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RE: Whoa
RE: Whoa
P1 can barely afford to fund new POS models 2x per year--it's insane to think they can undertake a new OS and maintain 3 distinct hardware lines (Palm PDAs, Palm Treos, PPC Treos).
Unless, of course, a buyer with deep pockets is waiting in the wings. I'd wager that this is a pre-production 650 mockup OR a one-off type of what a Dell Treo might have looked like.
I don't doubt that a Treo 670 or 700 will eventually be released, however. It just won't look like this angular unit.
RE: Whoa
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: Whoa
Unfortunately, given what's going on in the past between palmOne and PalmSource this is very believable.
*Sigh* Too stupid to live, too dumb to die...
RE: Whoa
RE: Whoa
1) I want a definate official source before I start taking any of this seriously - I've seen waaaay too many images on here for me to believe all of them: Tungsten E2 rumour and not to mention a particular member who has been posting piccies of Dell x50p's, T6's and Ti's, Pat....;)
2) Two Treos in one year? Eeven with two OSes, I'd find it hard to believe that they could put out two identical devices within a few months of each other.
3) The point about the specs is very well made - the hp6340 has ancient specs and got slaughtered in almost every review of it I've read.
What would be a nice thought is if this a true Treo 670, with the minor additions of extra memory and Wifi....
RE: Whoa
VOC, it's not just PalmOne. Everyone's losing confidence in PalmSource--licensees, investors, buyers. If this comes to pass, I would see it as PalmOne hedging their bets, so that in case PSRC goes down, PLMO isn't taken with them.
Rasty, the guy who provided the photo said that they ran on PocketPC.
RE: Whoa
I wouldn't take the specs too seriously yet. HTC has a notoriously modular engineering structure, and it wouldn't surprise me if they could dump another 32-96 MB of RAM in on a half-hour's notice.
What's with the odd serial numbers at the top?
My guess is that these are prototypes at best - this is no guarantee that they'll ever go into mass production. Look at the Samsung SGH-i530
RE: Whoa
Scenario #1 I don't think these pics are a hoax at all but it's also not a fully production-ready unit. Anyone remember the Dell "engineering sample" AMD-based desktops that are floated around every couple of years just to keep Intel in line pricing-wise? This could be something similar. P1's engineers cobbled together this in their spare time, fanned the rumor flames about PPC and-voila!-a perfect way to prod PalmSource into getting something decent out the door.
Scenario #2 Also, the more I think about it, this could just be a quickie refresh of the 650 with at least 2x the RAM and/or a few other small tweaks (possibly wi-fi?). The 650 could then drop $100 or $150 in price where people wouldn't have such high expectations of it. Existing Treo 600 stocks could then be blown out for <$300 while P1 scrambles to prepare a proper low-end entry level Treo for fall '05. P1 could go ahead with the square buttons and altered d-pad just to keep from having 3 identical looking units on the market.
I have to admit that if this was their first Win Mob unit, it'd have a nicer integration of the camera on the back. That thing looks so cheap and grafted on in comparison to the sleek integrated lens housings on other smart/cell phones out there. Of course, this IS P1 we're talking about...
This is how the world ends....
Unfortunately, given what's going on in the past between palmOne and PalmSource this is very believable.
*Sigh* Too stupid to live, too dumb to die...
First of all... nice name. My lawyers will be in touch with you on Monday.
Secondly, everything you said above is (unfortunately) true.
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Sprint PPC Treo 700
Unless, of course, a buyer with deep pockets is waiting in the wings.
What if, say, Sprint ponied up the seed money for 100,000 PPC Treos? No risk. No engineering effort. Guaranteed profit. Easy money. Just like the Fat Ba$tards at pa1mOne like it. So what if it destroys the platform? Thanks, pa1mOne! Lazy ba$tards.
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RE: Whoa
RE: Whoa
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Not PPC
There is a posibility it could run on Windows Mobile 2005 for Pocket PC as it will support soft keys.
HTC Magician
RE: Whoa
Pocket PC users can easily go back to the today screen (home) easily but in some softwares on PalmOS, it requires the user to press a button or shortcut to get back to the launcher.
HTC Magician
It's time
A Treo running WinMob? Do I Care? N.O.
Now someone point me to pics of that rumored "iBook mini" and my interest will perk up...
