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Palm Ares Palm has released the first public beta of its innovative new development tool for webOS. Called Project Ares, this new webOS development environment runs completely in a desktop browser. Its aim is to simplify and lower the entry barrier for developing webOS applications by allowing developers to code, debug and build webOS apps within a standard web browser.

The web-hosted development environment features an array of developer tools including a drag-and-drop interface builder, code editor, visual javascript debugger, log viewer, framework enhancements, single click deployment on a device or emulator and built in SVN/Mecurial version source control. With this set of features interested developers can simply log in and upload a project or build a new one from scratch. Projects can be easily be uploaded and downloaded for what Palm describes as a seamless "desktop/cloud workflow."

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Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?

CFreymarc @ 12/18/2009 11:44:53 AM # Q
Looks like they are hell bent on keeping with this cloud worshiping paradigm.

The concept of doing development in a web browser is definitely going to split the development community. Again, for simple, Visual Basic like development where you flip-flop between forms, this will do fine. The execution of this product to delivery is killer, however, will it be accepted?

Again, no native SDK nor compiler. They are going to loose a lot of business not getting that out for the general developer community.

RE: Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?
gmayhak @ 12/18/2009 12:54:41 PM # Q
Even with a compiler I'd have a hard time convincing myself to develop for the platform without knowing where it's going.
I have a couple dozen apps on iTunes http://ax.search.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSearch.woa/wa/search?entity=software&media=all&restrict=true&submit=seeAllLockups&term=tech+center+labs
and with 50 MILLION potential customers they only bring in a few hundred $/month.
Being required to sign up for a phone account for development hardware is the other reason I'll not switch.

Gary
Tech Center Labs

RE: Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?
CFreymarc @ 12/18/2009 1:46:14 PM # Q
Agree, if they want to get any traction, they need to get a service-less unit like the iPod Touch. Thus, you can pick on up, try the platform and lower the entry cost for a developer.

Oh wait, wasn't that Palm's original business plan to begin with? I wish Jeff would give up his brain chip pipe dream and start kicking ass and taking names over a Palm and make things go right.

RE: Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?
gmayhak @ 12/18/2009 2:56:17 PM # Q
That would really be cool! But I hope he doesn't give up on Numenta, one of my apps is using it :-/
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iresemble/id340081169?mt=8

Gary
Tech Center Labs

RE: Bold, Stupid or a bit of both?
Rastick @ 12/25/2009 5:49:56 AM # Q
This is a really big deal.

A visual development environment for a smartphone which permits you to develop, test and deploy applications, and all the wailing willies can do is complain that their 1980's development tools aren't supported.

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Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)

gmayhak @ 12/19/2009 6:10:49 PM # Q
Ares I is the crew launch vehicle being developed by NASA as a component of the Constellation Program.[1] The name "Ares" refers to the Greek deity Ares, who is identified with the Roman god Mars.[2] Ares I was originally known as the "Crew Launch Vehicle" (CLV).[3]
NASA plans to use Ares I to launch Orion, the spacecraft being designed for NASA human spaceflight missions after the Space Shuttle is retired in 2010. Ares I is intended to complement the larger, unmanned Ares V, which is the cargo launch vehicle for Constellation. NASA selected the Ares designs for their anticipated overall safety, reliability and cost-effectiveness.[4]

Gary
Tech Center Labs

RE: Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
Gekko @ 12/19/2009 8:30:03 PM # Q

sounds like the we-com e-com crew.

http://twitter.com/etellurian


RE: Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
hkklife @ 12/19/2009 10:23:45 PM # Q
If nothing else, you cannot accuse him/she/it of lacking optimism!


