Comments on: Pre Pitted Against Evo in Detailed Comparison

Peep this one. It's encouraging to see Android FINALLY "growing up" with support for all of the latst/critical codecs & formats.

I haven't tested this one out yet on my Droid but I've grabbed the .apk to play with later. I'll let you know how it goes.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/06/21/rockplayerbase-allows-you-to-play-a-whole-host-of-video-files-on-your-android-device/

My advice to get yer Android fix? Skip this generation of PMPs and tablets. Instead, pick up a Moto Droid cheap in a month or two when the Droid 2 arrives and everyone starts dumping the D1. You can use it in permanent airplane mode (yes wi-fi & BT will work with the CDMA radio disabled) as a wi-fi tablet without ever having to have a single kb of Verizon data flowing through it after easily bypassing the initial Droid activation screen (unlike WebOS).

Or look for a cheap Droid or Droid Eris with a bad ESN--you don't need to activate it!
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If you a thirtysomething (or older) who came of age with Palm OS (or Newton or anything from that era), then you likely place great value on PIM functionality and might think Android is devoid of substance (which it essentially is).

Palm regressed going from Garnet to WebOS but they're still ahead of the competition in the PIM field. I'm on Android now (but would have made the Pre plunge had VZW gotten it before the Droid last year) and will likely grudgingly put up with it for another year while eagerly watching to see what HP does with WebOS.

For now, it's nice to have such "modern" niceties as a >1.3mp camera, near-DVD quality video capture, a big high-res screen, >4GB memory card support, fantastic "free" Google Maps navigation, honest to goodness accurate voice dialing, search, dictation and a super web browser. But my Centro or TX are always a few feet away on my desk for quickly recalling names, addresses, and events.
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The merits of Vanilla Android, NinjaBlur, or Sense are all up for debate, so I won't go there.

Oh yeah, how can I forget...physical buttons instead of those overly sensitive capacitive ones. And Droid X has some of the best looking camera phone images I've ever seen...certainly the best ones from any device I'd want to actually own (not some clunky, overpriced dumbphone with a digicam lens grafted onto its backside!):

http://phandroid.com/2010/06/22/look-at-these-pictures-taken-with-my-canon-reb-i-mean-droid-x/

But NO full Flash 10 and NO Froyo at launch! Fail? Not quite but pretty damn disappointing! My personal move would be to grab one of these on a 1yr contract and see how the LTE/WiMax thing shakes out as well as what HP/Palm bring to the table.
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LMAO!!! I don't carry around collections. A portable device has to be able to do real-life video files, not frikkin limited MP4 and 3GP.

And HP/Palm now have to do something that makes *this* new Android tablet look like utter crap:

Huawei S7. Complete Android Tablet. Forgotten Video. Unbelievable Price
http://carrypad.com/2010/06/24/huawei-s7-complete-android-tablet-forgotten-video-unbelievable-price/

And Gekko, at least people know somewhat *where* I live. What turnpike is your cardboard box under again?

I'm very, very seriously considering switching to Sprint/Evo. I love the speed and Sense & the value proposition of Sprint service vs. Verizon.

I've got Jorte on my Droid and it still has some quirks but it's at least a step in the right direction.

Couple questions:

1. Have you used wi-fi much on the Evo? Any of the problems w/ poor reception others have complained about online?

2. Any issues with the glass separating from the body like some have reported?

3. How's your battery life been thus far? How's the WiMax coverage in your area?
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1. i haven't used WIFI a lot and from a super far distance from a router. when i did use it it was fine. house, cafe shop, etc. was fine.

2. 4G/WIMAX is good in my area but i never turn it on because i don't need to. why would i? web pages render so fast on this thing and downloads are so fast with normal 3G. 4G is a battery hog and again 3G is so fast i can't tell any difference. i did turn 4G on for all of my HOTSPOT uses though (because that's the only way you can get the free HOTSPOT trial - using 4G) and the 4G was great. my guess is that you can really feel the difference of 3G vs. 4G using a laptop/netbook vs. using a smartphone.

i really love this phone and have zero complaints.

My other accesories - iphone headset snd Sprint OEM chargers.

