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palmOne has released a new SD WiFi card. The new SDIO card adds WiFi connectivity via the secure digital expansion slot to the Tungsten T3 and Zire 72 handhelds only. Read on for the full review.
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Finally...

Selbstlade @ 8/17/2004 2:25:56 AM #
"Should have been released years ago" is a terrible understatement. Not to make little of Palm's development efforts, but to only support the two latest models seems a bit insincere. Feels like they're trying to force users into a shorter upgrade cycle. Atleast Sandisk made the effort to support Z71 with their latest offering.
RE: Finally...
2xs @ 8/17/2004 3:19:11 AM #
This Z71-Thing is part of a deal between SanDisk an PalmOne, i bet !! >-(

Anyway this is a musthave for me. Just Include a PalmOs6 - Update an i wont cross the divide ;)

gr33tz 2xs

RE: Finally...
JonathanChoo @ 8/17/2004 5:54:08 AM #
Now the question is will it work with future Zires or Tungstens?

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PalmOne Tungsten T3/256Mb Panasonic SD; HP h4150/512Mb Sandisk Ultra-II, Sony Ericsson T630
Next: PalmOne Treo 610/HP hx4700
RE: Finally...
Selbstlade @ 8/17/2004 8:44:55 AM #
If the past is any indication, probably not (think OS4's bluetooth card). Especially if the next iteration is OS6. As a consumer, I don't see how Palm can justify half-assing things like this. If you look on the PocketPC side, the SDIO wifi card works with pretty much any 2002/2003 PPC.

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Palm Professional, Palm IIIx, Cassiopeia E-105, Palm m505, Sony Clie SJ-10, Palm Zire 71.

RE: Finally...
edeab220 @ 8/17/2004 9:07:05 AM #
Ok, so it's officially released. Where is it on palmOne's site? It's not in the store and its not listed in their accessories page.

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RE: Finally...
hkklife @ 8/17/2004 10:25:09 AM #
As far as the OS6 rumors go, I will go on a limb and say that this is targeted at OS6 handhelds MORE SO than OS5 units and all necessary drivers will be available. Why? Improved battery capacities on the OS6 models will mean longer continuous usage with this card, for one. Also, if the T4 rumors are correct, dual SDIO slots will be adopted by PalmOne and one of these will be intended to sit next to a SD memory card in a dual-slot Palm.

What I'd like to see next is the shorter-length, improved battery life BT card (and new drivers) Toshiba promised us, what, 2 years ago? I personally cannot stand ANYTHING protruding out of my PDA like this or the BT card! I broke a Veo camera that way! (and yes, I know this thing would have zero range if it didn't extend out like that).

RE: Finally...
Sleuth255 @ 8/17/2004 12:20:58 PM #
Bingo. August. My January prediction for this release date falls in line.

I'll jump for this because I've got a T3.5 with a 5 hour battery. In fact, this is one of the reasons why I did the conversion.

Next: It would be nice to see a case with a modified slot that can hold this card appear too sometime soon.

RE: Finally...
Altema @ 8/17/2004 3:35:11 PM #
"I'll jump for this because I've got a T3.5 with a 5 hour battery. In fact, this is one of the reasons why I did the conversion."

Would you care to elaborate? My original T3 could get 4 or 5 hours (proper initial charge, conditioning), but that was sent back for a screen defect. The refurb unit was not so fortunate and only gets 2 to 3 hours, which has made keep my eyes open for upgrades or a new replacement battery. Did you install a higher rated battery?

RE: Finally...
hkklife @ 8/17/2004 4:24:47 PM #
Head on over to the Brighthand Tungsten forums to read the, oh, 30 page thread on this miraculous feat! If we prod sleuth nicey, he may post an "at your own risk" how-to guide with pics. I did the process myself on my T3 (without actually installing the battery!) just to see how difficult it was (at least the disassembly and reassembly parts). It wasn't bad at all if you are patient and have good lighting and nimble fingers.

RE: Finally...
tooele @ 8/17/2004 5:39:35 PM #
I thought this day would never come finally we're not limited to the tungsten C for WI-FI. Finally we can have a palm with bluetooth and WI-FI since sony stopped making new PDA's.

Hell froze over finally!

Gmon750 @ 8/17/2004 3:11:32 AM #
Palm finally pulled that proverbial rabbit out of the hat. It's unfortunate they limited the number of handhelds this will work with. But fortunately, I own a T3 and I'll be first in line to get one.

I was really losing hope so now, maybe I'll stick around with Palm hardware a little longer now.

Thanks to everyone for raising a stink to get Palm to create one!

RE: Hell froze over finally!
Altema @ 8/17/2004 3:42:09 PM #
Where's my ice skates!?

What will be the price on eBay?

Patrick @ 8/17/2004 3:38:41 AM #
For a while, the Palm Power To Go sled was selling officially at $100 through Palm and unofficially for $50 on eBay. These were not scams. Lots of folks bought it at that price. Eventually, Palm's official price dropped to $50 as well.

I always wondered how those eBay dealers could sell at that price and make a profit. From whence did they obtain their stock? Seems that there were too many of them selling too regularly for them to be stolen merchandise.

Now we see a similarly overpriced WiFi card and I can't help but wonder what price we'll see for it on eBay in the coming weeks and months.


So is there memory on board?

just_little_me @ 8/17/2004 3:47:22 AM #
Crap review! Doesn't even mention if there is memory on the card... However, this suggests there is:

http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.pl?upc=805931010643


JLM.

RE: So is there memory on board?
JonathanChoo @ 8/17/2004 8:49:50 AM #
Why should a review be crap if it does not mention something that does not exists?

InfoSync has a review up too and they did not mention anything about 128Mb onboard memory.

http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/5234.html

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Next: PalmOne Treo 610/HP hx4700

RE: So is there memory on board?
Admin @ 8/17/2004 12:47:37 PM #
There is no memory on the card.

-Ryan

RE: So is there memory on board?
just_little_me @ 8/17/2004 6:01:25 PM #
Jonathan,

Well considering other sites DO mention the memory, and it's a fair question to rule in or out, that's why I said it was crap. SD devices CAN support up to 7 devices.. but no-one has released anything with more than 1!

Bummer about the memory... another expensive, half-arsed wireless solution hits the market... :-(


JLM.