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RE: Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
gmayhak @ 12/19/2009 10:26:26 PM # Q
Right Gekko,
We got Palm ripping off the name of a Nasa missile to try to convince us that the webOS crap is something special, what they lack in technology advancements they try to mask with smoke and mirrors & cutesy names. Then we have an extraterrestrial thinking he discovered solar energy. Us desert dwellers have always known if you stand in the sun you get solar energy to warm you up, when you get warm enough you move to the shade.
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RE: Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
CFreymarc @ 12/21/2009 10:45:19 AM # Q
If that is true then NASA ripped off Greek Mythology. The gods are angry now!
RE: Planning to launch the app development crew ;-)
Gekko @ 12/21/2009 10:52:39 AM # Q

i only hope that e-t and the we-com crew can someday monetize the we-com e-com solution.
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OT: Netbook

Gekko @ 12/21/2009 7:48:56 PM # Q


i'm tempted to get this - any thoughts anyone? seems like a great deal.

Asus Eee PC 1005HAB-RBLU001X Netbook with Slip Case
SKU: 9999122700050001

Reg. Price:
$300.98
You Save:
$51.00
Our Price:
$249.98

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+Eee+PC+1005HAB-RBLU001X+Netbook+Package+with+Slip+Case/9999122700050001.p?id=pcmprd122700050001&skuId=9999122700050001

RE: OT: Netbook
ozz @ 12/21/2009 9:28:20 PM # Q
Yes, this looks like a good deal except it uses XP which is probably why it is so cheap. That's ok but Windows 7 would be better....and cost a little more.

ozz

RE: OT: Netbook
SeldomVisitor @ 12/22/2009 2:52:01 AM # Q
Is that the one The Boy Genius is giving away free in a mini-contest right now?

RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 12/22/2009 5:57:44 AM # Q
Since I don't think Gekko does anything real with his technology, a frustrating sh1tty netbook would be a perfect fit for him.

But let me tell you, Gek, that I'm using a PC that has the "power" of a netbook and it is the kind of torment I would only like to inflict on Republicans and Capitalists. Oh wait -- that's you! Go buy it, big guy! Watch YouTube as slideshows. Have Flash ads bring it to its knees.

RE: OT: Netbook
palmato @ 12/22/2009 6:27:03 AM # Q
The N270 atom processor is a bit on the slow side. A N280 model would be better. Also the battery only has 3 cells and not the usual 5 cells: battery life may be a bit short.

Other than that Asus usually has a good build quality and the seashell design got many good reviews. Windows Xp instead of 7 starter, is a plus.

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RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/22/2009 7:03:49 AM # Q

what about porn? will it choke on flash porn?
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/22/2009 7:05:25 AM # Q

MikeCon - yes all i need it for is basic email, surfing, flash porn, and light word and excel documents. but sometimes i like to have all of these things running simultaneously. and i have neither the time nor the patience to be slowed down by a slow system.
RE: OT: Netbook
hkklife @ 12/22/2009 7:19:46 AM # Q
Gekko;

First of all, the HAB is a BestBuy-specific 'neutered' model designed to achieve a specific price point & ensure a specific B&M profit margin. As Palmato correctly states, they remove the N280 CPU and go with the older/slower N270 instead (533mhz FSB, .06Ghz slower CPU).

It also gets maybe 1/3 of the battery life of a full 1005HA-P (3-cell vs. 6-cell battery). The HAB also omits Bluetooth and the bundled neoprene pouch case.

Spend $43 more and get this one:
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Seashell-1005HA-PU17-BU-10-1-Inch-Netbook/dp/B002P3KMXK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1261495012&sr=8-3
if you insist on an Atom machine---it has Win 7 Starter (still better IMO than the antiquated XP from a security, stability, and overall modernity standpoint), a higher capacity HDD, and a newer/faster CPU. Factor in free shipping w/ Amazon + no sales tax and it's a no-brainer!

PERSONALLY, I would avoid an Atom-based machine entirely and get one of the Intel CULV-based 11.6" machines. Whether it's Diamondville, Silverthorne, or or Pineview, the Atom is very performance-challenged and really only compelling if you are on an ultra-tight budget and/or need to be away from an AC outlet all day and need 9+ hours of runtime.

