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Edelwiess phoneAn Israeli firm has announced what could very well become the first shipping smartphone running the Access Linux Platform. Dubbed the Edelweiss, the GSM phone features an impressive list of features most notably a 3.5 inch 480 x 854 pixel touchscreen display.

If there are any ALP holdouts still out there, you're going to have to likely plan a trip to Russia in order to get your hands on one. At this point, the Edelweiss is only rumored to be launching in Russia later this month. The company has created a preview site for the phone, while mainly in Russian, it does list the specs in English and shows the device from all angles.

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Hm

mikecane @ 10/13/2008 12:50:43 PM # Q
Specs also mention "tilT' sensor, so accelerometer?

CODECs list WMV? WTF?

I don't see a stylus listed.

Too little, too late.

RE: Hm
hkklife @ 10/13/2008 1:11:32 PM # Q
Well, THIS certainly came outta nowhere! Why didn't Lefty warn us about it!?!

Palm should license this a version of this thing, restyle it to support an internal stylus, and sell it as the "Palm Touch" AKA TX replacement.
Then, hit the ground running next year with a refreshed model bearing WiMax support. Oh nevermind, Nokia's already got them beat in that department.

The UI does look quite lovely, to be honest.

WMV isn't a big deal to support. If it's a typo, then fine. If it's not, then that's certainly plausible as well. This ain't FrankenGarnet we're talking about. Had this news been dated 12 months earlier, it might've stood a fightin' chance.


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RE: Hm
vorlon @ 10/13/2008 1:42:30 PM # Q
> Too little, too late
What's missing, antigravity?

Like the big "Made In Japan" on the back.

RE: Hm
Gekko @ 10/13/2008 2:01:52 PM # Q
RE: Hm
vorlon @ 10/13/2008 2:06:03 PM # Q
Capacitive touchscreen (like iPhone), so no styluses.

RE: Hm
palmdoc88 @ 10/13/2008 4:26:42 PM # Q
If Agendus runs on this, I want one!
RE: Hm
LiveFaith @ 10/14/2008 7:06:32 PM # Q
Hey Mike. What is a WTF Codec?

** It is said to be based on five years of research and will be announced sometime in 2009. **

Sounds about like Palm OS Nova. This should take the world by storm. :-D

Pat Horne

RE: Hm
LiveFaith @ 10/14/2008 7:07:50 PM # Q
These are just PS images and not photos of actual devices. Are we supposed to be confident in anything that is affiliated with Palmsource and a tangible product?

Pat Horne
RE: Hm
Rastick @ 10/14/2008 10:01:06 PM # Q
Based on prior ALP "products", I'll believe it when I read an independent review.
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looks great

nastebu @ 10/13/2008 1:45:36 PM # Q
How hard is it to port third party programs over to this?

The UI looks excellent. I hope it gets some traction and comes to the US. It would at least interesting.

RE: looks great
Gekko @ 10/13/2008 2:02:47 PM # Q

the cobalt photoshop looked good too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aBByl9ZY4g

RE: looks great
AdamaDBrown @ 10/13/2008 3:29:58 PM # Q
Port them from what? If you mean from Garnet, it depends on whether this device has Ghost implemented.

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Questions for Lefty or anyone else familiar with GHOST

hkklife @ 10/13/2008 5:07:37 PM # Q
1. How will this thing translate calls for hard/app buttons from legacy POS apps? I assume all of those pixels will be used for some kind of onscreen buttons.

2. " " stylus input/Graffiti strokes? Will there be an onscreen DIA that pops up so you can try to scrawl Graffiti characters with a fingertip?

3. How about removable storage? This thing looks to have borrowed a bit too heavily from Apple's playbook (no removable storage, no stylus, no hard buttons). Can a <4GB chunk of the internal storage be allocated to be seen by legacy POS apps as an external storage volume?

4. Is there going to be any kind of "ALP Desktop" for Windows/Mac and, if so, is any provision made for importing users' legacy Palm OS PIM data?



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'Edelwies'

dukat @ 10/14/2008 2:11:38 AM # Q
Change the title, please :-)

Btw, it's a German word.

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RE: 'Edelwies'
cstamper @ 10/14/2008 6:10:19 AM # Q
At least it's German and not Russian... ;-)

Guys, the W is pronounced almost like a english V. Okay?

