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RE: 15 seconds?!
[signature0]the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse[/signature0]
[signature1]My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71.... so ends the "marathon", for now[/signature1]
RE: 15 seconds?!
RE: 15 seconds?!
Terri Jo
RE: 15 seconds?!
I'd actually rather see full-screen version of the arcade originals instead of lame 2600 ports but at leat 2.0 is a step in the right direction. Now, how about MDM offering SOME kind of upgrade/trade-in for owners of the lame existing card? In this age of 64 & 128mb Palms, I think we could all spare a few hundred kb of main memory for the newer executables.
(I'll save the rant about the non-upgradability of most MMC/SD retail titles at a later time) Suffice to say, mostly from getting burned by the PopCap & Atari cards (no upgrade path to newer versions w/ bug fixes & new features) has pretty much guaranteed that I'll stick to purchasing new games via downloading over retail packaging in the future. Are you listening, Tapwave?
RE: 15 seconds?!
RE: 15 seconds?!
That or Atari said 15 seconds top on the demo.
-- Fammy
RE: 15 seconds?!
The fullscreen alone makes it better. What about us suckers who bought the card before the software version was released. Aaron should have an upgrade policy...I feel ripped off...
MDM (www.gomdm.com) is the distributor for the MMC and ESD product. i am not sure what their policy is with providing updates for the MMC card (version 1.0). i will discuss the issue with them; however - i have noticed a few people have emailed me privately with questions - which i will answer when i return to sweden (tonight).
RE: 15 seconds?!
15 seconds was the time limit agreed on between the distributors and the owners. we, as the developers just had to implement it that way. not much we can do there unfortunately.
Now, how about MDM offering SOME kind of upgrade/trade-in for owners of the lame existing card? In this age of 64 & 128mb Palms, I think we could all spare a few hundred kb of main memory for the newer executables.
contact me offline (support@mobilewizardry.com) - and, i'll provide information to MDM direct for the issue at hand. we of course, support our users 100%. the ESD version is platform dependent, where the MMC card is platform independent. there may be a number of options available:
a) send-in exchange for MMC (to MDM direct)
b) exchange MMC for the ESD version
c) provide an MMC image for rewriting to your MMC
while, we are not the ones making the final decision - if i was to meet you on the street i would put your MMC card in my laptop and get it updated :) thats how we operate at mobilewizardry - the main issue is that we are not the distributor of the product; all support will be directed to MDM.
all the three options above *can* be done; but, its not my decision to say whether we can. contact me offline, and i will see what i can do - Atari make a lot of money on this software; we actually dont make a single cent from the MMC version - our interest (and, support) is with the ESD version which we do actively provide support for.
some users have even asked me for custom changes; which, i have done :) (if its easy). :P you never know unless you ask! :P
Suffice to say, mostly from getting burned by the PopCap & Atari cards (no upgrade path to newer versions w/ bug fixes & new features) has pretty much guaranteed that I'll stick to purchasing new games via downloading over retail packaging in the future.
this is a great choice - however, most people dont trust buying stuff online; hence, where the issue comes in. retail markets actually give the developer less money (yet, provide much more volumes).
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Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php
RE: Like a Buying a Rotary Phone in 2004
Personally, I love to veg out with a game of Yar's revenge every once in a blue moon.
RE: Like a Buying a Rotary Phone in 2004
Because that's the point here. Not running the latest greatest anything, but re-experiencing an old and favored game.
Some people drive really old cars or airplanes for pleasure occaisionally too.
How lame is the Gaming scene on Palm?
PalmOne SERIOUSLY needs to get a gaming partnership program in-house to assist game developers with creating quality 3D-type and strategy games for the Palm. They are and have been missing out on a huge market for years.
So why am I still with Palm? That's a great question...
Nokia 3650 bluetooth magnate
RE: How lame is the Gaming scene on Palm?
