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Roger McNamee InterviewIn a video posted Friday, Sarah Lacy of Yahoo's Tech Ticker has interviewed Elevation Partners' Roger McNamee on the reasons for Elevation's original investment in Palm and the relative strengths and weaknesses of the new Pre vs the likes of iPhone and Blackberry.

Apart from incredibly long, lustrous hair that would make Fabio cry himself to sleep, Roger also sports a Batman-style utility belt on which he carries every major smartphone on the market including, amusingly, a broken first-gen iPhone with a dud battery. "If you're an investor in Palm, it's really handy to have with you a competitor's product that's a complete turkey," he jokes.

Hit the jump for the embedded video along with some of the best quotes transcripted, including a more detailed explanation of webOS's innovative "thinking ahead" design.

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And in this video, he says ...

mikecane @ 1/17/2009 1:29:40 PM # Q
Kara Talks to Roger McNamee About the Palm Pre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBSdR0H27iE

>>>4:24: And architecturally, the beautiful thing is, that anything developed for either the iPhone or for the Google Android platform will port [to the Pre] very quickly - and vice versa.

Huh? What?! Objective-C/Cocoa/etc on the iPhone to HTML/CSS/JavaScript on the Pre "very quickly"?!!? WTF?

RE: And in this video, he says ...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/17/2009 1:32:31 PM # Q
Fine. Let's see them port the foggy mirror thingee...

RE: And in this video, he says ...
hotpaw4 @ 1/17/2009 2:48:07 PM # Q
Let's see... one runs a cross between Smalltalk and C, another runs a private label implementation of the Java JVM, and the last runs an new incarnation of web browser LiveScript/ECMAScript.

Well, there is the sense that it's theoretically possible to port between any two Turing complete languages, if you don't care about memory size, performance or power, or how long it might take to do this theoretical port... but that's in the same league as "assume a spherical cow"...

RE: And in this video, he says ...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/17/2009 3:58:15 PM # Q
Turing was wrong. His problem was he was stuck in 3 dimensions so left one out.

That one makes all the difference.

All computer programs are not equal.

=========

There's a book - what is it called? "Flatland", I think I remember - yes, that's it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland

RE: And in this video, he says ...
DarthRepublican @ 1/18/2009 5:54:49 PM # Q
Screw the foggy mirror thingee. I want to see them port this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzCj7-3S1Mc

Sky Map works on my T-Mobile G1 even though its a little slow. If they can port a computationally intensive application like this one which requires them to constantly update the screen in real time using GPS and network data which is actually useful for stargazing and astronomy, then the foggy mirror shouldn't be too tough.

Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/

RE: And in this video, he says ...
SeldomVisitor @ 1/19/2009 3:58:47 AM # Q
That's cool - I'd like to see it used outside with clear night sky visible to see how well it does. Very neat.

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What does 'The Cloud' REALLY mean?

mikecane @ 1/17/2009 4:57:05 PM # Q
>>>Russ's extensive, big-picture discussion of the cloud turns it from an overused buzzword into an actual collection of useful technical concepts.

So sez Ars Technica, telling people to read this very long Q&A:
http://arstechnica.com/guides/other/hp-cloud-computing-interview.ars/1

All of you can jump on this ahead of me. It's too long for me to read on my monitor. I've dumped it into my LifeDrive to read tomorrow morning.

RE: What does 'The Cloud' REALLY mean?
Gekko @ 1/17/2009 5:22:45 PM # Q

the cloud is great in theory but i don't like the latency, hassle, speed, cost, security, sync, interface, etc. issues.



RE: What does 'The Cloud' REALLY mean?
SeldomVisitor @ 1/18/2009 4:10:44 AM # Q
> ...I don't like the latency...

Oh, that certainly set of a synaptic trigger in the ol' noggin!

I used to consult for a large international company. That company had employees, important employees, banging against databases served from Virginia. For the employees in, say, New York City this didn't present much of a problem - the use paradigm of "Change a field, send off the change, process the change resulting in more changes, send back the results" didn't have impact - their connection was so fast it was as if they were sitting next to the database servers. But the folks in Singapore had a fit; as each person over there tried out a change there were multiple back and forths between Singapore and Virginia as the spreadsheet-like calculations wended their way back and forth across half-second-latency connections; these important people would sit their fuming each for an eternity as they tried things out.