RE: 'Edelwies'
fierywater @ 10/14/2008 6:28:56 AM # Q
I would agree, except for the fact that the product website spells it Edelweiss. Can't really argue there, even if the company misspelled the word in question. :)

RE: 'Edelwies'
DarthRepublican @ 10/14/2008 9:44:03 PM # Q
But they've already written the jingle and made a commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLVIICWRbjM

Screw convergence
Palm III->Visor Deluxe->Visor Platinum->Visor Prism->Tungsten E->Palm LifeDrive->Palm TX
Visor Pro+VisorPhone->Treo 180g->Treo 270->Treo 600->Treo 680
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RE: 'Edelwies'
cstamper @ 10/22/2008 5:41:45 AM # Q
"I would agree, except for the fact that the product website spells it Edelweiss. Can't really argue there, even if the company misspelled the word in question. :)"

In German, the written 'w' is pronounced as the english 'V'. It's spelled correctly, afaik.

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PalmOS?

swieder @ 10/14/2008 8:18:05 AM # Q
Does ALP have a compatibility mode to support PalmOS applications?

RE: PalmOS?
AdamaDBrown @ 10/14/2008 9:03:21 AM # Q
That depends on whether or not they've implemented "Ghost," or Garnet Host, on this device. It's an optional component on ALP, up to the manufacturer whether they use it or not. We don't know if it's included on this.

RE: PalmOS?
palmdoc88 @ 10/14/2008 5:01:38 PM # Q
They'd be stupid not to include the compatibility layer.

http://palmdoc.net
RE: PalmOS?
LiveFaith @ 10/14/2008 7:14:17 PM # Q
** They'd be stupid **

Doesn't Ryan's piece say that it does. Or is that just conjecture?

Pat Horne

RE: PalmOS?
AdamaDBrown @ 10/15/2008 1:11:27 PM # Q
He mentions that ALP includes compatibility, but I don't think anyone knows anything for sure about this device. I know that Access was talking for awhile about Ghost being a removable component if a manufacturer didn't want it, so I just assume that it's an open question until confirmed by them.

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Poor Unemployed Lefty!

mikecane @ 10/15/2008 7:58:36 AM # Q
Obviously he's unemployed. And knows nothing more about ACCESS and ALP. Because he never came here to gloat and/or answer questions about this niche - and possibly even phantom - product.

Meanwhile, the delusional SOB comes over to my blog for a smackdown:
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/to-the-unemployed-banned-psychopath/

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
twrock @ 10/15/2008 8:44:23 PM # Q
You banned him? What's with that? I never dreamed you'd take the wimpy way out.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
Gekko @ 10/15/2008 9:35:46 PM # Q

don't kick the guy when he's down. karma is a bitch.

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
akalefty @ 10/15/2008 10:16:23 PM # Q
Poor, pathetic, dopey Mikey continues to lack the slightest clue regarding the drivel that spills from his festering gob. Honi soit qui mal y pense, Cane't.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm still quite gainfully and happily employed here at ACCESS, of course. In Singapore last week, in Tokyo this week, in London the week after next, over 130,000 miles worth so far this year. I'm presenting at AJAXWorld this coming Monday in San Francisco, as it happens. Busy, busy. (Can Mikey claim as much...? He's still drooling on other people's equipment, last I heard, evidently not solvent enough to be able to afford any of his own...)

In particular, I'm too busy to waste very much time here listening to the incessant whining and vituperation, much less responding to it. Couldn't resist poking at Mikey over the continuing lack of his imaginary but coming-from-Apple-any-day-now-for-the-past-year-or-so iMacPodBookTouch "Air", though. 馬;鹿;に;つ;け;る;薬;は;な;い;。;Some things never change...

Okay, so I have a low sense of humor. But you knew that.

As for the rest, "We don't comment on the unannounced or unreleased products of our customers and licensees." Deal with it. Go ask them about it if you like.

(And, yeah, twrock, you're exactly right: Mikey tries-to the best of his very limited abilities-to dish it out, but he hasn't got the slightest capacity for taking any in return...)

See ya, kids! Fight nice!


RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
SeldomVisitor @ 10/16/2008 4:38:13 AM # Q
> ..."We don't comment on the unannounced or unreleased products
> of our customers and licensees."...

Oh!

New policy!

> ...Deal with it....

We did! We did! There might have been a few comments about a Samsung uncommented-about unreleased product!

