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webos printer by HP During HP's earnings conference call today, HP CEO Mark Hurd spoke a bit on the Palm acquisition and some of HP plans for its new assets. During his opening remarks he mentions a bit about how HP will utilize webOS saying (via CNET) also tweeted by HP:

"In order to enhance our intellectual property...in the connected-mobility space. We expect to leverage webOS into a variety of form factors, including slates and Web-connected printers, [] "With a whole series of Web-connected printers, as they connect to the Web, they need an OS."

HP's Todd Bradley already strongly hinted at webOS on tablet like devices from the beginning saying HP would "invest heavily" in webOS technology. In the financial department, HP had an impressive second quarter with net revenue of $30.8 billion, up 13%, or $3.5 billion, from a year earlier with strong double digit growth across all regions.

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Printers?

mikecane @ 5/18/2010 5:13:08 PM # Q
People still use ... paper?

Well, I guess this could work, but geez, lower the price of that ink, HP. It's been calculated it goes for like $5,000 per gallon!

RE: Printers?
vetdoctor @ 5/18/2010 7:13:56 PM # Q
Lower the price? Where 'd you think they got 1.6 billion to toss at a failing company ?
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RE: Printers?
hkklife @ 5/18/2010 7:19:52 PM # Q
Quote & reply of the year!!

Mike, you of all folks should know the ol' "lure 'em in with the cheap razors/printers & make a mint on the overpriced blades/ink" is the oldest trick in the book!

For starters, I'll just be happy to see HP release less bloated 'n buggy Windows printer drivers and change to some new corporate branding. That garish, spindly, swirling font looks like it was taken from the cover of a Harry Potter novel and needs to go ASAP!

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RE: Printers?
jca666us @ 5/18/2010 7:44:46 PM # M Q
forget webos on printers - epson and canon make better printers anyway.

webos tablet should be good.

RE: Printers?
LiveFaith @ 5/18/2010 9:51:17 PM # Q
HP ... Just leave the Palm team ALONE! Do not bring ANYBODY from your ridiculous software division over to mingle or manage. If you do, then Palm becomes the new Compaq.

Simply have one of your software division bureaucrats give the WebOS codemonkeys all the interface architecture. Hold a few meetings to determine deadlines. Then get your Jornadas and get the HPll outta the way. You'll finally get some intuitive printers that can consistently communicate with the host device.

BTW, throw in VGA OLEDs on our $69 deskjet too. :-D
Pat Horne

RE: Printers?
treo007 @ 5/18/2010 10:19:18 PM # Q
Yea, my thoughts exactly. Printers? What the.....

I have never looked at the screen on my printer. Not once in 3 years.

Bizarre.....

RE: Printers?
jca666us @ 5/19/2010 3:33:29 AM # Q
hp needs some way to differentiate their printers from their competitors.

Here's a hint HP - work on improving the print quality!

RE: Printers?
richf @ 5/19/2010 5:19:36 AM # Q
Who the hell prints stuff off the web? This is one example of where webos doesn't need to go. How about hp works on getting rid of some of the junk software when you set up one of their printers. Another area to improve is making their software work better with apple machines. Their software is the slowest, buggyest software on the planet. Not everyone wants a forty nine dollar printer.
Let hp go back to the goal of their founders, excellence and quality.
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RE: Printers?
LiveFaith @ 5/19/2010 6:30:06 AM # Q
While I love the fact that Palm / WebOS has the financial backing to allow it to succeed, I fear that this could be the ultimate demise of "Palm" as we knew / know it. HP can "absorb" Palm into oblivion over the years, doing us the favor that they did with the iPaq team. Just imagine the new HP Jornada II running WebOS, overseen by the current regime of HP software division leaders. That should put Palm firmly in the history books.
Pat Horne
RE: Printers?
jca666us @ 5/19/2010 8:39:56 AM # M Q
Success is not a foregone conclusion.

"While I love the fact that Palm / WebOS has the financial backing to allow it to succeed..."

Change "Succeed" to "Continue"

RE: Printers?
mikecane @ 5/19/2010 10:15:30 AM # Q
>>>Lower the price? Where 'd you think they got 1.6 billion to toss at a failing company ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

RE: Printers?
richf @ 5/19/2010 12:06:18 PM # Q
Fellas better resign yourselves to the fact the Palm name is going to disappear. Hp is on an ego trip and will not allow it to survive. My only salvation is that the hardware and software will survive and thrive as the quality products I purchased when the Packard brothers were still on the earth. The Hewletts may have been around too, not sure.
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RE: Printers?
Gekko @ 5/19/2010 1:19:35 PM # Q

all of you fools waiting for some super HP/Palm device i want you to immediately go over to the nearest HP printer or laptop or other device you can find. look at the hardware. look at the software. welcome back to reality.


