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Palm webos 1.4 Palm has release the long awaited webOS v1.4 update early Saturday morning. Users on the Sprint network in the US and on the O2 UK, O2 DE, O2 Ireland, and Movistar networks in Europe can now find the OTA update via the Updates app. Palm says on its blog that other networks (namely Bell, Telcel and SFR) will see this "soon."

The full changelog is now posted on Palm's support page. Major new features include: video capture and clip editing, performance and battery life changes, various new messaging, contacts & calendar changes and options and updates, LED based notifications, new ringtone/alert options, mail improvements and various other system tweaks and such.

webOS 1.4 also brings support for the Adobe Flash 10.1 Beta plugin. Adobe will presumably release their Flash beta for the Palm Pre sometime soon via the Palm App Catalog.

Update: Verizon users are reporting that the update is now available for the Pre & Pixi Pluses.

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LOVING IT!!!

focr6 @ 2/27/2010 10:33:09 AM # Q
i got it early today, and so far, i think this the best update yet! forget about the video recording app, the fact that my phone is much faster, CUSTOM TEXT RINGTONE, though, itunes isnt working still. :( im still playing with it. im very happy with the update, i wish this could have been ver 1.0. plus an itunes fix...
RE: LOVING IT!!!
e_tellurian @ 2/27/2010 11:54:24 AM # M Q
Sweet, I'm sure Palm appreciates your joy and patience.

E-T

RE: LOVING IT!!!
mikecane @ 2/27/2010 1:24:09 PM # Q
>>>my phone is much faster,

And what exactly does that mean?

RE: LOVING IT!!!
pretastic @ 2/27/2010 2:28:32 PM # Q
Well, for me so far it means that web pages are loading faster and that email is updating more quickly. The phone is working smoothly and seems more responsive. Am sure will find more to praise as I use other functions. Very pleased.
RE: LOVING IT!!!
mikecane @ 2/27/2010 4:33:48 PM # Q
I haven't fondled it since whatever version the Pixi had. Tx for reply.
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Battery Life

gabvoice2 @ 2/27/2010 12:44:10 PM # Q
Let us know how the battery drains. Some days, I can leave the bluetooth on, leave the Palm Pre in my pocket without using it at all, and drain the battery out in about 5 hours.

That apparently has to do with marginal signal from Sprint in certain area. That seems to be true even if you stay wifi connected.

Any one experiencing the same problem?

RE: Battery Life
e_tellurian @ 2/27/2010 1:16:13 PM # M Q
Can you turn bluetooth off so its only used when needed?

E-T

RE: Battery Life
mikecane @ 2/27/2010 1:23:28 PM # Q
>>>Can you turn bluetooth off so its only used when needed?

Can you STFU because you are NOT needed? We're all sick of reading your unmedicated hypergraphic schizophrenia here. Get on the mothership already and blast off.

RE: Battery Life
e_tellurian @ 2/27/2010 2:06:03 PM # M Q
:-(lol) thanks for your thought too.

E-T

RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/27/2010 6:42:00 PM # Q
Mike!
WTF? The first time that I can remember where he actually commented on topic and you jump all over him?

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RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/27/2010 6:56:12 PM # Q
If Palm survives this, I hope they clean house and get back to their roots.
If you've already switched to iPhone consider writing apps, the sdk is super powerful and most of the press about the long delays publishing your app is BS. My last upgrade took 2 hours from 'submission' to 'ready for sale'!
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/h1-longitude-sea-clock/id349415248?mt=8

Gary


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RE: Battery Life
e_tellurian @ 2/27/2010 7:35:05 PM # M Q
Nice marine clock.

E-T

RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/27/2010 7:45:50 PM # Q
Thanks! The museum has been keeping it under wraps for a long long time, not even allowing photographs so I feel privileged to finally make it available to the public as a functioning model. Sinclair Harding makes a reproduction of H1 and they sold 2 last year @ ~1/4 million $ ea.!
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RE: Battery Life
e_tellurian @ 2/27/2010 8:45:21 PM # M Q
It is a great bit of history that more can enjoy thanks to your work.

E-T

RE: Battery Life
rpa @ 2/27/2010 9:22:21 PM # Q
tech center labs: hey, why not do a Garnet PIM app for Android?
RE: Battery Life
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 4:45:16 AM # Q

where's my buggy whip app?

RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 7:18:43 AM # Q
"where's my buggy whip app?"

I was working on it but decided to become a horologist and thought you would like this better...
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flamingo-redneck-pendulum/id306602572?mt=8

Where's your iPhone?
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RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 7:34:43 AM # Q
"tech center labs: hey, why not do a Garnet PIM app for Android?"

Couple reasons...

1. I wrote a ToDo app and most people think it sucks
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/little-hal/id297161119?mt=8

2. I'm too old to learn another OS.

2a. Also think developers will have a hard time actually making any money on Android apps. At least on the iPhone it needs to be jail broke to run pirated apps.
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RE: Battery Life
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 7:50:36 AM # Q

i'll strongly consider it if it ever gets to Sprint.


RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 8:35:46 AM # Q
While your waiting you could pick up a cheap iPod touch on ebay and start playing with some of the PIM apps. Besides, I can't continue on your Buggy Whip app until you buy your flamingo app.

Sprint may be pushing harder on the Pre, I saw a commercial yesterday that I don't think I've seen before. I guess it wasn't that memorable though, or my memory is really getting bad.
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RE: Battery Life
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 8:48:48 AM # Q

i'm a minimalist and an efficiency expert. i don't like collecting junk and accumulating unnecessary "things" and "stuff". i find a clutter-free environment very calming.

http://zenhabits.net/2007/08/a-guide-to-creating-a-minimalist-home/

http://zenhabits.net/2008/01/the-minimalists-guide-to-fighting-and-beating-clutter-entropy/


RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 9:03:35 AM # Q
That's cool. I, on the other hand, like stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac
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RE: Battery Life
hkklife @ 2/28/2010 9:11:00 AM # Q
Gary have you played with a "live" WebOS device yet? Thoughts/impressions? I have made the move to Android (at least for the time being). While I find it a terribly overrated, extremely immature platform that is chock full of holes, at least it has much more compelling hardware offerings than Palm's huge lineup of two devices.


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 9:23:32 AM # Q
I haven't Kris, I was so turned off by the look of the thing, the complete abandonment of their OS and the lack of a PDA version (I still don't use a cell phone) that I wanted nothing to do with it.
If they survive and if they produce a wifi only version of pixi and if they change its name I might try one.

If I had the extra money I would pick up a Droid but now I might just get the iPad next. I don't think it will be much of a seller for apple but I'll need it to test app compatibility.
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RE: Battery Life
hkklife @ 2/28/2010 9:41:30 AM # Q
Yup, same here on both counts. While my Treo 755p was still holding up relatively well last November, my dumbphone was dying a terrible death. When I noticed a suspicious lack of decent higher-end flipphones (not candybar "multimedia phones") to replace my RAZR2, I decided to give the Droid a whirl.

In a nutshell, its phone performance is awful (worst Motorola device ever), its battery life sucks almost as bad as the Pre, the keyboard blows, Google Maps Navigation is a STUNNING killer app, Android's PIM functions are horrible, the video capture of its camera is phenomenal (DVD quality), the screen is awesome, the build quality is very, very good (despite an uncomfortable formfactor) and its generally pretty responsive. I also like the amount of community support & the inclusion of a microSD slow (plus 16gb freebie in the box).

My Treo remains activated and I still use it occasionally for PIC purposes, legacy apps and PIM reference though the Droid is my daily "phone". Nothing beats Garnet for PIM and fast, efficient, intuitive one-handed navigation & data input.

P.S. If you want to get into Android development this might be a better choice (contract-free, fullsize SDHC compatible & SDK included) :
http://www.zii.com/Developer/Landing.aspx
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: Battery Life
rpa @ 2/28/2010 10:00:07 AM # Q
"2. I'm too old to learn another OS."

A Garnet PIM app for android would offer many hardware options but an app for the iPhone might be as good. My Centro as a phone/PDA works for me with data backed up to Outlook running on the desktop but the EOL for this is on the horizon.

RE: Battery Life
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 10:15:49 AM # Q

iphone PIM looks pretty good to me.

IMO you're asking for problems when you try to graft an ancient PIM emulator onto a modern OS. just cut the cord, move on, and don't look back when the time comes.

RE: Battery Life
rpa @ 2/28/2010 10:24:51 AM # Q
Are you saying an iPhone PIM works OK or you would like a PIM like Garnet on the iPhone? In scrolling thru the iTunes store looking for apps, a pain IMO, I haven't found a PIM app that looks good. If you have, let me know.