RE: It's time
~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
HTC can create such a device with almost ZERO effort - they already have the architecture and the parts are all off-the-shelf.
PalmSource's Cobalt debacle followed by the PalmLinux Hail Mary pass they're desperately attempting to complete has severely undermined PalmOS as a viable platform. Idiotic comments from pa1mOne execs haven't helped much, either.
When a pa1mOne Treo is released, it will tell the world that even Palm (pa1mOne) no longer believes in Palm (PalmSource). PalmSource stocks will likely tumble to below $5 and the company should be snapped up by a smart investor for less than 100 million $ or so. Only problem is that pa1mOne is like a guppy swimming with sharks in terms of cellphone hardware sellers. Sony Ericsson, Nokia, etc. are going to destroy pa1mOne. Quickly. Just take a look at the recent phones from those two companies (especially Sony Ericsson!).
Palm thought they were being clever by splitting into two companies. Made themselves millions $ of easy money. Greed is Good™. But divided, they are as weak and defenseless as a newborn kitten against the REAL predators in the jungle. Greed is Bad™.
THE END IS NEAR. Be afraid, children. Be very afraid.
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RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
Send your Creampie over. I need release and Creampie needs a creampie. Hope you enjoy eating sloppy seconds, CuckholdSteve.
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RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
This is a sad, sad day for PalmOne.
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
RELAX. This thing is ugly as sin in Treo terms. It looks like the design of one of those budding Chinese hardware makers that PSRC has licensed lately.
Nothing that we are sure about says that these FUTURE Treo devices. They very well could be NEW photos of OLD prototype TReo 650s that never made it b/c the elegant version won out. Someone in the styling department needs a good firing if they think this thing is going to go as an upgrade to the 650. It's just plain ugggy in comparison. My guess is that it was one of > 1 choice for the 650.
They are 2 colors and keyboard paint schemes indicating that they are the GSM & CDMA versions which have so far carried this scheme. It is easier for the security of the devices to be lost AFTER release than before it. I personally bought 3 pre-production T3s on eBAY several months after the T3 was on the market. After the in-house and out-house folks get done testing, evaluating and grading a pre-prod model, then it may not be controlled so well and moles more easily get the image online.
Nothing in the photos indicates WinMob. The hard-buttons are all indicative of a Palm OS model. They are identical to Palm OS functions. If this were a device being made for Dell or T-Mob etc, I would expect adjusted botton labels. One cannot be sure here,but it appears that way.
My question is "what is HTC" doing involved in design? Has P1 just walked away from that too in order to be a marketing company only? HTC is certainly capable, and Hawkins even said that he has had NOTHING to do with the 650. Handspring did all the 600 design in-house I thought. Did HTC do it all on the 650? Is this really some of their work on a "670"? I doubt they would use the same #ing schemes that P1 does in house on pre-prods.
Again, nothing in the photos indicate anything WinMob. Pics are real tho.
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Palm does not build/design hardware anymore
My question is "what is HTC" doing involved in design? Has P1 just walked away from that too in order to be a marketing company only? HTC is certainly capable, and Hawkins even said that he has had NOTHING to do with the 650. Handspring did all the 600 design in-house I thought. Did HTC do it all on the 650? Is this really some of their work on a "670"? I doubt they would use the same #ing schemes that P1 does in house on pre-prods.
Again, nothing in the photos indicate anything WinMob. Pics are real tho.
You poor Sinner Man. It would take HTC all of 69 seconds to create a custom keyboard for PPC devices. Get over it, already: a PPC Treo is A Done Deal. We'll see them this year whether you want to believe this or not. Believe in me, my son. Follow not the false prophets, for they are wicked and unjust. Trust thou His Voice. His Voice of Reason.
And Palm outsources EVERYTHING these days. Palm is now just a brand/marketing company. Companies typically go to production houses like HTC, tell them what kind of hardware they want and then sit back and let HTC do all the work.
The irony is that Palm's greedy decision to "split" into pa1mOne + PalmSource has produce two crippled, aimless companies that lack the vision to sustain the platform. 2005 will be remembered as the year the bottom fell out of the Palm Economy.
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RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
What do you mean? It looks almost identical to the current Treo 650. Having angled rectangular buttons over oval shapes makes it ugly as sin? Aren't we being just a wee bit captious?
