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RE: Cool!
-- Fammy
RE: Cool!
I'll get to play with one...
-Greg
PS. Woot! first post! ;-P
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RE: I'll get to play with one...
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USB Support
I would think you could use a portable USB-DVD drive to watch full-length movies.
Delorme's tiny USB GPS should also work.
A USB drive could be used for extra storage and playing more media.
And last, a small USB printer.
Anyone know if Palm drivers are being created for these devices?
RE: USB Support
Basically, you have a sync only usb connection on the left and four charging connections on the bottom.
Now... with it's built in bluetooth and 802.11b you can always run outside devices feeding the unit that way. I already (took me less than a minute, the 'connections' prefs are way better!) have it on the home and work networks moving files around in a flash!
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Portrait?
RE: Portrait?
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RE: Portrait?
So while not a feature of the OS, running your applications in portrait mode does seem possible given those few that already possess this feature.
CLUX SUX!
I just plyed with one at CompUSA in NYC (5th Ave & 37th St).
The screen is not only too fekkin small, it is DIM DIM DIM!!
Really, the NX80 is at least 2-3x brighter.
The dimness of the CLUX is about the same as their lowest-end color unit. It is really sad!
In addition, I found their new Launcher to be very confusing and not intuitive at all.
The good part is this thing is easily shirt-pocketable and the keyboard is nice. I think it's perhaps the best included keyboard I've tried (including that of the Linux Zaurus clamshell).
If you've been drooling for this one, you'll really have to overlook that DIM DIM DIM DIM DIM screen (and yes, I *did* have it on full brightness!).
RE: CLUX SUX!
Life is a great adventure or nothing.
RE: CLUX SUX!
Decision list is now:
1) NX80 with CF WiFi
2) TT3 (3, not 2) with SD WiFi or Enfora WiFi portfolio
3) wait for mythical "T770" from Sony -- although if that has WiFi included, the scren will probably be as miserably DIM DIM DIM as the CLUX...
RE: CLUX SUX!
The Screen: may vary a bit from unit to unit... used to be the way on older palm devices. It is not as bright as the 80 for sure, but appears brighter than the NX70. At least the couple we have here look that way. While the screen is small, that isn't an issue for some folks... it's very clean and crisp.
The size: is very nice... it's getting old hauling these big units around... I want to power and need it handy so I have to carry a device in my pocket all the time. The UX is about the size of a small wallet so all of a suden it just blends right in. No external wireless cards sticking out... it just works! Hard to read for me, but it works, and I need new glasses anyways.
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RE: CLUX SUX!
RE: CLUX SUX!
Now The Moron Set are taking my *Comments* as reviews.
Wow, I'm really going to take seriously some imbecile whose handle is a fekkin BRAND NAME. No *two* brand names: Treo *and* 007.
I don't think I saw a bad unit. I think Sony dimmed the screen to eke more out of the battery. That was a mistake.
What people here forget is that you would *never* see this kind of discussion on one of the PPC Thought Nazi sites. Over there, *every* PPC is out of Lake Woebegon: "above average."
Sony got the size and keyboard right. Next version I hope they get the screen -- and portrait option -- right. As well as boost the speaker volume.
Oh, and did I forget to mention it was also slow? Calling up CLIE Viewer to display thumbnails was significantly slower than on the NX80. YMMV, as they say... hie to your local CompUSA to play around with it.
RE: CLUX SUX!
RE: CLUX SUX!
RE: CLUX SUX!
The Clie may suck, but you probably couldn't wait to way in and tell us so.
RE: CLUX SUX!
BTW, "way in" ??? Don't you mean "weigh in" ?
RE: CLUX SUX!
RE: CLUX SUX!
I find that the brightness of the UX50 screen is just fine. Perhaps there is some difference between the UX and some of the larger clies but definitely not enough to write home about, IMHO. Also, I have found that playing with these devices in computer / electronics stores, while helpful for overall feel, is the last thing you want to do to get a good sense of screen clarity / brightness.
These devices are pawed and prodded all day long - the very bright flourescent lights too not helping matters - and I find that the reality can often be significantly different from the scratched, smudged demo model on display.
Just my .02
RE: CLUX SUX!
What nonsense. I held the NX80 up to the CLUX today and had to move the 80's brightness slider *past* the halfway point before it even began to match the CLUX.
Go hold the CLUX up to the lowest-end color CLIE. That's the "brightness" Sony is giving people on a $700 machine.