I am interested in a new app that works like Garnet PIM, not an emulator as I agree an emulator will have it's own problems. A fresh start on the iPhone O/S with the features of Garnet PIM would be great.

When the Centro dies or is left in a taxi (the usual upgrade path for me), I'll move on of course but finding a PIM as great and simple as Garnet would be nice.

RE: Battery Life
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 10:45:44 AM # Q

default iPhone PIM looks pretty good to me -

Contacts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRw82RDW3LI

Calendar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR8ygEdCrIA

what else do you want?


RE: Battery Life
e_tellurian @ 2/28/2010 11:00:20 AM # M Q
What about an app that can communicate with we-com virtual wallets via bluetooth and for longer distance GPS. No more lost or misplaced wallets. The smartphone can communicate with the wallet or the wallet can find the phone ... team work.

E-T

RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 11:31:08 AM # Q
P.S. If you want to get into Android development this might be a better choice (contract-free, fullsize SDHC compatible & SDK included) :
http://www.zii.com/Developer/Landing.aspx

It looks tempting Kris but at this point it still has to go through a lot of growing pains while the iPod Touch is mature, has tons of user, good app distribution and gets better with each release.
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RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 11:37:01 AM # Q
For anything not covered by the built-in iPhone PIMs, Bento is a nice app, especially if you're on a Mac...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLSnVNol4XY
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RE: Battery Life
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 11:48:46 AM # Q

no thanks. i don't like using proprietary apps and formats when i can just as easily (and for free) create, customize, store, share, and manipulate my own Excel or Word documents - and use them on any PC or Device regardless of OS.

RE: Battery Life
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 11:57:23 AM # Q
opps, I was talking to rpa ;-)
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RE: Battery Life
mikecane @ 2/28/2010 12:25:11 PM # Q
>>>Mike!
>>>WTF? The first time that I can remember where he actually commented on topic and you jump all over him?

Yes, because prior to then I had to wade through a billion of his dribblings elsewhere here. Final straw, just seeing his goddammed handle.

RE: Battery Life
e_tellurian @ 2/28/2010 12:58:00 PM # M Q
Mike your losing it. Just learn to ignore that which does not concern you. Your input is welcome just with less emotion and more logic.

E-T

RE: Battery Life
rpa @ 2/28/2010 1:16:31 PM # Q
gekko, gmayhak: thx for the links....I'll check them out. The Garnet PIM app is hard to beat for simplicity.
RE: Battery Life
mikecane @ 2/28/2010 4:49:00 PM # Q
>>>Your input is welcome just with less emotion and more logic.

WTF are *you* doing lecturing ANYBODY about *logic*, you freaking schizophrenic ponce?!

RE: Battery Life
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 5:07:28 PM # Q

hmmmmnnnn. i had to look that one up. good one. i learnt something.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ponce


RE: Battery Life
e_tellurian @ 2/28/2010 6:28:40 PM # M Q
Mike stop crying and learn to get along. I did not mean to hurt your feelings please understand i have as much right to freedom of speech as you do. You choose to attack my mind that is your choice. I prefer to think rather than insult people.

E-T

RE: Battery Life
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 6:38:28 PM # Q

we are anxiously awaiting your video manifesto.

RE: Battery Life
e_tellurian @ 2/28/2010 7:01:32 PM # M Q
:-(lol) you may be waiting a long time. I'm very shy and cherish my privacy.

E-T

RE: Ponce
rpa @ 2/28/2010 7:24:35 PM # Q
1. ponce
An individual who attempts to fake having intelligence, class, or culture.
"I knew he was a bit of a ponce, but what's with the monocle?"

2. ponce
Term originated in the UK and came to prominence in the 1960's, initially to describe a pimp. In Spanish it means "prince" and could have either been referring to the fancy, over-the-top clothing and jewelry popular with pimps, or because he was surrounded by a harem of women, involved in the underworld, but usually not the actual "king" of the area (he had to pay tribute to use the block or neighborhood).

Now it is generally used to refer to someone (usually a male) who dresses in nicer clothing and acts in a polished fashion; often interchangable with fag or pussy, but not necessarily as derogatory: a ponce is not necessarily homosexual, nor are they necessarily passive or weak, but they would tend to be thought of as metrosexual or gay in their manner of dress.

