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PalmInfocenter member Derek Kessler (aka PIC's Captain Hair) submitted a interesting article that delves into the recent hacks and modifications created to fix or circumvent some of Treo 650's current limitations. A great amount of help, graphics and editing was further provided by Kent at PocketFactory.com.
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So he has a real name?

mikecane @ 12/30/2004 6:42:57 PM #
Now that wasn't very painful, was it?

RE: So he has a real name?
Captain Hair @ 12/30/2004 6:52:49 PM #
Hey, you could've asked. But that wouldn't have been as much fun, now would it?

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."
RE: So he has a real name?
mikecane @ 12/30/2004 6:54:46 PM #
You could have used it from the start. Don't blame me.

RE: So he has a real name?
Captain Hair @ 12/30/2004 6:58:27 PM #
I'm not blaming you. Nor am I trying to protect my identity. I'd probably be Derek Kessler here if it wasn't for Drew Carey's 'Who's Line Is It Anyway?' and Colin Mochery and the Superheroes skit. Something about a bald Canadian playing Captain Hair, Superhero, just cracks me up, even if it is something like three years later.

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."
RE: So he has a real name?
abosco @ 12/30/2004 10:35:24 PM #
I like Foo's name, too. "The Kent at Pocketfactory"

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T637
RE: So he has a real name?
Foo Fighter @ 12/31/2004 12:13:27 AM #
Ryan was afraid someone might confuse me with the Kent at Palmfactory.com. That happens all the time.

At least I'm not just any old Kent, I'm the Kent. The one and only. All others are cheap facsimiles. Copyright infringers.

-------------------------------
Editor, http://Pocketfactory.com
Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com

RE: So he has a real name?
Admin @ 12/31/2004 1:05:51 AM #
haha, that was a good typo. Your 15 minutes are over, back to normal Kent.
RE: So he has a real name?
Captain Hair @ 12/31/2004 1:18:50 AM #
Well, that's no fun. I liked The Kent.

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."

Pig

Gekko @ 12/30/2004 6:48:59 PM #

You can't make a pig fly.


RE: Pig
Captain Hair @ 12/30/2004 6:52:15 PM #
Gekko, give the Treo 650 some time to mature. And pa1mOne as well.

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."
RE: Pig
Gekko @ 12/30/2004 6:53:30 PM #

Time is not a luxury that Palm has. The MSFT waves are getting bigger and the big tsunami is coming - and Nagel and Company are frolicking on the beach - oblivious to it all.



RE: Pig
Captain Hair @ 12/30/2004 7:08:51 PM #
Dude, that was not a cool analogy.

Anyway, there's just one thing that I think pa1mOne could do to help save themselves, offer a <$300 Treo. And make it cool. Can you imagine what that would do to bolster their sales/marketshare?
I suppose I could make broad statements as well: They must innovate again. The TT was a landmark device for Palm, practically their rennaisance, but since Sony withdrew from the USA PDA market, pa1mOne was left with no competition (Palm OS), so thus no need to innovate. Unfortuantely, now the WM2003 crowd has encroached into Palm territory, ie being emminently more cool hardware-wise, and I hope that pa1mOne is going to wake back up.

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."

Pigs may fly someday
Admin @ 12/30/2004 7:24:32 PM #
I have a sprint review unit Treo 650. I like it a lot so far, but it does have some obvious shortcomings. However, overall it is a killer device and mostly a pleasure to use. AIS, stay tuned for the review, if it wasn't for CES coming up I may have it done sooner.