You don't want important people sitting there fuming.

The "solution" was to take essentially all the functionality off the person's workstation and place it on a server local to the database servers with only I/O handled "locally". Thus a change would get sent over to Virginia, massive database manipulations between the Virginia databases and the Virginia "application" would take place at local-to-Virginia speeds, then the resulting screen "deltas" (X-Windows stuff) would be sent back to Singapore.

It was a solution that worked for a single database server location.

It will be interesting to see how "the cloud" - where multiple database server locations and even possibly interesting critical-section-type or race-condition-type conflicts may exist will work in real life.


RE: What does 'The Cloud' REALLY mean?
mikecane @ 1/18/2009 8:43:29 AM # Q
>>>It will be interesting to see how "the cloud" - where multiple database server locations and even possibly interesting critical-section-type or race-condition-type conflicts may exist will work in real life.

The Nightmare of Cloud is already here: just try accessing Fictionwise or using its search engine!!

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Pre on sale March 15th?!

mikecane @ 1/17/2009 5:09:44 PM # Q
http://twitter.com/caaarlo/statuses/1126367573

Don't blame me. I just searched Twitter!

RE: Pre on sale March 15th?!
vetdoctor @ 1/18/2009 8:22:01 AM # Q
Carlo said it. Good enough for me. I'll be standing in line at the store Midnight the 14th. I'll post a picture from my new pre phone that morning. What could possibly go wrong?

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PlayPre site

mikecane @ 1/17/2009 5:24:03 PM # Q
http://playpre.com/

Another via Twitter search.

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More Patent Trouble?

Gekko @ 1/17/2009 5:54:22 PM # Q

Firm seeks to bar Nokia, RIM, Palm from importing devices into U.S.

ITC will investigate the complaint by Saxon Innovations that handheld devices from major vendors violate its patents

At issue are three patents that Saxon purchased in July 2007, a patent for keypad monitor with keypad activity-based activation; a patent for an apparatus and method for disabling interrupt marks in processors or the like; and a patent for a device and method for interprocessor communication by using mailboxes owned by processor devices. Saxon, with five employees, purchased about 180 U.S. patents formerly owned by Advanced Micro Devices or Legerity in 2007, according to its ITC complaint.

The keypad monitor patent was granted by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in August 1993 to AMD. The interrupt marks patent was granted in June 1996, and the mailbox patent was granted in March 1997, both to AMD.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/01/16/Firm_seeks_to_bar_Nokia_RIM_Palm_from_importing_devices_into_US_1.html

RE: More Patent Trouble?
mikecane @ 1/17/2009 5:59:29 PM # Q
Hey! I have a patent on the letters M and C.

Now pay me.

Patents *do* expire, you know. How old are these? The Patent Office could invalidate these if they have moss growing on them.

RE: More Patent Trouble?
twrock @ 1/17/2009 10:03:39 PM # Q
The US patent system sucks. It's that simple. This is a perfect example of what is wrong and just what leaches these kinds of lawyers are.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
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That Hawkins Quote!

mikecane @ 1/18/2009 8:45:41 AM # Q
>>>What are the implications of a world where everyone has a super high-speed Internet connection in their pocket and many gigabytes of storage, super-fast processors, audio, visual and multimedia? What are the consequences of that? How will that change computing when you have all that stuff available to you all the time?
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7999

Begins to make sense now, with the Pre.

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
Gekko @ 1/18/2009 8:49:47 AM # Q

yeah sounds the iphone.

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
mikecane @ 1/18/2009 8:56:11 AM # Q
>>>yeah sounds the iphone.

You MUST still be hungover from last night. Can't even do English.

And no, it DOESN'T "sounds" the iPhone. The iPhone doesn't aggregate your contacts, the iPhone doesn't do any automagic to Teh Clowd.