RE: Printers?
hkklife @ 5/19/2010 1:41:28 PM # Q
HP's bottom-feeder Pavilion consumer-oriented PCs (desktops, laptops, netboos) are all rubbish. Loaded with bloatware, garish styling, and poor build quality. So are their consumer-oriented printers with their accompanying bloated, buggy drivers. I remember HP having issues with USB ports on printer well into the XP era and advising customers with printers that had parallel & USB ports to use the more reliable parallel interface. Anyone remember HP's very short-lived TV line? Those were some real stinkers! Almost as bad as Dell & Gateway's forays into the flat panel business.

HP's business & enterprise line, however, is an entirely different animal. I recently had the pleasure of using an recent HP Elitebook ultraportable and it was a true pleasure. Right up with the best of the Thinkpads & higher-end VAIOs. It didn't run hot, had study hinges, and a nice, responsive keyboard.


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RE: Printers?
Gekko @ 5/19/2010 1:49:04 PM # Q

i use an HP enterprise laptop and printers at work. boring, uninspired, runs hot, and clunky, clumsy, bloatware are the first words that come to mind.

BTW - go to your local Best Buy and see if they have any EVO dummy models in yet. my local BB had a few in and i compared the EVO to the Incredible and there was no comparison in terms of display size. i thought they were comparable being 4" vs. 4.3" but they are not. the EVO blows the Incredible away. what surprised me so much was not really the length but the width. the Incredible display is downright tiny compared to the EVO. EVO is all display and little bezel so you get a lot of display with not that big of a phone.


RE: Printers?
Gekko @ 5/19/2010 1:53:00 PM # Q

my bad - Incredible display is 3.7" vs. EVO 4.3". the real world difference - especially the width - is astonishing. go check it out.

RE: Printers?
mikecane @ 5/19/2010 4:13:08 PM # Q
Peasants. HP upped the game when they entered netbooks and theirs are still upper-tier for build quality. Prior to HP, they were made of crap plastic. HP brought in the sleek metal with some flash design and adult-finger-friendly keyboards.
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3D Currency

e_tellurian @ 5/18/2010 11:11:53 PM # Q
Paper and metal we be used to make we-com virtual wallets. In the future will paper be used less for currency? In future will metal be used less for currency? In the future will we-com virtual wallets use metal in their architecture?

Currently we have digital currency though it is still not legal tender. Interac was designed to replace cheques and is a form of digital currency that one can not see.

The Jetsons era was not as advanced in commerce as we are though they did have flying cars and robots.

The future is very exciting and getting more people excited about the future is fun too.

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RE: 3D Currency
e_tellurian @ 5/18/2010 11:30:20 PM # Q
People like DocT (Tim) at http://www.diyngo.org/ are working thoughtfully to share knowledge with other cultures and some at PIC were asked to help and some volunteered to help. Trade With Out Boarders (TWOB) can help diyngo.org move whole continents into the 21st century and beyond.

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RE: 3D Currency
e_tellurian @ 5/20/2010 12:05:56 PM # Q
Thinking if everything goes according to plan 2011 would be the start date for doing more with we-com virtual wallet thoughts. By 2011 10 years of our lives would have been invested in peace in the desert and trade can resume with our trade partners. Some wonder why we are waiting till 2011? It is because this initiative will be quite costly and one does not want to take resources out of the economy that are needed to sustain the peace. Once the war is over then the resources will be available to do more innovative things. War is a consequence it is not a business. Some can not profit in times of war as consequence no one i know chooses war. The cost of assuring the blood spill is contained and peace restored has been horrendous. One would think that with such an investment new trade partners would form that can offer the planet more than opium and training terrorists or starting wars.

The sad reality is while people were scheming to go to war and training terrorists others were thinking of peaceful ways to trade. That trade resides in the minds of those that shared their thoughts. We will simply continue to build on our thoughts when the rest of our crew is home again.

3D currency, naturally digital, can follow none 3D digital currency. This offers people more work and enhances our advanced economy. As mentioned before we can show what digital currency would look like we have that today. What we do not have is a we-com virtual wallet.