In the US it also takes a bit of a tone for a poser or wannabe, primarily in the punk, ska, or artsy scenes.

1960's BRITISH:
JACK: Oi, I need to find me a classy bird for the night.
TOM: Go talk to that ponce Tony. He got some nice girls, by the hour, they are.
JACK: Tony's a ponce, is that right? I though he just had some sort of magic with the ladies.
TOM: ****in' prat, you are.

MODERN BRITISH:

NIGEL: I can't believe I got curry on me new Pradas! I just paid five hundred quid for em!
ANDY: Haha, you ****in' ponce, that's what you get.
NIGEL: **** you, you fookin' chav, at least me Burberry's real.
ANDY: Right. You're still a ponce.

MODERN US:
DAVE: Hey man, wanna come into the woods with us and blaze?
FRED: No thanks, dude. I've got a date tonight and I don't wanna get my jeans dirty or sound like a retard when I'm talking to her.
DAVE: Quit being a ****ing ponce and come on, man. This shit's good.
FRED: Alright, fine.

3. ponce

a male who on occasion participates in strange activities, such as: water skiing and trying on women's shoes. a "ponce" may often be found wearing strange or moth-eaten fur hats, similar to one that 'light speed champion' wears. in response to a cuss from a "ponce", one would most likely say "shut up, gayboy" or "take that shit off your head".

MYLES: i'm thinking i might wear that furry hat out today.
JAMES: you think that will get you bare babes, init..that's so ponce.
MYLES: shut up, gay boy.
JAMES: at least i don't try on girls' shoes.

RE: Battery Life
DarthRepublican @ 3/1/2010 7:04:36 AM # Q
gabvoice2 wrote:
Let us know how the battery drains. Some days, I can leave the bluetooth on, leave the Palm Pre in my pocket without using it at all, and drain the battery out in about 5 hours.

That apparently has to do with marginal signal from Sprint in certain area. That seems to be true even if you stay wifi connected.

Any one experiencing the same problem?

I haven't experienced that problem. The only time I get more than 10% drain per hour is when I'm tethering my netbook to my Pre. I do usually keep Bluetooth off unless I'm listening to my iPod on my headset (it connects to both the Pre and the iPod with a dongle); but even when I do have my Bluetooth on, the battery doesn't drain very fast at all. Now poor signal strength does drain the battery much more quickly, I don't see why Bluetooth should make it much worse but it's fairly easy to turn off.
Palm Apologist
Shouting down the PIC Faithful Since 2009
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/

RE: Battery Life
hkklife @ 3/1/2010 7:11:26 AM # Q
Darth;

Legitmate Pre/WebOS question here:

Are you able to edit the voicemail button (aka #1 entry) to automatically dial your PIN so you can listen to VM without having to punch in your code everytime? I know this is a huge issue for the Verizon WebOS devices. IIRC, the GSM Pre has a VM edit button and Sprint lets you toggle your VM PIN security on or off, so this is a huge issue for would-be Verizon WebOS users. I now know of TWO Verizon people who returned a Pre Plus due to the inability to edit the default functionality of the onscreen VM icon + the "1" quickdial entry. Remapping VM + PIN to "2" is a workaround but it's still nice to be able to hit the onscreen VM icon to playback messages while driving.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->Verizon Moto Droid

RE: Battery Life
e_tellurian @ 3/1/2010 8:30:32 AM # M Q
Perhaps a voice mail app will offer a solution.

E-T

RE: Battery Life
DarthRepublican @ 3/1/2010 12:29:41 PM # Q
hkklife wrote:
Darth;

Legitmate Pre/WebOS question here:

Are you able to edit the voicemail button (aka #1 entry) to automatically dial your PIN so you can listen to VM without having to punch in your code everytime? I know this is a huge issue for the Verizon WebOS devices. IIRC, the GSM Pre has a VM edit button and Sprint lets you toggle your VM PIN security on or off, so this is a huge issue for would-be Verizon WebOS users. I now know of TWO Verizon people who returned a Pre Plus due to the inability to edit the default functionality of the onscreen VM icon + the "1" quickdial entry. Remapping VM + PIN to "2" is a workaround but it's still nice to be able to hit the onscreen VM icon to playback messages while driving.