RE: That Hawkins Quote!
Gekko @ 1/18/2009 9:04:43 AM # Q

hawkins doesnt mention or imply cloud. in fact, it sounds like a pretty rich and robust LOCAL device.

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
Gekko @ 1/18/2009 9:05:55 AM # Q

but - this makes me wonder - did hawkins have ANYTHING to do with the Pre/WebOS? my guess is NO. after the fooleo disaster, they put him out to pasture.



RE: That Hawkins Quote!
mikecane @ 1/18/2009 9:18:48 AM # Q
That quote can be taken as either the launch point of what became the Pre or a indicator that he knew what the Pre was aiming to be.

Oh god ... the Pre-Foleo?!

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
SeldomVisitor @ 1/18/2009 10:28:26 AM # Q
> ...a world where everyone has a super high-speed Internet connection...

I seem to remember some guy named Steve had a uniquely high-speed internet connection in his house so he could experiment with what such a world would be like.

10, 15 years ago?

Alas, can't find a link for it, unfortunately.

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
mikecane @ 1/18/2009 10:32:48 AM # Q
It was a wired connection too, wasn't it?

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
SeldomVisitor @ 1/18/2009 10:34:52 AM # Q
yeah, for some reason "T1" pops into my head.

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
mikecane @ 1/18/2009 10:53:15 AM # Q
No, T1 is old hat. Found this:
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/07/worlds-fastest-.html

Man, what I could do with THAT!

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
SeldomVisitor @ 1/18/2009 12:19:02 PM # Q
Nah, I was thinking "T1" w.r.t. what I read abut Jobs' home connectivity lo those many years ago.

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
mikecane @ 1/18/2009 1:14:46 PM # Q
Listen, you can bet the highest concentration of the fastest home Net connections are all in that Silicon Valley area. Those selfish pigs. This is why the Net gets slow. Because of them! ROTF....

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
freakout @ 1/18/2009 1:56:45 PM # Q
but - this makes me wonder - did hawkins have ANYTHING to do with the Pre/WebOS? my guess is NO. after the fooleo disaster, they put him out to pasture.

I don't think he'd be to blame for Foleo. If it had come out a year earlier it might have been something special, but Palm's idea that it could develop two brand-new operating systems at the same time was nuts and made Foleo late to the party. Heck, maybe we'd have seen Pre and webOS six months ago if they hadn't split their resources the way they did.

Two of his ideas for Foleo have made the transition to webOS anyways - no need to save, multiple-device sync (which is essentially what the cloud-sync is). I still reckon the Foleo is going to get revisited in the days ahead - albeit with the hardware and software it should have debuted with in the first place.

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 -> Treo 650 -> Treo 680 -> Centro

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
mikecane @ 1/18/2009 2:30:51 PM # Q
>>>Heck, maybe we'd have seen Pre and webOS six months ago if they hadn't split their resources the way they did.

Oh wow. I hadn't thought of that!

That might have had a July into ... going up against the opening of the iPhone App Store!
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/iphone-app-store-now-open/

And the first day of sale for the iPhone 3G!
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/no-iday-2008-here/
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/iday-2008-2-still-lines/

Really, it was better for Palm to intro it when they did, at CES. They got ALL the press.

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
freakout @ 1/19/2009 1:35:39 AM # Q
^^ Hard to believe all that was only six months ago... I think you have a point. (Dear God, did I just say that to Mike Cane? :P )
RE: That Hawkins Quote!
twrock @ 1/19/2009 4:30:05 PM # Q
Really, it was better for Palm to intro it when they did, at CES. They got ALL the press.

And how did McNamee put it? Something about being lucky that Jobs wasn't at Macworld and Apple didn't have anything interesting to announce.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: That Hawkins Quote!
joad @ 1/20/2009 11:34:54 AM # Q
Apple's iPhone announcements have only seemed interesting by comparison to the crickets chirping away through the spiderwebs over at Palm. My Treo can run circles around whatever the iPhone can do - problem is that the iPhone looks "prettier," and in this age of style over substance Palm has had an inferiority complex for years.

