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BusinessWeek has just published an article entitled Palm Pits Its Hopes on Nova. The piece focuses on the expectations of the upcoming Palm CES announcement "New-ness" peppered with a few revealing quotes from Palm executives. In fact, both Jon Rubinstein and Ed Colligan make some of the most direct remarks about the Nova OS to date and they leave no doubt that Nova will be the focus of the Jan 8th event.

Rubinstein's efforts are about to bear their first fruits. On Jan. 8 at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Palm is due to unveil the long-awaited operating system, code-named Nova, as well as the first of a family of products that will run on it. While Palm has protected its plans with Apple-like secrecy, Rubinstein and others say the goal is to create products that bridge the gap between Research In Motion's BlackBerry devices, oriented to work and e-mail, and Apple's iPhone, oriented to fun. "People's work and personal lives are melding," Colligan says, adding that Palm is aiming for the "fat middle of the market."

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Oh yeah?

SeldomVisitor @ 12/15/2008 10:05:53 AM # Q
But where did BusinessWekk get their information?

From the same content-free ad put out by Palm.

And a lot of conclusion-jumping.

RE: Oh yeah?
Ryan @ 12/15/2008 11:59:46 AM # Q
Well its seems as if after talking with Colligan and Ruby directly for the article, they are pretty certain enough to make that claim. Of course there is little else it could be now.
RE: Oh yeah?
SeldomVisitor @ 12/15/2008 12:12:54 PM # Q
I did not get any impression that any conversations were "recent". Literally nothing in the article says anything like "we sat down recently with" or "in a recent email exchange" or "during a meeting after last quarter's earnigns call" or anything approaching it. The LACK of such words tells me there were NO such conversations.

I've said it before; I'll say it again:

== "Be CAREFUL about what you read in the Me-Too Media; they OFTEN get it way wrong"

And furthermore, the Me-Too Media often state unfounded opinion and state it as if it is fact rather than hunches and jumped-to conclusions.

RE: Oh yeah?
Gekko @ 12/15/2008 12:14:10 PM # Q
>I've said it before; I'll say it again:
== "Be CAREFUL about what you read in the Me-Too Media; they OFTEN get it way wrong"
And furthermore, the Me-Too Media often state unfounded opinion and state it as if it is fact rather than hunches and jumped-to conclusions.


this coming from a guy who reads the yahoo message boards and takes them as gospel!

RE: Oh yeah?
SeldomVisitor @ 12/15/2008 12:25:32 PM # Q
Never.

In fact, I've posted THIS;

---

Words to remember:

== "...Information posted anywhere
== should not be used as a substitute for
== independent research, and should not be
== relied on to trade or make investment
== decisions. Prudent investors do their
== homework and don't believe everything they
== read..."
==
== "...Never assume people are who they say
== they are, know what they say they know, or
== are affiliated with whom they say they are
== affiliated..."

[derived from the original Yahoo warning that used to be at:

- http://messages.yahoo.com/reminder.html
]

there til my fingers got callused.

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It's not a phone!

mikecane @ 12/15/2008 10:22:45 AM # Q
Jaysus, willya all get that into your heads?

RE: It's not a phone!
BaalthazaaR @ 12/15/2008 10:28:37 AM # Q
Fooleo II then?
RE: It's not a phone!
Gekko @ 12/15/2008 11:15:41 AM # Q

MikeCon - all of your predictions are usually wrong so please stop proclaiming things as if you have any knowledge or certainty or clue.


RE: It's not a phone!
mikecane @ 12/15/2008 12:51:37 PM # Q
Yeah, like me saying back in JANUARY the entire worldwide economy would be in the toilet ... how wrong I was. The layoffs and imminent bankruptcy of the Big 3 are mass hallucinations. You deluded eejit. This, from a guy whose life revolves around a Playskool cellphone!

BTW, Gekko, how much did YOU lose with sociopathic Madoff? ROTFLMAO!!!

RE: It's not a phone!
Gekko @ 12/15/2008 1:08:40 PM # Q

hipsters have been predicting the end of the world for a long time. it makes them feel better.

RE: It's not a phone!
abosco @ 12/15/2008 2:04:25 PM # Q
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G
RE: It's not a phone!
CFreymarc @ 12/15/2008 2:43:58 PM # Q
Guess you weren't invited to the Palm Christmas party for this week. If anyone has a line on at least the location of it this year, a few party crashers are interested around here. Supposedly it is this Saturday night somewhere in the south bay.
RE: It's not a phone!
mikecane @ 12/15/2008 5:14:00 PM # Q
Nah, a party would be the worst place to see it or get info. You have to find out where Ed Colligan eats breakfast. He'll be sitting there *using* it.