PS - Gekko is your PDA memory half empty or half full :P

-Ryan

RE: Pig
icesalmon1 @ 12/30/2004 9:20:04 PM #
what's wrong with gekko? Is he paid by Msft to post those comments?
This is another typical post by him.
RE: Pig
LiveFaith @ 12/30/2004 11:09:35 PM #
You may be joking about MSFT, but this happens all the time. Especially on investment / stock boards. The strategy is to constantly and totally tear down, slander and destroy credibility at any and all points. Any sane person can tell it's slanted, but psycologically the seeds of doubt are planted, truth is at least diluted and hopefully the competition or the short-seller, as the case may be, helps "move the market of opinion".
Sounds like a pretty fulfilling career when ones life is over. :-(

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Pig
treo007 @ 12/30/2004 11:13:21 PM #
Speaking of Pigs...hey Gekko, nice analogy. There are 117,000+ people, their families, and the rest of the sane world that probably don't think it was so clever though. Get some class, pal.

RE: Pig
Captain Hair @ 12/30/2004 11:45:02 PM #
>You may be joking about MSFT, but this happens all the time. Especially on investment / stock boards. The strategy is to constantly and totally tear down, slander and destroy credibility at any and all points. Any sane person can tell it's slanted, but psycologically the seeds of doubt are planted, truth is at least diluted and hopefully the competition or the short-seller, as the case may be, helps "move the market of opinion".

Yeah, this stuff drives me nuts. There are several ways I deal with this kind of crap.
1) Research elsewhere
2) Take it in stride
3) Make snide comments (a favorite of mine)
4) Read the slant, process it, reguritate, and push the back button.
Don't let the fanatics get in your way! I'm a fan, not a fanatic, so you can let me get in the way. ;) Seriously, though, each handheld OS has its benefits (Palm, WM2003, BB, Symbian), and I'll admit that. But I'll still beat you until you're bleeding Palm. I'm simple that way...

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."

RE: Pig
rsc1000 @ 12/31/2004 1:30:04 AM #
gekko is an tedious troll. Guess what? You are not telling us anything new and although most of us here have plenty of complaints with palmsource and palm1 - your insistance on trolling around PIC so that you can jump in and take up % 40 of all posts with redundant negativity the second any story comes outb is just so predictably lame.

Manic Street Preachers - Tsunami (song)
Admin @ 12/31/2004 11:30:35 AM #
I'd wager more animals, pigs and "wild beasts" survived the waves than did humans... check out the 6th sense article on the homepage notable links.

Please think of those that are suffering, and will continue to do so. It is not a matter to joke about.

-Ryan

RE: Pig
jasondeno @ 12/31/2004 4:01:57 PM #
-give the Treo 650 some time to mature. And pa1mOne as well.-

How much time do we have to give Palm to mature? Just curious. I mean when did the first Palm Pilot come out? Wasn't it something like 1996?

We keep talking about them like they need some growing time to get it right. No. They've been in business long enough and have been consistently loosing their market share. Giving them time is obviously not the answer.

I love my Treo 650, but you gotta wonder where this company is headed. I feel like they're heading to get bumped out of the main stream and into the realm of an eccentric few. Like the group who still likes toying with my old TI 99/4a. Fun, but not a viable business. And all by Palm's own hand.

I hope I'm wrong.

RE: Pig
TTrules @ 1/1/2005 1:03:04 AM #
Gekko is so rediculous. Making fun of thousands of people that got killed. Someone needs to block him.

One Palm to rule them all!
RE: RE: Pig
Shadowwire @ 7/30/2007 1:45:03 PM #
Nice gekko.
Apparently some people take stupid things like "posts on a blog" too siriously.

Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

PalmOne's dishonesty

abosco @ 12/30/2004 10:42:39 PM #
It is understandable that as a business, they need to please who they are licensing their technology out to. But the simple fact is that PalmOne, over the past few years, has been lying to us a great deal. A little too much. 16 bit screens? Remember that? It was THIS forum that broke that story wide open. Now everybody's getting in on the game.