RE: So is there memory on board?
Strider_mt2k @ 8/22/2004 9:34:05 AM #
Welcome to the SD consortium hype machine!

You done been took son, now pay up and move along...

Not that I can say any better, I got empty pockets and Memory Shtick!


Seems like the CF guys make out pretty well though.

I guess I need to find a handheld that supports CF next time I purchase one.



Well, I am excited!

millydog @ 8/17/2004 5:21:46 AM #
I am excited to see the release of this card. I do know that it has been a long time coming, but at least it is here now. I will be getting the card ASAP.
I have WiFi in my laptop, at home and at work. I am also hearing about free WiFi spots that are finally popping up in my local area.
I use bluetooth with my T68i but the access costs me money each time I connect, plus more for the downloads.....so the card will be great for me, meaning that I no longer have that added charge and I am sure that the initial outlay of the cost of the card will be worth while for me.
RE: Well, I am excited!
Altema @ 8/17/2004 3:48:28 PM #
If the places you frequent charge for WIFI access, it may be more cost effective to see if your carrier has an unlimited data plan for a reasonable rate. It can be used for access on the phone itself, your PDA, or your laptop.

Welcome to WIFI!

Strider_mt2k @ 8/17/2004 5:37:35 AM #
It's interesting and cool, but not without it's downside, as you will soon see.

-have to pay for access in airports.

-I've personally stayed at two hotels with free access, but one had network problems, and the other lost signal as I walked into my room.

However when everything works, it's great! it's a whole new dimension to the handheld experience.


RE: Welcome to WIFI!
Altema @ 8/17/2004 3:44:54 PM #
Plus, I can use WIFI in those places where high speed GPRS is out of range like in remote campsites in the mountains! Oh, wait...


Just kidding. I'm interested in this too, as my office is one of the few places where I cannot get a GPRS connection.

WEP Keys

achitnis @ 8/17/2004 6:59:25 AM #
"The card supports WEP encryption and will accept 40 and 104 bit keys. These can be either ASCII text, a hexadecimal number or a pass-phrase. My Linksys AP router only had options for 64 bit and 128 bit keys, so I had to use the pass-phrase option."

ahem.

"64 bit" and "128 bit" keys are really marketing-speak. In reality, the keys are 40 and 104 bits in length. In short, a "64 bit WEP key" is actually 40 bits long, and "128 bits key" is actually 104 bits long.

So setting to a 40 bit key will happily work with an AP that is set to a 64 bit key (and ditto 104 to 128).


Atul Chitnis
http://atulchitnis.net

RE: WEP Keys - WPA support
palmato @ 8/17/2004 8:19:29 AM #
Not closely related to the above, but I just wish to note that apparently WPA (PSK or Radius) is not supported. Unlike the Sandisk card fot the Zire71 and the latest PPC offerings (both internal and cards).


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Tired of PPC? Get a TT!

RE: WEP Keys
markgm @ 8/17/2004 12:30:48 PM #
I agree. I wish they had WPA, especially since this thing is new. I finally picked up a wireless card for my NX80 on Sunday (clearance of $28 at Circuit City) and had to relax the security on my router to use it. I am still looking for more useful applications for this, so far I'm just using Netfront, the built in email, and AIM 2.1 (whichever the old free version was.) I really hope that the release of this card will cause more network applications to be written.

I guess what I really can't wait for is the next generation of Palms!

RE: WEP Keys
Altema @ 8/17/2004 3:55:03 PM #
LEAP is also not supported.

RE: WEP Keys
achitnis @ 8/18/2004 3:23:10 AM #
palmato> Not closely related to the above, but I just wish to note that apparently WPA (PSK or Radius) is not supported. Unlike the Sandisk card fot the Zire71 and the latest PPC offerings (both internal and cards).

Yep, that is a baddy. But what are the chances that this can be remedied with a software update at a later stage?


Atul Chitnis
http://atulchitnis.net

RE: WEP Keys
jorang @ 8/18/2004 3:33:51 AM #
Hello

Just a question - is the WPA support hardware or software related.
Is this such a drawback that the card should be avoided, or is this just a software/driver issue?

JoranG

JoranG

RE: WEP Keys
palmato @ 8/18/2004 9:01:10 AM #
> Just a question - is the WPA support hardware or software related.

Most likely this is just a driver issue. However since I don't know what chipset is being used, I can't be 100% sure.
The real caveat however might be the commitment of Palm1 in making software updates available. Or will they release a different updated card ?


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Tired of PPC? Get a TT!

RE: WEP Keys
dgarbis @ 8/18/2004 1:40:55 PM #
pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by:

"Tired of PPC? Get a TT!"

?

DennisG

What are they thinking!?

Alric @ 8/17/2004 9:13:34 AM #
Axim X30 with BT and WiFi= $250

T3 + SD WiFi card = $480

You must be joking palmOne..

RE: What are they thinking!?
edeab220 @ 8/17/2004 9:23:07 AM #
That's the sacrifice to pay for a wonderful Palm OS PDA :p.

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RE: What are they thinking!?
mclaughlinc @ 8/17/2004 9:54:23 AM #
So have you tried to run the SanDisk 256 MB memory card + WIFI with the driver included with the PalmOne WIFI card?

RE: What are they thinking!?
edeab220 @ 8/17/2004 10:48:23 AM #
mclaughlinc, that's actually an interesting idea. Maybe someone here can try it...although I really don't think it will work since the SD slot may not have enough power to do so.

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RE: What are they thinking!?
Rome @ 8/17/2004 12:06:56 PM #
Porsche 911 - 315 horsepower, Flat 6 - $70,000

Corvette - 400 horsepower, V8 - $44,000

What was Porsche thinking? Overpriced and underpowered!



RE: What are they thinking!?
sub_tex @ 8/17/2004 12:37:42 PM #
Axim X30 with BT and WiFi= $250

Seriously. If that Axim had a higher res screen I'd be all over it.

PPC vendors are destroying Palm vendors on bang for the buck.

Right now it really comes down to OS preference to keep you in the Palm camp. Try explaining to someone that they will be getting a whole lot less and paying a whole lot more for their PDA just becuase it's Palm.

It's like Mac pricing.

