually make use of the Universal Connector? And for those with older handhelds w/o, would you? The TE is a great device even w/o the UC. I have an m515 and don't really make use of the UC (with the exception of a portable charger that would work for nay m5xx and T series-TE excluded). The other thing to consider is if you want a newer model, with better sound and screen the TT will probably be close to the TE's price. Which is more important, 32mb or a UC? ( And yes, I am leaving out the OS versions 5.0 vs 5.2.1, reflective vs transflective, slider vs no slider, buggy TT audio vs improved audio...but I bet it would come down to UC vs 32mb)

RE: TE and the Universal Connector
hkklife @ 9/4/2003 2:13:51 PM #
....without beating a dead horse to death, it essentially comes down to pennies' difference between implementing the UC and the mini-usb. Aside from being horribly cheap, Palm's just doing this to confuse new users and aggrivate their dwindling "hardcore" user base.

I know that I personally have invested several hundred dollars' worth of UC peripherals (keyboard, 2nd cradle, Supplynet cable, modem sled, travel charger, auto charger) intending to use them from my m505 onwards for at least a couple of years.

I'm *still* waiting for Palm to get it (mostly) right for a single model. I hate to say it but the m515 came closest, delivering everything it promised to do and not having any major shortcomings (aside from a non backlit Graffiti area). The T|T2 comes a close 2nd but the audio problems and G2 really irk me. Now the T|E looks like it'll come really, really close but for me personally, it's a no-go, due to my major investment in UC peripherals and lack of a BT cellphone/provider.

RE: TE and the Universal Connector
Altema @ 9/4/2003 4:00:12 PM #
Have to agree that there is not a huge cost difference between the two connectors, although the USC does require the additional serial interface circuitry. I wish they would stick with the UC for all models except the budget Zire. The M515 was one of my favorites, but I have to say that I've had no audio problems with the T|T since patching and upgrading my MP3 player. I do pro audio and am picky about sound, but my ears have not been burned out yet and are still pretty sensitive. I dislike the G2, but now that there is a way to get G1 back, I'm less concerned about G2.

SJW: The memory will be a moot point unless you plan on getting the original T|T which had 16Mb (14Mb available) RAM. The current model is the T|T2 with 32Mb, and the upcoming T|T3 has 64Mb. The only T|T with the reflective screen is the original. It is very clear and the best for outdoors, but not as bright and clear indoors as the T|E, T|T2, or T|T3. The slider? Depends on your preferences... some hate them, some think they're ok, others love them. I'm a hardcore user who gives about a week worth of use and abuse everyday to an original T|T. The slider has always performed flawlessly. And for those who think it's such a horrible invention: learn how to use the nav pad already!

A device which fills my hand and has great buttons, folds down to fit in my shirt pocket... and I can button the pocket. Could not do that with the 515.

T3 nice... but battery?

ksdori @ 9/5/2003 8:49:06 AM #
T3 have impressive features but, as you know, Tungsten T series' battery is too small..700mA

Increased clock speed to 400Mhz? good but,

TC has 1500mA battery and 400MHz cpu..

here, half capacity battery and 33% increased screen anrea..

If T3 doesn't improve power saving method, it may have really terrible battery time...

RE: T3 nice... but battery?
ksdori @ 9/5/2003 11:10:39 AM #
oops, my mistake 900mAH

T3

Bongo @ 9/5/2003 9:55:32 AM #
Looks like the T3 is real, indeed.

It's true, battery is all important: weak battery, and you have a throw away PDA!

Some are comparing Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. You can't really, because one of for hotspot use, and the other relies on a cellphone that makes the connection. I never user Wi-Fi, but do understand that it is batt hungry and of course you would have to somehow be registered with the service, as with an ISP. Wi-Fi may end up to be just a fad, outside of the campuses.

The screen size/ slider looks like a brilliant solution. If you are not doing multimedia, you keep it closed and small, and people are saying that there is soft around to let you launch, etc, without pulling it open. Great! (the pictures show some icons along the edge of the screen, so I guess they let you launch recently used apps, etc.)

I update my phone or PDA once a year (Fall), and would consider jumping to a T3, and retiring my Clié 665/675.
(But the batt better beat the Clié!!)

RE: T3
DellTech @ 9/16/2003 12:10:53 AM #
Run a Pico Blue or similar device for home (one at work also), i don't even have a cell phone. Roadrunner Cable +BT.

