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Verizon's own website now shows a small teaser that states the Treo 600 smartphone is "coming soon."
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You hear that, Foo?

sub_tex @ 4/7/2004 1:43:10 PM #
Happy now? :)

RE: You hear that, Foo?
Foo Fighter @ 4/7/2004 3:13:37 PM #
*rubbing eyes in disbelief* AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

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RE: You hear that, Foo?
The Ugly Tooth @ 4/7/2004 5:34:56 PM #
Who is verizon ?

"Sometimes the tooth just isn't pretty"
RE: You hear that, Foo?
mikecane @ 4/7/2004 6:05:02 PM #
So what if Verizon carries it?

What makes all of you think Foo will actually *get* it?

Why, there are people here who haven't upgraded their PDA in years! YEARS!

Oh, um, wait a minute -- that "people" is *me*!

RE: You hear that, Foo?
abosco @ 4/7/2004 8:08:38 PM #
There are also people who still don't even have a cell phone. Oh wait a minute, that's still you!

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: You hear that, Foo?
Foo Fighter @ 4/7/2004 11:37:09 PM #
>> "What makes all of you think Foo will actually *get* it?"

This coming from a guy that drooled all over the TH55 when it was first announced, saying how exciting and wonderful it was....and never purchased one after all.

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RE: You hear that, Foo?
mikecane @ 4/8/2004 5:15:44 PM #
Foo: Did you just see the over-a-megabyte EGG Sony had laid -- the patches that must now take up some of that 32MB of RAM? *Now* do you see why I am *NOT* and *NEVER* will be an early adopter?

I have bought *nothing* yet, so the best you can complain is that I haven't bought a TH55 *yet*.

RE: You hear that, Foo?
gfunkmagic @ 4/8/2004 5:24:48 PM #
Man, both of you are pathetic! BUY something already!! ;)

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RE: You hear that, Foo?
gfunkmagic @ 4/8/2004 5:25:56 PM #
P.S. You all do realize that folks have been using the Treo600 unofficially on Verizon for months now right?

http://discuss.treocentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48493&highlight=verizon+faq

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RE: You hear that, Foo?
Foo Fighter @ 4/8/2004 5:27:02 PM #
>> "the patches that must now take up some of that 32MB of RAM?"

And now you know why I will never again purchase a PalmOS device with less than 64MB of RAM. 32 is way too limited for my tastes.

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RE: You hear that, Foo?
abosco @ 4/8/2004 5:30:38 PM #
This coming from a guy who bought a Pocket PC with 32MB RAM! That's like suicide!

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: You hear that, Foo?
Foo Fighter @ 4/8/2004 10:21:20 PM #
>> "This coming from a guy who bought a Pocket PC with 32MB RAM! That's like suicide!"

Uh, no it has 64. Well, actually 56 user accessible. But it can't be upgraded to the latest Windows Mobile Service pack. So no landscape view for me.

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RE: You hear that, Foo?
abosco @ 4/9/2004 1:43:29 AM #
Didn't you review an Axim Basic? Or is there one more recent?

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T616
RE: You hear that, Foo?
Foo Fighter @ 4/9/2004 2:46:50 AM #
I was using an Axim Basic, but right now I've got a iPaq 1945.

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Yeah!

HeavyUser @ 4/7/2004 1:45:32 PM #
Wooo-hoooo!!!! I want one!!!

RE: Yeah!
hkklife @ 4/7/2004 1:55:53 PM #
Woo-hooo here too!

Now, I'll be absolutely content with the 610 is out on Verizon...or when Verizon has a Moto phone w/ built-in BT.

RE: Yeah!
hgoldner @ 4/7/2004 7:13:00 PM #
I went to the demo days at Sprint last week to see the Treo 600 (again, again, again) and asked the PalmOne reps who were there *specifically* whether they anticipated any new Treo's this spring.

He said he believed that any new Treo's in the 600 or later series would not be out 'til fall.

My guess is Ryan's intelligence sources are more reliable than that, but the source was credible.

Of equal interest was the fact that while both PalmOne reps there had Treo's they said they regularly relied upon, I know that BOTH reps were using other Palm OS units because I saw them use them, rather than their Treo's.

Oh, and one of them was using a Clie....but emphatically denied it when pressed (and wouldn't take it out to disprove my assertion....)

H.

Meanwhile, over at CompUSA

Proteus @ 4/7/2004 3:45:21 PM #
Just saw (20 minutes ago) the Treo 600 at CompUSA being offered for $299 -- that's not a type-o -- w/ in-store activation w/ Sprint. In terms of what Verizon may be planning to "offer," keep in mind that there is a BIG difference between that and "stocking" them. AT&T has had the Treo 600 on backorder for as long as I can remember....
RE: Meanwhile, over at CompUSA
TooMuch @ 4/7/2004 8:52:11 PM #
You can order and receive a Treo 600 overnight from AT&T right now via their national sales over the phone. They have stock now (maybe not in the local retail stores yet). Just got one for an associate.