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
PacManFoo @ 10/16/2008 6:21:24 AM # Q
Aren't they pretty much all unreleased products from Access? The best Vaporware money can buy next to Palm.

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RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
vorlon @ 10/16/2008 7:29:25 AM # Q
London the week after next
Please tell me that there'll be an Edelweiss or some other ALP product to check out in LinuxExpoLive in London!

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
ardiri @ 10/16/2008 11:42:28 PM # Q
is mikecane still around? jebus. i thought the trolls had left the building.

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RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
mikecane @ 10/17/2008 8:41:24 AM # Q
Notice Leftoid's Comment was all about me. Not one bit about anything REAL from ACCESS Vaporware/FAIL, Inc.

Have a big glass of that melamined milk, willya, Lefty? It'll cure what ails ya: LIFE!

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
Gekko @ 10/17/2008 1:46:23 PM # Q

"The tides of health will soon turn on you and humility will be your crown of thorns." - jstar

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
Gekko @ 10/17/2008 1:59:25 PM # Q

lefty - we saw the ALP OS demo. it looked like ass. in fact, that might be a better name for it - Access "ASS OS". i like it.


RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
mikecane @ 10/17/2008 5:00:13 PM # Q
Asses OS has a better ring.

So, Edelweiss, the choice of phone for the Russian Oligarchy, huh?

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
CFreymarc @ 10/17/2008 5:21:37 PM # Q
Very interesting move. For those of you who have not been to Russia in the last twenty years, the place is long past food shortage lines and propaganda posters going along poorly maintained highways.

It is vibrant, energetic, full of money - not to mention some incredibility hot girls in discos! - and a very good place to introduce a phone like this. There are some parts of Moscow that would make Park Avenue look like a Wal-Mart! Apple has been hesitant to officially market the iPhone in Russia while it is estimated half of the jail-broken iPhones are in this country. This looks like it is aiming to fill the gap.

Overall a good and surprising move. This could become a "proving ground" for introducing ALP into other parts of the world. When it comes state-side, perhaps the "enhanced with Russian technology" could be in the promos with this being the first market.

Lefty, enjoy your trips there and just bring your own bottle to the discos and only take a taxi called from your hotel where the drive can call our your name without him asking for ID.

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
mikecane @ 10/19/2008 8:36:37 AM # Q
>>>There are some parts of Moscow that would make Park Avenue look like a Wal-Mart!

If their stock market keeps crashing, it'll go back to looking like Comrade Wal-Martski again.

RE: Poor ...
Rastick @ 10/19/2008 3:58:55 PM # Q
...Apple has been hesitant to officially market the iPhone in Russia...

Basically any country where the carrier wouldn't give a massive subsidy to the sales price of the iPhone. Russia, India and China are countries where mobile contracts aren't used and the user pays full price for the phone and that violates Apple's perceived market approach.

Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, Inane or Offensive comments may be edited/deleted.
If PIC aren't going to apply their own standards to mikecane's crap, why does anyone posting here need to be civilized or polite?

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
mikecane @ 10/20/2008 7:56:48 AM # Q
Oh boo hoo. Some eejit who just joined PIC this year is suddenly cognizant of its history and interactions between its veteran posters.

And he doesn't wike it.

Take your ball and go play with yourself. (Yes, that's a two-parter there.)

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
twrock @ 10/20/2008 1:46:11 PM # Q
Rastick, Cane is just a crotchety old man with a net connection and too much time to waste ("verteran [sic] poster", he calls it).

"Inflammatory, Inappropriate, ..., Inane or Offensive" describes 90% of his posts, so don't expect that is going to change any time soon. (I don't recall him posting anything illegal, but I might have missed something; he does make a lot of references to "pr0n", who knows....) Obviously no one here needs to be "civilized or polite," but some will appreciate it if you are.

And Mike, I still think you are a wimp for banning Lefty.


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(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
Gekko @ 10/20/2008 1:50:46 PM # Q

yeah - cane is harmless. just keep him away from animals and small children.



RE: Poor Unemployed Lefty!
mikecane @ 10/20/2008 3:26:50 PM # Q
Oh twrock, go stuff yourself, willya? Under Prat in dictionary, see tw's pic.