I'm afraid that you're stuck with the work around for the time being. You might want to ask around on the Precentral Homebrew section to see if anybody is interested in creating a Voicemail patch with a separate Voicemail editor.
Palm Apologist
Shouting down the PIC Faithful Since 2009
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/

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The latest prat to advise Palm

mikecane @ 2/28/2010 12:21:34 PM # Q
10 Ways Palm Could Make a Comeback in the Mobile World
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/10-Ways-Palm-Could-Make-a-Comeback-in-the-Mobile-World-656376/

Doing a mini-tablet is never mentioned. FAIL!

RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 12:35:17 PM # Q

Con - Palm has limited resources and is burning cash fast. they already bet the company and did the hail mary. can/will Elevation throw good money after bad? where is that dumb ass McNamee? Yelp???

i liked these - ouch -

1. Revamp the Pre

The Palm Pre is in desperate need of attention. The device pales in comparison to the iPhone. It's not only oddly designed, it lacks the "wow" value that the iPhone has. In a space where Palm is attempting to compete with Apple, that's a major problem. To turn things around, Palm needs to go back to the drawing board with the Pre and deliver a revision that reflects the current design requirements consumers have.

2. Work on WebOS

WebOS has quickly turned out to be more trouble than its worth for Palm. The operating system seemed like a fine idea to differentiate the product in the beginning, but it didn't resonate with consumers. Palm needs to take a step back and evaluate what's really needed in WebOS and eliminate all the rest. Multitasking is a must-have, but whether or not the software is really capable of competing against other devices on the market is very much up for debate.


RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 12:47:26 PM # Q
Mini-tablets may fail too. After watching Apple's keynote on the iPad I was kind of excited about it but what does a person do with it? You can't carry it around with all that glass exposed so you need to put it in a case like the one apple will be selling. So, you need to open the case to use it just like a laptop or notebook except you've got no keyboard and a dumbed down OS instead full blown windows or Mac OS.

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RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
jca666us @ 2/28/2010 12:47:48 PM # Q
A mini-tablet w/o an Apple-like infrastructure is stupid.

Personally, every issue with the Pre and webOS can be attributed to this:

7. Stay true to Palm

At the same time, Palm needs to be Palm. Part of the allure of Palm products in the past was that they offered a unique take on mobile computing. They didn't simply follow the competition's lead for the sake of making a few extra bucks. Palm was a unique company and it made its name off of that. It can still be unique and deliver a compelling product, but it needs to be more aware of what consumers and the enterprise really want.

Instead of trying to out-iphone the iphone, management should have looked at what key factors made Palm successful and used that as a basis for webos and the Pre's hardware design.

Imagine using the Palm V and/or Treo designs as a design basis - instead of that crappy slider.

RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
jca666us @ 2/28/2010 12:59:31 PM # Q
I think tablets failed in the past because they were big and clunky and grafted a windows UI onto it.

>After watching Apple's keynote on the iPad I was kind of excited about it but
>what does a person do with it?

The ipad is definitely more of an e-reader/movie watching/web browsing device.

Right now I have a lenovo netbook which I use at home to browse the web, but the thing weighs about 3 lbs. which limits its portability.

The fact is the ipad is 1.5 lbs., means it's more mobile for me than my netbook.

>You can't carry it around with all that glass exposed so you need to put it in
>a case like the one apple will be selling.

>So, you need to open the case to use it just like a laptop or notebook
>except you've got no keyboard and a dumbed down OS instead full blown
>windows or Mac OS.

Still, it's much lighter than a laptop - the intent is not to replace the laptop, but to provide a simpler all in one solution for several basic use cases.

For ppl. that need a physical keyboard, that's an option.

btw, "dumbed down OS" is a touch optimized version of OS X.

RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
Gekko @ 2/28/2010 1:01:14 PM # Q
>a dumbed down OS instead full blown windows or Mac OS.

fooleo?

RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
e_tellurian @ 2/28/2010 1:03:52 PM # M Q
Assuring Palm customers can access their content on Palms server from a desk top computer will address some of the issues.

E-T

RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
rpa @ 2/28/2010 1:22:22 PM # Q
I don't see any compelling reason to go the iPad route....it's like carrying about the lid to a notebook PC IMO. May as well get a lightweight notebook or a netbook if your needs are limited.

On Palm, so much has been written on where they went wrong that it is hardly worth raising again. The Palm of the Tungsten and Treo fame no longer exists.

RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 1:33:02 PM # Q
"btw, "dumbed down OS" is a touch optimized version of OS X."

I love OS X, Leopard rocks and it's cool that iPhone / iPad are Based on it but the iPad is dumbed down to the extent that I can't develop apps on it and can't run the programs that I run on the Mac. Maybe that will all change in a future version.
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RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 1:40:02 PM # Q
meant to say Snow Leopard, much faster than Leopard.
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RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
jca666us @ 2/28/2010 4:05:12 PM # M Q
I think a touch version of snow leopard would be great, but that's a few years out - at least until intel can create a mobile CPU that isn't over power hungry.
RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
LiveFaith @ 2/28/2010 7:06:50 PM # Q
** Instead of trying to out-iphone the iphone, management should have looked at what key factors made Palm successful and used that as a basis for webos and the Pre's hardware design. **

BAM! Best thing I've read here yet. I am still shocked that Palm basically abandoned their powerful Calendar / Contacts for "pop culture" versions on WebOS. This was one of the strongholds that no other competitors could seem to get quite right. These tools are genuinely revolutionary for human productivity. Palm should be using them with a "synergy" approach to to making mobile devices make life more productive. Not, try to steal Apple's thunder.

BTW, concerning the iPad comments. Pretty cool, but otherwise going nowhere IMO. I keep asking "why"? Web, yes as well as the other's mentioned above. But, I keep thinking @ how powerful / functional my 1" thin Eee PC 1008 $400 netbook is and wonder why I would downgrade (generally speaking) to an iPad for extra $$$. Can't think of many seriously good reasons.
Pat Horne

RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
gmayhak @ 2/28/2010 7:25:55 PM # Q
" But, I keep thinking @ how powerful / functional my 1" thin Eee PC 1008 $400 netbook is and wonder why I would downgrade (generally speaking) to an iPad for extra $$$. Can't think of many seriously good reasons."

Same here, after I got over the hype in their keynote. The iPhone and iPod Touch are selling in the millions because they fit in your pocket. I think the iPad is a cool device but only for a very limited group of people. In a way, kinda like the Foleo but a zillion times more powerful.
I probably won't be re-writing any of my apps for the iPad (they will all run on it in the 2X mode) until I see if it really catches on.
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RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
rpa @ 2/28/2010 7:51:52 PM # Q
Livefaith: yeah...agree but the people who understood what made Palm successful are all gone.
RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
LiveFaith @ 3/1/2010 1:45:05 AM # Q
Yeah. That really bites too.
Pat Horne
MORE-OT-Than-Originally?:RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
SeldomVisitor @ 3/1/2010 3:19:59 AM # Q
I think the iPad is going to be an aMAZing success AND, were I a laptop user who travels, etc etc etc, I EASILY can see it replacing a laptop.

My surfing habits are 99% "clickety-click" on URLS with gobs of reading. When I "do email" it pretty much follows that same paradigm with some minimalist text entering in reply - a virtual keyboard would be totally fine and intuitive and NOT "intrusive on work habits".

[of course, message board surfing is obviously a different thang]

But if I'm roaming around sitting in airplane seats or coffeeshops or on a hotel bed, I could see that thing replacing a laptop with no problem at all.

And the dock that you can get for it CONVERTING it into essentially a laptop means you can take it into that remote office or onto your hotel desk and not notice a difference between it and a laptop.

It's a win.


RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
LiveFaith @ 3/1/2010 9:16:34 PM # Q
Yeah, it does all that "as good as a laptop". That's my point.

Why do I want to spend more for something that can do a lot of things that I already do, and then uhhh-oh, "this message board stuff" is combersome etc. Oh, and printing. Oh and software. Oh and multi-tasking. Oh and I need a converter for the office to make it equal to a laptop. Oh, and I can convince myself that typing on a piece of "glass" is equal to a real KB. Oh, and it won't sit on the table, bed, or counter for use and requires 2 hands or laid flat etc.

It falls short in most areas to my current netbook, yet costs more. The kind of thing that Foleo fans dream @. Just because I CAN, does not mean I WANT to.

I can see some benefits and desirable features no doubt. Laying on a couch etc and holding a tablet can be better. Touch screen navigation can be superior. It's not Windows etc.

I would be interested in the iPad. I just can't see any real space between a pocketable mobile device (smartphone) and a portable device (netbook). A niche' is there, but I only see a niche', not a space for a paradigm shift.