RE: Meanwhile, over at CompUSA
Gekko @ 4/7/2004 10:35:46 PM #

1. Sprint Network Coverage Sucks.

2. AT&T GPRS Network Coverage Sucks.


RE: Meanwhile, over at CompUSA
Proteus @ 4/8/2004 10:58:32 PM #
Too Much: Following your posting here, I called AT&T to see about this overnight availability. Nope, still out of stock -- heck, their CSRs can't even call up history information on their screens for it! (Talk about making no sense: They can't even talk from a frame of reference?) So, I dunno.... The other thing I'd keep in mind is that even if I did blunder into a window and somehow get a phone, what if there was a problem? No way to switch me out? That would require a LOT of faith -- in something just out (for them).

"For Business" ???

grapemonk @ 4/7/2004 6:24:11 PM #
It's interesting that it's not listed in the "For You" column. Does this mean it will only be available initally as part of a business package, and not to individuals?


Business customers?
Scott R @ 4/8/2004 10:21:45 AM #
It probably means that they'll be overpricing it. Targeted at consumers = consumer-friendly pricing. Targeted at business customers = overpriced.

Scott

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What about pricing?

littlebeancurd @ 4/7/2004 11:46:09 PM #
So I've taken a look at Verizon Wireless' pricing, and don't any of you think it seems a bit outrageous?

They seem to have a PDA pricing scheme, and it's super dooper high. Am I just spoiled by the $10/$15 unlimited Vision from SprintPCS?


me, littlebeancurd

Well....

vesther @ 4/7/2004 11:56:26 PM #
Verizon better keep up with their promise mainly because all they've been offering lately are outdated equipment. Moreover, some of the phones apparently have either voice receiving issues, and/or clarity issues, such as the Motorola T720C.

Second of all, if Verizon was to attract Palm OS-souls, then Verizon shouldn't restrict the PalmOne Treo 600 to Business-Types, as the Treo 600 is probably gonna be used by all types of people who want a PDA and a Cell Phone in one device.

Third, I hope that Verizon can start a relationship with PalmOne in order to broaden choice of their electronic devices mainly because their selection of phones as I speak doesn't look too attractive at this point, mainly because the majority of the phones are either Audiovoxes or LGs. Let's see MORE Palm OS-based phones like this within Verizon's Network.

Finally, once Verizon starts a relationship with a Palm-OS-based Phone Maker, that Verizon continues its long-term commitment to provide Palm OS-based phones rather than providing Pocket PC-based phones. An alliance with MSN is just WAY TOO MUCH IMO.

Anyway, let's see MORE Palm OS-based devices on Verizon's CDMA Phone Roster.

In addition, it's not just Verizon that needs some culture, it's EVERYONE. US Cellular, Nextel, you name it.

A Palm-Powered Handheld is the bread and butter for many people. Without a Palm-Powered Handheld, your progress is all for naught.

RE: Well....
Proteus @ 4/9/2004 11:49:56 AM #
Just to be clear, Verizon has had a relationship w/ a PalmOne supplier -- vis a vis the Kyocera 7235 -- for some time now. Realizing that the battery issue may be a fly in the ointment, I'm guessing they will none the less be looking to that history in terms of what they do w/ expanding Palm OS relationships. And you know, I know there are some who will criticize the Kyocera now that Samsung is out w/ the i500 and such. But remember that they were really out front w/ convergence, and when it first came out, the 7135 was considered top of the line.

Soon in Verizonspeak ....

talos4 @ 4/8/2004 2:04:17 AM #
.... is anywhere from 3 to 9 months.

Verizon is pathetically slow in rolling out new phones. For all the time they take in 'testing' and rollout, they STILL screw it up (ala 720c debacle).

Whoevers managing their handset programs should be fired. It's cost them a lot of subscribers and money.

This is welcome news. Verizon is very late to the party, but at least they're showing up this time.

-R

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RE: Soon in Verizonspeak ....
WireLess_OneDer @ 4/8/2004 2:26:16 AM #
I'd say that poor network management will get you fired sooner than offering a limited choice of handsets. I'd bet the network engineers at AT&T Wireless are brushing up their resumes right now.

Get real! VZW doesn't make the handsets, they just sell them for use on their network. I'd fault Nokia, Motorola, Sony/Ericsson and the like, for not manufacturing phones for the VZW CDMA network.

VZW would love to offer all of those cool Nokias with ringtones, bluetooth, flashing lights...etc...
But Nokia has to make them before VZW can sell them!

PalmOne has ONE device for sale to cellular carriers the Treo 600. Atleast LG and Samsung have a complete line of phones in their lineup.

So let me see...VZW is supposed to drop everything and get the Treo600 approved so that the handful of users who want to use a 600 will be delighted??????

Buy a Treo 600 and go with Sprint.....of course it doesn't matter how good the phone is if the network sucks.

......Waiting for the Moto V710 to pair with my T3.....

RE: Soon in Verizonspeak ....
SeldomVisitor @ 4/8/2004 6:25:04 AM #
As of this morning that unworking tease has been yanked and replaced with a working link.

To a Mobile PC phone.