The "Pre" has some interesting features and looks pretty, but I'm wondering how much of the baby they are throwing away with the bathwater by trying to mimic the iPhone. No removable flash, pitifully low permanent flash, no stylus, etc. There's a reason that Frankengarnet devices are STILL selling years past their perceived obsolescence, and it ain't because we feel charitable toward Palm....

Palm "Preh": as in "eh, where's the microSD and Garnet emulator?"

RE: That Hawkins Quote!
mikecane @ 1/20/2009 11:43:51 AM # Q
>>>>My Treo can run circles around whatever the iPhone can do

Yeah, like Blazer puts Safari to shame.

Next!

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Waiting for Dvorak to be Stupid again...

mikecane @ 1/18/2009 8:52:02 AM # Q
Dvorak: iPhone battery dead after 40 minutes
http://theappleblog.com/2007/04/04/dvorak-iphone-battery-dead-after-40-minutes/

Don't bother clicking through to the original Marketwatch story. It's 404ed.

RE: Waiting for Dvorak to be Stupid again...
joad @ 1/20/2009 11:37:33 AM # Q
I know few iPhone users that are happy with battery life after a month with the device. By the time you realize you are hosed with that permanent battery, you still have 23 months of ripoff rates to pay Mother Bell.

Even PALM was smart enough to get a replaceable battery into the Treo 6xx series as soon as they took control over it.

Palm "Preh": as in "eh, where's the microSD and Garnet emulator?"

RE: Waiting for Dvorak to be Stupid again...
mikecane @ 1/20/2009 11:42:35 AM # Q
But it's not as bad as Dvorak made out.

I'm not sure anyone anywhere is really happy with the battery life of anything. We all want MOAR!

RE: Waiting for Dvorak to be Stupid again...
abosco @ 1/20/2009 11:49:18 AM # Q
The original iPhone battery was fantastic. I could get two days of usage out of it with no real problem. When I bought the iPhone 3G, the battery life was bad. And by bad, I mean so horrendous, you needed to turn off most of the radios to make it through the day. And not only that, the 3G reception was so poor, I would get dropped calls every day. This was the first time with years of AT&T (formerly Cingular, dating back to TDMA and their switch to a GSM network) that I had experienced dropped calls.

I was left with a phone that had its 3G radio disabled and a battery life that still only lasted half as long as the first. I was ready to return it and go back to my original iPhone with cracked screen.

Update 2.1 didn't help, and neither did 2.1.1. Finally, about six weeks after I first bought it, software update 2.2 completely cured everything. Battery life was back up to my two day standard, and 3G reception was suddenly phenomenal everywhere (with one dropped call in the last six months). So I was in the same boat as those guys you talked to. Fortunately, it has changed very much since then. Who knew a software update could do so much?

The sad truth is that a very tiny minority of cell phone users actually have secondary batteries. That probably prompted Apple to create a non-user-replaceable battery.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: Waiting for Dvorak to be Stupid again...
mikecane @ 1/20/2009 11:58:15 AM # Q
And let's be clear that Dvorak was talking about iPhone NON-3G. And well BEFORE it was released.

RE: Waiting for Dvorak to be Stupid again...
freakout @ 1/20/2009 12:29:45 PM # Q
The sad truth is that a very tiny minority of cell phone users actually have secondary batteries. That probably prompted Apple to create a non-user-replaceable battery.

It's not just about secondary batteries. It's about being able to replace a dud without having to pay $85.95 for the privelidge of sending your phone away for a week and having all your data erased. Or upgrading it, as I did with my Treo 680 when Seidio released a larger-capacity battery.

Sure, only a minority of users might call upon it. But that doesn't mean you say "**** 'em".

RE: Waiting for Dvorak to be Stupid again...
mikecane @ 1/20/2009 2:00:02 PM # Q
It's still unclear how a secondary battery will be charged. Swap in Pre while on the Touchstone?! Yeesh.

RE: Waiting for Dvorak to be Stupid again...
hkklife @ 1/20/2009 4:16:01 PM # Q
At CES the Palm reps were using this little gadget:

http://tinyurl.com/6trr8n

It's a "standard" 800w (and Centro, though there's a Centro specific version with an Athena connector) portable charger that charges "standard" 800w/Pre/Centro batteries.