RE: What are they thinking!?
Admin @ 8/17/2004 12:49:28 PM #
I have the socket SD WiFi card for pocket pc's, it is supposed to be the same as the SanDisk, and the Zire72 does not recognize the card at all with the palmOne drivers installed. I'd expect the exact same to happen with any other non-palmOne SD WiFi card.

-Ryan

RE: What are they thinking!?
tooele @ 8/17/2004 11:04:16 PM #
the axim x30 is so cheap compared to the TT3 because it's screen is only half as good and it has a slower processor. Plus it's not a palm and Palm is better.

RE: What are they thinking!?
JonathanChoo @ 8/18/2004 1:58:13 AM #
I rather have the Porsche 911. Pure German genius of a car. And awesome to drive too.

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Next: PalmOne Treo 610/HP hx4700
RE: What are they thinking!?
Alric @ 8/18/2004 9:00:41 AM #
Good is a relative term. For reading text and browsing the web I haven't even noticed the lower resolution of the axim. A lower resolution for three times the battery life is a compromise I gladly make.

That car analogy does not hold with Palm and PPC. I've used the PalmOS for 10 years and I don't miss a thing after switching to PPC.

Cheers,

RE: What are they thinking!?
legalalien @ 8/18/2004 1:01:36 PM #
The high-end Axim X30 has a kick-ass processor, a 624MHz Intel with WMMX. Sorry, but T3 CPU is not even in the same league.

Now, T3 perhaps seems just as fast as X30 for everyday tasks, but that's entirely because of the OS, and despite the slower CPU.


RE: What are they thinking!?
tthiel @ 8/19/2004 10:12:29 AM #
Like Mac pricing? Apples and Oranges. The Mac has a great user interface, multitasking that works, doesn't crash, is virus free and doesn't slow down over time as it gets built up with gunk. The Mac is 3 or 4 years ahead of Windoze. Neither Palm or Pocket PC can claim that advantage over the other.

RE: What are they thinking!?
Alric @ 8/19/2004 10:54:38 AM #
Right. As opposed to Palm Vs. PocketPC innovative tech comes out first for the Mac. WiFi, BT, USB, Firewire and the iPod all were available for consumers or gained general acceptance in the Mac first.

RE: What are they thinking!?
fleegle @ 8/19/2004 1:03:10 PM #
"The Mac has a great user interface"

True. It does have a good user interface.

"multitasking that works"

True. IMHO it works just as well as Windoze

"doesn't crash"

False. Check out the Apple Support website. Go to the support for OS X v10.3 (Panther) and it has eight documents listing different crashes. OS X v 10.2 or earlier has 130 documents for fixing crashes.

It may crash less than Windoze, but "doesn't crash" is an overstatement.


"is virus free"

False. Apple has a link to another company (ICSA Labs) which posts a list of Macintosh viruses. Here is the list:

http://tinyurl.com/3czy2


"and doesn't slow down over time as it gets built up with gunk."

False. What you are talking about is a "memory leak" where applications don't release memory properly and slows down or crashes the OS. There are sixteen listings in Apple Support on how to correct their memory leak issues.

Please don't pass around disinformation... you Michael Moore wannabe. ;-)

RE: What are they thinking!?
Winter_ @ 8/26/2004 3:16:20 AM #
An Apple vs. PC war on PIC? Fun! :)

About viruses: hey, can you only come up with a 1999-dated (pre-OS X) web page wich lists a grand total of 22 viruses which could be cured with the Disinfectant freeware antivirus?? That really sounds like "virus-free" to me!

Meanwhile, how many viruses/worms for Windoze popped up last month? How many of them required multi-megabyte OS patches and caused major head aches? Can you say "Sasser"?

And we'll leave the exploits (about 2 on the Mac vs. the infinite on Windows) for another day... :)

About multitasking: this could be a matter of personal appreciation, but I still have to see my ancient 6 years old, 400MHz iMac to get as slowed down as my year-old, 2.4GHz P4 XP when launching multiple apps and working with background services. Strangely the XP machine reports processor usage always near 0%... even while choking to draw windows and with fans maxed out. Funny.

About "memory leaks" and "built up with gunk": I guess the original poster referred to the infamous DLL hell, which pre-XP granted an about yearly total OS and apps reinstall, and now just causes strange symptoms from time to time. It's funny how in my machine the auto-recovery feature has this (understandable, I might add) tendency to uninstall Windows Media... perhaps the poor thing is going self-conscious? ;)

RE: What are they thinking!? (And do we care?)
Token User @ 8/26/2004 1:25:14 PM #
Apple Mac vs Every PC Manufacturer.
Intel vs AMD.
Porsche vs Corvette.
Alien vs Predator.

Does it really matter? I am a Windows using AMD person that would love to own a classic vette (71 big block ragtop ...), and think that Riley could kick the ass of both the Alien Queen AND the Predators.

Oh yeah - more than happy with my Clie NX70V with the WLAN100 WiFi card.

Everyone has different needs and different preferences (and bias).

Is the palmOne SD WiFi card too late? Maybe ... but not if you are trying to extend the usefulness of a number of more recent palmOne devices.
Was it a mistake only releasing for a limited number of devices? Definately, but there are no doubt reasons why it can;t be done on the other devices (ranging from non technical "marketing" reasons, through to power consumption at the slot not being up to scratch for the other devices.

Personally, I'd like to see this work in my wife's Kyo7135 ... not that anyone else here really cares about that except me :)

~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~

RE: What are they thinking!?
fleegle @ 8/27/2004 10:39:13 PM #
Winter,

What I was trying to point out to tthiel was that he shouldn't make such generic statements.

"The Mac..." is too generic. That includes all Macs (past and present). WARNUNG: I'm going to say some racist things here but I am just trying to prove a point about generic statements.

"White men can't jump."
"Black people can dance."
"Jews are cheap."

I'm sure you can think of others. Are all generic statements and you can prove them to be incorrect. Which I did for the Mac statement.

OSX is a very good OS. And IMHO, Windows XP is good too. It is better than the older Windows versions. Is OS X better than Win XP? It could be. But, overall, it is just an OS, with some flaws. It does crash, and it does slow down over time.