"Personal organizer must be practical. And it must be good appearance." You may well think these when you look for personal organizer in stationery shop.

There have never been more practical schedule management application in mobile terminal than paper organizer.

This personal organizer application "Jorte" is pursued to have a look and feel of real paper personal organizer, design to be both good appearance and practical use.

We think practical use as primary thing. Once you touch this application, You would feel "Oh, I want to use this!"

http://www.jorte.net/english/index.html

i wonder how concerned the girl was with some creepy old guy who looks like a sex offender ogling her on the ferry.

if i was dead set on getting raped by Verizon every month - i'd get the HTC Incredible.

Note to self, future self, and general population: Reserving an iPhone for in-store pickup is NOT the fast way to get a new iPhone.

At least it wasn't this morning in New York, where I just spent SIX HOURS waiting in line for an iPhone 4.

Why did I do it? Because Apple insisted that in-store pickup reservations would only last today.

And because the first half of the line seemed to go by in just an hour! For whatever reason, the last half seemed to take five times as long.

Apple's retail employees tried to make it comfortable with bottles of water, ice cream, and fresh fruit. But in 90-degree heat, it was NOT FUN.

At least you can re-live it with me in 60 seconds!

http://www.businessinsider.com/my-excellent-six-hour-iphone-4-adventure-2010-6

I'm in no hurry to see the iPhone 4. There were lines for frikkin weeks for the 3GS. There will be lines for weeks for the frikkin iPhone 4. Next!

mikecane wrote:
DOH!! I'd forgotten there were different models of the Pre now. The one I saw lacked the white bottom button of the original model. So was this a Verizon one?

See, Mike, we do talk about non-phone devices here sometimes. Above is a reasonable overview of the various 'me too' Android tablets making the rounds.

P.S. I already know more iPhone 4 owners personally than the total sum of WebOS AND Android users I know (past and present WebOS users at that!)

From Nov '09-Jan '10: Moto Droid

From Jan '10-March '10: Nexus One

From March '10-May '10: HTC Droid Incredible

From May '10-July '10: HTC Evo 4G

From July '10-?: Moto Droid X

Just waiting in the wings we have a slew of Samsung Galaxy S/Vibrant devices (with and without keyboards) as well as the Droid 2, HTC Vision (dual core!) and a rumored Droid Pro for year-end. Plus the rumored Moto Tegra device running @ 2ghz! I predict that holiday 2010 is going to be an absolute zoo with the last of the great 3G devices being released. Then next year we will see the major '4G' and '4G-like speeds" push from all of the carriers & handset manufacturers.

The pace of evolution of Android-based hardware (but not as much the OS) is absolutely astounding. In all honesty, we may start seeing more carriers offer permanent "2 year contract w/ 1yr early device upgrade" but we'll still end up paying the subsidy one way or another (either through tiered data usage plans or through evil "Evo" fees every month. $10 here, $10 there, and your $2,400 for two years of service will suddenly start approaching $3k.
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rpa, Hong Kong is a gadget paradise! My ship stopped there in '66 returning from Vietnam and even back then the stores were full of neat electronics.

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For those of you in the States, the solution:

Virgin Mobile To Offer Prepaid 3G MiFi
http://ipadtest.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/virgin-mobile-to-offer-prepaid-3g-mifi/

Eh. Think of that as $2/day instead of the frikkin whopping $60/month it is. (It really should be $1/day, $30/month.)

That list of coming Android phones reminds me of a former frenzy: that of Pocket PC. Every other week another company was announcing a PPC. Hell, everyone drooled over one coming from JVC(!!!). Then they all dried the hell up. The cell market is far larger, but I think a kind of fatigue or Paradox of Choice speedbump is going to happen and there will be much money lost and many devices gone. So be careful what you choose, if you go Android: you could wind up with a fast orphan.

I'm still ashamed of myself for once getting excited over a Fujitsu PPC only available in Europe. The entire PPC thing was fraudulent. It was never as good as the fanboys touted it to be -- which is why I never trust fanboys these days. Even you, abosco, you iPhone-pusher. This despite the fact I know the iPhone *is* mostly as good as everyone has said (I can't say it *is* unless I owned one and stomped on that battery life for myself).