Well, until he saw *this* frikkin post.

RE: It's not a phone!
Gekko @ 12/28/2008 10:27:47 AM # Q

>BTW, Gekko, how much did YOU lose with sociopathic Madoff? ROTFLMAO!!!

unlike you, i'm a God-fearing Christian. i don't do business with such characters.

could it be that the Almighty used Bernie Madoff as the messenger to deliver a message to the money changers? how does that story go regarding the Temple and the money changers?

Reverend?

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A couple quotes make me nervous...

DrewT3 @ 12/15/2008 10:47:16 AM # Q
A couple of the quotes make me worry that Palm still doesn't get it:

"The iPhone comes closest to handling such divergent needs, but is so packed with features that its battery power is quickly depleted, McNamee says."

So the problem with the iPhone is that it is too powerful and has too many features? Are they going to launch Nova running on PalmIII hardware?

"Sources say Rubinstein's team also hopes to create phones that make smarter use of data about you. For example, your smartphone could send you an e-mail the day before your next business trip, advising you on the weather conditions in your destination city."

This type of functionality is already all over the web. I hope they have a more compelling vision than this.


RE: A couple quotes make me nervous...
AdamaDBrown @ 12/15/2008 10:55:00 AM # Q
Eeeh. That first quote brings to mind Palm's history of insisting that its customers don't want WiFi and those who do don't know what they're talking about.

RE: A couple quotes make me nervous...
hkklife @ 12/15/2008 11:41:28 AM # Q
The iPhone and/or some of the newer BlackBerry models DO come close, but they all come up tragically short in several key areas.

Apple, for one, still refuses to budge on certain features--video recording, cut & paste, removable battery, and some kind of external expansion card slot, that have been standard features on even the crustiest Garnet-based Treos for 6+ years now. You all know I am the first one to point a critical finger at Palm but there REALLY is tons of room of improvement on all of the current mobile platforms. Their timing & exectution will have to be near-flawless (and that still may not be enough to save Palm but I'd rather see 'em go down swinging) but there IS an opportunity to strike and take back some marketshare & developer support, especally in the first half of '09.

"Sources say Rubinstein's team also hopes to create phones that make smarter use of data about you. For example, your smartphone could send you an e-mail the day before your next business trip, advising you on the weather conditions in your destination city."

This is all just a bunch of resource-draining silliness that stinks of more Fooleo tomfoolery. I don't want to be spammed by my own device. I just want a ROCK SOLID STABLE & SNAPPY OS with good multimedia capabilities, 3G and beyond wireless support, a full assortment of supported screen resolutions with scalable fonts & AA, and a refreshed version of the classic Palm OS UI & PIM apps. At this stage of the game, I personally don't give a hoot about backwards compatibility (just let me seamlessly & painlessly import 12 years of Palm OS PIM data, PLEASE!) with Garnet but I know that's critical for some folks. Maybe borrow a page from Sony's PS3 playbook and offer a Garnet compatibility layer on the higher-end SKUs or simply offer a Garnet emulator plugin for purchase??

Hardware-wise, I'd basically like a device that resembles the BB Storm spec-wise but without that silly clicking touchscreen. I still want a stylus, even if it's toothpick thin Centro-style but the OS needs to be switchable between "stulus" mode and "thumb" mode.

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RE: A couple quotes make me nervous...
mikecane @ 12/15/2008 12:54:53 PM # Q
>>>still refuses to budge on certain features

Ha. Yeah, like they refused to offer direct downloading of podcasts - until they did. And refused 3G - until they did. And location-based-ness - until they did.

Apple is doing a slow rollout of things. This is what irritates me. It's like they've adopted the Palm Playbook. That makes Apple vulnerable. Not fatally so, but even a small cut can lead to hemorrhage - or gangrene. Just ask Palm!

RE: A couple quotes make me nervous...
mikecane @ 12/15/2008 1:05:16 PM # Q
>>>"For example, your smartphone could send you an e-mail the day before your next business trip, advising you on the weather conditions in your destination city."

I wouldn't read much into that example, btw. I mean, come on, how silly. Unless, you know, for crying out loud, there's NO BUILT-IN WEATHER APP!

Why would someone want a frikkin EMAIL when you could just tap on a Weather icon?

Colligan: So what'd you feed them, Ruby?

Rubenstein: The weather email garbage.

Colligan: You think they'll bite?

Rubenstein: Hey, they never saw the subprime crisis, so I know they'll swallow that malarkey!

Disinfo Accomplished.