We should make a race. See how many people can successfully hack PDA's to make them better than the OEM can. I believe this fellow and his T650 are already in the lead, but "Deez" from Brighthand also has a few points to his name for the Toshiba VGA stuff. I'm sure there are a few hardcore Japanese coders that have done things only imaginable in dreams with their Clies. Control that robotic dog with the UX50's Wifi? What the hell? These men are braver than I, and all deserve some appreciation.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + T637

RE: PalmOne's dishonesty
Captain Hair @ 12/30/2004 11:51:02 PM #
You've just got to love these places. And I've only been here a year! I'm very proud to be part of the Palm community. Cheesy, I know, but the vast majority of the peoples I've encountered present an honest, open, agreeable facade and there are many many many [i]geniuses[/i] out there who do these wonderful things for the rest of us. We owe them all big time.

"People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are."

treo 650 / shadowmite

ardiri @ 12/31/2004 3:27:27 AM #
i own a GSM treo 650 - so, most of these patches/roms dont technically apply to myself; but, it should be noted that palmone has developed all the features one would normally want on the treo 650 itself; however, when marketing with carriers (who, provide the $$$) they have been asked to disable/remove specific features from the roms.

the fact that it is only a two byte patch doesn't surprise me.

the treo 650 also has the exact same kernel as the tungsten|t5, so, it also doesn't surprise me that the wifi drivers work by changing the device id/hal id checks in the application.

palmone could have released such drivers; but, are reluctant to due to limited quality assurance testing that has been done on all the products. of course, you do this at your own risk :)

i remember earlier versions of the ROWDY (rest of the world) rom image for the treo 650 had DUN support - however, the latest versions do not. this could also be disabled because of bugs. if you run into problems using the DUN patch, maybe it was disabled for a reason?

all in all - it should be clearly noted that these modifications should be used at your own risk. the plugged in program has had support for reflashing rom images way before the device was released (EVT and DVT units) - however, redistribution of these tools will be in violation of the plugged in program NDA; users make mistakes - and, palmone probably doesn't want to be responsible for them :)

---
Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php

RE: treo 650 / shadowmite
Foo Fighter @ 1/1/2005 8:53:42 AM #
What? A GSM 650? DO TELL! Which carrier is your model based on? I'm desperately awaiting Cingular.

-------------------------------
Editor, http://Pocketfactory.com
Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com
RE: treo 650 / shadowmite
ardiri @ 1/3/2005 10:04:58 AM #
    What? A GSM 650? DO TELL! Which carrier is your model based on? I'm desperately awaiting Cingular.

no carrier :) ROWDY unit (rest of the world unit) - no simlocking.

---
Aaron Ardiri
PalmOS Certified Developer
aaron_ardiri@mobilewizardry.com
http://www.mobilewizardry.com/members/aaron_ardiri.php
RE: treo 650 / shadowmite
Vincent2005 @ 1/12/2005 5:32:33 AM #
???
pls let us know the way how to get treo 650 gsm version ! I am desperately waiting 4 it !

V

That is so cool.

Strider_mt2k @ 12/31/2004 9:06:21 AM #
This is the kind of stuff we need more of!

It's even making me look at the 650 in a new light.
(It is kinda cool looking...)

If the handheld manufacturers are going to not enable stuff with no other reason than so they can make more money, weeeelll they are just begging for folks to do this kind of stuff to 'em!

It's an interesting topic on it's own, but my main interest is the mods!

I know some foks are going to mess things up and ruin their units by trying these, but great results often happen from great risks taken.

You could also think of it as evolution in action.



Wheres the Sandisk WIFI card driver hack

Tamog @ 12/31/2004 2:13:57 PM #
I was always proud to be a member of the Palm community...
However, there is one thing that gioes on my nerves a little bit. The Tapwave Zodiac accesses both PalmOne and Sandisk WLAN SDIO cards with the SAME driver. There's only a hard-coded device ID string in the driver that makes all the difference. Can't one good hacker/cracker change that and get the SanDisk cards working? This would increase the platform's hardware support, and also make users and companies more adept to buy Palm powered stuff!
Just my 2 cents..