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RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
Look at the dedicated phone buttons .... cheeeesy
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
Oh nooo Grasshopper. Wax on, wax off.
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
Time for someone to make another PalmSource licensee and do this right.
RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
THAT is where the $ are, my friends!
RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
PPC Treo Rumor
The question is: why would PalmSource aquire a Linux based company in hopes of new licensees, greater hardware versatility, and a greater development community; then PalmOne turn around a sell a device with Windows PPC?
First, it seems that PalmOne is going to screw PalmSource out of profit permanently, just so PalmOne can profit here and there by hosting MS OS (or any other OS for that matter).
Well, it doesn't cost a whole much of nothing for PalmSource to make 2 copies or 7 million copies of their OS. PalmSource just depends on getting licensees.
ASSUMING that PalmOne makes a duplicate device with PalmSource OS (which shouldn't be that difficult), then it is not shafting PalmSource out of any cash. They still have a license with PalmOne, they didn't lose it.
People that prefer PalmSource OS will still buy the PalmSource OS version, and people that prefer the MS PPC will buy the MS PPC version; all to the financial benefit of PalmOne. This gives a greater freedom for profit to PalmOne and not being hindered by the exclusivity of the PalmSource OS.
UNLESS PalmOne flat out refuses a license from PalmSource, PalmSource shouldn't lose anything really. PalmSource still has to get what licenses they can get, in addition to PalmOne. This is beneficial for both companies (PalmOne and PalmSource) not to be hindered by their own exclusivity to the other.
PalmSource is going to fail or succeed with gaining licenses regardless if PalmOne sells MS OS or not.
This epoch, if the rumor is true, should result in better hardware from PalmOne in order to gain other OS licenses, and PalmSource is still no better or worse than before.
RE: PPC Treo Rumor
The poster at TreoCentral has a lot of posts, but the story does not fit the pix. He says a woman tried to sell these to him and he balked after testing them and they did not work right. How and why did he take pics of the devices in this manner. The HTC logo shot is the boot-up screen where Palm Powered appears. One has to be a well timed shutter bug to reset the device, lay it down squarely, grab the camera, align the shot and shoot before the loga goes away. Then again if it's WinMob, mabe he has a while? :-(
Nevertheless, I smell a spy-photo-rat here. I should know too. :-D
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
PPC Treo = the coup de grace
People that prefer PalmSource OS will still buy the PalmSource OS version, and people that prefer the MS PPC will buy the MS PPC version; all to the financial benefit of PalmOne. This gives a greater freedom for profit to PalmOne and not being hindered by the exclusivity of the PalmSource OS.
UNLESS PalmOne flat out refuses a license from PalmSource, PalmSource shouldn't lose anything really. PalmSource still has to get what licenses they can get, in addition to PalmOne. This is beneficial for both companies (PalmOne and PalmSource) not to be hindered by their own exclusivity to the other.
PalmSource is going to fail or succeed with gaining licenses regardless if PalmOne sells MS OS or not.
This epoch, if the rumor is true, should result in better hardware from PalmOne in order to gain other OS licenses, and PalmSource is still no better or worse than before.
So do you think that companies and individuals that might have otherwise bought PalmOS Treos (when PalmOS was the only game in town) won't buy PPC Treos? Every PPC Treo sold at the expense of a PalmOS Treo is another stab wound (in the back) to the PalmOS platform. One by one, it all adds up. Suddely, one day you wake up and the general consensus is that PalmOS is dead. Then suddenly EVERYONE abandond the platform. Overnight. Just look at what happened to Netscape. When the end comes, things tend to snowball quickly.
And do you think that licencees only pay for a general license and not a per-device license? Wow. What grade are you in?
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RE: PPC Treo Rumor
Its not the hardware that's the differentiator here (ok - so they have a small qerty keyboard. their not the oinly ones). Its the interface. This mean palm OS + p1 dpad/phone integration. Winmob (PPC) is a cludge of an os. The treo 600 is what it is because of the OS. Haven't you read all of those raving critics reviews?
Jesus H. Christ! Will you people wake up!