I imagine this same Charger will rebranded/repackaged for the Pre and sold as such, probably with a higher pricetag.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?

RE: Waiting for Dvorak to be Stupid again...
mikecane @ 1/21/2009 12:04:45 PM # Q
I didn't know about that, of course. That's a clever design, it doubling as a case for the spare battery!

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Palm Pre Launcher screensnaps

mikecane @ 1/18/2009 9:14:29 AM # Q
Just uploaded to my Flickr 3 screensnaps of the Pre Launcher.

I didn't know there was a *second* screen on the CES demo models.

See what you can make out:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikecane02/

Source video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQ4v2QEZUI

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Palm Pre Size Photos and other Pics

mikecane @ 1/18/2009 9:58:24 AM # Q
Palm Pre next to iPhone:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vagabondproject/3183718967
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vagabondproject/3184570910/

Palm Pre next to a bunch of others:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vagabondproject/3184551600/

Also:

Web brow[s]ing on Palm Pre looks good
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33829657@N02/3180582910/

Books for devs:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15583899@N00/3180792460/
- hmmm... Eclipse and SQLite?

CES Partner list:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/techpulse360/3186502261/
- you know, Amazon has an iPhone app. One coming for Pre too?
(Amazon iPhone app: http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/iphone-devs-plough-your-own-furrow/ )

And these two just SCREAMs, "Kiss ...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/techpulse360/3187373608/

"... my ass, Cane!"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/techpulse360/3186513803/

RE: Palm Pre Size Photos and other Pics
palmato @ 1/18/2009 11:34:36 AM # Q
Books for devs:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15583899@N00/3180792460/
- hmmm... Eclipse and SQLite?

The SDK uses Eclipse as IDE (just like the acccess garnet dev kit) and sqllite is the db engine included in webos.


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RE: Palm Pre Size Photos and other Pics
mikecane @ 1/18/2009 11:47:54 AM # Q
I had brain fog on Eclipse. I knew SQLite was a DB, but didn't know Pre had that. What are the ramifications of SQLite in the Pre? Is it the only phone - or even pocketable gadget - to have that?

RE: Palm Pre Size Photos and other Pics
palmato @ 1/18/2009 2:14:06 PM # Q
AFAIK SqlLite is used in the iPhone and many Symbian phones. Being a small footprint db it's probably used in other devices too, though not available to custom applications. See http://www.sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html

The advantage is that it brings a relational db to a device. It works with the widely known SQL language, and does not require a specific API, as it is the case with garnet, for example. Moreover it can be accessed directly from the webkit engine (provided that the implementation of html 5 supports it), though it's likely it will also be available through the system api.

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RE: Palm Pre Size Photos and other Pics
Nycran @ 1/18/2009 9:07:21 PM # Q
Yup, sqlite is fantastic. There's a compact framework dll available for free and I've used it on a Win Mobile application - very nice. At the least, developers can now use the same db engine on windows mobile, iphone, palm pre, and Google Android. Makes porting an app just that bit easier when your schema and queries are already written.

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Pre: Keyboard Launch Shortcuts CONFIRMED!

mikecane @ 1/18/2009 11:31:15 AM # Q
Look at this vid from the UK Register. Watch how he launches the Amazon app! (Aha! There *is* an amazon app!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpCdQg4_QpI

And go droooool over this multiple instance of the web browser vid:
http://www.precentral.net/youtube-video-features-palm-pre-web-browser

RE: Pre: Keyboard Launch Shortcuts CONFIRMED!
reidme @ 1/18/2009 3:44:04 PM # Q
He was using the universal search. When he typed "A" it listed all apps starting with A and then he touched the Amazon icon onscreen.

RE: Pre: Keyboard Launch Shortcuts CONFIRMED!
mikecane @ 1/18/2009 3:54:51 PM # Q
Yeah, but to me that's a shortcut. OK, shorter-cut. AFAIK, that can't be done on iPhone. What about Treo and Centro?