RE: A couple quotes make me nervous...
AdamaDBrown @ 12/15/2008 6:46:14 PM # Q
Apple doesn't want to budge on removable storage and a replaceable battery because they want to treat the iPhones are essentially an upgrade treadmill just like the classic iPods. Giving people the option to put in more memory and a new battery just gives them a reason not to buy the next shiny gizmo. They won't do those things unless they're convinced that they absolutely have to.

Cut and paste and video recording... Chances are that you'll see those rolled out at some point, just because it's something they can do in software. Why not so far? Well, people are still buying the things, aren't they?

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Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.

AdamaDBrown @ 12/15/2008 10:51:49 AM # Q
I'm hopeful about Palm's announcement, but Palm has a huge weight of history to overcome if they want to make something really interesting, and these overly glowing statements aren't encouraging.

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
SeldomVisitor @ 12/15/2008 11:08:46 AM # Q
RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
hkklife @ 12/15/2008 12:39:52 PM # Q
Adama, will you be at CES to see what is unveiled?

I agree that Palm's got their work cut out for them. The saddest thing ever would be if Nova really is everything we've wanted it to be but due to carrier, developer, & mass market consumer indifference, it dies a slow, quiet death. The blame, of course, could be laid squarely at the hands of Colligan, Hawkins, & whoever else approved that disastrous Fooleo project. The Foleo's $ cost to Palm was negligable when you consider the drain on the company's dwindling reserves of R&D talent/ manpower and how badly it tarnished their brand and caused delays to the Nova project.

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RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary t
mikecane @ 12/15/2008 1:00:48 PM # Q
If Asus had never announced the EeePC and Palm had nudged the damned price down - and had also put in s SIM slot - the Foleo would have been revolutionary. They got caught in both crossfire and self-sabotage. The biggest self-sabotage was when Hawkins had to admit, "Uh, no, it can't do YouTube."

There is STILL a market for such a device, but it has to offer a hell of a lot more - and be soooo easily extended by devs (and perhaps even determined *users*).

And, dammit, I'd STILL like to molest the original. I wonder what that keyboard was like!! (Having this AM again fondled the keyboards of the MSI Wind and Sumsung - and also that new hp.)

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
Gekko @ 12/15/2008 1:13:59 PM # Q
>If Asus had never announced the EeePC and Palm had nudged the damned price down - and had also put in s SIM slot - the Foleo would have been revolutionary. They got caught in both crossfire and self-sabotage. The biggest self-sabotage was when Hawkins had to admit, "Uh, no, it can't do YouTube."


"IF"??? stop living in the world of hipster make-believe and come back to reality.

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary t
mikecane @ 12/15/2008 4:50:09 PM # Q
You crack me up, Gekko, thinking I'm some pushover trendster hipster.

Who drives a Lexus, sheep-boy?

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
hkklife @ 12/15/2008 5:29:58 PM # Q
"If Asus had never announced the EeePC and Palm had nudged the damned price down - and had also put in s SIM slot - the Foleo would have been revolutionary. They got caught in both crossfire and self-sabotage. The biggest self-sabotage was when Hawkins had to admit, "Uh, no, it can't do YouTube."

10 Fooleo mistakes:

1. Overpriced. Add to that the lack of carrier involvement due to no integrated 3G wireless connectivity (or even a SIM slot) and Palm's declining retail

presence...where would people have bought the thing other than palm.com & Best Buy?
2. Underpowered PDA Xscale CPU circa 2004

3. Too little onboard storage & RAM

4. Totally unexpandable (Fixed RAM, no SSD or 2.5" HD add-ins) aside from CF & SD slots & just 1 USB port, no webcam

5. Too little on-board functionality (no PIM capability, no e-mail client etc), especially as far as MP3/multimedia (no YouTube was just the tip of the iceberg)

6. Relied far too heavily on being tethered to a Treo (plus the cost/hassle of that device). Honestly, the people who can afford a Treo + DUN plan + a Fooleo could've & would've rather just paid for a data plan for a netbook (look at Acer's $99 Aspire One on AT&T now!)

7. It was based on a separate/different Linux kernel than Nova, spreading Palm's already diminished resources impossibly thin

8. Spending $10 Mil + countless wasted man-hours on a device with NO target market

9. Totally limited OS with nearly zero 3rd party apps

10. A "me too" formfactor (netbook) that was about to get flooded by everyone and their brother with lower pricetags, far greater functionality, and more $ in the bank and marketing depts

I'd personally have tried to push the Newton-style "larger than a PDA" formfactor for any kind of next-gen device. Nokia's on the right track (at least FF-wise) with their N series Internet tablets.