Viruses? Well, we can go through the "more bang for the buck" theory. But I won't. Don't think that because you have OS X, you will never get a virus. People who say, "It's based on UNIX. It's secure" is just plain arrogant (or it could be ignorant ;-)). It is just a matter of time that someone will find a security flaw in OS X and take advantage of it. It may take a while. That's what the Linux (a UNIX-based OS) fans thought, and recently someone exposed a security flaw in that OS.


How to justify

Rhauer @ 8/17/2004 9:58:39 AM #
I would really like get the card so I can be cool but it is really hard to justify when bluetooth works so well. I have unlimited data plan with Cingular. I work in NYC next to a park and it is wi-fi, so are a lot of the coffee houses in NJ. However, since my phone works in all of these areas why would I use wi-fi (supposedly a big drain on the battery) when I could just use the phone and bluetooth.

Now that they introduced the card does that mean the next T will have built-in wi-fi.

RE: How to justify
hkklife @ 8/17/2004 10:21:02 AM #
If this had come out two years ago in the T|T days, I'd have been all over it. Heck, even a year or six months ago (at this price!) I'd have probably bought one. But now with even Verizon starting to get on the BT bandwagon (Moto V710) people like me who have a T3 & Verizon suddenly have another option and will likely take a pass on this SDIO Wi-Fi card. I know all of the GSM folks who have easy access to a variety of BT cell phones will definitely steer clear of this one as well.

For the record, PalmOne shoulda released this thing at least a 1/2 year ago or should have it now for about $75 MSRP if they couldn't include RAM on the card.

Oh, while we're on the topic...when are we going to see OS5 drivers for the Palm Bluetooth card? Will we EVER see them? My guess is that we won't!

RE: How to justify
Altema @ 8/17/2004 3:58:59 PM #
Have to agree. Although I may get one for my basement office (as mentioned in a prior post), my phone works pretty much everywhere. Plus I can pick my choice of GSM dialup, cellular ISDN, or high speed GPRS. The biggest downside is sending large emails with GPRS: only one timeslot (aka channel) for upload make it slow in that direction. I'll have to play with the config to see if the Cingular data account for Photo Messaging is faster for uploads. Should be, according to logic, but it did not seem to make a large difference.

RE: How to justify
kevspalm @ 8/17/2004 4:12:38 PM #
I agree, I'm planning to upgrade soon (to either a T3 or a Zodiac2), and I'm about to get the V710 from Verizon. At this point, I really don't see a need to have wi-fi. Maybe when the price comes down & they work out some more bugs....

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RE: How to justify
hkklife @ 8/17/2004 4:28:22 PM #
Not to go OT but has anyone read of success with the V710 from Verizon paired to a Zodiac? I know that T3s & most Sonys are working fairly well.

RE: How to justify
SteveNYC @ 8/17/2004 6:05:47 PM #
Granted, it's been a while since I had my old Handera 330 (long since gone) hooked up with my CF WiFi card, so thing might have changed. But I still have to wonder what the big deal is.

WiFi on a PDA just doesn't impress me. I work in an MIS shop and even those people that have PDAs with WiFi admit to rarely using it. The webbrowsers always have some limitation (rendering or jscript or java). E-mail is pretty basic. Even in NYC, free hotspots are not THAT common and why pay for it when you can get a data plan with a cellphone provider?

I just don't see the utility in it. For what? E-Mail? That requires Wi-Fi? Get a Treo 600 on Verizon or any other carrier and you've got the whole package right there and with a LOT better chance of getting a signal (well, at least if you're on Verizon...)

Different strokes for different folks. But ask people who have WiFi on a PDA how much they use it and I would be surprised if you heard "every day" even 25% of the time. Ask people how much they use data on a smartphone and I would be surprised if the percentage of people who responded "every day" was anything less than 50%.

I think people like it becuase it exists. Not because it fills a defined need.

I agree with one of the previous posted. Bluetooth with a cellphone has much greater utility.

RE: How to justify
fleegle @ 8/18/2004 8:58:37 AM #
"Not to go OT but has anyone read of success with the V710 from Verizon paired to a Zodiac? I know that T3s & most Sonys are working fairly well."

In answer to your OT question:
Yes, someone at Tapland mentioned that they were able to pair their Zodiac to the V710.

Also, someone at PhoneScoop said they were able to pair the V710 to their car, an Acura TL (with the Acura HandsFree option).

A lot of reviews say the V710 has a "crippled" Bluetooth (only able to pair to a headset), but with all the success stories I am hearing about pairing to other devices, I may buy one. Unfortunately, I have to wait until March 2005 so I can take advantage of the New Every Two plan. :-(

RE: How to justify
cbowers @ 7/4/2005 7:31:02 PM #
Um, yes I use WiFi on my Tungsten C every day, and it may well be close to %50 percent.

I would *not* use data 50% of the time on a smartphone, nor do I see that in the Treo's around me. It's used as a phone and unconnected more often. But then I also don't pay for WiFi network access. Home, Office, and trusted networks inbetween carry the day. For everything else a *small* GPRS dataplan covers the rest (IR to IR given that it's a bluetoothless Tungsten C - but BT linked when my PowerBook is around and WiFi isn't).

Nice, but I want BUILT-IN WiFi

Foo Fighter @ 8/17/2004 10:19:03 AM #
This SD peripheral is all well and good as an accessory for casual users, but I (like many Palm users) want BUILT-IN WiFi!!!

How much longer will it take PalmOne and other handheld vendors to comprehend that WiFi support is a MUST. We now know why Palm chose the name PalmOne...it is indicate they will offer only ONE WiFi enabled handheld! Grrr!!!!!



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RE: Nice, but I want BUILT-IN WiFi
Alric @ 8/17/2004 11:14:34 AM #

Several PocketPC vendors have PDAs with integrated BT and WiFi.

(I know, you mean Palm handhelds.. :))

RE: Nice, but I want BUILT-IN WiFi
Strider_mt2k @ 8/22/2004 9:44:04 AM #
There are still some Clie's on the shelf too!

The PEG-TH55's WIFI is exceptional, especially with the big display. And NetFront could possibly be the best PalmOS web browser out there.

Bummer all the superior hardware is going away.

Get it while you can, folks.
You're gonna be stuck with the offalings of P1 from now on.