No doubt they did it to lengthen battery life. Bugger that. Brighter is always better and let the *user* decide how how down the brightness scale they'll go to lengthen their bettery's life.
Ah, and enjoy the performance that is slower than a Platinum Visor too...
RE: CLUX SUX!
And from my extensive experience with this line of Clie's, I can still confortably say that the screen brightness on the UX 50 is on par with the Clies I have used before which is just fine with me. As for performance, the UX 50 is just as snappy if not faster on many tasks than the NZ 90, such as the Clie Viewer, etc.
Don't think so? Well, it doesn't really matter since in my use of these pdas, it is so and to me, that is all that matters. Perhaps you should let others make up their own minds too and not think you are here to save others from their "mistakes."
RE: CLUX SUX!
RE: UX50 Screen Brightness just fine!
However, it is almost impossible to use without backlighting on.
Jer 23:29
RE: CLUX SUX!
Yet another nitwit who needs "In my opinion" stated somewhere so he can parse reality...
RE: CLUX SUX!
I just saw a *second* CLUX. The one at CUSA must be defective. This second one had a much brighter screen. I could not compare it to a nearby NX80, however, because aside from the CLUX, all of the other demos PDAs were uncharged.
This kind of ^%$# happened to me when I first saw the hp 221x. The first one had a *very* bad screen -- subsequent looksees in other stores revealed that the first one was clearly defective.
Yet another quirk: You can use Pg Up/Dwn in Netfront (blue key plus PgUp/Dwn) -- but you cannot use the left/right arrow keys similarly. You have to reach for the stylus! Doesn't anyone actually *try* these things before sending them to final production?!
RE: CLUX SUX!
Anyway, I think screen brightness is way over emphasized. Of course, I would like every screen to be as bright and vibrant as the HP 1910. But, in the real world as long as it is as bright as a Clie SJ 30 or so, all the rest is gravy.
I think the manufacturers could stop wasting much effort on brighter and concentrate most on battery life, resolution, standards for the widest variety of good software (something the UX just tosses into the toilet again!) and other things.
Overall, I agree the CLIFTY ain't so nifty.
RE: CLUX SUX!
>>Decision list is now:
>>1) NX80 with CF WiFi
2) TT3 (3, not 2) with SD WiFi or Enfora WiFi portfolio
>>3) wait for mythical "T770" from Sony -- although
>>if that has WiFi included, the scren will probably
>>be as miserably DIM DIM DIM as the CLUX...
Honestly, I'd say wait for #2. The NX80v is only good if you want the 1.3 MP camera and few features only the 80 provides. Otherwise, it is severely overpriced. Take it from a user (me). #2 seems small, compact, good screen and specs, and Wifi will be a month later. #3 won't happen. Ever. I called this a year ago.
>>Sorry, Mike Cane is the last guy I'm going to look
>>to for an honest assesment about anything. I'll
>>trust my own reviews thank you.
Sorry, Mike Cane is the FIRST guy you should look to for an honest assessment of (especially) this device. I see him as a guy who has a stat sheet of stuff he wants with little room for compensation. Probably the reason his current Palm is two years old (am I right?). From what I've seen, he wants a good processor/RAM, good HVGA screen, and Wifi. If they can't do this, it fails. He's even surprised me as being one of the first people admitting the H2215 screen is sub-par after anticipating it for so long - a thing people are STILL too afraid to do in fear of excessive crow ingestion.
>>Wow, I'm really going to take seriously some
>>imbecile whose handle is a fekkin BRAND NAME.
Mike, do me ONE favor? Next time an 'imbecile' smacks you in the face, respond in a half-decent way? I'm not asking for decent, I'm asking for half-decent. Might make people not hate you as much. Try it?
>>What people here forget is that you would *never*
>>see this kind of discussion on one of the PPC
>>Thought Nazi sites. Over there, *every* PPC is out
>>of Lake Woebegon: "above average."
ALL PPC sites rate every PPC as 'above average'. Find me one that doesn't and I will seriously consider becoming a regular there.
>>Cane: You typically make outrageous comments that
>>have that rare and unfortunate mix of arrogance and ignorance.
What some call arrogance, others call humor.
>>These devices are pawed and prodded all day long -
>>the very bright flourescent lights too not helping
>>matters - and I find that the reality can often be
>>significantly different from the scratched, smudged
>>demo model on display.