Some want everything in one device and some see the value in two devices. One for our wallet and the rest. We-com virtual wallets will interact with other choice this will help people that do not want to lose their valued content. If everything is in one and it is lost then time is lost and money is lost. A we-com virtual wallet communicating with other devices will assure neither can get lost or left behind.

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RE: 3D Currency
e_tellurian @ 5/20/2010 9:50:21 PM # Q
Does digital currency require a standard? Can one call debit digital cash when it was designed to offer an alternative4 to cheques? Is digital currency defined by a visual of actual currency in digital format?

Some are already using digital currency in their marketing when they are really offering digital cheques. Digital currency can me transfered from person to person and acts just like analog currency in every way. Digital cheques can not be transfered from person to person without a debit card machine. Mobile debit cards exist however one must have a merchant account. Digital cash transaction do not require a debit machine just the ability to transfer digital currency from one device to the next ... true digital currency is not digital cheques. Debit transaction are not digital cash they are digital cheques.

Any thoughts?

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RE: 3D Currency
e_tellurian @ 5/21/2010 4:04:42 PM # Q
Well the Jestsons did not have digital currency they did not even have digital cheques. 3D currency would be way over the top and for people that like to see their cash ... a 3 dimensional view. For people with Bluetooth enabled devices one can transfer digital currency. As mentioned before we need a standard so we can make digital currency legal tender. Who manages our currency? Who has to help make digital currency legal? Every nation in the world could have digital currency. There are 195 countries in the world with their own currency and artisans of currency. Canada, USA and EU has one currency. Perhaps those countries are good place to start? The people of those nations own their currency so it would be up to the people to decide if digital currency would become a choice.

What do you think? Would you like digital currency that can trade at the speed of light and sound in and outside the box? Would you like to see your currency in a we-com virtual wallet?

Please share your thoughts too.

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RE: 3D Currency
e_tellurian @ 5/26/2010 9:41:40 AM # Q
To make 3D currency viable will require working with the governments (the people) of the nations that print their money. It seems that we have had one issue after the other. War, unemployment and now a massive oil spill. It is very challenging to move forward with so many other issues that require our time. Innovation seems to get pushed aside as do the ability to create more jobs. It has been over 24 years to get this far with we-com virtual wallet innovation. One can see why it has taken so long distraction upon distraction upon distraction. Many of todays tech. companies did not have so many issues at once when they were starting out.

"That which does not kill you only makes you stronger" - Friedrich Nietzsche

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RE: 3D Currency
e_tellurian @ 5/26/2010 10:05:08 AM # Q
We are almost at the end of the war caused by a hostile act to acquire energy. Just as one oil issue is resolved we have another oil issue by way of a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Is oil getting too expensive? For 3D currency to exist it will need electricity. Some regions of the world at war have an abundant supply of solar energy. This innovative solution can help sustain the peace. Solar energy makes electricity that can help power we-com virtual wallets and 3D currency. Some have also suggested e-motion to create electrical energy. The future is filled with solutions we just have to get there.

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webOS vs. Android

mikecane @ 5/19/2010 10:22:07 AM # Q
Chippy has his hands on that Android-powered Compaq Airlife 100 thing (it's a smartbook but we can't say that because of the Trademark Police).

He did a several-hour live videocast on Ustream yesterday that I attended.

Man, that thing is basically a piece of crap. All of you who think Android has a future outside of phones, go look. See vids linked through at:

http://carrypad.com/2010/05/18/compaq-airlife-100-unboxing-overview-demo/

RE: webOS vs. Android
hkklife @ 5/19/2010 12:27:53 PM # Q
WebOS Pros:

1. (Presumably) Better *EVENTUAL* scalability to non-phone formfactors (Tablets etc). Right now, Android is the winner, simply due to the presence of virtual keyboards and more UI options.

2. Better PIM functionality. It's a huge step back from Garnet but it's still better than any other "next-gen" platform. Garnet still takes the cake in this category. Android's stock PIM features are absolutely atrocious and, in many sheer usability aspects, worse than a 14 year old Pilot 1000. Palm also offers more "standard" apps in every device (memos app etc) and doesn't rely as much on semi-mandatory app downloads from the market.

3. Better multitasking on WebOS due to the card metaphor. Though I must admit, I consider multittasking on a mobile OS mostly a waste of processor cycles & battery power.