RE: Nice, but I want BUILT-IN WiFi
Foo Fighter @ 8/24/2004 11:38:22 PM #
The TH55 is a joke, IMO. Nice features, but extremely awkward design (scroll wheel on top-rear?!?!?).

What really peeks my interest is the TJ37. Yes...I know...it's just an old school square 320x320 screen. But retailers are blowing out their inventories of Clies and you can pick one up for under $250. Not sure whether I'll purchase one or wait for the mythical Tungsten T4, but if you want a really nice little WiFi enabled PalmOS device, it's a great value.

Clies are quickly becoming a bargain hunter's paradise. Get them while supplies last. :-(

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RE: Nice, but I want BUILT-IN WiFi
Strider_mt2k @ 8/25/2004 6:00:26 PM #
Maybe not what you like, but no joke there.

Lots of laughing over the TJ series tho.

Enjoy!


An OK start, but...

rsc1000 @ 8/17/2004 12:02:11 PM #
Finally! But since palmOne is only supporting the T3 and the Zire72, how about they finally give SanDisk a (and palmOne owners who don'it have a t3 or z72) a break and give sandisk access to the info they need to make a driver for palmOne's other models? Every other PDA manufacturer gladly promotes 3rd party hardware development - and palmOne has in the past - so why are they screwing sandisk (and us)??? When palmOne announced that this wifi card was coming we finally knew the answer. But if they are only supporting the t3 and the z72, they why do they continue to snub sandisk on this? especially at the cost of p!ssing off their customers. God its hard to remain a loyal, paying cuastomer to a company that likes to shoot itself in the foot on a semi-regular basis.

On another note - i finally saw a NEW palmOne TV ad the other day. Good to see them making some serious marketing efforts.

RE: An OK start, but...
hkklife @ 8/17/2004 12:48:10 PM #
B/c now it's PalmONE now just "Palm". They now live & die on hardware. How else do you explain rebranded luxury leather cases, gold-plated styli, their own brand of lame screen protectors and any other manner of junk (look how many "universal" cases PO now sells!) they now peddle with their name on it. Back in the Palm days, they'd introduce accessories fairly infrequently but you were assured of getting something that would work well with whatever device it was tailored for. Now they just want to sell as many bundles as they can and if they squeeze the smaller guys out of the picture...so be it.

This is basically the first real technical-oriented accessory that's come out of PalmOne. Everything else has been either a carryover Palm-designed peripheral (keybords, battery sled etc) or just cheap, bulky cases & styli with their name tacked on it.

This is about a half-step forward. Let's hope that these start showing up cheap on E-Bay!

RE: An OK start, but...
Patrick @ 8/17/2004 3:24:45 PM #
I got the impression from the reviews that this is very likely the SanDisk card in disguise -- the little green LED being identical. So it is another rebrand, it seems, but with their own drivers.

palmOne says they don't have this item...

pjmeadows @ 8/17/2004 12:51:29 PM #
I looked for this item on palmOne's website and couldn't find it. I wanted to pre-order one as the article stated. I called palmOne's personal use sales line (1-800-881-7256 US) to inquire at about 11 AM CST this morning. I was told by the representative that this item is not available. The rep stated that they do not have any knowledge of this item and that the release of this item is just a rumor.

Has anyone else found a way to purchase/pre-order this item?

RE: palmOne says they don't have this item...
Admin @ 8/17/2004 1:08:07 PM #
It is an official product as the press release has gone out. I suspect the palmOne store database has not been updated yet, hopefully before the end of the day it will be listed.

The palmone part number is: P10952U if you want to call and try again perhaps

RE: palmOne says they don't have this item...
Banabotto @ 8/18/2004 3:05:28 AM #
This part number refers to PalmOne Secure File PDA Backup Card!


A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!

GearHead @ 8/17/2004 4:13:35 PM #
I was expecting something striking like new Tungsten T4 with buit-in BT + Wi-Fi.
Well I already purchased a Dell 624mHz Axim 30 for a true wireless handheld.
My old Tungsten T will be on Ebay prett soon. I think I am out of this game. Good Bye Palm, Hello Pocket PC.

Good luck all of you! Next will be a Palm with a extractable radio antenna for listeninig AM Band. :-)


RE: A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!
tthiel @ 8/19/2004 10:10:29 AM #
I'm about ready to do the same thing. it's pretty easy to get the Dell for $297 and it smokes the Palm in features.

RE: A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!
Alric @ 8/19/2004 10:58:40 AM #
Already did!

RE: A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!
gobabushka @ 8/20/2004 12:24:01 AM #
HAVEN'T YOU HEARD OF THE TUNGSTEN C, OR THE SON CLIE TJ37!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!
GearHead @ 8/20/2004 9:49:33 AM #
Yes! We heard about both of those prehistoric units! I don't care for both of them. I suggest you to use a PPC with newest 624 MHz, and try the surf the net and chat on messenger and do ton of other stuff you can do on a mobile computer. See the difference. Listen, accept it or not, we all use or used Windows sometime in our lives. Why reinvent the tire. PPC is exactly what Windows on your everyday PC is.
After using my Dell x30 I feel like I was wasting my money and time since 1996 on Palm's glorified organizers. I accumulated the amount I buried in Palm since 1996 so far it’s over $7000. I suggest all of those Palm users to do the same and see how much money they spent on this company so far. For what???
I think Palm should take a look around and see that they are no longer the one and only in this market. Monopoly is not the game any more. Thanks to PPC competition sets the bar way high for all those companies trying to treat their customer like a sheep and giving a little bit at a time. So answer to your genius sophisticated question is: I am aware of both of those units and I don't care for them...
RE: A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!
palmhiker @ 8/20/2004 5:30:56 PM #
I have to ask...

Since it is apparent that you have "seen the wonderful PPC light" and given up completely on Palm, why the f**k are you hanging around on a Palm Site?

There are plenty of WM/PPC sites that are badly in need of your wisdom.

As they say, don't let the doorknob hit ya...

By the way, Palm's neglect regarding Wi-Fi does disgust me, and I nearly purchased an Axim because of it, but got a good deal on a T-C (which is WAY better than I thought it would be, hardly archaic).

If I HAD bought the Axim, I sure as hell wouldn't be hanging out here and crying about it. (unless, of course, the Axim isn't all its cracked up to be and I secretly longed to go back to archaic old Palm OS...)