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Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone

mikecane @ 10/15/2008 4:46:12 PM # Q
WebIS - New Website Offers Early Glimpse of Pocket Informant For iPhone
http://www.geardiary.com/2008/10/15/webis-new-website-offers-early-glimpse-of-pocket-informant-for-iphone/

Go on, try to tell me those screens don't make you want to run out and get an iPhone NOW.

You can't.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
ypwandrews @ 10/16/2008 11:38:51 AM # Q
Having tried the BB version of PI, and having it almost bring my 8703e to a dead stop, I'm not too interested in any form of PI that isn't WM! That's just one reason why I don't want to run out and buy an iPhone.

Phil 1:21
1 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain
NIV

Phil 1:21
For to me, living is for Christ, and dying is even better. NLT

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
JackG @ 10/16/2008 12:44:41 PM # Q
Fe fi fo foy, I smell the words of an Apple fanboy. (a.k.a. Cane) I sure thought I was on Palminfocenter, not TUAW.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
hkklife @ 10/16/2008 1:18:41 PM # Q
They don't. If I MUST abandon POS, then I'll go to WM or BB (or, *ahem* ALP). I'll never frolick in Apple's (Walled) Garden of Earthly Delights.

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RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
palmdoc88 @ 10/16/2008 3:26:03 PM # Q
Hah! But a PIM without C&P is totally useless for me :P

http://palmdoc.net
RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/17/2008 8:45:03 AM # Q
Interesting responses.

Electroshock for you all!

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
Gekko @ 10/17/2008 1:52:45 PM # Q

I hate the Apple thing. It's a "cultural problem". More specifically, the turtlenecked, Steve Jobs, thumb-up-the-ass, liberal-with-too-much-money "cultural problem".

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/17/2008 4:58:49 PM # Q
>>>liberal-with-too-much-money

Oh, fascist/socialist with too much money is OK, tho?

Would you go for the Google phone?

Way-OT: RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
SeldomVisitor @ 10/18/2008 3:59:32 AM # Q
> ...Oh, fascist/socialist with too much money is OK, tho?...

I don't think Cindy McCain has been investigated enough...

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
abosco @ 10/18/2008 11:23:16 AM # Q
Dear God, Gekko, grow up. I was in the same boat as Cane back in the late '90's when I got tired of asking, "Is there a Mac version of that?" for every new software. But now, my next computer will be a Macbook Air that dual boots OS X and Vista. After being forced to use OS X in a few circumstances, and especially after buying an iPhone, I have begun to believe in the company mantra. I don't hang off of Jobs' nuts when he gives announcements, I just purely look at the products - and they're phenomenal.

So you can go ahead and continue subjecting yourself to outdated Palm devices, poor WM imitators, complicated Symbian phones, and frustrating Blackberries (although I love their email implementation), and I'll keep using my iPhone. The thing is almost perfect.

No need to wait for any other OS, fellas. It's already here - make the switch, trust me.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
freakout @ 10/18/2008 4:27:55 PM # Q
I hate the Apple thing. It's a "cultural problem". More specifically, the turtlenecked, Steve Jobs, thumb-up-the-ass, liberal-with-too-much-money "cultural problem".

Yep.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
Gekko @ 10/18/2008 5:29:35 PM # Q

yes, there a few things that i will absolutely never do -

1. vote democrat
2. drive a vw
3. go vegan
4. buy an apple product



RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
freakout @ 10/19/2008 5:33:29 AM # Q
Ugh. Vegans. Most pretentious goddamn lifestyle ever invented. Who do they think they're fooling, anyway? Like humans aren't animals themselves...

Tim
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RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
CFreymarc @ 10/19/2008 8:32:25 AM # Q
Gekko, I'm with you there. You just described about one third of Apple employees. That is one reason why I never took any job offer from that place. It fells like a high school to me. FYI, there is talk Lord Steve turned down a reality TV show pitch to be done in the Cupertino campus.
RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/19/2008 8:34:48 AM # Q
>>>yes, there a few things that i will absolutely never do -

You left (pardon the expression!) one out:

5) Think for myself

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
Gekko @ 10/19/2008 10:39:10 AM # Q

i do think for myself. hence, i'm not a member of the apple cult.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
abosco @ 10/19/2008 10:57:06 AM # Q
I couldn't ever vote for a liberal or go vegan, but what is wrong with VW? Sure BMW is better in every aspect, but something like that wouldn't bar me from EVER buying one. Explanation?