Very true! I know my NX80v takes on a hideous blue tint while in excessive flourescent lighting. Without that, it's perfectly crisp.
>>Yet another quirk: You can use Pg Up/Dwn in
>>Netfront (blue key plus PgUp/Dwn) -- but you cannot
>>use the left/right arrow keys similarly. You have
>>to reach for the stylus! Doesn't anyone actually
>>*try* these things before sending them to final production?!
Bingo. #2 problem with my NX. #1 being the lack of Bluetooth, and this being the lack of an integrated D-Pad. SIDE SCROLLING IS THE WORST.
Alright, I'm done. I'll post my quick judgement of the UX in a day or two when I get around to driving to BB.
-Bosco
RE: CLUX SUX!
Why shouldn't I admit it?!
I would have seen a *third* one yesterday as well, but the place (Circuit City!) didn't have it charged.
I hate these screen variations. I'm used to seeing them in the PPC world (along with variations in functional bugs!), but I haven't come across it in the PalmOS world til the CLUX...
I still can't see why people hate the keyboard.
RE: CLUX SUX!
What if they are getting ready for that T770 and want to use the same screen (to save money and get the T770 price down to Zire 71 level) and still leave room for the camera at the top and buttons at the bottom.
All less than the size of an HP1910....
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Yeah, I know. I'm dreaming.
Voice Recorder...
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RE: Benchmark?
RE: Benchmark?
Although I must say that there were two video clips that were made *by* the CLUX on it (in RAM, no MStick needed, hooray!) and even enlarging them to full screen (or nearly so), they played very smoothly -- but there were very low-res.
RE: Benchmark?
RE: Benchmark?
RE: Benchmark?
I played with the CLUX some more. That new Launcher is still just very confusing. You can go back to standard view, however (I wish Palm would offer Small Icon view!).
I still like the keyboard. Still hate the screen.
RE: Benchmark?
RE: Benchmark?
And how exactly does the CPU "know" at which speed to run? No doubt some added code devs must add...
... and someone mentioned the glacial speed of the CLIE Flash demo earlier. I looked that that too -- and he's right!
RE: Benchmark?
Too late!
But dang it took Sony forever to get these machines over to this country...
More overpriced suckerware from Sony
DemoMobile is next week. If they don't come to their senses and announce new, more sensible (and affordable) products like a T3 and Zire 71 (non slider/non flip screen) competitors, we can write off Sony for good. HP and Palm will consume their 11% marketshare, and Sony can go back to doing what it does best; making expensive televisions.
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RE: More overpriced suckerware from Sony
While this is very true, don't forget that you can't "pocket" ANY of the current laptops--let alone laptops in the price range of a UX-50.
Yes, it's VERY expensive, but the form factor and feature set is almost EXACTLY what I'm looking for.
Now, to find a way to sell my NX70V and find enough cash to make up the difference!
Form Factor Test
Sony spits out new products so fast, I am beginning to believe that they do it to use sales figures to hone in on finding the best form factor.
RE: Form Factor Test
By releasing only high-end (high priced) products that appeal to niche buyers? Seems to defeat the purpose doesn't it?
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RE: Form Factor Test
Oh stop. They still have cheeep CLIEs.
I just wish they'd give us a "T770"!
RE: Form Factor Test
Oh please! Sony's low and mid-range lines are a joke. The SJ22 is nothing more than last year's SJ30 (wow, they really put a lot of thought into that product). SJ33? Give me a break. For $250 (originally $299) I get an ugly, fat, fingerprint magnet that offers no new functionality and is based on geriatric hardware. Ooh...Dragonball processors and 16MB of RAM for just under $300? What a freakin bargain. Too bad PalmOne is kicking their ass with a REAL product (Zire 71) which happens to be the hottest selling handheld on the market. What has Sony's answer been? Expensive handhelds designed for elitists. At a time when other PDA vendors are offering more for less, Sony is raising the roof on product pricing. Insane. No wonder they are losing marketshare. I expect them to announce new products next week at DemoMobile. If they don't offer replacements for the current low/mid range lines, Sony will be crushed under the weight of PalmOne this holiday season.
I agree with you on the mythical T770. The TG50 was a flop. It should be apparent to any company in the PDA market that we want a traditional pad form factor with full sized screen (VG). We'll see if Sony delivers, but knowing their unrealistic pricing policies, I expect them to fully milk us for all we're worth. Watch them price it at $599 or more, even while PalmOne prices their product (T3) for just $399.