Also, there was another video I pointed to where the demo was of the email app and it looked to be called up entirely via the keyboard, no list to choose from as with the amazon app demo.

RE: Pre: Keyboard Launch Shortcuts CONFIRMED!
DarthRepublican @ 1/18/2009 6:23:23 PM # Q
I guess you can think of it as a lazy shortcut. It's not a shortcut to a specific item but the device is smart enough to bring up a list items that start with that letter. Windows Vista and 7 are pretty similar in that when you press the start button and bring up the start menu you can also begin typing and it will bring up a list of items that start with the letter(s) you typed. With older versions of Windows, you could also hit start and pretty a letter and the start menu would highlight an item which begins with that letter.

Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680->T-Mobile G1
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
RE: Pre: Keyboard Launch Shortcuts CONFIRMED!
freakout @ 1/19/2009 1:45:17 AM # Q
Yeah, but to me that's a shortcut. OK, shorter-cut. AFAIK, that can't be done on iPhone. What about Treo and Centro?

Treo and Centro have find-as-you-type built-in to the Contacts app and the Launcher, but it's not universal like the Pre. On the Centro you can also assign OS-wide keyboard shorcuts to apps (i.e. I have "K" for World Clock, "T" for PocketTunes, "W" for Web etc).

What I really hope is that they include music & media files in the search, not just apps and contacts - or at least give you the option as to what will be searched. That'd be killer. Beats the crap out of constant scolling through your media library (which even on the dinky 6GB microSD in my Centro is hundreds and hundreds of files).

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New phone features 'baffle users'

mikecane @ 1/18/2009 4:17:43 PM # Q
New phone features 'baffle users'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7833944.stm

>>>Mr Bancroft said setting up a new phone should take only 15 minutes but many people were spending an hour or more to get the handset to do what they wanted.

>>>He added that most people wanted to do such tasks as browsing the web, reading e-mail, or sending picture messages, but the complexity of modern handsets was leaving them foxed.

I wonder how many of these phones have Nokia on them? And how many have Symbian, WinMob - and even *PalmOS* - under the hood?

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shameless

Gekko @ 1/18/2009 5:42:07 PM # Q

palm_inc: Did you catch Palm-investor Bono on the "We Are One" inauguration music fest? He performed just before ("pre") the president-elect.
half a minute ago Reply View Tweet

http://twitter.com/palm_inc/statuses/1129390361

RE: shameless
mikecane @ 1/19/2009 10:15:00 AM # Q
HAHAHAHAHA. You *are* unemployed, sitting unshaven in your underwear, spying on me and everyone else on Twitter!

Did you put the Lexus on Craigslist yet?

RE: shameless
Gekko @ 1/19/2009 10:59:04 AM # Q

projecting again?

yeah - your daily activities - mending chicken wire, reading comic books, and cooking microwave pizzas is fascinating.


RE: shameless
mikecane @ 1/19/2009 11:27:14 AM # Q
Reading comic books?! Where the hell did you get *that* one from? You're drunk again, right?

And if you're going to keep scratching down there, ffs, go to a pharma and get some ointment!

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Big Brother hiding in the Cloud

Gekko @ 1/19/2009 10:56:42 AM # Q

If You Commit a Felony, Don't Google It or You'll Go to Jail
By matt buchanan, 1:00 PM on Mon Jan 19 2009, 7,854 views

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nomayo
1:20 PM

The real problem is for folks like me who use gmail or other google services that keep you logged in. In this case, my google searches are being stored and tied to my account to better serve advertising to me. The problem with that is, one subpeona to google and it'll be used to serve you to a jury.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5134441/if-you-commit-a-felony-dont-google-it-or-youll-go-to-jail



RE: Big Brother hiding in the Cloud
mikecane @ 1/19/2009 11:25:45 AM # Q
Given *your* politics, Gekko, wtf are you screaming about?

Civil liberties = "hippie rights" to *you*.

And FYI: Schmuck, the ENTIRE INTERNET has been filtered through the NSA for YEARS now.