But I can tell you with loads of personal experience that the first thing most of the mobile sales/tech force that I know do when issued a new laptop is right-click and go to display properties to see what kind of video card is in their new laptop and see if it'll run whatever shooter or 3d title is the current flavor of the month. Of all of the titles I own or have paid to register in the past four to five years, 3/4 of them are games. I use my apps the most frequently but it's nice to have 30 different games on my SD card for whenever the mood strikes me. Rayman and, especially, Warfare Inc. are the closest you can get to "real" gaming on a Palm. Warfare Inc. support the latest hardware, multiplayer, and downloadable fan-created content. I've been playing the game basically non-stop since I registered it last year.
Palm could have carved out a nice niche years ago with a D-pad navigator thingie on OS4 machines. Remember, there wasn't a backlit Gameboy until the SP was released last year. I know that I personally gave up on GameBoy after the first Advane had that big but dim screen, preferring even a dim m505 to use when on an airplane etc.
It's basically the chicken or the egg situation here, with Palm refusing to do too much for developers that aren't selling a load of games®istrations...but the developers will claim that no one wants to game on a Palm b/c of the lackluster hardware. I recently read an interview that one developer said there would be Palm version of his PPC title because until the T2/T3/T|C/Z72, there were no Palms that could really handle the hardware demands of that particular game. Since the majority of the existing Palm user base had slow CPUs, too few buttons or too little memory (Zires, m1xxs etc), they were taking a wait and see approach. So it continues ad infinitum...
This same lack of developer support is going to be the absolute nail in the Zodiac coffin, despite a nice feature set and better-than-I-expected hardware. Really, you cannot even get a good web browser for the Zodiac! So it has a glaring lack of quality games and now we're seeing some of the top Palm non-game apps (WebPro etc) refusing to run on the Zod. A very bad omen indeed.
RE: How lame is the Gaming scene on Palm?
I initially thought that PPC was behind in POS gaming, but in the past few months, i gotta say that PPC is about right up here with POS. POS will still have a TON of freeware games, and have alot of support for shareware versions of various popular games, but many games are now being ported PPC (or were ported FROM them to begin with), and their [PPC]hardware has better emu support, which is where quite a few handheld gaming fans want to be at.
[signature0]the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse[/signature0]
[signature1]My PDAs: Visor --> Visor Neo (blue) --> Zire 71.... so ends the "marathon", for now[/signature1]
RE: How lame is the Gaming scene on Palm?
Abysma- Interesting for the first few weeks, but I'm not real fond of games that just get harder until you fail, unless they are very interesting. If you play for hours or quit immediately, you get the same results.
AcidSolitare- Plenty of hidden features that make this one never get old.
Agent Z2- LoRes but fun. Being nteresting, but not mentally taxing, make it a keeper.
Ball2- You will either have fun or get pissed.
Bejeweled- A standard, but it's been a while since I played.
Breakout- Flawless graphics and sound, only wish the paddle would self-center with the stylus like AtomSmash.
Cubis- Great graphics, cool music, little too intense for casual use.
Defender2- Good replica of original, but almost impossible to play unless you have a Dpad. Begs for a Zod or external controller.
Dreamway- Great graphics, odd but pleasing sound effects, wish you could slow it down though.
Interstellar Flames- Pumped music, easy gameplay... too easy in some cases. Also will not remember your exact gamepoint; exiting the game forces a level restart.
Insaniquarium- Blast to play, and you can set the pace to be relaxing or frantic.
IR-Pong2- LoRes and simple, but allwos two player between a Zod and a even a Palm IIIe.
Jack- This will consume all your free time for weeks, though you may want to select your own music background. Yes, you will groan when you finish the game and get the punchline to the odd "Barbeque" referrence.
Joust- Well done blast from the past. LoRes but still enjoyable.
MicroQuad- Currently one of my time suckers, has me looking for other BT devices for network play.
Monopoly- Yeah, the classic. Moves faster than the real version because the banker is instant. Multiplayer mode is clunky though (Move, beam game, move, beam game back).