These are in high demand at the $399.99 MSRP but even for $50 more, it's a steal of a machine. I personally have the SU7300 Core 2 Duo ULV version of this 11.6" Acer and it's probably the best unit I've ever had from a size/price/performance ratio:
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-1410-2801-Widescreen-CineCrystal/dp/B002PIUYG0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1261495137&sr=8-2

Also, unless you are a hardcore gamer, there's no reason to go with ION + Atom over CULV on the higher end or straight up Atom on the lower end.

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RE: OT: Netbook
hkklife @ 12/22/2009 7:24:13 AM # Q
Gekko, if you do ANYTHING involving flash-based video with an Atom CPU, you will have INTENSE pain. Trust me on this one. Even overclocked to nearly 2Ghz and running a low-latency 2GB memory module, my 1000HE still shuddered and dropped frames on anything higher than windowed Hulu or 480p CBS streaming video. Flash is just a lousy vehicle for streaming video and even the upcoming 10.2 Flash plugin w/ hardware acceleration will require a recent-gen Intel GMA GPU, so those zillions of GMA950-powered Atom machines out there are gonna be left out in the cold.

Definitely, absolutely, without a doubt go with (at minimum an ION-based Atom machine or ideally a CULV-based unit). Your dirty videos will do much, much better with more CPU horsepower behind them.

Right now, if you insist on a 10" or smaller screen, Atom's the only game in town. 11.6" and up is the place to be for CULV & ION platforms.


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RE: OT: Netbook
jimn367 @ 12/22/2009 8:43:15 AM # Q
My Dell Mini 10 does OK on flash video - just make sure you have upgraded to the latest version.

Where it doesn't fare so well is decompression of MPEG 4 stored at full DVD quality.

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/22/2009 8:46:50 AM # Q

ok - thanks for all the feedback. i think i'll hold out for a while. i see some new Dell Mini 10s are coming in Jan 2010 -

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/21/new-dell-inspiron-mini-10-debuts-features-atom-n450/

RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 12/22/2009 1:14:08 PM # Q
Man, Engadget's Joanna Stern -- queen of netbooks -- just reviewed one of the new Atom CPUed netbooks. They're STILL pokey-ass crap. Atom will ALWAYS be crap because Intel doesn't want cannibalization.

And the CULVs are crap too. I tried one with Win 7 -- launching WordPad(!!!!) took FOUR FREAKIN SECONDS, OK? As crap as my desktop is, it doesn't take THAT long for WordPad!

WTF are you doing looking at FLV pr0n anyway? There's lots in WMV and MPEG. Or so the kidz tell me. Ahem.

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/22/2009 1:29:53 PM # Q

most of the fast, good, easy, and free porn is on the "tube" sites as flash movies. it's killing the porn business.

http://www.thewrap.com/article/1394

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/10/05/sex.sells/index.html

it just goes to show you that whatever business you're in - you can wake up one morning and because of technology the landscape can change and the ground right underneath your feet shifts and all of a sudden you're a dinosaur.

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/22/2009 1:32:55 PM # Q

"There will always be a company that replaces you. At some point your BlackSwan competitor will appear and they will kick your ass. Their product will be better or more interesting or just better marketed than yours, and it also will be free. They will be Facebook to your Myspace, or Myspace to your Friendster or Google to your Yahoo. You get the point. Someone out there with a better idea will raise a bunch of money, give it away for free, build scale and charge less to reach the audience. Or will be differentiated enough, and important enough to the audience to maybe even charge more. Who knows. But they will kick your ass and you will be in trouble." – Mark Cuban

"When you succeed with Free, you are going to die by Free. Your best bet is to recognize where you are in your company's lifecycle and maximize your profits rather than try to extend your stay at the top." – Mark Cuban

"Sooner or later, something fundamental in your business world will change." – Andrew Grove