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: Wheres the Sandisk WIFI card driver hack
Admin @ 12/31/2004 2:18:43 PM #
I'd be willing to assume a lot of us folks would throw some change into that fountain :)

ps - great work on your blog Tamog

RE: Wheres the Sandisk WIFI card driver hack
Tamog @ 1/1/2005 4:54:55 PM #
Hi Admin,
thank you for the compliment!
I would definitely throw more than just my change into the fountain. I would sacrifice my time, body and my Tungsten T3 for it. Anyone provide me with the card, and I shall try my best! Will just be a 50byte-Patch if I am correct(device ID) I am even willing to return the card afterwards....
Tam Hanna

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Gekko @ 12/31/2004 6:05:11 PM #

Hey Mike - If you're so smart, why are you so poor?



RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
mikecane @ 12/31/2004 6:39:20 PM #
You rightists always drag out that INVERSION.

The proper question is: If you're so rich, why aren't you SMARTER?

Microsoft products.

p1's 32K Memos and 1K Clipboard.

TV.

Q.E.D.

RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
rcartwright @ 12/31/2004 7:17:57 PM #
Gekko said "Hey Mike - If you're so smart, why are you so poor?"

Two mindless comments in less than 24 hours, real slick.

"The Anglo-Saxon-Scots-Irish people are the most warlike people in history, and their enemies forget it at their peril. "

RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
mikecane @ 12/31/2004 7:31:13 PM #
Don't worry, there's a whole new year of such comments coming up! Quit while you're ahead.

RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
LiveFaith @ 1/1/2005 1:47:28 AM #
Hey Gekko. Was Mother Teresa smart or stupid?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Gekko @ 1/1/2005 8:44:01 AM #

MikeCon is no Mother Teresa.

Pass the plate, Reverend.



RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
mikecane @ 1/1/2005 10:42:42 AM #
It's no use trying to argue with Gekko on the basis of principles. He has none.

2005 will see the end of this website if this continues.
Strider_mt2k @ 1/1/2005 11:36:05 AM #
This is exactly the childish crap that has cost PIC so much cred. in the last year.

2005 will see the end of this website if this continues.



RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
mikecane @ 1/1/2005 4:32:32 PM #
Strider, please go suffocate yourself, you prig.

RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Tamog @ 1/1/2005 4:59:07 PM #
Hi crowd,
Can't you EVER stop bickering at each other. Mike gets bashed, and Gekko too.
Seems like an olr friendship here, but to no good of the Platform and the PIC. Either the two guys are paid by another portal, or they are just plain crazy IMHO.
If you want to stop a flame war, you don't participate. One must always do the first step! What about all of us making a ignore-all-nasty-comments round in 2005? PIC forum quality, etc will go up miles again!!
Just my 2 cents...
Tam

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
mikecane @ 1/1/2005 5:11:40 PM #
The thing is, some people are too dim To Get The Joke.

And that is THEIR moronic, stuffed-shirt, hard-backed problem.

RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Tamog @ 1/2/2005 5:45:37 AM #
Mike Cane,
sorry to say it in such a rough matter-you don't sem to get it either.
Finger-pointing and calling the other dim, smarta$$,etc won't help anyone! Ignoring is the key! If anyone writes junk(about you), just ignore it. Don't react.
Lets take this equasion:
If a user foo writes junk 3 times, and each time 10 users bash him, we have 33x junk in the hoard...
Just my 3 cents
Tam Hanna

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
What PIC *MUST* do to get it's cred back.
Strider_mt2k @ 1/2/2005 9:13:05 AM #
Tam,
You are absolutely right. It's not like these jokers haven't been told before.

This will continue for as long as it's allowed to continue by the folk(s) who run the place.
It appears to be just fine, so why try to buck it?

If Ryan is happy with this situation (and he appears to be) then I suppose he can deal with the results too. He's in charge, it's his sinking ship.

I, for one will be looking for my PalmOS news and info elswhere.

Lord knows PIC hasn't broken a real story since Ed Hardy left anyway.



RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Hal2000 @ 1/2/2005 9:56:31 AM #
Please explain to me why some of these posts are coming in at 5pm when its not even 10am yet on Jan. 1st.