3. Better POP/IMAP email (ie non Gmail) support

4. WebOS has a better system for alerts & notifications

5. Better one-handed usage (again, however, not up to par with Garnet).

6. Full backup (supposedly) to the Palm Profile. A gmail "backup" of your Android device just restores contacts/calendar events and apps purchased from the Market.

7. A closed ecosystem leads to (presumably) more stability, compatibility, and guaranteed OS updates.

8.I think the Pre's browser scores a few points higher on the Acid

9. For better or worse, MotionApps Classic is still available and receiving occasional updates. And Palm's migration utility works better than expected and helps "average" users transition from Palm Desktop to the cloud.


Android advantages:

1. It has a FULL, stable, and robust Docs To Go option. WebOS isn't going to get one any time soon unless HP rolls their own solution or throws some big $ at Dataviz

2. Far more apps. Far more free apps. Android has a small handful of absolutely phenomenal killer apps such as Google Maps w/ navigation, Google Earth, ShopSavvy, and Aldiko. I am not aware of any must have WebOS apps along the lines of DtBk6, Splash Data's various products, etc.

3. Google Maps w/ navigation. This is such a killer app it deserves a mention on its own. THE single best reason to have an Android device now. It even shows a street view image of your destination prior to your arrival. And it's FREE on any of the supporting devices. No more lame $10/month for a lame carrier-specific Telenav app. VZW can pull the "free" Hotspot offer from their Pre & Pixi but Google is (presumably) here to offer free turn by turn directions for the forseeable future.

4. Android has a huge variety of devices currently running the OS with hardware choices galore. Want a 4.3" 4G HTC Sense monstrosity? It's there. Want stock Android 2.1 with a 3.7" screen and slide-out keyboard? It's there. Want OLED? Yup. Want a pre-paid or non-phone wi-fi only device? They are here now and/or coming soon. Of course, this is going to fragment the Android market terribly but I highly doubt Google cares much at this stage of the game.

5. I think the Android Webkit browser scores a few points higher on the Acid3 test than does Palm's webkit browser.

6.If you have bought into the whole perpetually in beta Google ecocystem, the newest Android devices (OS 2.0+) have VERY tight integration.

7. This is similar to #4 but Google trumps WebOS in several critical features. It had video recording support for many months prior to WebOS' video recorder addition in 1.4. Android supports voice memos as well well as external AND internal storage volumes. Android also has 4G WiMax support NOW, user-programmable voicemail passwords, and has frighteningly accurate voice dialing, search and now voice dictation. So you can compose a text message while driving by simply speaking our your message.

8. I'm not a huge Gmail fan but at least you can access your Gmail account on any web browser and browse/edit contacts and calendar appointments. If your WebOS device syncs to your Palm profile, your data is backed up but you have no way to check a contact if your WebOS device is broken or got left at home.

9. Android devices do not come with a nightmarish mandatory connection to the cloud. I could buy a CDMA Android device and ship it to a friend overseas and he could bypass the activation menu with 4 quick taps on the touchscreen. Unless something has changed with a recent patch, a WebOS device would require acceses to a Linux machine, all kinds of custom hackers and quite a bit of patience & research. Plus, a WebOS device could very well cease functioning completely if something happened to Palm's servers. I've used my Droid at length in areas with no wireless service at all and it works splendidly as a wi-fi only machine.

10. Android devices with comparable hardware specs to the Pre & Pixi exhibit better performance and far less lag.


BOTH Android & WebOS drop the ball by not support voice dialing over Bluetooth! WTF??? This is 2010, not 2000! I had a Motorola flip dumbphone that had rudimentary voice dialing over BT in 2004 or 2005! This is completely unacceptable in this day & age.

So, in summary, I think that right now Android is the slightly superior platform due to the sheer momentum of the platform, number of apps, and the wide variety & quality of the hardware options. IF HP plays their cards right and pumps a lot of $ into WebOS, that situation can be completely reversed in a year from now. I think HP has a lot more at stake and many more reasons to seriously address WebOS' shortcomings than does the perpetually ADD Google.

Basically, I shall consider the first HP-bred WebOS products the first REAL WebOS devices. The Pre & Pixi WebOS 1.x variants were merely beta devices for a rushed, buggy, unfinished and underwhelming OS.
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Well done

e_tellurian @ 5/19/2010 1:40:43 PM # Q
"Basically, I shall consider the first HP-bred WebOS products the first REAL WebOS devices. The Pre & Pixi WebOS 1.x variants were merely beta devices for a rushed, buggy, unfinished and underwhelming OS." - hkklife

It was a good effort based on their budget and time. No matter how good there is always room for improvement. It was so good that HP bought the company that says much about their effort.