I'm prepared to Android one more try with an uber-device (Droid X or Evo) and then I'lll determine if I am going to try and stick it out with the platform for the long haul. If not, I'll go back to Garnet for another year or so until we see the first real fruits of the HP + Palm tie-up.

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That's one of the main reasons people dump windows for a Mac ;-)
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OMG i saw my first Palm Pre yesterday. was in the deep South on vacation and heard that infamous horrendous tinkerbell Pre ringtone and i looked around for the poor bastard. 13+ months later and this is how is all ends.

p.p.s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnPB76mjxI

I'm done having to spend hours each week having to customize my electronics because it never fully gets me to where I want. The iPhone just works with literally everything now - my car insurance, investments, credit cards, PIM, movies, GPS, ESPN, etc etc etc. I spend very little time in the "Settings" app on my phone, and that's the way it should be. My phone serves me, not the other way around. Thus, I'm not buying a beta product from Google or Microsoft.

A new Evo OTA update just came out this morning. Have you installed it yet? Any specific or noticable improvements that you have seen? Also, how did the Evo do while traveling? Did you even turn on WiMax while you were vacationing?

I'm still on the fence but I am definitely eagerly anticiating fondling the Evo and Droid X side by side.

My advice is to pack up all of that antiquated garbage you own now - tx's, treos, centro, droid 1, and throw them all into the trash. Go out and get the EVO asap (IF YOU CAN FIND ONE-DOUBTFUL). You deserve to have a phone like this. It does it alll. Just get it.

720p or 1080p? LCD or Plasma?
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Mike Cane says:
TV is noisy. Most movies are noisy. I'd rather read is why.

Kris, it's a 1080p plasma. Advantage is true blacks and very high refresh rates, great for fast action and games. Disadvantage is it's a glass screen so it's heavier and has more glare than LCDs. Screen burn-in can be seen, but it's only temporary and the TV comes with utilities to clear it. LCDs are still a few hundred more expensive. At the time that I was looking, a 50" Samsung plasma was $1000, while a 46" Samsung 120Hz LCD was $1500. It seemed like an easy choice.

Smartphones have made people increasingly dull. I've brought this up before, but the next time you're with a group of people, pay attention to the conversation. Someone will start talking about their phone in less than an hour. When I inevitably get someone to start annoying me with irrelevant shit about their Droid, it's always the same story. More MPx, more processor speed, blah blah blah. Dude, go away. I don't buy Apple's ads, so you shouldn't buy the "Droid Does" bullshit. Also, I've slept with a woman before. That is usually a trump card against Android users.

our little boy's all grown up! he's all grown up!

Aldiko has nothing to worry about...at least at this point in the game. It's much, much more polished than Kindle for Android. In fact, the Kindle app has the decidedly unpolished touch of having you exit the app and launch the brower to "complete" the transaction. It's not bad, just slows things down a bit and is sort of a jarring transition.

I was also disappointed by the inability to search for all of the "free" Kindle books. Score another biggie for Aldiko! I'm really quite content to read my existing library of DRM-free ebooks and catch up with the occasional public domain classic.
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our little boy's all grown up! he's all grown up!

I was trying to find that Married With Children clip on YouTube of Bud Bundy having a girl sleep over in the basement. She was nervous the next morning and he said, "Nah, I have girls over all the time." They go upstairs to leave and his family threw him a surprise party for having his first girl ever sleepover.

Oh yeah, that's another problem that has plagued my Droid since it was new (and that's the first I've heard about iPhone 4 problems in that area). Not sure if I have a bum unit but other Android users i've spoken with (not just Droid) have complained of wildly inaccurate proximity sensors. That is, a call comes in while you are talking and YOU CANNOT ANSWER THE INCOMING CALL BECAUSE THE SCREEN REMAINS BLANK! Somtimes (not always) tapping the power button brings the screen back to life. Having a clean screen devoid of screen protectors doesn't make a bit of difference. That kind of bug is horribly annoying and reminds me of a Treo 700p-style quirk circa 2006. Absolutely unacceptable in this day & age!

I'm expecting MAJOR improvements from Android 3.0 but I now fear I fear it'll only increase the fragmentation.....but perhaps that's the price we're gonna hafta pay for absolute bleeding-edge specs!?!