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RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
Gekko @ 12/15/2008 5:37:32 PM # Q

perhaps the fooleo was targeted to the highly profitable hipster market?

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
AdamaDBrown @ 12/15/2008 9:23:28 PM # Q
hkklife wrote:

Adama, will you be at CES to see what is unveiled?

I won't, but Ed will be. As it happens I'm no longer going to be writing for Brighthand as of the end of the month: due to budget cuts our parent company can no longer afford to pay me.

I agree that Palm's got their work cut out for them. The saddest thing ever would be if Nova really is everything we've wanted it to be but due to carrier, developer, & mass market consumer indifference, it dies a slow, quiet death.

I know nobody likes the idea-including me-but that's a distinct possibility. There's already a turf battle of mobile platforms out there, with the Blackberries claiming business, iPhone taking multimedia, S60 going for the ultra-low-end, Microsoft sitting on everything else, and Android starting to make trouble around the perimeter looking for whoever's weakest (which, in my opinion, is S60).

With all that out there, and all the parties-carriers, developers, "ecosystem" places like Amazon Unbox-are somewhat obligated to choose sides, or at least limit their liability to as few platforms as they absolutely have to support, to reduce costs.

Mike wrote:

If Asus had never announced the EeePC and Palm had nudged the damned price down

But of course, Asus DID announce the Eee. I sympathize somewhat with your argument. I thought for years before the recent netbook boom that there was room for a simple, straightforward sub-sub-notebook running a stripped down OS. The key is though that my vision ran an established operating system, usually Windows Mobile, and was designed to be fully autonomous, not just a keyboard-and-screen extension of a smartphone. It was also smaller, closer to Eee size.

But with the shrinking of "real" PC hardware, that time is now past. They're cheap enough, light enough, and robust enough that there is not and likely never will be a market again for a non-conventional netbook.

Re: hkk's list, I mostly agree, with one note on number four: Don't underestimate the utility of CF and SD. You can get a 8 GB CF card for dirt cheap, and a 32 GB card for not that much. If you're talking about reduced formfactor, primarily as a netbook and companion to a desktop, 16-48 GB solid-state would be pretty good. Just look at the success the original Eee had with only a few GB of storage each.

I'd personally have tried to push the Newton-style "larger than a PDA" formfactor for any kind of next-gen device. Nokia's on the right track (at least FF-wise) with their N series Internet tablets.

I partly agree, but it all depends on the spin you put on the device. If you can combine a few different things-GPS, multimedia, and robust internet-then you can sell it as an independent lifestyle device. Roll all the functions that some people may not want to carry around all the time into an alternative: the iPod Touch meets Garmin, with a touch of the Eee PC thrown in.

What's really needed to get such a niche off the ground is a way to get online without the hassles of cellular, but also without the limited scope of WiFi. This is why I continue to say Palm's best chance of survival is getting in bed with Sprint on their WiMAX network. They should also be hooking up with other companies like Echostar/Dish Network, for instance to provide a way of downloading TV shows from a DVR directly onto the device. It's all about the strategic partnerships.

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
hkklife @ 12/15/2008 10:02:53 PM # Q
Adama;

Sorry to hear the bad news. In these trying times, EVERYONE I know of is taking a beating $-wise. Are you gonna set up your own little blog or just keep freelancing? Something along the lines of Kent's (aka FooFighter) Elitist Snob is an amusing read. Or you could just follow Mike Cane's and start to a new blog every year from the perspective of a transient madman ranting about the approaching End Times.

I am absolutely stunned at how "viable" netbooks and that whole formfactor/ecosystem is. Whether Linux or XP (and if XP's "accidental" resurrection in scaled down netbook hardware wasn't a blessing to MS, I don't know what is). I've always liked Asus but I never figured them to be the ones to invent/popularize an entire new market.

I totally see your point about CF & SD. But I love the fact that after just a year or so, there's already a handful of different netbooks (almost) for every need. We just need faster Atom CPUs and a MUCH better mobile chipset from Intel. If ANYONE ends up smothering the netbook market's chance of long-term viability, it's going to be Intel being lazy/complacent/greedy/arrogant. The current Atom + 945GSE combination is underpowered garbage, Via's Nano isn't going to bring anything worthwhile to the table, and AMD has much bigger problems at the moment to contend with and aren't interested in netbooks anyway. This is a HUGE opportunity for Nvidia. They need to stop fiddling around with the declining $600 video cards sector and really go after the embedded market ASAP! The Asus N10J was a tantilizing taste of what could be possible if someone would go ahead and do it right and do it cheap(er)!