RE: A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!
GearHead @ 8/20/2004 8:02:49 PM #
First of all I don't appreciate the language you are using here: "why the f**k are you hanging around on a Palm Site?”
Why is this bothering you so much? Is Palm signing your paychecks or something?
As an avid Palm owner and user I have every right to visit this site. I am simply protesting the fact that Palm is not giving us the products we deserve after all these years. It's already too late.
I like Axim 30 624MHz more than any current Palm devices. If this is bothering you so much, I suggest you to take the horse glasses off and look around you because competition already left Palm in dust...Thanx to corporate suckers like you…

THIS IS FOR ADMIN (RYAN): Let's keep this site professional. I don't think this guy deserves to be here posting profanity. Such as following: "why the f**k are you hanging around on a Palm Site?” Thank you and keep up the good work!

RE: A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!
Strider_mt2k @ 8/22/2004 10:37:22 AM #
Before I bought my Sony PEG-TH55, I looked seriously at PPC.

Next handheld I will be doing so even more.

PPC is getting it's act together on the OS and apps side, and the hardware features on the new PPC models are really really cool.

Lead, follow , or get out of the way.

Palm has chosen to follow.
Sony has gotten out of the way.

RE: A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!
RhinoSteve @ 8/23/2004 7:23:54 PM #
Excuse me! It is called the Tungsten-C and is beating the pants off any PPC WiFi device in sales.

RE: A little too late! Still no Palm with Built-in Wi-Fi!!!
Strider_mt2k @ 8/25/2004 6:05:51 PM #
Any data to support this?

It is all about power consumption

RhinoSteve @ 8/18/2004 1:05:48 AM #
The WiFi semiconductors are finally matured to where is not longer a power hog and you can get decent periods of use out of it. This is good.
RE: It is all about power consumption
Jim Albanese @ 8/18/2004 3:08:07 PM #
Steve,

This post is actually in reference to a post you made in December of 2003.

It seems as you are the only other developer that has experienced SIR (Raw IR) issues with the TI OMAP chip.

Have you come across any developers information from TI on this issue? The end device that I'm communicating with only supports RAW IR, and I need to determine if the latest TI hardware will support SIR (Raw IR).

Thanks,

Jim Albanese

Looking for a bluetooth chat/draw program.

superkid @ 8/18/2004 2:24:20 AM #
Can any one help I am looking for a bluetooth chat/draw program. Somethig similar to IrChat and IrDraw. Any one seen one??
RE: Looking for a bluetooth chat/draw program.
bigjarom @ 8/18/2004 3:43:10 AM #
BlueChat, which comes with the T3.

Paper & pencil > Palm III > Palm III with 8MB RAM & 2 MB Flash ROM > Tungsten T3

Restricted handhelp support...

coop @ 8/18/2004 2:52:37 PM #
"So why is the card only available for the T3 and Zire 72, and not other models with SD slots? The official answer from palmOne is: Following market and development-cost analysis, palmOne wanted to develop a Wi-Fi card that will be applicable to its Zire 72 and Tungsten T3 handhelds. These solutions require very tight integration between hardware, firmware and custom software, as well as access to propriety technologies for the level of tight integration necessary to give the customer an excellent experience. In other words it sounds like the differences between other models SD slots and other factors such as power draw and battery capacity, made is cost prohibitive to develop it for other handhelds. "


Sounds more like marketing-speak for "we want to". Whatever happened to the "Zen of Palm", unless it has been expanded to include "Screw the Customer"?

coop

RE: Restricted handhelp support...
Strider_mt2k @ 8/22/2004 10:40:47 AM #
The claim is lower power available on the other models athe SD Slot.

Palm knew the spacs, they're part of the SD consortium.



Are you kidding me or what .. who is fooling who here

acollet @ 8/18/2004 3:22:49 PM #
Lets look at this realisticly. A Tungsten T3 will run you on average 330.00 USD. This card will run you estimated 130.00 USD. That brings this solution to 460.00 USD with an estimated battery life of 2 hrs BEST !!!! Who in their right mind would accept this solution when you can obtain a Dell (or similar brand PPC)) for 320.00 USD with Wi-fi and Bluetooth included. Not to metion a wi-fi implementation ths supports the industry stanard WEP encryption. I just dont get Palms moves.
RE: Are you kidding me or what .. who is fooling who here
cbowers @ 8/18/2004 3:41:00 PM #
Read up there guy, it *does* support "industry standard" WEP. Homework project: "what's the difference between 40bit and 64bit WEP"
Hint: none

With WEP you use either a 40bit or 104bit static key. Those keys are used together with a 24bit Initialization Vector which is dynamically changed for each packet - appended to the static shared key.

Vendors just don't get together on the terminology.
40+24=64bit
104+24=128bit

What they (PalmOne) don't support is the less insecure WPA authentication/encryption, and LEAP access restriction methods.

RE: Are you kidding me or what .. who is fooling who here
acollet @ 8/18/2004 4:05:16 PM #
thanks! saw that post after I posted. Funny I have never heard of it referred to as that before
RE: Are you kidding me or what .. who is fooling who here
JonathanChoo @ 8/19/2004 6:18:24 AM #
And you get a better screen compared to the Axim. The dual wireless PPCs with VGA screens (better than T3) are not out yet.

--
PalmOne Tungsten T3/256Mb Panasonic SD; HP h4150/512Mb Sandisk Ultra-II, Sony Ericsson T630
Next: PalmOne Treo 610/HP hx4700
RE: Are you kidding me or what .. who is fooling who here
Selbstlade @ 8/20/2004 6:23:16 AM #
"Who in their right mind would accept this solution when you can obtain a Dell (or similar brand PPC)) for 320.00 USD with Wi-fi and Bluetooth included."

If Wi-fi access were the only reason to use a PDA, then that would be the logical choice. Of course, there are other factors like ease of use, programs, and maybe even a prior investment in Palm hardware.

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Pilot Professional> Palm IIIx> Palm m505> Sony Clie SJ-10> Palm Zire 71> Tapwave Zodiac 2

RE: Are you kidding me or what .. who is fooling who here
rtaylor @ 7/4/2005 11:47:41 AM #
FYI: Tungsten C has built-in WPA-PSK and you can buy a LEAP supplicant. The Meetinghouse AEGIS client supports both LEAP and EAP-MD5.
RE: Are you kidding me or what .. who is fooling who here
cbowers @ 7/4/2005 8:03:01 PM #
Whoa, pinging an almost year old thread...