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RE: Form Factor Test
Will you get a grip already?! You're comparing a Sony that's been out for quite some time to a newer Palm! Some idea of fairness!
And although those squat units are ugly to you and me, there are many people out there who have bought them.
What I can't understand is why the hell that atrocious stylus hasn't been a deal-killer...
RE: Form Factor Test
Duh! That's my point, smartass. Sony should have replaced this product by now, which they haven't. It is a fair comparison.
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RE: Form Factor Test
RE: Form Factor Test
Sorry, the Zire 71 was announced in late April of this year, the Sony SJ33 in February. The prices were the same and right now, the SJ is selling (very poorly as it ought to for the uncompetitive feature set) for just below $200 most places. The Zire 71 is selling for about $270 most places, though I have seen the Zire brand new at Amazon for $250 with $50 gift card good on any purchace at Amazon AND the $50 rebate for your old PDA trade-in meant a bottom line of just $150 for a couple of weeks there.
I just don't see how the UX is going anywhere. But, I been wrong before.
RE: Form Factor Test
On the plus side, according to my sources, which are about as reliable as a drunk forecasting the weather, there should be some new products introduced at DemoMobile. We'll see if that turns out to be the case or not. It makes sense since Sony did slash prices on some models, particularly the SJ33 and TG50.
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RE: Form Factor Test
But how I hope the new models have REAL styli!
quirk
mostly this QUIRK...for filling out forms like the address book, on this as other Sony PDA's with keyboards, you have to touch the screen to get to the next field, so if i was filling out the last name i would then have to touch the first name field to the key in the name, where on the Tungsten | C i can just use the cross pad & arrow down. To me this defeats the purpose of the keyboard if i have to lift my hand a way & touch the screen, for me i might as well just use graffiti ! [just like the change from graffiti to graffiti 2, inefficient ! change from 1 stoke to 2 (though i know it b/c of patent issues, but ...) ]
besides that here's my pro/con first impressions [though i'll probably stop back to CompUSA before the week's through].
Con/
-menu system to frilly, i think they'd be better off giving the user the ability to skin & put backgrounds on
-the jog wheel is a good idea but its implementation didn't seem as good.
-their preloaded flash demo crawled at a snails pace not sure if they did the demo speed intentially [i assume they did] or it doesn't work well. but i don't think there really is any performance issues with the rest of the progams, the video worked well even at full screen for what i shot in the store. now taking a kinoma movie & trying would be a better test.
Pro/
-i'm impressed at how light it is
-features, it has them all
-the landscape view, i really didn't miss portrait mode like i though i might. infact, i thought the device fit well in my hand
I want one ! well kinda... though i think maybe a Tapwave has my name on it. [see you all sept.17 on tapwave.com ;-) ]
-painted dog
RE: quirk
RE: quirk
Whatever Happen to Sony to Release WiFi Memory Stick
760 with 32meg upgrade is fine, but I'd like WIFI on my unit.
Does anyone know what happen to the Sony WIFI MS introduced at CeBit2003. I'm sure there are a lot
of users who would consider buy this rather than upgrading.
RE: Whatever Happen to Sony to Release WiFi Memory Stick
of users who would consider buy this rather than upgrading."
BINGO!
You answered your own question.
Sony can't have users just buying a MS wifi card and not buying their new, fancy 700usd machines! Why, They'd go outta business or something ;)
RE: Whatever Happen to Sony to Release WiFi Memory Stick
Saw one @ Fry's, thought about buying, then...
I don't play video games very much, but I plan on buying the Zodiac for the screen, OS, processor and expansion. I currently own an HE 330 and the ability to run programs faster, have color, keep data on the cards [I hope they have an AutoCard-like program] and use a peripheral and memory at the same time.
Just me.
RE: Saw one @ Fry's, thought about buying, then...
I'm currently using a he330 too. best palm ever. I'll probably be getting a ozdiac 128meg also :D
but nothing can be the he330 in terms of expansion.
RE: Saw one @ Fry's, thought about buying, then...
I still can't believe that HE never got that color model out. I think they could have been a huge success.
Alas.
RE: Saw one @ Fry's, thought about buying, then...
But it is showing its age. The lack of color limits text viewing. The processor is painfully slow. The OS features are limiting and add-ons are limited by the processor speed.
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