I had an original 4GB EEE and even with a handful of SDHC cards + USB thumb drives, I was running out of space. So that's why I love having a 250gb 2.5" HD in my 1000H. I can carry EVERYTHING I could possibly want around with me, without having the theft/damage risk or bulk of an external bus-powered hard drive. So for MY needs (media & PDFs/ebooks), I need a bigger netbook with oodles of dedicated storage space. Amongst the smaller netbooks, I really like what Acer has done with the Aspire One, with its dual SDHC slots. Ideally, I'd like to see a netbook with maybe 2 SSDs (one small & fast for the OS, one large & slower for data) in addition to two SDHC slots.

As far as "a way to get online without the hassles of cellular", I agree wholeheartedly. Palm & Sprint have already been in bed together for some time. I've said for years that Sprint needs to go ahead and cut their losses and jettison the antiquated iDen network and really bet the farm on WiMax. The Echostar/Dish suggestion is also a good one. I really figured (and hoped) that more would come from the Archos/Dish partnership. Something like a Palm version of the Nokia N-series Internet Tablets running Nova WITH great PIM capabilities and all of the Cloud services we've talked about here before but on Sprint's Xohm WiMax with native capability to do Slingbox-style viewing on the go of your DVR/satellite/HTPC content at home would be fantastic. Or to somehow combine the above with the social networking stuff that Palm really seems to be honing in on as the next killer app.

In all likelihood, we'll have to end up compromising with carrier-subsidized $99 netbooks like the Wind & Aspire One with integrated 3G cards running XP. Alas.

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RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
AdamaDBrown @ 12/15/2008 11:36:42 PM # Q
Thanks. Not really sure if I'm going to do anything in that vein just yet. I'd do it in a heartbeat if I thought that I could get access to anything more than trivia to do reviews on-I really do enjoy this stuff, as evidenced by offering my opinion for free so much around here and elsewhere. :D But if it's just going to be free-form rantings and offers to review software, I'd be better off dedicating myself to long-term projects.

Or you could just follow Mike Cane's and start to a new blog every year from the perspective of a transient madman ranting about the approaching End Times.

Been there, done that.

I am absolutely stunned at how "viable" netbooks and that whole formfactor/ecosystem is.

In a way, I'm not. Despite the obvious desire for a power/portability ratio, there's never been a real market for something between the size of "handheld" and "laptop" because nobody wanted to give up pocketability for anything less than full features. Thus, the simple solution: make the laptop smaller. In past years it would have been a stripped down thing running a pocket OS, but today it's possible to do it with the real thing. It's all about being able to do things. The old middle-market units couldn't approach laptops, so they bombed. Netbooks can.

I totally see your point about CF & SD. But I love the fact that after just a year or so, there's already a handful of different netbooks (almost) for every need. We just need faster Atom CPUs and a MUCH better mobile chipset from Intel.

I'll admit that I haven't paid much attention to the world of X86 chipsets and video hardware lately, so I'll take your word for it. Still, what I've heard of the Atom seems like it's going to make a basis for some fine small-formfactor devices.

As far as "a way to get online without the hassles of cellular", I agree wholeheartedly. Palm & Sprint have already been in bed together for some time. I've said for years that Sprint needs to go ahead and cut their losses and jettison the antiquated iDen network and really bet the farm on WiMax.

Agreed. The Nextel side of the company is responsible for a lot of their customer hemhorraging, and I don't forsee it getting better. The only thing that Nextel had going for them was Push-To-Talk, which was rapidly copied by other carriers, and ruggedized phones, which you can build for anybody. It's a dead end technology anyway, and continuing to try and keep it alive is just going to waste time and money. Stop the bleeding now. WiMAX is where the growth is: they've got at least a 1-2 year head start on every other player in getting 4G out there.

Besides which, those moves play into each other: killing iDEN frees up spectrum in the much coveted 800 MHz range. But this spectrum is outside the usual band, so using it for CDMA 850 is out of the question. But it CAN be used to provide WiMAX. Sprint's obligated to use the 2500 MHz band for wireless by FCC terms of their merger, but adding 800 MHz WiMAX on top of that would make deployment easier and coverage better.

The Echostar/Dish suggestion is also a good one. I really figured (and hoped) that more would come from the Archos/Dish partnership.

The problem with Archos is that they're pitching what is really a single use device in the age of universal utility. It's a media player which, if you pay an extra $30, can also vaguely browse the web. That won't do at all. They had the right idea, but they would need to go all in on it, and most importantly, not try to control every aspect of the ecosystem. That way just lies stagnation.