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Countdown to you dropping the i4 and shattering that chi-chi glass back -- as Ihnatko (sp?) did just *ten hours* after he bought his. Damn, Apple better not put a glass back on the next iPod Touch!

STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY THREADS!

E-T

Listen, your typing freak, I'm not the one here displaying his intergalactic psychosis for the world to see. NOW STAY THE HELL OUT OF HERE.

-''Free'' mobile hotspot functionality ( a biggie, though who knows how long it'll last)
-No silly 2GB data cap limits
-Better coverage throughout most of the USA, especially in rural areas
-Cheaper when buying in-store (VZ corporate or BB)

AT&T Pre Pros:
-Better hardware build quality + better slider response
-Better keyboard with greater key response
-Global capable on other GSM networks
-Potential for higher-speed data when AT&T starts rolling HSPA+ (max of 3.6Mbps? Is that close enough to called 3.5G?)
-Potential for slightly cheaper monthly service from AT&T if you are not a power user.

It really comes down to whether or not you need mobile wi-fi hotspot functionality or if you are a global traveler. Otherwise, stick to whichever network you feel most loyal to. And the AT&T Pre Plus' improved hardware doesn't hurt its chances at all.

I've used Android (on the original droid) and while it seems to be the OS with the brighter future than WebOS, its still a bit rough around the edges. The only implementation of it that I like is the HTC's Sense UI, so that limits me to EVO (hi Gekko) and Incredible. I'm leaning towards the EVO for the sheer screen size.

That being said WebOS has something about it that I like that I can't explain. Its more polished and the multi tasking is great. That tiny screen is killer, but at the same time this being a second device, the smaller size is a plus.

I will have to fondle both the VZW and ATT versions. VZW (due to network and covering a network I don't have) has the advantage. I'm also thinking that if they cancel the free hotspot offer, that would constitute change of contract and allow me to break out of it early without ETF.

Cheers

DM

Gekko wrote:

i had an epiphany tonight that might help some of you. i wanted quick, easy, seamless integration "one stop shopping" of my Contacts, Calendar, and Gmail on my PC. on the PC - up until now - i was using Thunderbird for Gmail, Firefox for Web Surfing, and i had no easy Contacts and Calendar PC solution except for using Firefox to just browse to it. this was all fragmented and slow and clumsy. coming from Palm Desktop i wanted something quick, easy, and integrated (although Palm Desktop didn't have email - i had to use Outlook Express in the past).

anyway - here is my EVO/Android Desktop/PC solution -

1. Ditch Firefox, Explorer, Outlook, Thunderbird. ditch them all.
2. Download and Install and Use the Chrome Browser exclusively.
3. Download and Install these 3 Chrome Extensions -
A. Google Calendar Checker
B. Google Contacts
C. Google Mail Checker

now you will have ONE app and one interface to surf the web and quick and easy access/notifications to check email, access contacts, and access your calendar. if you have multiple accounts, just have Chrome remember your usernames and passwords and it's an easy click to jump back and forth between each account.

this all in one solution is working great so far and i'd like to hear any ideas to improve it.

thanks.

http://forum.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=197923#post197923

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can't you dinosaurs see the beauty of this?

>>>>Speaking of backup, has anyone used the storage on their phone as an external HDD for their PC data? A few phones have up to 32GB of storage which could be useful for critical files or files needed on the road. Just asking....

unlike you dinosaurs i do it all OTA via FTP. i have Filezilla installed on my Home Netbook and my Work Laptop. i have a "Local Folder" with critical folders on each. i FTP that "Local Folder" to 2 different secure FTP Server Sites every now and again. when i want access to those files or ADD to that folder I CAN DO IT WIRELESSLY FROM ANY DEVICE OR PC IN THE WORLD. i'm not fu***king with USB wires or swapping SD cards. on the EVO i use an App called "AndFTP". Docs To Go on EVO helps out too.

Filezilla on Work LaptopFTP Server Storage
Filezilla on Home NetbookFTP Server Storage
AndFTP on EVOFTP Server Storage

you guys really need to step out of the Stone Age!!!!!!!!!

can't you see the beauty of this????????????