And dear God, use an iPhone and get back to me on number four.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
hkklife @ 10/19/2008 12:10:53 PM # Q
I drive a Passat 4Motion Wagon and have found it to be an absolutely phenomenal car in nearly all aspects. It's had a few reliability quirks but I expected that going into the experience. I'd certainly take a VW anyday over being one of the "me too" Camry/Accord masses. VW products bring considerable German engineering, safety and decent perfort without the perceived cachet or pricetag of the "OTHER" German brands.

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RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
freakout @ 10/19/2008 5:19:19 PM # Q
I'd certainly take a VW anyday over being one of the "me too" Camry/Accord masses

Oi! Ain't nothin' wrong with the Accord. Honda are the Japanese BMW, you know. :P

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/20/2008 7:59:19 AM # Q
Gekko drives a rental Lexus. The "luxury" car of teh herrrd.

Now you anna, talk cars, how about that Smart Car!
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/smart-car-end-week-micro-pr0n/

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
Gekko @ 10/20/2008 10:30:57 AM # Q

you ain't gonna look very smart in that "smart car" when you're in a high speed collision - which statistically, is a high probability. there is a delicate balance between safety and efficiency. while i don't advocate driving a hummer, i don't advocate driving a tin can death trap either. i like a little space and metal between me and colliding high speed objects.


RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
Gekko @ 10/20/2008 10:32:27 AM # Q

p.s. why does every schmo and their brother feel the need to have a blog? how presumptuous to think that the world gives a shit about what you have to say.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
twrock @ 10/20/2008 1:23:07 PM # Q
>>why does every schmo and their brother feel the need to have a blog?

I guessing it has something to do with not actually having anything to contribute in the real world. YMMV.


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/20/2008 3:28:11 PM # Q
>>>p.s. why does every schmo and their brother feel the need to have a blog? how presumptuous to think that the world gives a shit about what you have to say.

And yet you make it a point to come and Comment several times, Gekko.

As for twr, go back to skinning dogs for restaurants.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
nastebu @ 10/20/2008 5:31:28 PM # Q
Well, I
1.) Have never voted for a Republican (I came close to voting for Bloomberg, but I skipped the election instead)
2.) don't have a driver's license so don't even own a car
3.) am vegetarian
4.) am an apple user

So I suppose I'm the poster child for whatever Gekko's railing against. But I have to admit that I don't see any connection between Apple usage and the other things on the list. Lots of conservatives use Macs, lots of lefty types use PCs. And I can't imagine why Steve Jobs's choice in fashion statements would affect my computer buying choices. Does one not buy Microsoft because of Bill Gates's choice of charitable contributions? If you avoid Apple because you don't like the image, aren't you the one who's a slave to fashion.

And I'm still not clear why people don't like the iPhone's PIM functions. Add a third party todo program and they leave Palm's in the dust.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
freakout @ 10/21/2008 12:38:46 AM # Q
If you avoid Apple because you don't like the image, aren't you the one who's a slave to fashion.

It's a good point, that. Made me stop and think about my anti-Apple tendencies for a moment. In the end, though, I can't escape the fact that nearly everything about Apple's approach bugs the shit outta me on a purely visceral level.

It's a reaction, I think, to the overarching message that permeates all things Apple: the message that says "Apple is better than you. Cooler than you. You don't want to be uncool. Do you?"

The rebuttal in my head usually goes something like this: "Well **** you, Apple. I like PCs and I like mice with buttons and I like phones with keypads. More to the point, I don't like you. So bugger off with your completely baseless sense of self-satisfaction and go model some turtlenecks or something."

The thing about allergies is that you have no control over them. I find myself highly allergic to Apple. Maybe it's the Jobs RDF?

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/21/2008 10:49:43 AM # Q
See, my hypothesis is that this is due to childhood trauma.

You are all so young that your first experience of computing was probably Microsoft-centric in nature.

Now, if you'd grown up during the wild and woolly days of Cromemco, Apple (II days), Commodore, Atari, et al, you'd have a broader outlook on keyboard life!

Of course, this doesn't explain Gekko. Rush Limbaugh could come to his home and GIFT him with everydamnedthing that has an Apple logo on it (Fat Boy uses Apple) - and Gekko would STILL wind up giving to the Salvation Army or Air America or something.

Oh, Gekko. I heard a rumor: *Apple* designed the Lexus!

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
Gekko @ 10/21/2008 11:00:46 AM # Q

my first computer was a C-64!