You disappoint me, Grasshopper. I know PalmOS is superior to PPC. You know PalmOS is superior to PPC. Unfortunately for Palm, being superior doesn't matter. People (and especially companies) will quickly drift to PPC because of the Microsoft name and marketing. Think about it: why does anyoe buy crappy PPC PDAs now anyway? It's not just for the superior hardware - people feel "safe" with the Microsoft name. Sad but true.
Bring out a PPC Treo and PalmOS Treo sales will instantly nosedive, setting up a chain reaction. Once PalmOS device sales figures are noticeably below PPC numbers the rats will flee the PalmOS ship in droves. Remember what happened to Netscape? Palm can easily go from market leader to also-ran within MONTHS. The past 8 years of market dominance means nothing.
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RE: PPC Treo Rumor
Isn't it time you got paid with real cash money, and not stock which only heads south?
treo 670 + msmobile?
while it would be great to see an experiment like this surface; unless there are a few hardware changes to the device - running msmobile isn't really an option for the treo device.
required improvements:
1. 64mb ram (thats possible)
2. 240x320 or 240x240 or 320x240 display (240x240 is possible)
the msmobile operating system doens't support a 320x320 resolution model at this point; however, it would be interesting to see what could be done to make that support possible :) pocket pc 2003 has a new resoltion engine for rotatable displays and non 240x320 resolutions - so, you never know.
i'd be interested to see how this story progresses :) i love my treo 650 - but, having it run a cut down msmobile operating system (allowing background tasks/networking) could be a great addition. i would hate to see it run a standard pocket pc 2003 edition tho.
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Attn David Pogue!
O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
It's now March, 2005. Bupkis. Nada. Zilch.
PalmLinux cannot realistically be engineered into a stable OS until at least 2006, more likely 2007.
PalmSource is losing revenue sources steadily. Its licencee list is looking anemic. Sony - gone. Garmin - going. HandEra - gone. AlphaSmart - moribund. Samsung - eVAPORated. pa1mOne - about to start suckling Windows flavored Kool-Aid from Bill Gates' nasty teat. Old contracts (with cheap licence fees) are not a sustainable business model.
WTF is PalmSource going to do to survive?
Maybe they should bulk mail this link to every email list they can find?
http://www.palmsource.com/licensees/becoming_lic.html
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RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
Of course, while Palm may fail if they stick with the Palm OS for the long term, if they switch to Win Mob on all their devices they will be instantly flattened by hp and Dell, who have been doing this Windows lark for waaaay longer and have their own armies of loyal fans.
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
This could be classed naivety but also saying that PalmOne and PalmSource are doomed, finished kaput is not completely true either. Besides, all this suicide talk isn't exactly going to encourage visitors to this site wondering whether or not to get a Treo/Zodiac/T5/whatever.
GSPDA is a minor league company (like a poor man's HTC). Don't pin your hopes on their ability to create good products.
Tapwave's business model has already proven to be faulty. Now that Sony's PSP is here, Tapwave's narrow window of opportunity has been suddenly closed, locked and barred. Their only hope to survive as a company was to release a high quality tablet style PDA with the specs of the Zodiac 2 or better. Basically, this would be like the CLIE TH55 but with specs for the power user. Tapwave could have taken a HUGE chunk of sales from the Tungsten T3/5 market with such a PDA. But now it looks like they're burning through their startup money and feel they can't afford a new model. In reality they can't afford NOT to put out a new model. Judging from the sad state of the Tapwave displays at most CompUSSRs I've seen, Tapwave is not long for this world.
Many of Palm's people are lurkers here at Palminfocenter. They come here to see what people REALLY think about their products. Some of those lurkers are individuals that have made/are making the decisions that are destroying Palm. Hopefully they'll wake up in time to undo this damage before the platform goes under for good.
Anyone thinking of buying a PalmOS PDA is entitled to hear all points about the platform/devices - both good and bad. Most of us here feel strongly that PalmOS is BY FAR the best PDA OS around. No contest. The PPC trolls don't ever try to argue againt that fact anymore. The problem with the PalmOS platform these days is the substandard/poor value hardware and the lack of options available. If you bought a Zodiac as a gaming device only to see them go out of business in three months, how would you feel? If you bought a Treo 650 expecting a high quality, reliable PHONE, how would you feel? Websites like PIC and Treocentral are the only ways consumers have of finding out the truth and the most effective way to get companies to fix problems. (Of course, given Palm STILL hasn't fixed the Treo 650 memory debacle, even collective outrage expressed by the Palm community might end up not making a difference.) In the end, research your purchases and vote with your wallet.