"A strategic inflection point is a time in the life of a business when its fundamentals are about to change. That change can mean an opportunity to rise to new heights. But it may just as likely signal the beginning of the end. Strategic inflection points can be caused by technological change but they are more than technological change. They can be caused by competitors but they are more than just competition. They are full-scale changes in the way business is conducted, so that simply adopting new technology or fighting the competition as you used to may be insufficient. They build up force so insidiously that you may have a hard time even putting a finger on what has changed, yet you know that something has. Let's not mince words: A strategic inflection point can be deadly when unattended to. Companies that begin a decline as a result of its changes rarely recover their previous greatness. But strategic inflection points do not always lead to disaster. When the way business is being conducted changes, it creates opportunities for players who are adept at operating in the new way. This can apply to newcomers or to incumbents, for whom a strategic inflection point may mean an opportunity for a new period of growth." - Andy Grove

"The fact that an automated teller machine could be built has changed banking. If interconnected inexpensive computers can be used in medical diagnosis and consulting, it may change medical care. The possibility that all entertainment content can be created, stored, transmitted and displayed in digital form may change the entire media industry. In short, strategic inflection points are about fundamental change in any business, technological or not. We live in an age in which the pace of technological change is pulsating ever faster, causing waves that spread outward toward all industries. This increased rate of change will have an impact on you, no matter what you do for a living. It will bring new competition from new ways of doing things, from corners that you don't expect. It doesn't matter where you live. Long distances used to be a moat that both insulated and isolated people from workers on the other side of the world. But every day, technology narrows that moat inch by inch. Every person in the world is on the verge of becoming both a coworker and a competitor to every one of us, much the same as our colleagues down the hall of the same office building are. Technological change is going to reach out and sooner or later change something fundamental in your business world." – Andy Grove


RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 12/22/2009 1:52:44 PM # Q
I know all about the frikkin tube sites. Go ahead and have your pr0n usage tracked like that, eejit. The FBI must have a nice dossier on your pervo tendencies. LMAO! Who knew Maple Syrup was a fetish?
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/22/2009 2:04:48 PM # Q

i cover my tracks, Con. in fact, you're my patsy. i'm registered on all the sites as "Mike Cane, Staten Island, NY".

give my regards to Oswald.

RE: OT: Netbook
abosco @ 12/22/2009 3:06:34 PM # M Q
I lol'd.
RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 12/22/2009 4:11:11 PM # Q
LMAO!!! You bstrd!!! How evil.
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/23/2009 11:01:12 AM # Q

that Asus Netbook was pretty cheap. $250 which included the free sleeve. i just want to do basic email, light excel/word, light surfing, and the occasional youtube/flash porn video. i don't need super longbatter life since i typically bring the power cord anyway.

i just wanted a backup machine (backup to my company laptop) and a small light CHEAP machine i could easily throw in my overnight bag or carry on luggage. hauling a laptop is a bitch. i also like cheap too because if it gets bitched up or not used much i don't have to worry about it.

do i really need a bitching processor? 99% of usage will be email and web surfing. i do like to multitask though.

RE: OT: Netbook
Tim Carroll @ 12/23/2009 6:36:27 PM # Q
^^^ bwahahahaha.

Flash performance on the original EEE sucks, G, although things must have gotten slightly better since then.

the beauty of netbooks is they're very light and easy to prop open with one hand. xD

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/23/2009 6:51:58 PM # Q

is there that much of a noticeable difference between say a N270 vs. an N280? i've always thought it was RAM that made the big performance difference - not a next 1 or 2 speed level (not class) of processor.
RE: OT: Netbook
ozz @ 12/24/2009 8:44:27 PM # Q
G - On Dec. 26, Walmart is having big post-Christmas sales including an eMachine netbook for $226.00. I haven't found the specs on that one yet, but I'm looking.
ozz
RE: OT: Netbook
ozz @ 12/24/2009 8:56:43 PM # Q
OK, here's the scoop on this eMachine for $228 from Walmart on Saturday, Dec. 26. The eMachine is a brand owned by Acer.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=1026142

This will be a "Doorbuster" sale. They will have 10 minimum per store so you better get in line early. The sale starts at 8:00 am.