Monsta- I'll probably keep this one forever, entertaining but not mindless. Still waiting for hiRes though.
Othello- one of several different versions, looking for one with good graphics and sound, but not looking too hard ;)
Pacman- The game that will not die. My version by Horace Ho is a good re-creation of the original. It's loRes and does not recognize the Dpad for left and right, but you can modify the buttons so the Dpad does up and down, and the other buttons go left or right in a logical fashion.
Planet Lander- The graphics do not go beyond the nostalgic green line art of the original Lunar Lander, but it does add velocity guide indicators which I wish I had in the original. I had to get this one because my brother modified the code of the Apple /// version to get horizontal screen wrap, making it easy to make a new contest out of building speed and making the biggest crater.
PocketChess- For those moments when I'm feeling intelectual (pun intended).
Police- Not a lot of fun after the first two days, but has not been deleted yet.
Rayman- Fun and brightly colored, but slow. Slow on everything. I used to be able to speed it up on my M515 by overclocking to 50Mhz (scarrrry), but the game does not change speed at all on OS5 devices, even at 532Mhz. It must do auto detect now.
RifleSlugs W- Nice graphics despite some 320x480 screen corruptions when the game ends. The WWW network feature would be nice... if there was someone there to play with. Been about 3 months since I've seen anyone online.
Sonic- OK, this is just the demo version, but my LauncherX games folder has Sonic as the icon, so... I'd buy this game if the price came down, OR if they had something better than 160x160 res. On the good side, it moves a thousand times better than Rayman.
Spy Hunter- Yeah, old loRes version, but still amusing once in a while.
Super Duck 3D- wild adventures with a duck that can't fly or swim, but at least he can teleport! Don't play this one much due to the embarassment factor. "Hey Dude, what'cha playin' there?" "Nevermind"
Tetris- Everyone is bored with this, except those without handhelds. I keep it around just in case.
Vexed- mind bending puzzle, and freeware I believe.
Warfare- This is my other time waster. Even the demo will keep you busy for hours at a time. Even if it did not have over a dozen story missions, downloadable mission packs, and a desktop mission editor, you could play a thousand different variations of one level. Network support is excellent for up to four players, and you can stay online as an observer after getting wiped out. No difference between PPC or Palm versions other than screen res. Warning: a heated multiplayer game can go for well over an hour, and the graphics are so detailed you will end up with your face in your PDA and hurt your eyes.
Zap!2016- Still got this one. It was my first game, and is still fun on ocassion. The latest version brought enhanced sound, but I did not like them any better than the prior version. Still no new levels, but you can continue the theme in their new game...
RE: How lame is the Gaming scene on Palm?
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Psion 5> Vx > m505 > N770C > T625C > NR70V > e310 > T/T > HP h2210 > T/T3 & h4150
StarTac 75 > T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630
RE: How lame is the Gaming scene on Palm?
If you really want some great games for the PDA, get NesEm and purchase some ROMs. There are plenty of sites on the internet where you can legally purchase ROMs of the old games. Not only are some of the games still pretty good, it brings back great memories of the Nintendo!
RE: How lame is the Gaming scene on Palm?
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Psion 5> Vx > m505 > N770C > T625C > NR70V > e310 > T/T > HP h2210 > T/T3 & h4150
StarTac 75 > T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630
RE: How lame is the Gaming scene on Palm?
Pocket Mini Golf and Pocket Mini Golf eXtra were recently released for the Zodiac. These are both ports of the award winning sports game from Momentumgames.
http://www.tapwave.com/titles_pmgolf.html
http://www.tapwave.com/titles_pmgolfx.html
Personally I think it more a problem of companies not wanting the popular games converted to the Palm and/or Zodiac. They view it as too much of a risk for the money. Or they want the developer to put money up for the right to develop it instead of paying a developer and publishing it themselves. Developing a new title is risky at best. Game companies are losing out on a lot of missed revenue from gaming on the Palm.