Big budget = big results. The future is limitless with imagination and will.

Well done.

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Where was Palm

richf @ 5/21/2010 5:43:49 AM # Q
I am going to give you guys a link that I think could be mind boggling. GM has chosen Android to go with the Volt car coming out this year. Think about this, everyone with a Volt car could use this to better use their car. What if Palm had been in this hunt? What a boost that would have been. Detroit is only half way across the country. Couldn't Palm have been banging on GM's door? Right now this is pretty quiet but there is a tremendous potential link to this. I think Palm missed the boat on this one, again. Also, if Palm thinks about this there are several other car manufacturers and they have not committed yet.
Here's the link, what do you think...http://jkontherun.com/2010/05/18/gm-brings-android-to-the-car/
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RE: Where was Palm
Gekko @ 5/21/2010 7:07:54 AM # M Q
you act like they had a chance. they didn't. nobody wants to partner with a loser. who is winning? who has the market share and growth and open flourishing ecosystem? think about it.

success breeds success.


RE: Where was Palm
abosco @ 5/21/2010 7:44:02 AM # M Q
Doesn't matter, so long as the Volt will cost $40K, yet contain no more complex of a drive system than a Prius, which costs $20K.

**** GM and the underhanded claim that they paid back their bailout. They paid back $7B in cash that was borrowed. What about the other $53B in stock? I hope they fail again.

RE: Where was Palm
e_tellurian @ 5/21/2010 8:46:00 AM # Q
This type of interaction was proposed almost a decade ago using a we-com virtual wallet. The we-com virtual wallet would be used to interact with the car. Some areas of interaction would include unlocking the car doors to starting the car. The distraction of war has slowed down innovative progress in some markets and others simply have caught up. The wallet would also interact with the a cars security system and diagnostic system putting the performance of the car right in the Palm of ones hand.

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HP puts DRM on printer ink!!

mikecane @ 5/25/2010 10:54:37 AM # Q
Holy mackeral!

HP subdivides the world
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1635733/hp-subdivides-world

And look at this Comment:

>>>Don't know if other companies do this, but HP is basically spyware, IMO. Had to uninstall my HP printer due to faulty install. Took 30 minutes, and I watched it scan every file on my computer as it did so. Then I reinstalled, and this time watched what I was installing.

And I can confirm that uninstalling damned HP drivers take a LONNNNG time. I just had to ditch them this week. There were many of them and all told it came to over a frikkin HOUR to get rid of them! Now I understand why! Bastids.

RE: HP puts DRM on printer ink!!
Gekko @ 5/25/2010 11:58:09 AM # Q

my bloated new HP printer drivers/software crashes almost daily. as i was reading your post it crashed again. no kidding. see below.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: hpqtra08.exe
Application Version: 130.0.376.0
Application Timestamp: 4a163449
Fault Module Name: ntdll.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.1.7600.16385
Fault Module Timestamp: 4a5bdadb
Exception Code: c00000fd
Exception Offset: 0005ddfe
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.768.11
Locale ID: 1033

RE: HP puts DRM on printer ink!!
mikecane @ 5/25/2010 6:06:59 PM # Q
That HP software is such utter crap. When I had to update it, it somehow managed to install itself more than once!! Turning on the printer just to do one sheet caused the damned PC to have spasms.
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Hi Ryan

e_tellurian @ 5/26/2010 10:19:14 AM # Q
Is there any way to view more Most Recent News Comments in the Profile field?

Thanks,

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RE: Hi Ryan
BaalthazaaR @ 5/26/2010 10:39:55 AM # Q
e_tellurian wrote:
Is there any way to view more Most Recent News Comments in the Profile field?

Thanks,

E-T

It might be easier to find your older posts if you didn't keep posting the same message multiple times :-P

RE: Hi Ryan
e_tellurian @ 5/26/2010 3:50:46 PM # Q
:-(lol)

That would be a limit of 10 News Comments in the Profile field before losing the first News Comment. When i go back to review i am limited to 10? Can i choose the 10 i wish to keep? There are almost 10 years of News Comments. It would be nice to review them all. A search field perhaps?

Ryan it is only a request please do not lose sleep over this or expense. If it can not be done so be it. Please let me know.

Thanks.

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