If my Tungsten C support WPA, it's extrememly well hidden. Care to point?
Perhaps you're thinking of the LifeDrive, which is the first PalmOne PDA with built-in WiFi to support WPA.

Excepts from PalmOne's site:

"Launch the Wi-Fi Setup application on your device. During setup, it will display available networks. If your Wi-Fi network does not appear in the list, select Other... and manually enter the SSID and WEP (all devices) or WPA Personal* (LifeDrive Only) key (if needed)."

If you've got in on your Tungsten C, how about shootin' a brother a ROM image...

Where is the Tungsten 4?

tthiel @ 8/19/2004 10:08:40 AM #
I don't want an SD card wireless I want it built in. Where is it Palm? Pocket PC's have had this for a long time.

RE: Where is the Tungsten 4?
ganoe @ 8/19/2004 11:38:14 AM #
Yeah, I'm at a loss on this as well. I really hope PalmOne did not invest ANY of its manpower or resources on this card, and that it was done by some third party. My next PDA will have WiFi and Bluetooth built in, not some fragile card sticking out of it (been there, done that, and it is a pain in the rear). I'd really like for it to be running Palm OS 6, but their chances are running out quickly.

Will it work on the next Treo

Chankla @ 8/19/2004 12:37:19 PM #
Not to kick a hornets nest, but I wonder if it will work on the rumored "next" Treo (Ace)?

Its would be a very American way to do things. What I mean is it gives freedon of choice to the Palm user. If they've got a data plan with their mobile provider - then they don't have to pay for the hardware they don't need. If they have Wifi Infrastructure, they only need to have the battery penalty by inserting the card while in proximity of the network. Additionally, if you are fortunate enough to have bluetooth infrastructure - well, that would already be built in.

Fingers crossed!

RE: Will it work on the next Treo
hkklife @ 8/19/2004 2:11:44 PM #
I'd say so, yes. The rumored specs of the Treo 610/660 or Ace (whatever it's called) closely mimic those of the Zire 72. I'd bet that will be PalmOne's M.O. going forward---introduce a mid-range handheld and 6 months to a year later have a Treo with identical or similar specs come out.

Keeps the R&D to a minimum and they can stock up on componentry as well. If a certain set of specs might make for a less-than-stunning PDA, then it can just be squeezed into a smartphone and be seen as cutting-edge.

I'd still like to see a cheaper Treo with a d-pad and hard buttons & a jog wheel that omits the touchscreen entirely, however.

RE: Will it work on the next Treo
Selbstlade @ 8/20/2004 6:25:41 AM #
The Treo is a series of smartphones. If anything, i'd think the Treo would be the last device to get wifi drivers written, since it already has an always-on path to the network. Still, Palm Solutions Group has done stranger things.

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Pilot Professional> Palm IIIx> Palm m505> Sony Clie SJ-10> Palm Zire 71> Tapwave Zodiac 2

My SanDisk wifi card for my Zire 71

a1locjaw @ 8/19/2004 5:42:08 PM #
Your review sounds exactly how I feel about my SanDisk wifi card for my Zire 71, right down to the green LED on the card and right down to trouble with my Linksys WRT54G router. I was having no trouble at some free public spots in town acquiring an IP address and surfing the web.... with my home Linksys router, it would connect maybe 1 in 10 tries.... Finally I went out and bought a Belkin wireless router for home and same problem.. grrr... yes, everything is configured correctly.... both home routers have a mixture of b and g devices on the network. Right now, unless I hear something new from SanDisk, I'm betting the card will not work with any router that is both b and g.. and that's a shame if that's the issue....

Oh, by the way, although the SanDisk card is $89.99 in Fry's, that doesn't cover the fact that the included Novarro browser is good for only 20 days, then you have to buy it for another $34.99......

RE: My SanDisk wifi card for my Zire 71
Admin @ 8/20/2004 2:28:35 PM #
Yeah, thats the issue I have and I'm using the same router with the same b and g configuration. When it fails to connect the drivers report there is no signal, even when I'm right next to the AP

-Ryan

RE: My SanDisk wifi card for my Zire 71
a1locjaw @ 8/20/2004 5:43:21 PM #
Well, SanDisk gave me an R/A to have my wifi card replaced, but it sounds like it will be the same. I'm eriously thinking like other members of this forum are saying, to jump ship over to a PPC.... at least you will know where are the bugs are, and the browser would probably act more like my desktop browser.... just so happens tho, I am able to write Graffiti 1 very fast... 2?.. not so much......

Actually I would like "something" bigger than a PDA but smaller than a tablet... a 4x5 or 5x7 screen would be ideal for me.....

RE: My SanDisk wifi card for my Zire 71
NewtonDKC @ 8/22/2004 4:58:42 PM #
LocJaw, oddly enough, the Pocket PC's have "Block Recognizer" as one of the 4 built in input options, which is a GRaffiti 1 clone..."Character Recognizer" works just like Graffiti 2 (and then of course you have the obligatory soft "Keyboard", as well TRanscriber, which I guess could be compared to Decuma, but allows you to write freehand anywhere on the screen. Works surprisingly well if you set it to sepratae letters mode only (i.e. no cursive)). It doesn't support the shortcuts feature which I miss, but reportedly PPC 2003 Second Edition's Transcriber version will have this (and I switch between all 4, depending on what I'm entering - Keyboard or email and web addresses, Transcriber for freehand notes, Block when I'm waxing nostalgic for Graffiti, and Character Recognizer for the general stuff (I picked it up pretty fast, and I see why Palm went with it, for beginners its great, even tho for seasoned veterans it is a definite case of trying to teach an old dg new tricks. But check it out at some store if you can bear to play with a PPC - just tap the little arrow in the lower right hand corner of the screen to select your input choice, make sure the little input icon in pressed in, and write away in Pocket word or something. I hope Palm adopts a similar method to support multiple input methods and selecting/switching them quickly, no matter how many 3rd party add ons you may have.
Yeah, I find it ironic that the only place you can be assured of Graffiti 1 built in nowdays (in functionality, if not in name) in on the Pocket PC!