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RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
BadBob, no, RIM claimed to have a patent covering any QWERTY thumb keyboard on a wireless device. I don't believe it had anything to do with the shape of the buttons. Besides, this can't be very old at all, since HTC didn't get into the Treo line until the 650.
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
Pissed off, because that's exactly what I've done. The fact their debut PDA was quite an unusual design with some interesting features shows that they can innovate and hopefully the Zodiac 3 will be a high end device. This could get them a long way - provided they can bring better marketing to bear (as you said about the TW stand) and providing they don't leave too long a gap.
If they can do all this, it could put P1 in a very awkward position.
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
Do you have a short position in PSRC? If so you may become independently wealthy or poor. If not, then you're really not to sure about your Palm-bashing.
Everybody loves easy money, right?
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
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RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
It's now March, 2005. Bupkis. Nada. Zilch.
PalmLinux cannot realistically be engineered into a stable OS until at least 2006, more likely 2007.
PalmSource is losing revenue sources steadily. Its licencee list is looking anemic. Sony - gone. Garmin - going. HandEra - gone. AlphaSmart - moribund. Samsung - eVAPORated. pa1mOne - about to start suckling Windows flavored Kool-Aid from Bill Gates' nasty teat. Old contracts (with cheap licence fees) are not a sustainable business model.
WTF is PalmSource going to do to survive?
Maybe, the folks at Palmsource should've thought about that when they released Cobalt. In addition, that crappy T5 is nothing more than an insult to current palm owners looking to upgrade. BOTH companies have sat idle for the past 2 years, just trying to rake in the profits without doing any work. As a result, BOTH are dying, and because I'm still upset at the T5, I'm glad to see them go!
All good things...
I'd write both P1 and PSRC up
Anyone agree with me here?
Powered by Palm OS since March 2002
Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourself
Why are you trying to commit suicide? Why is it so difficult for you to produce a decent PDA? Why is it that you don't care about quality control? Why can't you simply make basic quality devices like the Palm V and Palm III anymore? Is the Sony CLIE TH55 the best PDA we will ever see running PalmOS? Why? Michael Mace should be ashamed! Was the hope drunk wherein you dressed yourself? Does anyone at Palm care anymore? Have they all given up? Will Palm EVER release another quality PDA?
Ryan, we really need to find out if Palm has thrown in the towel. Their actions in recent months suggest they have. How could things have gotten so bad so quickly? Is it time for us all to give up on Palm? This is pathetic.
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RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourself
This is as much about mind-share as it is about anything else. Remember the nightmare surrounding the release of the Tungsten T without an MP3 player, and all Palm's promises and foot-shuffling in that incident? It's the same story, with different names, as the drivers for the Sandisk WiFi card, or Palm OS Cobalt, or the NVFS fix for the Treo 650. Every time this happens, the Palm companies and the Palm platform are looked on a little less favorably by the customers. A little more out of touch. Look at the people around here--Palm loyalists to a fault, many have lost faith because of the endless stream of failures. Failures due not to the limits of technology, or to risky business moves, but due to systemic apathy and hubris on the part of the companies that create the platform. PalmOne and PalmSource need to be shaken up and be made agressive or else they'll remain stagnant and eventually be eliminated. It's an agressive marketplace. Adapt or die.
RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourself
Palm should be very worried, though - I expect only a minority of PalmOS users will remain faithful to the platform if the hardware continues to lag so far behind PPC. Also, adding a few simple utilities (like WisBar) removes a LOT of the PPC UI headaches from the equation. It won't be long before Microsoft figures this out and fixes their UI problems.
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RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourself
All the more reason that the Two Palms need to compete. The market would be boring without options.
I *love* WISbar. Specifically, the classic 1.4 version. I still use it even though it's not VGA aware, because it's the best UI supplement and title-bar add-on I can find. Maybe I'm finicky, but I never got on well with the 'Advanced' versions.
RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourself
http://www.pelmarinc.com/html/pocket_pc.htm
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RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourself
Oh, and for that reason above, I'd rather get nostalgic for a NR70 or an NX70 than an NX80 ;-)
Oh, please.