Chip
This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
"Rumor: Garmin iQue 3200 Coming?", four posts in a day
"PalmSource Posts 20 New Expert Guides", four posts in a day
"New Wireless Network Backup Solution", two comments in four days
and oddly,
"Atari Retro 2.0 Emulator Released", fourteen comments in less than two hours!!!!
This pattern totally nulls out most validity to majority view of this camp. Please guys, get away from your computers and PDAs for a while. Get to a bar, club, volunteer group, church social ... and a makeover may be in order too.
I'll be taking my coat as I leave the door now.
RE: This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
A lot of peopel ar einto retro, because old games tended to have 5 minute play value, as opposed to 100 hour logn epics like they have nowadays.
This post of yours is either a troll, or your'e really ignorant of what a lot of people do for entertainment ;) Or maybe you never realiZed how many Playstations got sold the last 10 years?
(Certainly, people should get outside, but by suggesting 16 posts on a thread on the web means people have no lives really shows naivette on your part! Its not D&D playing nerds in their closets playing games like it was 20 years ago :)
jeff
The Shadow knows!
RE: This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
jeff
The Shadow knows!
RE: This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
There really is nothing to be gained by slinging mud in such an immature fashion like that. I suppose that by your reckoning we should just sit around and let PIC dwindle here in the summer doldrums instead of trying to get a lively debate going about a topic that is near and dear to the hearts of MANY individuals?
Palm gaming (not PDA gaming but PALM OS gaming) is a very niche market and not adequately covered by any of the mainstream websites IMHO. PDArcade does a decent job but is far too PPC-centric.
You might be interested to know that Ryan is planning on adding a weekly gaming review/spotlight column to PIC. I intend to be a regular, enthusiastic contributor and encourage other PIC readers to join in with any applicable content--don't pay attention to these wannabe hip naysayers!
Since when was it "cool" to carry a PDA but "uncool" to play a game on one? Is someone going to now post that cheesy little cell phone games are "permitted" by the digerati hipsters with "lives" but Palm games aren't?
Sheesh!
RE: This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6886#95156
...and implied he is an Apple employee...
(pity, looks like his post bragging about a 3-number Apple employee badge was deleted in one of Facey's debacles...)
...and jokes about TSR being still alive on the PocketPC (while defending Palm OS!, demostrating that he has no idea about what he's talking about - still somehow he says he "reviews PDAs for enterprise projects")...
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=6937#95659
...and compares Palm critics to "evil anti-war protestors"...
http://www.palminfocentre.com/view_story.asp?ID=6927#95482
...but man, I could not expect a post like his last one. "3 posts here but 12 posts there, ergo here there are lots of losers". So lovely.
(Will he come back to say that he expected his post to stir something up - like he did after his "evil anti-war protestors" post? I'd say that that IS the definition of a troll...)
RE: This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
We better not risk it!
Hey, Rhino, you twit: Keep counting posts. Maybe that'll keep you from actually POSTING.
RE: This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
WOW! There is a whole world out there!
...and all it took was some shmuck on an internet website to point it out!
RE: This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
Game on, MF!
RE: This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
Haha! Outside the glass! How funny, we all know there is no such thing as "outside the glass"!
C'mon, you're scaring me - you were joking, huh? There's *nothing* outside that glass!
(curls in horror)
RE: This Shows How Many Losers Are Here ...
I hope Gambit Studios are releasing Freedom next !
I've been eagerly waiting for this for a long time...
RE: I hope Gambit Studios are releasing Freedom next !
A certain (unnamed) 800-pound gorilla (dum-de-dum-dum) is currently holding Polly Freedom hostage, and it's up to the "plumber" to figure out a way to save her. Unfortunately, this gorilla seems to have an endless supply of lawyers and money to throw at the plumber.
Now I am beginning to understand the deep analogy of an 80's video game :D
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