Might be worth getting for what you want it for, Gek.

ozz

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/25/2009 6:25:31 AM # Q

thanks.

this looks interesting too -

Lenovo - IdeaPad Netbook with Intel® Atom® Processor - Black
Model: S10E | SKU: 9648687

Reg. Price:
$249.99
You Save:
$52.99
Sale:
$197.00


RE: OT: Netbook
ozz @ 12/25/2009 7:38:53 AM # Q
Yes, I just saw that Lenovo at Best Buy. It is on sale for just 2 days only -- ONLINE ONLY. I'm considering getting one....but it uses XP....so, I'm not sure.
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/25/2009 9:56:11 AM # Q

Acer Aspire One AOD250-1695 Netbook Review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkGAuYvDYnw


RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/26/2009 7:07:22 AM # Q

well i took a chance and got the emachines netbook from walmart for $228. using it right now. the thing is nice! great build quality (it's basically a rebranded acer). firefox, explorer, thunderbird, filezilla, word, excel, youtube, and flash porn all run fast and great.

for $228 i couldn't resist. that's like a bar bill or a speeding ticket!

what's my best bet for email app? thunderbird? using that now since don't know of better alternatives. no outlook express with win7 which is what i used before.

best wishes all.

RE: OT: Netbook
ozz @ 12/26/2009 8:46:38 AM # Q
I think you made a wise choice. I have read lots of good things about this eM250. I especially like the Windows 7 on it. What is the "starter" 7?

You could install Windows Mail which is what is on Vista and replaced Outlook Express. Windows Mail is free and works fine on my Vista desktop. I may go over to Walmart today and check this out, too (if I can avoid getting stuck in the snow!)

ozz

RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 12/26/2009 12:04:29 PM # Q
>>>for $228 i couldn't resist. that's like a bar bill or a speeding ticket!

The two things your money goes to most!

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/26/2009 12:17:40 PM # Q

you forgot hookers.
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/26/2009 12:17:40 PM # Q

you forgot hookers.
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/26/2009 12:34:51 PM # Q

i never ever shop at walmart. i hate the place. it's like a crowd from the star wars bar. called at 8ish am this morning - i asked if they had any. they said 13 and nobody bought one yet and there was no line. then they tell me they've been open since 6am. so i first pop into best buy and ask them what's the cheapest netbook they got. they have an asus for $329. so then i traipse over to walmart and pick up my little netbook. the box was tiny - they come from warehouse packaged two together and i thought that was one - and small. then dude tells me that was two. he hands me one box and it was like the size of a tissue box. tiny. 15 day return policy and $228 makes this a no brainer. been customizing this bad boy all day. windows 7 is sweet and this puppy hums. i would have been afraid of the emachines brand but hkk said that he has an acer with great build quality and then i find out that acer makes emachines now! this puppy is exactly like the acer one netbook.

it's hard to believe that just a few short years ago we'd have to spend $369 for a 160x160 monochrome palm pilot with 2MB RAM and a 33mhz processor.

now for $228 i get a 10.1"LCD, 1.6GHZ, 1GB RAM, 250GB real computer.

we live in an amazing time! and our best days are yet to come!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 12/26/2009 1:09:55 PM # Q
>>>it was like the size of a tissue box.

Oh, you'll be needing a lot of those now. LMAO!

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/27/2009 7:58:49 PM # Q

compare the price and specs of my new netbook with the ill-fated fooleo.


RE: OT: Netbook
hkklife @ 12/27/2009 10:45:46 PM # Q
Gekko, back in 2007 I compared the specs of the then-current EEE PC 701 (the original EEE that launched the whole netbook trend) to the Fooleo.

The EEE, even the cheapest 2G SSD version, destroyed the Fooleo in every single spec other than screen size/resolution. It certainly beat it in CPU/GPU speed, RAM, port selection, wireless connectivity etc.