What you describe is extremely close to the thing I'm envisioning. It's not quite a media player, not an internet tablet, but a kind of bridge device that brings together all of the sectors of your electronic world.

GPS, sat nav, and Google-style location based services, as well as smart GPS functions. DVR downloads and live streaming audio/video from your home entertainment system. Computer activities like web browsing, email, social networking and YouTube.

Imagine a device that lets you look at a program guide, choose which things you want to record, and it instantly tells your home DVR to record them-no matter where you are? Or knows where you are, where your next appointment is, and gives you an intelligent warning as to when you need to leave? Complete with traffic reports factored in? Broadband internet everywhere, providing an instantaneous link to the world, news, weather, sports, and instant shopping for new music, movies, programs?

Take the integration further: buy a song, or an album, over the air and the music store automatically delivers a copy not just to your device but also to your home media center. The same for a movie: it provides a stream, or a compact download version for your device, and a high-quality one back home, that's waiting for you when you get there. It's the same principle as remote DVR scheduling, just one step further.

All of it is quite possible with current tech-hell, I've done a lot of it in less polished form, with my Blackjack II, with my Slingbox, with TCPMP, with Google Maps. That's the key to the next killer device. The iPhone went huge not because it did new things, but because it did things right out of the box. What we're talking about is an evolution and tying together of technologies that are already out there, the way that mobile video and music was already there before the iPhone made it easy.

There's the future: your world in the size of a paperback book.

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary t
mikecane @ 12/16/2008 5:40:01 AM # Q
>>>But of course, Asus DID announce the Eee.

You still miss the point. That announcement was totally out of left field. NO ONE could see it coming. There was OLPC, but who could take that seriously - especially with its Sugar OS? Asus was an earthquake. If Palm had heard of anything beforehand, it was most likely the puny Celio Redfly.

>>>Or you could just follow Mike Cane's and start to a new blog every year from the perspective of a transient madman ranting about the approaching End Times.

If I do another blog next year, it will lack Doom. Because the entire frikkin country - nay, planet - will be gripped in Doom. I don't follow the crowd.

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
SeldomVisitor @ 12/16/2008 5:44:36 AM # Q
Contemporary to the intro of the Fooleo, I distinctly remember commentary by someone(s) about how Palm knew small laptops were coming from the competition and HAD to intro the Fooleo when they did.

[unfortunately, I can't supply a link since my memory is way hazy about the context of said commentary]

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
BaalthazaaR @ 12/16/2008 6:42:09 AM # Q
Palm & Sprint have already been in bed together for some time. I've said for years that Sprint needs to go ahead and cut their losses and jettison the antiquated iDen network and really bet the farm on WiMax.

Didn't Sprint sell their WiMax network to Clearwire. There is no more Xohm, it is now Clear (how do you do the TM mark?).

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary t
mikecane @ 12/16/2008 7:46:52 AM # Q
>>>Palm knew small laptops were coming from the competition and HAD to intro the Fooleo when they did.

The Redfly, eejit. Not "small laptops." It was the Redfly. NO ONE saw Asus coming.

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary t
mikecane @ 12/16/2008 7:56:35 AM # Q
To drill it in your little heads: How the hell could anyone in the U.S. get wind of a major move from an ASIAN company? They do their own manufacturing, own R&D. Not even MICROSOFT knew, because Asus was introducing it with LINUX.

OTOH, Celio went around for VC money and people *talked*.

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
Gekko @ 12/16/2008 8:35:44 AM # Q

CEOs get paid to "see things coming." regardless, it's all academic at this point.

mike, please stick with pop culture and fiction. technology and economics are not your areas of expertise.

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
AdamaDBrown @ 12/16/2008 10:45:36 AM # Q
BaalthazaaR, Sprint merged their WiMAX division with Clearwire, but it's still majority controlled by Sprint, since they own 51% of the stock.

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary t
mikecane @ 12/16/2008 2:33:03 PM # Q
>>>technology and economics are not your areas of expertise.

Spoken by a guy driving a Herdmobile and running his life with a kiddie cellphone.

Next!