SV, this is JMHO.

Pat Horne

RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
SeldomVisitor @ 3/2/2010 5:07:38 AM # Q
Well, actually, I think there's more to the iPad than we have been told.

Like a front-facing camera.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QZrzu9Ke0-iyRM:http://tamsijungle.tamoggemon.com/content/2010/February/thaipadcamera/ipad-camera.jpg

Like multitasking (because of the next OS version that is so rumored).

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/19/iphone-os-4-0-claimed-to-include-multitasking-revamped-interface/

> ...Oh, and it won't sit on the table, bed, or counter for use and requires
> 2 hands or laid flat etc....

You didn't see this?

http://images.google.com/images?q=ipad%20keyboard%20dock


RE: The latest prat to advise Palm
BaalthazaaR @ 3/2/2010 7:44:33 AM # Q
LiveFaith wrote:
I can see some benefits and desirable features no doubt. Laying on a couch etc and holding a tablet can be better. Touch screen navigation can be superior. It's not Windows etc.

I agree... I was thinking something more in the lines of this would be neat:
http://tinyurl.com/ygjlwy3

However, the touchbook is not quite ready for prime time. Freescale's smartbook reference design also looks interesting. http://tinyurl.com/ybcgobf

And neither one uses a proprietary OS.

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Don't Pounce on the Ponce!

writerscramp @ 3/1/2010 12:41:20 PM # Q
Dear E-T:

There's nothing wrong with being a Ponce!

Yours truly,

P. de León

RE: Don't Pounce on the Ponce!
e_tellurian @ 3/1/2010 2:42:12 PM # M Q
Ok. That's good to know. Not too familiar with UK terminology. Though understand friendship. Like how the word ship can be found in friendship. It goes well with e-knarr.

E-T

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Palm's ship came in, but Archos got on board!

mikecane @ 3/1/2010 4:23:46 PM # Q
New Archos Mini-Tablet Challenges iPad, Kills eInk
http://ipadtest.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/new-archos-mini-tablet-challenges-ipad-kills-eink/

Well, that's about the end of it then.

RE: Palm's ship came in, but Archos got on board!
jca666us @ 3/4/2010 3:09:46 AM # Q
The guy talking it up in that video is hilarious.

While you make some good points regarding the archos tablet, it has a ton of limitations and shortcomings compared to the ipad.

Even though it is $300 cheaper than the cheapest ipad, the archos looks like a piece of junk that was rushed to market.

RE: Palm's ship came in, but Archos got on board!
Gekko @ 3/4/2010 3:23:00 AM # Q

tablets are a low volume niche market at best. the only people getting excited about them are faux hipster pseudo intellectual literary wannabes who probably won't even buy one anyway.

RE: Palm's ship came in, but Archos got on board!
mikecane @ 3/4/2010 8:08:31 AM # Q
>>> The guy talking it up in that video is hilarious.

Charbx is very enthusiastic in all his videos.

>>>While you make some good points regarding the archos tablet, it has a ton of limitations and shortcomings compared to the ipad.

It's not an iPad. Just like a C-64 wasn't an Apple II.

>>>tablets are a low volume niche market at best. the only people getting excited about them are faux hipster pseudo intellectual literary wannabes who probably won't even buy one anyway.

Gekko, I'd STFU and start looking for a cave to hide out in. We're going to hunt down and string up your greedy asses!

Exhibit A:
Wall Street's Bailout Hustle
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32255149/wall_streets_bailout_hustle/print

The prosecution rests. Guilty. Termination forthcoming.

RE: Palm's ship came in, but Archos got on board!
e_tellurian @ 3/4/2010 11:25:59 AM # M Q
It takes team work to move a ship forward. Re investing excess back into the economy has been a history of excellence. Much of the advanced interaction we have today has much to do with innovation and capital shared to bring innovative concepts to market. A history of team work has enabled more choices and peaceful interaction.

Taking a the "A" out of agreed is not a good idea.

E-T

RE: Palm's ship came in, but Archos got on board!
jca666us @ 3/4/2010 8:41:54 PM # Q
>It's not an iPad. Just like a C-64 wasn't an Apple II.

Difference is that - even though much cheaper, the C64 was competitive with the Apple II, while the Archos (although cheaper) is much more limited and not competitive with the ipad.

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