Can we please learn to just put this damned apocalyptic skepticism behind us and move on? (Or at the very least PIC really ought to allow one to filter out comments from certain usernames.)
RE: Oh, please.
Netscape lasted only four years versus MS. 1995-1999. Palm's various permutations have lasted over twice that - nine years, 1996-2005.
Details:
* Netscape's byout by AOL is being used as the benchmark for their decease.
* MSFT competition with Netscape started in 1995 with MSIE 1.0.
* MSFT competition with Palm started in 1996 with WinCE 1.0.
* MSFT competition with Netscape did not become noticably effective until 1996, with MSIE 3.0. (They worked fast!)
* MSFT competition with Palm did not become noticably effective until 1999, with WinCE 3.0.
Going by "effective MSFT competition", then, Netscape lasted three years to Palm's six (and counting).
MS can't quite crush Palm the same way it did Netscape - Netscape was defeated because MSIE could be thrown right into the OS. It was already in the consumer's posession. The only way it could do this with Windows Mobile would be to include a new PDA in each Windows box.
I think Palm's still got a bit of fight left in them.
RE: Oh, please.
Yours,
G.Reaper
RE: Oh, please.
Instead of asking the whiners to leave, ask these losers, "Why are you still here?"
If they genuinely believe PalmOne and PalmSource are doomed, they would put their Palm handhelds in a drawer, leave the Palm internet forums, buy a competing handheld and start participating in the internet forums for the competing handheld.
Voice Of Reason: PalmOne and PalmSource have let you down. They have failed you. Let go. Microsoft or Research in Motion will welcome your conversion with open arms. Save yourself from the pain.
Eric Lyons
Palm OS Software Engineer
PROUD owner of the PalmOne Treo 650
How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
- Palm Inc. splitting into PalmOne and PalmSource.
- Sony quitting.
- PalmOne focusing on phones and not handhelds.
- Millions of $ invested in OS 6. Two years later, no units use it.
- Senior and brass staff quitting left and right.
- Stocks tumbling.
- Consumer WiFi revolt being ignored by PalmOne. And now some ****amania idea of shipping that silly WiFi SD card that protrudes 1" from the SD slot.
- Cost and production problems. Lack of value. Still no T5 cradle available. And why should I have to pay 70$ CAD for it? I paid 599$ for the T5.
- T5 software compatibility problems. More updates needed, faster.
- Palm rarely offers flash OS upgrades.
- PalmLinux. I don't believe that a small company in such a wild market can pull this off in time.
- The pool of Palm developers is always drying up and moving to PPC.
- PPC programs come out first and then Palm users have to wait for ports, if any at all.
- Microsoft has all kinds of plans to improve WM with version 2005 and beyond. They have 3D gaming programming plug-ins coming, DirectX, etc. Palm has what and is planning what?
- The PalmOne support in India is poor and costly. HP is located in North America, free shipping, speak a good english and resolve things very quickly.
- PalmOne does not believe in Palm OS. The Treo 670 with WM proves this. They want to boost revenue and will try to justify WM as being their offer of giving consumers choice. Fact is, they don't believe Palm OS enough to ensure their prosperity. I don't see Dell and HP making Palm OS devices to ensure their prosperity.
- PalmOne seemingly backstabbed PalmSource by forcing them to develop PalmLinux, then they around and make plans to sell a WM Treo.
Well Mr. Colligan, I agree with you that WM is the future. You go right ahead and make your Treo 670. I will buy the new HP HX2700 and make sure I never ever buy a PalmOne product again. YOU are mainly to blame for Palm OS' undoing and I will not support you with a single penny.
If Palm was smart, they would fire Colligan, halt Treo 670 WM development, reunite Palm Inc., bring Dataviz on as a closer partner to ensure continued and better Microsoft Office integration on Palm OS. Put all resources into OS 6, put more money into making tiny high performance home/multimedia entertainment devices. Make the device the size of the HP 4150, put WiFi, a replaceable battery, add a video coprocessor, an OLED screen, a cradle with every unit, etc.