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
BaalthazaaR @ 10/21/2008 11:04:01 AM # Q
I think the point is Apple used to have something worthwile back then. Now however it is just marketing and that mac dude. There is nothing technically compelling about Apple. And I'm not advocating MacroShaft either.
RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
AdamaDBrown @ 10/21/2008 12:15:29 PM # Q
my first computer was a C-64!

Same here.

Mind you, it was older than I was at the time, but... :D

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
nastebu @ 10/21/2008 2:40:41 PM # Q
My first computer was a TI 99/4. My father bought three of them when they stopped making them because they went down to fire sale prices and he thought personal computers were a passing phase.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/21/2008 2:57:04 PM # Q
Where did you go wrong, Gekko, if you began with a C=64?! Geez, the C=64 was for people who couldn't afford Apples!

And you never answered my damn question: Would you ever get a Google phone?!

Anyone here thinking of that G1?

Perhaps ACCESS will release the Garnet emulator for *that*. Or StyleTap will create a version for it.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/21/2008 2:58:10 PM # Q
>>>There is nothing technically compelling about Apple.

But ... but ... they're so pretty!!

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
Gekko @ 10/21/2008 3:12:36 PM # Q

1. i did not grow up with a silver spoon in my mouth. far from it, actually. anything i have today i earned.
2. Google phone? i'm not against it, but i won't be a beta tester.
3. the palm centro works for me right now. it may not be fancy or pretty but it's comfortable, familiar, reliable, inexpensive, and it gets the job done. i have neither the time, luxury, or inclination to beta test another new platform at this time.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
SeldomVisitor @ 10/21/2008 4:22:02 PM # Q
My first computer was a home-built 4MHz z80-based rocket with 4Kbytes of static ram using a self-written-and-burned PROM-based "bios" that allowed one to type octal code (3 digits per byte) across an RS232 serial link (!) and have it loaded into said ram ready to run as soon as told the bios "go".

A =very= learning experience.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
SeldomVisitor @ 10/21/2008 4:35:16 PM # Q
Speaking of home-built computers - with the release of the Android source code there's no excuse anymore for Palm not to make their end-of-year deadline for the introduction of Nova!

Giggle.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
freakout @ 10/21/2008 11:34:25 PM # Q
My first computer was a 286 PC. My seventh birthday present. It was replaced with a 386 a few months later after I decided to try taking it apart like I'd seen Dad do. When I put it back together, it wouldn't boot. (And never would again.)

I still remember the bug-eyed look of rage on his face when he found out. Good times, good times...

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
twrock @ 10/22/2008 6:01:22 AM # Q
The first computer in our house was a Z80 based machine, although it was technically my brother's, not mine. I couldn't afford my own computer until much later. Needing something to write my master's thesis on, I got a clone of a Compaq "portable" (7" monochrome screen, two 360k floppies, all in a supposedly portable case that was larger and heavier than most boxed sewing machines). The thesis had to be divided between two disks to fit. And Bill Gates was right; 640k of memory was enough for anyone.

My first Palm had far more computing power, memory/storage, and higher screen resolution (and color!).


"twrock is infamous around these parts"
(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/22/2008 12:50:12 PM # Q
I wonder if anyone will try to cram Android onto a PalmOS. It'd probably improve my LifeDrive!!

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
mikecane @ 10/22/2008 12:53:06 PM # Q
Hmmm ... insert missing three letters back there: PDA.

RE: Palm's Death: PIM comes to iPhone
SeldomVisitor @ 10/22/2008 1:16:53 PM # Q
> I wonder if anyone will try to cram Android onto a PalmOS PDA...

- http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/7380/#145713

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Apple Sells 10M iPhones

mikecane @ 10/21/2008 3:59:39 PM # Q
RE: Apple Sells 10M iPhones
SeldomVisitor @ 10/21/2008 4:17:54 PM # Q
"PC guys are not gonna just walk in and make a phone..."

Giggle.

RE: Apple Sells 10M iPhones
mikecane @ 10/22/2008 12:51:59 PM # Q
You just know that when you bring up that quote, i will attach the link:

http://tinyurl.com/2unon7

For Documentation Purposes Only, you understand.

guffaw

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Samsung...samsung...samsung...didn't they cancel an ALP phone?

SeldomVisitor @ 2/17/2009 4:50:05 PM # Q
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