Picture of the TE??

kriegsfalke @ 9/10/2003 3:00:40 PM #
http://www.bluehand.de/prod/palm/executive_m.jpg

This is an picture of a new leathercase. On the right side of the picture you can see the Tungsten E

Minor Confirmation

CBach @ 9/20/2003 1:29:18 PM #
Looks like Belkin may know something. They list one of their keyboards as "T3" compatible.

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=&pcount=&Product_Id=125935

RE: Minor Confirmation
ScoutBuck @ 9/21/2003 2:04:52 AM #

Z21 and T/E at Target in Northern CA

jake95825 @ 9/22/2003 6:04:30 PM #
I was just at Target in Northern CA and they have the Z21 and T/E. They didnt have any displays I could look at, but they were what has been described in the thread so far. I almost got the T/E except it does not have the universal connector :(
RE: Z21 and T/E at Target in Northern CA
GHaavy @ 9/23/2003 2:12:52 AM #
No T3?

Stop teasing us, now. Where was the T3?

I'm not a smartass in real life, I just portray one on the web.

RE: Z21 and T/E at Target in Northern CA
NoBrain123 @ 9/23/2003 3:28:52 AM #
Was the Northern CA Target in Mountain View?

I was just there and they had the Z21, I snapped some shots of it with my Z71 if anyone wants to see it.

No MP3 capabilities that I saw. No headphone jack.

I can put these on the PIC if someone tells me how.

RE: Z21 and T/E at Target in Northern CA
eczajnik @ 9/26/2003 6:53:18 AM #
Could you please send me some pics of zire 21 that you got with your 71? I'd really like to see the new zire..

RE: Z21 and T/E at Target in Northern CA
NoBrain123 @ 9/27/2003 5:13:19 PM #
Hey everyone,

Here ya go...

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dlipone/lst?.dir=/Zire+21&.view=t

Hope all those curious about the Zire 21 will enjoy seeing it!

Tungsten E Reviewed

GHaavy @ 9/23/2003 2:29:30 AM #
Hmmm... seems that PIC is a little slow on the draw.

Matt Kitchen, Editor of Mobileslash.com, is one of the first to provide intimate details of the Tungsten E.

In a review dated Sunday Sept. 21, Matt provides some of the first insights into the form and function of the yet-to-be released lower end Tungsten model from PalmOne.

You don't happen to have a T3 on your review table, do you Ryan? Cam'an... don't hold out on us, now.

Check out the review here:
http://www.mobileslash.com/cms_view_article.php?aid=13


I'm not a smartass in real life, I just portray one on the web.

RE: Tungsten E Reviewed
Altema @ 9/30/2003 1:17:38 PM #
"You don't happen to have a T3 on your review table, do you Ryan? Cam'an... don't hold out on us, now."

Just leave him alone so he can finish the article!

;)

RE: T3 new pics
Altema @ 9/30/2003 1:00:07 PM #
The pics are gone, or the link is invalid. Still, I thought it was cute to see the Palms listed as "Palm Tungsten T Pocket PC".

Actually hedl the T3 box today

clipsmeyer @ 9/28/2003 4:50:30 PM #
Hey, I was at the Staples in Roseville next to the SAMS. They have both the T3 and TE instock in one of their display cases. The manager said they weren't for sale yet, has a price in the computer of 9999.99, and shouldn't have been out on the shelf yet, but they are real and have the 400mhz processor, and 64mb of ram.

RE: Actually hedl the T3 box today
jake95825 @ 9/30/2003 11:45:13 AM #
Just picked one up at OfficeMax in Folsom. There are two left, but one was already opened and monkeyed with. I have been impressed so far, but there are minor software issues that occassionly pop up with the graffiti/keyboard and resizing of the screen. I think that some of the palm and third party apps. are picky or get confused with the screen size/orientation change. Not a major issue though. Dont know much about battery life yet. Alarms are SO loud that I jumped five feet when it went off. RealOne is VERY loud through headphones. Nothing special in the box. (The T/E had a free screen protector sample.) There was a simple little catalog that showed some stuff that you could buy but all the T3 stuff did not have any pictures. When I finally got BT linked to the cell phone, it was very cool to browse with the full screen. I just wish I could figure out the BT/ desktop combination so I can crash on the couch and check stuff.
RE: Actually hedl the T3 box today
Altema @ 9/30/2003 1:02:48 PM #
Very cool. Glad they pumped up the audio,.. I suspected they would when they had to change the speaker holes to accomodate the increased output.