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CompanionLink to sync Pre via USB

Gekko @ 1/19/2009 3:24:47 PM # Q

"CompanionLink users will be able to sync contacts, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, calendar events, tasks, notes, and alarms and reminders between the Palm Pre and popular contact management solutions like ACT! by Sage, Google, Palm Desktop, Lotus Notes, GoldMine, and Microsoft Outlook. Complete two-way synchronization ensures that any change to data on the Palm Pre will synchronize back with the contact management database. CompanionLink lets users choose between wired (USB) sync and wireless (over-the-air) sync with their phone."

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Companionlink-Software-Inc-939116.html

http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=175796

(hat tip to Goyena)


RE: CompanionLink to sync Pre via USB
Gekko @ 1/19/2009 3:38:14 PM # Q

looking on companionlink's site, i see they offer their "wireless sync" for $9.95/month on their servers. maybe that's the up-sell. offer the USB sync bundle free with the pre and at little/no cost to palm - and get the chance to up-sell the subscription service to all of palm's potentially huge user base via the "upgrade now" icon. give away the razor to sell the razor blades.

http://www.companionlink.com/products/wirelesssync.html



RE: CompanionLink to sync Pre via USB
twrock @ 1/19/2009 3:48:11 PM # Q
Ok, so it looks like there will be a "local" solution, even if Palm doesn't supply it. But, I don't think it's gonna be free: http://www.companionlink.com/products/companionlink.html


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RE: CompanionLink to sync Pre via USB
reidme @ 1/19/2009 6:35:00 PM # Q
It's interesting that they say "CompanionLink will become the missing sync software between the Palm Pre and CRM solutions..."

I wonder what Mark/Space thinks about that.

RE: CompanionLink to sync Pre via USB
mikecane @ 1/20/2009 6:48:38 AM # Q
Gekko is so worried about his data. Hey, they can stroll right into your private domain and take it any time they want. Ever heard of the new "warrantless searches"?

And go read the hp Q&A I pointed to about The Cloud. Whether any of you like it or not, there are going to be aspects of the cloud you will *have* to use, most likely in a corporate context. I've just read it a second time and it's inspired a post I'll do at me new blog later (just probably not today; I need to witness the Inauguration!).

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Palm should hire this copywriter

SeldomVisitor @ 1/20/2009 4:19:51 AM # Q
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Go on, switch to Windows Mobile

mikecane @ 1/21/2009 12:40:46 PM # Q
And watch your EYES BLEED as they upon its craptasticness!!!
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2536

Hello, MS! 1984 called and wants its scrollbars back!!

RE: Go on, switch to Windows Mobile
mikecane @ 1/21/2009 12:41:34 PM # Q
See? MY eyes bled so much I left out a word!!

RE: Go on, switch to Windows Mobile
hkklife @ 1/21/2009 1:40:52 PM # Q
HIDEOUS! The handful of Samsung/HTC custom launchers & Storm/Bold-exclusive superfial facelifts aside, both BlackBerry OS & Windows Mobile (and to a slightly lesser degree, S60) are so text-heavy, busy, and "squished" feeling that they should be put out to pasture ASAP.

Garnet might not be stylish but at least it's fairly efficient and those handful of tweaks Palm made back in '06 (new camera/photo/messaging apps on the 700p, new dialer screen on 680 & Centro) at least helped dress up some of the worst bits.

I still give the aesthetic nod to the iPhone and the Pre (basically a toss-up from what I've seen of the preliminary Pre stuff so far) with Android on the G1 running a fairly close second.



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RE: Go on, switch to Windows Mobile
Gekko @ 1/21/2009 2:46:23 PM # Q
RE: Go on, switch to Windows Mobile
mikecane @ 1/21/2009 5:26:49 PM # Q
MS should finally just admit defeat. Kill the Zune, kill WinMob, kill Vista. XP for everybody! Who knew *that* damned OS would be Their Finest Hour?

OK, the only hour people would *want* out of them?

RE: Go on, switch to Windows Mobile
hkklife @ 1/21/2009 6:01:06 PM # Q
Some would argue that Windows 2000 was their finest hour. But Win 7 is looking quite nice (what Vista should been from day 1 IMO) based on what I've seen, read, and played with so far.