When consumers walk into the store, the salespeople should be able to easily use this kind of sales pitch: "Get a Palm. It is faster than WM, it is easier, it offers photo like screen quality, you can store your family pictures, a free DivX encoder/player comes with the unit, you can even play high quality MP3s, like on the iPOD. You also get a cradle, WiFi, full Microsoft Office support, and it is tiny in size that it can even fit in a shirt pocket. It is a complete multimedia device on top of being a great organizer!". Right now, salespeople usually push PPCs because everyone knows and trusts the Windows brand name.
Apple was able to survive the Microsoft behemoth by being relentless in their creativity and will to survive. Palm does not currently have that spirit. Making a Treo 670 simply shows that Colligan and company are out to make an easy and quick buck, regardless if it means undermining their core product.
The focus on Treos disappointed me, the turn to PalmLinux worried me and now the move to a Windows Mobile Treo has confirmed my gut feeling that Palm is not around for long. At this point, I will put up with HP and Windows Mobile drawbacks until Microsoft irons out the problems with WM2005 and on. I trust Microsoft. I don’t trust PalmOne/PalmSource/Colligan. I had enough and am moving on.
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
And I guess this means "Be" is really really REALLY dead this time
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Holy shiit, you know it's over when the Vampire finally loses faith. We've finally reached capitulation.
To the last one out - please turn off the lights. Good night.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=PSRC&t=2y
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
15 minutes ago, I bought a Dell X50v for 399$ Canadian. There are having a shocking 1 day sale of 200$ off and free shipping. I got with a spare 1100ma battery.
Although I bought the PPC, I want to reiterate my opinion that the PalmOne Tungsten T5, overall, is the world's best PDA (as per my criteria and vision of what a PDA should be). Its build is high quality, the screen is fantastic, the buttons are great, etc. The speaker on the back, no cradle and the lack of wifi are problems however.
I bought the X50v because of all the reasons I listed above. I also want to invest a lot of time in programming for handhelds, and I needed to know that the OS I chose would be around for many years. Microsoft isn't going away any time soon. PalmOne/PalmSource/Colligan are responsible for shaking consumer confidence. Rule #1 in capitalism: Ensure consumer confidence.
Anyways, I feel terribly sad after placing my Dell order, but I know I had to make a tough decision to move on.
See you on the PPC Brighthand forums.
Lestat
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
1) How did you get that price???
2) You'll be back.
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RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Vampirelestat
Clearly you did your research, else you would not have bought the extra battery for the Dell, but its a pity, having complained of the poor hardware of the Palm side, you did not go for the best pocketpc PDA around currently, that being the Loox 720.
Its got a 1640 mAh battery, VGA screen, is very thin and conservatively styled (so it fits in a suit well), it has wifi and Bluetooth (of course) and has consumer IR and USB host (so you can easily connect it to keyboards, memory thumb sticks and external hard drives), special extra speaker for voice over ip and is currently judged by most comparisons to be the best pocketpc around. And it comes with a cradle ;)
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/vga-comparing-en.shtml
Surur
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Ps:
Forgot to mention that it has 128Mb ram +32Mb safe-store rom.
Plus its actually the same size at the T5 is thinner, and has dual slots (CF and SDIO) in the same depth.
Loox 720........ 122x72x15.2mm
T5...............121x78x15 mm
Surur
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
I think that the next 30 days will be very interesting ones (note that I didn't necessarily say "interesting" in a positive connotation) and will basically give the ultimate picture of what is to happen to the OS & the hardware side of Palm.
In short, I wouldn't even be surprised if what TVoR said earlier is true (Sprint ponied up the $ to sway P1 into making a PPC Treo) so that that horse can be ridden a while longer before it too expires.
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
As for the dearth of leaks (aside from the TE2):
1) Maybe people no longer care enough to dig for leaks?
2) Maybe, even worse, the TE2 and WinMobbed Treo are all that's coming!
Wake me up again when Jobs announces the "iBook mini"...
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
#3--P1 has something huge up their sleeve and they are taking unprecedented measures to keep quiet about it because they want to take the world by surprise in a week or two when they announce it.
Of course, that strategy doesn't apply nowadays like it did back in '01 and '02. Back then, Palm Inc. had super-early leaks of the m5xx series and the T|T and it stole the thunder from their existing mainstream offerings at the time. Now, however, with daily defections to the PPC camp and elsewhere, they need all of the positive vibes they can muster. A leak of some DECENT hardware right now would work wonders for the short term outlook of P1!