In regards to the BT access to your PC; it depends on which BT adapter you get. Some act like a serial dongle, and some like a LAN adapter. Ones like the Belkin F8T001 require a new connection be created with it's own IP adress, then you can turn on internet connection services (ICS) on your connection to the internet (advanced tab on the connection properties). On the AmbiCom BT adapters, you have to setup the connection as a serial modem. Both types work ok, but the setup is completely different.

More datails on Pa1mOne México

ScoutBuck @ 9/28/2003 10:51:23 PM #

Tungsten T3 on sale in UK!

Swanvestas @ 9/29/2003 10:41:34 AM #
Check out this link to The Register. Availablilty in 2 days!

www.expansys.com/regproduct.asp?code=106746&asource=

Here's a grab of the content in case the link fails:

Palm Tungsten T3
Home Page > Palm & Handspring > Palm Tungsten T3

Our Price: £286.43 (243.77 exc.)
Availability: Estimated 2 Days
If you ordered this product before 3pm today, UK customers could expect shipment in 2 working day(s). Add your email address to the box on the left to receive an alert message when we get stock.

Adopt a new point of view with the surprisingly compact Palm Tungsten T3 handheld, featuring an extra-wide 320 x 480 high-resolution colour screen, Intel XScale 400 MHz ARM processor, 64 MB RAM and integrated Bluetooth. It also boasts enhanced Microsoft Outlook synchronisation, native Word and Excel file support (including email attachments) and a next-generation user interface.


T3 Specs as of Sept 30 2003

Swanvestas @ 9/30/2003 11:22:25 AM #
Here are the specs for the Tungsten T3 from TheRegister.com in the UK, where both the T3 and the TE are currently available for pre-order.

Next-generation user interface and handwriting recognition; 320 x 480 transflective high-resolution colour display with landscape support; Intel XScale 400 MHz ARM processor, 64 MB RAM and Palm OS 5.2.1; Enhanced Microsoft Outlook synchronisation
Create, edit, email3 and share Word and Excel files in their native formats; Built-in Bluetooth with real-time device discovery; Improved proxy and proxyless web browser (with pop-up windows); Complete multimedia suite: record voice memos, listen to audio files, view images and video clips; Add peripherals via the SDIO expansion slot and universal connector; Compact slider design with 5-way navigation
Display High-resolution 320 x 480 transflective display supporting 65,536 colours; Works in portrait and landscape modes; Weight and size 153 gr., 10.8 x 7.6 x 1.6 cm (closed). 13.0 x 7.6 x 1.6 cm (open); Power Rechargeable lithium-ion polymer battery lasting up to 5 days; Memory 64 MB (16 MB flash ROM); Operating system Palm OS 5.2.1; Processor Intel XScale 400 MHz ARM processor
Navigation, data entry 5-way navigator, stylus. On-screen writing software; Infrared port; Bluetooth capabilities: Yes, with real-time device discovery; Audio capabilities Microphone, 3.5 mm stereo headphone jack and mono speaker; Voice recording; Expansion capabilities SD / SDIO / MultiMediaCard expansion slot. Palm universal connector; What’s in the box: Delivered with recharging USB HotSync cradle3, protective cover, stylus, software CD-ROM and documentation
SOME OF THE INCLUDED SOFTWARE: Applications included in the ROM Enhanced Calendar, Contacts, Memos and Tasks Note Pad, Clock, Calculator, HotSync technology (incl. Network HotSync), Security, Expense; Compatibility with Microsoft Word, DataViz Documents To Go® Professional Edition 6.0 (in the ROM): create and edit Word, Excel and Excel & PowerPoint PowerPoint files. Word and Excel files with native support; Entertainment RealOne Player (MP35 audio player – in the ROM), Kinoma Player (video player – in the ROM) & Producer, Palm Reader, Palm Photos (photo viewer – in the ROM), Handmark Solitaire; Productivity World Clock (in the ROM), powerOne calculator, Voice Memo (in the ROM) , Adobe Acrobat Reader for Palm OS
SOME OF THE INCLUDED SOFTWARE
Email VersaMail 2.6 (in the ROM). Send, receive and open Word and Excel files in their native formats; Mobile Internet7 Web Pro Browser 3.0 (proxy and proxyless) SMS application7 Yes (in the ROM); Bluetooth applications BlueBoard 2.0, BlueChat 2.0; Miscellaneous PhoneLink set-up wizards (in the ROM), Dialer (in the ROM); Desktop software Palm Desktop 4.1 for PC and for Mac; Sync to Microsoft Outlook; Also supports new Outlook fields (i.e., Birthday and To Do reminders, etc.)


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