The Fooleo was basically LifeDrive/TX innards blown up to netbook proportions. In fact, I've always maintained that Hawkins & Colligan had some kind of LifeDrive 2 in the works that used SSD for storage. But it eventually likely outgrew the feeble capabilities of Garnet, so the Fooleo project ultimately came about.
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RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/28/2009 5:49:09 AM # Q

not to mention size and form factor in addition to price, specs, performance, hardware, capabilities, and standards. i think this netbook is smaller, sleeker, and lighter than the fooleo.

comments blast from the not so distant past -

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7471/hawkins-talks-netbooks-in-first-post-foleo-interview/


RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 12/28/2009 8:29:15 AM # Q
I still would have liked to have fondled the Foleo. Especially that keyboard. Man, the original 7"-screen Asus KB was utter crap.
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/28/2009 9:54:11 AM # Q

Con - why f**k around with anything other than a Netbook at this point? there's no need to compromise anymore. the capitalistic free market system that you deride and hate so much has given you technological innovation and value beyond your wildest dreams.

RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 12/28/2009 6:17:55 PM # Q
Gekko: When the hell do you separate goods from the overarching system? How frikkin DIM are you, lad?

A netbook IS a compromise too, you dimwit.

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/28/2009 6:25:31 PM # Q

"Most probably, of our decisions to do something positive, the full consequences of which will be drawn out over many days to come, can only be taken as the result of animal spirits -- of a spontaneous urge to action and not as the outcome of a weighted average of quantitative benefits multiplied by quantitative probabilities. Enterprise only pretends to be mainly actuated by the statement in its own prospectus. Only little more than an expedition to the South Pole, is it based on an exact calculation of benefits to come. Thus if the animal spirits are dimmed and the spontaneous optimism falters, leaving us to depend on nothing but a mathematical expectation, enterprise will fade and die; though fears of loss may have a basis no more reasonable than the hopes of profit had before." - John Maynard Keynes


RE: OT: Netbook
SeldomVisitor @ 12/29/2009 3:52:41 AM # Q
> ...can only be taken as the result of animal spirits ...

Distilled squirrel?

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 12/31/2009 3:38:14 PM # Q

Laptops in the Year 2000 Were the Smartphones of Today

VAIOs in the Year 2000 Were the Netbooks of Today

http://gizmodo.com/5437844/laptops-in-the-year-2000-were-the-smartphones-of-today


RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 12/31/2009 5:14:57 PM # Q
There is no talking to Gekko any more. He only knows what he reads -- and even that he doesn't frikkin understand.
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 1/1/2010 5:35:07 AM # Q

what do you mean? what specifically do you disagree with?

Sony was making Netbooks back in 2000. albeit expensive.


RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 1/1/2010 10:13:36 AM # Q
Your Keynes quote. Less wanking, more thinking.
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 1/1/2010 11:20:16 AM # Q

Con - it appears you made it to 2010. but what are the chances that you'll see 2011? the way i see it with your weak immune system and poor judgment - you're only one bad contaminated slice of pizza or one dumb pedestrian mishap away from winning a Darwin Award. hopefully they'll find more than just a pair of black converse and a grease spot left.

RE: OT: Netbook
DarthRepublican @ 1/1/2010 11:21:43 AM # Q
Gekko wrote:

what do you mean? what specifically do you disagree with?

Sony was making Netbooks back in 2000. albeit expensive.

And that's precisely the problem with this position. A netbook by my definition is not supposed to be expensive. The whole point of netbooks is that they are cheap because they are designed specifically for web and email use -- hence the name "netbook." Sony made small, expensive general purpose laptops which were made with the exact same chips as any other 2000 era laptop. There was no low power Atom chip designed to minimize battery life in 2000. There were only tiny (by the standards of the era), little VAIO laptops which even the sales drone would concede that "it looks like a toy" which would have meager battery life and would cost at least $500 more than a comparably specced big boy laptop.