Compatibility??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gobabushka @ 8/20/2004 12:25:48 AM #
Any idea whether it's going to be compatible with other palms.

Better late than never

braicheff @ 8/20/2004 11:46:34 AM #
My only concern is that it will be the ultimate T|T3 battery killer. If I can't get at least 2 hours of continious use (which, of course, is impossible), then what's the use of it?



Boris
Tungsten T3/T630

RE: Better late than never
twizza @ 8/22/2004 5:49:45 PM #
I doubut that you will get 2hrs with it as I can barley muster 2hrs continous out of my Z71 and SanDisk card, and that has a lower frequency processor and less screen to power than the T3. Really, a wifi card should be looked at as a sometimes wireless solution. Put the card in for 20min max of email, surfing, and maybe downloading a program. If you need more than that, you would be better off getting a device with wifi built in as they have the power capicity for longer usage patterns. If you want to stay on the PalmOS side, then you will want to use the Clie TH55 as that one gets 7-8hrs of wifi in some uses. The other would be a Tungsten C. From the PocketPC side, check out the Dells as they offer wifi and removable batteries to keep you connected longer. I do not card for the OS, but many of the programs are nice. Hope that helps some.

antoinerjwright.com

Case for SD cards ??

borgiaX @ 8/20/2004 11:12:11 PM #
I have too many gadgets as it is.
A wifi card which I cannot safely leave in the SD slot, and which is too large to fit in the standard SD slots built into some cases is not a replacement for "built in" capability.
If there is no easy way to carry it and then put it away, its a liability not an asset.
Enfora seems to have at least a viable solution, adding an extra battery and a case together with the Wireless Card. If only they can make it a little smaller.
Selah

Flagrans Veritatis Studio
RE: Case for SD cards ??
A9700rO @ 8/21/2004 4:30:56 AM #
Come to think of it, I've been looking for cases to store my 4 SD cards, but no luck.

RE: Case for SD cards ??
hkklife @ 8/22/2004 2:32:00 AM #
www.pccardpackaging.com


www.rileydog.com

There's also another one carried at Rizt/WolfCamera photo shops but I cannot recall it's name. it's VERY durable and made of hard blue plastic. Holds 4 SD/MMC cards in it, a keychain that can be removed and latching cover. Retail price on it is about $12.99 or so.


(I own one product from each of the above companies for SD card storage & protection).

How fast ?

jayman @ 8/22/2004 3:00:46 PM #
I've not seen any mention anywhere of how fast this WiFi card will go.

With my T3, the Enfora case is limited to 115Kbps as it has a serial interface to the Palm through the universal connector. With a Belkin bluetooth router connected to the Internet, the speed is still limited to about the same (which I think is a limitation of the Palm bluetooth hardware) so that I cannot, for example, stream something which is 128Kbps without it breaking up.

Will the WiFi card allow me to access a WiFi network at anything approaching the speed of 10Mbps rather than 115Kbps ?

RE: How fast ?
bandb2416 @ 8/23/2004 1:09:56 PM #
Looking to get the Fnfora for the Tungsten E. Hoping the mini-usb port will be less of a bottleneck than the universal port. Can anybody confirm this?


WiFi Card Available Now

Gekko @ 9/2/2004 11:14:52 PM #

Palm WiFi

T. @ 9/15/2004 9:13:33 AM #
Having this card is great. After listening to all the whining on this site I was hesitant to buy it. Too much battery drain, isn't built in, Pocket PCs make me look cooler, blah, blah, blah.

I can access the web and e-mail anywhere using Bluetooth to my Motorola Bluetooth phone. It is slow only because I am unwilling to pay the extra fee at Verizon for a faster connection.

When I am somewhere that I need Wifi (which is a very limited amount of time during the day) I plug in the card and use it. I consider myself a heavy user during the day with the device on most of the time. I use Bonsai, DayNotez, Project@Hand, SmartlistToGo, DocumentsToGo, 2Action Meeting, DateBk5, Pocket Quicken, Versmail, Verichat, Yanoff, Street Atlas, Online Terminal Emulation and Tube. At my company there is a mix of Palm and PPCs. I clearly have many more apps available and use the device 5 xs as much as the PPC users do. The only thing they can ever say is "Gee, it isn't like Windows".

I would guess only about 10 -15 % of my daily use would require me to be connected. There is no way most people would need it always plugged in, although some might.

For those rare instances that I choose to sit there and surf, I can just plug in my Power to Go. That HAS to last longer than a device with a built in WiFi even on my T3.

palmOne Support of WPA-PSK Encryption

szlim @ 1/18/2005 9:51:00 PM #
I recently purchased a Zire 72 and would like to view the Internet from my Palm. I have a D-Link DI-824VUP wireless router at home and currently use WPA-PSK encryption when using my notebook computer. I previous thread indicated that palmOne's SD WiFi card does not support WPA encryption. Is this still the case? Any indications that this may be in the pipeline? I'm not an IT wiz but can I set up my router to work with this WiFi card and also maintain encryption protection for my notebook access?

Your input is appreciated.

700w with palm wifi

fondoo @ 8/15/2006 6:08:50 PM #
this is just a friendly reminder that the palm wifi sdio does not support WPA, only WEP wireless encryption.

Palm WiFi review

RaeHolmen @ 8/10/2007 6:38:53 PM #
I'm not sure why the reviewer states that "The WiFi software is permanently loaded" after installation. Any ordinary full reset, and it's gone.

Basically, I'm pleased with my card, but I've learned not to use the "other" login -- if you type in a few letters and click "OK", the list of available wifi connections will always include the new connection, whether or not it is actually available. Only a hard reset seems to delete the erroneous information.

You can use your WiFi card to blog: send an email from your Palm to "go@blogger.com", and follow a few simple instructions. You will automatically have your posts uploaded to a new blog, whose name you will receive. You can also perform a simple, one-time selection (using a computer, NOT your Palm) of a different blog. What I cannot figure out yet is how to post pictures to my blog using my Wi-fi connection. Perhaps all I need to do is upgrade my VersaMail to a new version. (And I have been able to use the Tungsten's built-in web browser to SEE my blog and other websites, which was quite a thrill.)

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