RE: Not to be snarky, but they said the Foleo was revolutionary too.
Gekko @ 10/10/2010 1:35:25 PM # Q
>I am absolutely stunned at how "viable" netbooks and that whole formfactor/ecosystem is. Whether Linux or XP (and if XP's "accidental" resurrection in scaled down netbook hardware wasn't a blessing to MS, I don't know what is). I've always liked Asus but I never figured them to be the ones to invent/popularize an entire new market.
I totally see your point about CF & SD. But I love the fact that after just a year or so, there's already a handful of different netbooks (almost) for every need. We just need faster Atom CPUs and a MUCH better mobile chipset from Intel. If ANYONE ends up smothering the netbook market's chance of long-term viability, it's going to be Intel being lazy/complacent/greedy/arrogant. The current Atom + 945GSE combination is underpowered garbage, Via's Nano isn't going to bring anything worthwhile to the table, and AMD has much bigger problems at the moment to contend with and aren't interested in netbooks anyway. This is a HUGE opportunity for Nvidia. They need to stop fiddling around with the declining $600 video cards sector and really go after the embedded market ASAP! The Asus N10J was a tantilizing taste of what could be possible if someone would go ahead and do it right and do it cheap(er)!


iPad, Tablets Cannibalizing Laptop, Netbook Sales
Brennon Slattery, PCWorldOct 6, 2010 11:11 am

Laptop sales are decreasing, and it looks like the iPad is to blame. It's well known that the iPad has essentially destroyed the netbook, plummeting its sales into the negative, but now tablets are eating away at higher-end and less-portable laptop sales.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/207078/ipad_tablets_cannibalizing_laptop_netbook_sales.html?tk=hp_new

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I hope it's good

Gekko @ 12/15/2008 11:19:48 AM # Q

i truly hope it's good. give me a modern, fast, stable, pretty, shiny new OS/GUI with improved, slicker yet classic Palm PIM apps and a killer internet browser on modern hardware and i'll buy one. i want a big display 480x480 minimum but i still want a real thumboard.

i'm on Sprint so if history is a guide, we'll get it first!

RE: I hope it's good
Gekko @ 10/10/2010 1:38:19 PM # Q

awww..........how cute...........all i wanted back then was 480x480.

EVO is 4.3-inch LCD and 480x800.


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It's about time...

ZireGuy31 @ 12/15/2008 12:11:10 PM # Q
It has taken to long, but it's coming! YES!
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Willing to give them the benefit of the doubt....

hgoldner @ 12/15/2008 12:25:31 PM # Q
The 'year in the desert' as referred to by some bloggers (Treocentral) is almost over. Those of us here have been mostly ardent fans of Palm's products going way back. The original Palm was a major departure at a time when few others were doing anything like it, and later products, the IIIx, the Vx, the m515 and the Tungstens were way ahead of the competition.

The fact that Garnet has survived for 10 years with a cadre of supporters (albeit frustrated and shrinking) cannot be simply ignored.

Yeah, it's been a rough year, and the company is in 'go for broke' mode, but I, for one, am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that Nova and the planned devices will be a major departure that returns Palm to competitiveness.

And you all can call me a fanboy and polyanna if I'm wrong, but we all have to wait a few weeks yet.

Harold


RE: Willing to give them the benefit of the doubt....
hkklife @ 12/15/2008 12:53:04 PM # Q
10 years? Garnet? It's old but it ain't THAT old.
The first OS 5 device was the Tungsten T, released in October 2002.
10 years ago at this time we had the Palm III & the Palm VII.

That said, 6+ years out of Garnet (and the unlikely but still possible chance that Palm may yet have a final Garnet-based Centro refresh on tap for '09) with all of its various flaws and shortcomings is indeed amazing.

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

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Way Ting

analogue wings @ 12/15/2008 12:30:50 PM # Q
You're kidding, right?

"Among them are Jeff Devine, a top operations executive with Nokia (NOK), and Way Ting, an operating system guru from Silicon Graphics (SGIC)."

in the same paragraph as

"the company has earned a reputation for missing deadlines"


IIIc -> M105 -> Zire 21 -> Tungsten T2 -> Treo 650

RE: Way Ting
mikecane @ 12/15/2008 1:07:58 PM # Q
The Nokia guy probably does hardware component buys. God knows they know crap about UIs!

Sun? Eh. Tie-in with JavaFX, I bet.

RE: Way Ting
Gekko @ 12/15/2008 1:09:34 PM # Q

don't forget the CFO, Sum Yung Boy.

RE: Way Ting
PacManFoo @ 12/15/2008 3:54:42 PM # Q
Has Ed taken a personal interest in Sum Yung Boy?

The last known classic PDA user.
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Palm 'pint's' its hope on Nova

vetdoctor @ 12/15/2008 1:54:05 PM # Q
Maybe a pint or two of Guiness and I would feel better about Nova too!
RE: Palm 'pint's' its hope on Nova
Gekko @ 12/15/2008 1:59:22 PM # Q

i love the Guinness!