The old Sony VAIO laptops were not netbooks then and the MacBook Air is not a netbook today.
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RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 1/1/2010 11:31:30 AM # Q

of course they were not exactly netbooks but they helped pave the way. i would say they were far more like netbooks than are that God forsaken fooleo was. it boils my blood when i hear someone claim that the stillborn weak crippled ill fated fooleo was the first netbook. BULLSHIT! revisionist history.
RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 1/1/2010 5:30:18 PM # Q
At least you have the wee mental capacity left after disturbing pr0n viewing to still differentiate the Foleo from netbooks. The Foleo was nothing but a frikkin weak-ass PDA tarted-up as a mini notebook.
RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 1/2/2010 9:41:36 AM # Q
RE: OT: Netbook
DarthRepublican @ 1/2/2010 10:07:47 AM # Q
My god, it's like they updated Eliza and turned it loose on PIC.
Palm Apologist
Shouting down the PIC Faithful Since 2009
Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX->Palm Pre
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1->Palm Pre
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 1/2/2010 12:11:12 PM # Q
A *retarded* Eliza, that is.

Gekko thinks these are Converses?
http://twitpic.com/7arbz

What a maroon!

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 1/2/2010 3:01:16 PM # Q

wtf double velcro shoes? what are you going for? the Rain Man look???

RE: OT: Netbook
Gekko @ 1/2/2010 3:04:21 PM # Q

or senior citizen???


RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 1/3/2010 2:35:11 PM # Q
LIGAF what you or anyone else thinks of my footwear? What are you saying now, that you have some sort of sick shoe fetish in addition to all the other ones?
RE: OT: Netbook
Tim Carroll @ 1/3/2010 4:56:11 PM # Q
Velcro shoes are awesome. Haven't had any since high school, though...
RE: OT: Netbook
mikecane @ 1/3/2010 6:26:53 PM # Q
IDGAF when YOU had those kinds of shoes. They're MY damned feet.
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OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT

Gekko @ 12/23/2009 6:03:07 PM # Q
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Tim Carroll @ 12/23/2009 6:46:09 PM # Q
Oh gawd. I hope we don't get another repeat of original iPhone-style hype. That was bad enough to live through once...
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Gekko @ 12/23/2009 6:49:54 PM # Q

how's the Pre treating you? is it growing on you yet? like a bad rash???


RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Tim Carroll @ 12/23/2009 7:16:16 PM # Q
It's grown on me - love the interface, hate hate HATE the lag - but I still miss the Centro.

I'm actually facing a dilemma now - joining the Aus Army in a few weeks on Jan 19th and wondering which one I'll take to boot camp. I don't think the Pre is tough enough, and battery life sucks too much. I don't think it'd serve me well there...

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Gekko @ 12/23/2009 7:20:27 PM # Q

the army? may i ask why?

congratulations and good luck.

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Tim Carroll @ 12/23/2009 7:36:36 PM # Q
^^ 'cause my career in office jobs up 'til now has been entirely unsatisfying, and I want to take my life in a new direction before it's too late to do so. (25 now. already i feel old and ancient)

I'm doing an apprenticeship. Gonna be a Telecoms Tech (i.e. mr. fixit for all the comms equipment and general IT stuff) - 80 days of boot camp and then two years training at the School of Signals. Signing up for six years' service... have no idea what my Internet access is gonna be like at Sigs so I may or may not be still blogging for PIC once I'm there. Dunno at this stage.

but thanks!

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
nastebu @ 12/24/2009 12:46:07 AM # Q
Congratulations Tim.

On the by and by, I come from a military family (Mexican military, then American). My cousins used to say that there were only two good reasons to go into the service: 1.) you want to jump start your life, 2.) you like to blow things up.

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2009 3:01:30 AM # Q
In the US, I believe, you have all private possessions taken away from you to assist in rebuilding you from the ground up. Don't hold me to that, however, since that is based on anecdotal, not personal, evidence.

I'd imagine non-military-issued cell phones would be right out. And any cell phone WITH a camera right OUT.

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
nastebu @ 12/24/2009 4:19:12 AM # Q
In the US, also, I understand, you're cut off from the mainstream media to assist in the process of breaking you down into component parts. So perhaps no iTablet hype for you either.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2009 4:24:34 AM # Q
Yeah - total reconstruction. Based off what I've seen "personal possessions" means EVERYTHING.

For someone like myself who has NEVER used a razor to shave (always an electric shaver), it must be an interesting and especially painful experience!