Zodiac2/T616
2.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Hal2000 @ 1/2/2005 9:59:20 AM #
Um, Jan. 2nd. Sorry, (been wasted for 48 hours)

Zodiac2/T616
2.128 gigs under the hood.
RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Tamog @ 1/2/2005 11:24:00 AM #
Hi strider,
I think that you are doing Ryan great unjustice here. While the daily gadget rarely gets an update, this page updates more than my blog sometimes.
*** et al are stupid, but one cant make the PIC responsible for this.....
Censorship never is good, altough sometimes, it is neccecary!
Just my 2 cents(make me moderator and see what happens)
Have fun
Tam Hanna

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Gekko @ 1/2/2005 11:25:10 AM #

How about all you friggin babies stop all your biitching and moaning?



RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Frenchie @ 1/2/2005 11:45:51 AM #
You know a company isn't treating its customers right when they begin modding it to enable features that were not availible.



The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p

RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
TTrules @ 1/2/2005 5:28:56 PM #
Go Tamog! That's what we've been needing on this site. If we'd get rid of Gekko and all his inane comments, we'd be in good condition. Admin, you should think about it.

One Palm to rule them all!
RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Tamog @ 1/3/2005 6:56:04 AM #
Thank you TTrules for the compliment!
If I get a place offered, I am glad to take it... . However, nobody will be bashed. Just the background noise shall be reduced....
Best Regards
Tam Hanna

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
mikecane @ 1/3/2005 4:36:56 PM #
Gekko said: How about all you friggin babies stop all your biitching and moaning?

Yeah. What he said.

RE: What palmOne *MUST* do to survive
Tamog @ 1/4/2005 7:01:59 AM #
You know, there is an old german saying:
Gekko says a lot when the day is long....

To all others-Sorry, but I just had to throw that in for ths sake of it

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com

Memory

mopcodes @ 1/2/2005 3:07:02 PM #
Hello.

All this sounds really nice and all that, but there is still the problem of memory. Palm dropped the ball on this. It's the major thing holding me back from consolidating my T3 and Sprint PCS phone into a Treo 650. I'd really have liked to see more memory 64 mb or more built into the phone.

D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer

RE: Memory
joad @ 1/2/2005 4:36:38 PM #
Apparently you and I and everyone else that expected at least the memory of the Treo600 are just stupid- as PalmOne has clearly indicated that they will ship us a $5.00 128MB SD card that will fix the lacking internal memory of the $600 Treo 650. And here I am with a 1GB SD card, Powerrun, Tealalias, and Zlauncher on my 600 and still can't figure out how PalmOne thinks that the 33-40% less memory of the 650 is saved by their magical SD card...

Now let's get back to the topic at hand: personal attacks on all of our fellow Treo users!

RE: Memory
Frenchie @ 1/2/2005 9:32:31 PM #
look, let gekko and mikecain be. They have a right to be here and make comments if you are insulted or offended by them DON'T RESPOND. Think of them as spam or pop-ups. Personally i enjoy Gekko's and mike's argumentive and normally explosive selves.

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: Memory
joad @ 1/4/2005 4:21:24 AM #
I enjoy a little off-topicness and spewing attacks mixed in with actual relevent information. Kinda like dropping a few extra peppers into the broth, makes it interesting - spices it up. Just as long as it doesn't discourage other to contribute. When nearly a whole thread contains bickering back-and-forth about nothing relevent to the thread, then it's just a voyeristic waste of page views. Get the crabbing out in 2 or three posts, and then move on.

VoIP over Wi-fi on Palm

rogerrub @ 1/10/2005 1:08:25 PM #
The hacks mentioned in the article say they will allow VoIP using Palm's SDIO Wi-Fi card. Who makes VoIP software for the Palm OS? (I have a T3 and I'd love to use it as a VoIP phone from hotels with Wi-Fi in the room when traveling.)

Thanks.

Roger

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