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Palm: Revenge Of The Nerdi

mikecane @ 12/15/2008 4:51:28 PM # Q
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Day late and a dollar short. Nobody wants a Palm.

Tuckermaclain @ 12/16/2008 11:38:48 AM # Q
Who is Palm? They make those cheap little toy-looking Centro thingies that you can get for free. That pretty much sums up what they are today. Nova is going to fizzle just because Palm is launching it. Nobody will pay top dollar for a new OS from Palm. Just as nobody will buy a $80K luxury car from Kia (no disrespect to Kia intended.) If Nova is decent and Apple launched it sales would go to the moon. Palm is merely a name to be put onto a generic device-like Magnavox, Curtis Mathis, and Craig. Their Palm-branded junk will be sold cheaply as doorbusters at Wal-Mart and Best-Buy to get people to look at the new profitable brands people want. So sad. Nova doomed before it is launched.

RE: Day late and a dollar short. Nobody wants a Palm.
mikecane @ 12/16/2008 2:38:27 PM # Q
They can come back with the right OS and right software.

There are still gaps to be plugged in the tech continuum with the right h/s combo.

RE: Day late and a dollar short. Nobody wants a Palm.
Maxfli82 @ 12/16/2008 2:55:30 PM # Q
Nobody wants a palm? That's why they sold over 2 million of the centros already and it's in the top 5 selling smartphones right now.
Palm has a huge product selection from "cheap" centros to high-end Treo Pros. There is something for everybody and mostly for people who aren't into trends and looks.

RE: Day late and a dollar short. Nobody wants a Palm.
mikecane @ 12/16/2008 3:53:52 PM # Q
>>>and mostly for people who aren't into trends and looks.

Or, in the case of Centro, people who can't afford anything better.

*looks at Gekko*

RE: Day late and a dollar short. Nobody wants a Palm.
Gekko @ 12/16/2008 4:10:04 PM # Q

the centro is better than the treo. look at the specs, size, form factor, and the price.

RE: Day late and a dollar short. Nobody wants a Palm.
mikecane @ 12/16/2008 5:50:02 PM # Q
Do you wear a monocle to read the teeny-weeny screeny?

RE: Day late and a dollar short. Nobody wants a Palm.
nastebu @ 12/16/2008 6:20:53 PM # Q
>>There is something for everybody and mostly for people who aren't into trends and looks.

This is not a market to be cherished.

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Ed Colligan does Manic Dance

mikecane @ 12/16/2008 2:36:20 PM # Q
Holy cow. NO Steve Jobs keynote at MacWorld Expo.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081216/tec_apple_jobs.html

1) NO big Apple product intro

2) PALM will have the January announcement limelight

Now, if Palm manages to screw up a Gift From God opportunity like *that* - pffft!

Apple's Marketing Blunder Of 2009
mikecane @ 12/16/2008 3:52:21 PM # Q
RE: Ed Colligan does Manic Dance
Gekko @ 12/16/2008 4:08:36 PM # Q

maybe he's sick. or maybe he'll make a surprise appearance.

RE: Ed Colligan does Manic Dance
nastebu @ 12/16/2008 6:56:28 PM # Q
Or maybe Apple just doesn't need the platform? Apple gets on the front page of the NYT every time they send out a press release.

RE: Ed Colligan does Manic Dance
mikecane @ 12/17/2008 6:04:51 AM # Q
Yeah, Apple has a network of churches ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h stores for the flock to assemble in. But what they're NOT doing is piping in live video of these press events. At least one of the stores - Soho - in NYC has a theater where training is done. They could show the live events, dammit. They afterwards we could all confess our sins and take Communion - pull out our money and buy.

RE: Ed Colligan does Manic Dance
mikecane @ 12/19/2008 5:24:47 AM # Q
Hm. And I've been told by Someone Who Knows that Apple will be showing something ... um ... Different in January, despite the Missing Steveness.

Could be Game Over for Palm.

RE: Ed Colligan does Manic Dance
Gekko @ 12/19/2008 5:56:54 AM # Q

who knew the hipster community was so influential?

RE: Ed Colligan does Manic Dance
Gekko @ 12/19/2008 6:16:26 AM # Q
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Not another Nova

ibuntonjr @ 12/20/2008 4:36:26 PM # Q
I hope that the OS is not really going to be called Nova. Chevy made the same mistake of naming a car "Nova", which in Spanish sounds like "No va" which means no go or that it does not go. So, no Spanish speakers bought the car cause nobody wanted a car that did not go, so they didn't buy it.



RE: Not another Nova
nastebu @ 12/21/2008 10:58:15 AM # Q
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