No, Microsoft's problems aren't that bad on the desktop. It's the mobile line (Zune, Live this'n that, WinMob etc) that needs to be dumped and/or totally overhauled.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?

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Apple: 'What recession?'

abosco @ 1/21/2009 3:22:57 PM # Q
http://www.macworld.com/article/138362/2009/01/earnings.html

For the first time in its history, Apple surpassed the $10 billion revenue mark, posting revenue of $10.17 billion and a profit of $1.61 billion, or $1.78 per diluted share. This compares to revenue of $9.6 billion and net quarterly profit of $1.58 billion, or $1.76 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter.

Apple also beat Wall Street's predictions. Analysts polled by Thomson First Call expected revenues of $9.75 billion and $1.39 per diluted share.

... The company reported selling a record 22,727,000 iPods, a three percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter, and 4,363,000 iPhones, representing 88 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter.



-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G
RE: Apple: 'What recession?'
mikecane @ 1/21/2009 4:55:57 PM # Q
Last quarter doesn't matter. This and the next do.

And then the quarter AFTER the Pre has been out on sale in stores.

RE: Apple: 'What recession?'
abosco @ 1/21/2009 5:05:32 PM # Q
Many stores went bankrupt because of the horrendous holiday shopping season. Sales and revenues were down across the board. Meanwhile, Apple decides to outsell the same quarter last year. That's not significant to you?

4.5 million iPhone 3G sales isn't crazy? The Pre has to deal with about 15 million iPhones sold to date. Also, according to last quarter's results, RIM claims to have about 21 million active Blackberry users.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: Apple: 'What recession?'
mikecane @ 1/21/2009 5:25:00 PM # Q
No, it's not significant as an indicator of the *economy*.

*Germany* finally woke up to how frikkin bad things actually are. And Germany is no slouch. You can bet there are white knuckles at Apple, just like every other company - and country - out there. At some point, *everything* is going to turn to sh*t.

Palm's Pre introduction might never get past that, depending on how quickly the money lines go flat.

I *daily* have to ignore all this and function as if everything is still working properly, hence the Pre blog. It's called putting up a brave front.

RE: Apple: 'What recession?'
Foo Fighter @ 1/21/2009 6:46:11 PM # Q
The Pre has to deal with about 15 million iPhones sold to date.

On top of that Palm has hitched its wagon to a falling star. If you follow recent reports, Sprint is bleeding subscribers by the THOUSANDS and is in dire straights. Hell of a way to launch a new product that your company's very survival depends on.

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RE: Apple: 'What recession?'
Gekko @ 1/21/2009 7:16:50 PM # Q

boy, these apple fan boys are sensitive!


RE: Apple: 'What recession?'
hkklife @ 1/21/2009 8:28:25 PM # Q
Sprint=the Wal-Mart of wireless providers

Palm=the Wal-Mart of mobile phone companies

A match made in heaven!!


Seriously, though, I've got a burning question I'd love to see answered: Why has Sprint historically been so forgiving of Palm's missteps? I mean, they've been staunch supporters of the Palm OS since the first Handspring Treos, and it's lasted all the way up through Palm assimilating Handspring, the headaches of the various FranenGarnet Treos, Palm's decision to go WM and now the Pre.



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RE: Apple: 'What recession?'
mikecane @ 1/22/2009 10:53:23 AM # Q
>>>boy, these apple fan boys are sensitive!

And they shouldn't be. *I'm* not bashing the iPhone.

And I said again and again the iPhone would herald Nokia's death spiral.

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/01/22/nokia-cuts-09-view-after-grim-q4-report-stock-slides/
Die Nokia Die!


RE: Apple: 'What recession?'
mikecane @ 1/22/2009 10:56:24 AM # Q
>>>The Pre has to deal with about 15 million iPhones sold to date.

Oh I just *had* to repeat that for someone else here. Go up your meds again, lefty!

http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/apple-sells-10m-iphones-psychopath-increases-meds/

When does the ACCESS bankruptcy filing begin, btw?

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