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
SeldomVisitor @ 12/24/2009 5:49:02 AM # Q
Curiosity got the better of me so I googled "what to take to boot camp" and got solid hits:

http://www.army.com/enlist/bootcamp-what-to-bring.html

The Marines are not quite as liberal:

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25168

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
CFreymarc @ 12/24/2009 6:05:35 AM # Q
To try to guide this thread back to the subject, I would not be surprised this is the tablet launch. Since Apple is not attending MacWorld six weeks later, this is their big 1Q10 event.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Gekko @ 12/24/2009 8:04:19 AM # Q

but don't the Aussie's have a Navy???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw


RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Gekko @ 12/24/2009 8:08:30 AM # Q
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Tim Carroll @ 12/24/2009 2:07:18 PM # Q
SV: you are right. Recruits aren't allowed to have phones at all for the first four weeks. After that, though, even though the rules say you shouldn't have one on you, my bro (himself an army Captain) says things get a bit more lax and most wind up hanging on to one.

You take one suitcase, and yep, no electric shavers. But I've always used a razor anyways... electric shavers seem like an unnecessary expense for something so simple. (Although the price of replacement blades always seem to be going up by ridiculous amounts.)

Gekko: I'm convinced that the Village People are single-handedly responsible for the plummeting recruit numbers of various navies around the globe...

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Tim Carroll @ 12/24/2009 2:07:51 PM # Q
oh, and thanks, nastebu!
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
mikecane @ 12/24/2009 3:32:36 PM # Q
To get back on frikkin topic:

Why A 7-Inch iTablet Makes Sense
http://ebooktest.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/why-a-7-inch-itablet-makes-sense/

Poor Gekko. He's being surrounded by Apple Apple Apple Apple.

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Tim Carroll @ 12/25/2009 3:45:42 PM # Q
So long as you don't have to sync the damn "iSlate" (presuming that's what it will wind up being called) with iTunes, I'd be interested in it in a way I'm not interested in the iPhone. Wouldn't be carrying a tablet around with me everywhere and it wouldn't be my primary messaging device, so no requirement for a physical keyboard like I have with my phone.

Could be a viable replacement for the Eee...

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
mikecane @ 12/26/2009 12:05:36 PM # Q
Of course you'll have to sync it with iTunes. Stop being silly.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
jca666us @ 12/26/2009 12:29:42 PM # Q
>So long as you don't have to sync the damn "iSlate" (presuming that's what it
>will wind up being called) with iTunes, I'd be interested in it in a way I'm not
>interested in the iPhone.

Which means you're not really interested - if it's like any other Apple product, Apple will be looking to leverage their "walled garden" to support it.

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
Tim Carroll @ 12/26/2009 2:34:24 PM # Q
Cane: I live in hope that Apple will eventually junk their shitty desktop software for either (a) some good desktop software or (b) an equivalent on-device system.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
mikecane @ 12/27/2009 7:51:40 AM # Q
It's the DRM that makes it necessary.
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
CFreymarc @ 12/27/2009 4:59:29 PM # Q
On the 26th? There are those here that are looking forward to this more than Christmas this month!
RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
nastebu @ 12/27/2009 6:55:24 PM # Q
It's a pretty safe bet that Apple is going in the other direction from what Tim wants--more iTunes integration and an expansion of iTunes's reach rather than a device liberated from syncing. It seems like the best guess for what Apple will do with the tablet is to make it the front end of Apple-invented new ways of distributing content--books, magazines, tv, etc.

If Apple had just wanted to release a convention tablet computer, or something to directly compete in the net book market, they would have done so last year I think.

RE: OT: Apple Tablet Event: Jan. 26 In San Francisco, Says FT
gmayhak @ 12/27/2009 7:52:05 PM # Q
My guess for an Apple Tablet would be a landscape mode at least 960 X 480 pixels, compatible with all iPhone apps and able to multitask any three apps onscreen (and eventually an sdk for full screen apps).
They know that without the app store it would just be another foleo or newton.

Gary

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