3G???

batmon @ 4/8/2004 10:17:45 PM #
Will it work with Verizon's 3G at data rate between 300K ~ 600K? Isn't it just the software side need to have something being done?

Verizon Network Question

Gekko @ 4/8/2004 10:49:52 PM #
Does Verizon Wireless use ONE network for all their phones or is it like AT&T Wireless where they have 2 networks - a TDMA one and a GPRS one? Are all Verizon's phones/network CDMA only?

AT&T's TDMA Network is great but can't do data well, and their GPRS Network sucks. I use the AT&T TDMA network.

I may have to defect to Verizon if the data/voice coverage is extensive/all-in-one.


RE: Verizon Network Question
Foo Fighter @ 4/9/2004 12:09:32 PM #
Verizon uses all CDMA. Except for new broadband network called EVDO they are preparing to roll out nationwide. Verizon will be the first wireless carrier offering broadband data speeds.

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RE: Verizon Network Question
Foo Fighter @ 4/9/2004 12:27:44 PM #
Let me restate what I said earlier because it came out wrong. I meant to say that Verizon's network is COMPLETELY CDMA based, including the new broadband EVDO architecture.

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RE: Verizon Network Question
batmon @ 4/9/2004 4:24:48 PM #
So can Treo 600 works with Verizon's broadband??

RE: Verizon Network Question
Foo Fighter @ 4/9/2004 9:57:29 PM #
Yes. EVDO runs on top of Verizon's CDMA network, so the Treo 600 should automatically support this technology seamlessly.

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RE: Verizon Network Question
gfunkmagic @ 4/9/2004 10:25:13 PM #
>>>>>Yes. EVDO runs on top of Verizon's CDMA network, >>>so the Treo 600 should automatically support this >>technology seamlessly.


No that's incorrect... The 1xEvDo that Foo is referring to is the 2nd generation roll out of cdma2000. The CDMA Treo600 ONLY supports 1xrtt and cannot run use 1xEvDo...sorry. AFAIK, it would require a completely different radio to support 1xEvDo just as the current quad-band GSM Treo600 cannot suport Edge. You have to wait for the next generation Treo to support these 3G standards...


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RE: Verizon Network Question
gfunkmagic @ 4/9/2004 10:32:02 PM #
>>>>>>Does Verizon Wireless use ONE network for all their phones or is it like AT&T Wireless where they have 2 networks - a TDMA one and a GPRS one? Are all Verizon's phones/network CDMA only?

Gekko,

Verizon's network is all CDMA and analog. It's CDMA network mostly works in the 800 MHz band while Sprint exclusivley works one the 1900 MHz frequency band. Verizon also has analog which is convenient in rural areas where digital coverage isn't as good, but this is irrelavent to Treo600 users b/c the Treo is only dual band 800/1900 MHz CDMA and does not have AMPs! DOH! Verizon wireless Express Network or data connectivity is based on 1xrtt although they have also begun rolling out 1xEvDo or "data only" in select market as well. Sprint has decided to completely forgoe Do and will jump straight to 1xEvDv at a later date fyi..

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RE: Verizon Network Question
Gekko @ 4/10/2004 9:14:41 PM #
thanks for the replies.

so are you saying in theory that a Verizon-Treo600 will not have the same coverage capability as another Verizon phone because the Treo doesn't do Analog?

RE: Verizon Network Question
gfunkmagic @ 4/11/2004 5:40:51 AM #
>>>>>>so are you saying in theory that a Verizon-Treo600 will not have the same coverage capability as another Verizon phone because the Treo doesn't do Analog?


Nothing theoretical about it. The Treo600 doesn't have AMPs and thus can't roam in anaolog. But the digital coverage of Verizon is pretty good and you have two digital bands to fall back on.

Besides the days of analog are numbered anyways. Companies like Verizon want to gradually move away from analog b/c their digital coverage has gotten better reducing the need for analog. Also, you can't access data connectivity if your using analag..

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RE: Verizon Network Question
Gekko @ 4/11/2004 9:33:19 AM #

AT&T GPRS/GSM network sucks right now, especially in rural areas. Hopefully, the merger with Cingular will drastically increase coverage/quality. I don't want to switch from TDMA until the GPRS/GSM covers about 85%+ of the TDMA area.

Has anyone here recently switched from AT&T TDMA to AT&T GPRS/GSM? Comments?

RE: Verizon Network Question
batmon @ 4/12/2004 10:13:07 PM #
When you said "different radio", do you mean hardware wise needs to be different or the software apps/drivers can manage to make it work with existing hardware? If hardware needs to be added, is it possible to have it in SD card add-on to make it work??

btw, I am using AT&T GSM in San Jose, CA, and the singals is not that good. Verizon works the best here.

>>>>>No that's incorrect... The 1xEvDo that Foo is referring to is the 2nd generation roll out of cdma2000. The CDMA Treo600 ONLY supports 1xrtt and cannot run use 1xEvDo...sorry. AFAIK, it would require a completely different radio to support 1xEvDo just as the current quad-band GSM Treo600 cannot suport Edge. You have to wait for the next generation Treo to support these 3G standards...

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