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Pay no attention to the Surur behind the curtain. ;) You get some trade-offs either way. With the Loox 720, you lose the i2700G 3D accelerator/video decoder, the 128 MB internal flash, the 624 MHz processor, and the excellent price point. In return, you get a bigger standard battery, USB Host, and 128 MB RAM. That's pretty much the gist of it. Both of them have CIR and specialty VOIP capabilities.
Mike, I wouldn't be surprised to also see a Zire of some type in the spring lineup, but P1 does--with the noted exception of the TC--have a history of releasing low-end and mid-range models in the spring. We might not even see this Treo until summer or fall. As for anything else, well, PalmOne is very bad at keeping secrets.
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
I still don't put any faith in the rumors of Dell wanting to enter the smartphone market as the whole subsidized pricing structure & the entanglement of the carriers doesn't mesh with Dell's usual "sell the latest tech for x% below the competition" mentality. Yes, a PPC Treo is coming. No, I don't think Dell is involved. Sprint or Verizon are far more likely candidates. The stories about there being BT issues with the PPC Treo wouldn'g bother Verizon a bit as they have no commitment or concern for BT functionality in the slightest, as evidenced by the V710 fiasco.
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Pay no attention to the Surur behind the curtain. ;) You get some trade-offs either way. With the Loox 720, you lose the i2700G 3D accelerator/video decoder, the 128 MB internal flash, the 624 MHz processor, and the excellent price point. In return, you get a bigger standard battery, USB Host, and 128 MB RAM. That's pretty much the gist of it. Both of them have CIR and specialty VOIP capabilities.
At the equivalent of just $300 US, the Dell X50v will look VERY attractive to a lot of people. Dell must be "dumping" their hardware to achieve marketshare and/or sales of its mainstream products. Even I'd be willing to pick one up at that price just to play with VoIP and to use as a wireless web browser! I never did find how he got that price, though.
You said elsewhere that I'm wrong in saying Palm has a clear advantage over PPC in terms of OS. Get serious. Have you really ever USED a PPC device? Mike Cane: will you please show her the error of her ways?
I think USB Host ability is one of the Holy Grails for PDAs. I'm amazed that Fujitsu includes it and others don't. That alone would be enough to sway the decision to the Loox, if only it wasn't twice as expensive as the Dell (on sale).
"The Zen way is the only way, Grasshopper."
- TVoR
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RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Did I mention the Loox 720 has one of the rarities of pocketpcdom, a jog dial? Nothing better to turn pages in eReader with.
BTW, the loox has a DEDICATED small speaker in the earphone position, and a larger one at the bottom. With the right voip software the large speaker will switch of and you can use the loox like a phone. The Dell does not have a dedicated speaker.
Of course there is no perfect pocketpc, but in the balance of features the Loox 720 leads the lot. To upgrade the Dell to 128Mb RAM costs $200. The USB host cable is included, and it works with an ipod/ipod mini/iriver without modification, allowing you to watch video stored on their hard drives. If you already have an ipod it puts the Loox ahead of the Dell (even with the very good video accelerator), in that you wont have to buy an expensive large memory card. The loox is not the cheapest, but it still leads in value for money.
I nearly forgot to mention the built-in 1.3 megapixel camera with flash. Of course its crap, but most of them are.
Of course, like everything (accept HP pocketpc's) you get what you pay for.
Surur
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
It was one of the '10 Days of Deals' that Dell has been running. It was supposed to be the 12th only, but it also worked on the 13th.
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=18&threadid=449124
You said elsewhere that I'm wrong in saying Palm has a clear advantage over PPC in terms of OS. Get serious. Have you really ever USED a PPC device?
Yes, frequently. As a matter of fact, I have an Axim X50v. Aside from tradeoffs and ideosyncracies that you'll have to deal with to a greater or lesser extent no matter what device you get, I'm quite happy with it.
Sure, some people may find PocketPCs unbearable, or distasteful, or just not appealing. That's fine. I can't stand cable news or country music. It's the reason we have choice. But to hear some people here tell it, no one could possibly ever like PocketPC, anyone who uses it is either stupid or crazy, and the sales of millions of PPCs per year is some kind of nasty dream. Truth is, some people feel as strongly positive about PocketPC as you do about PalmOS, because it just works for them. That's why we need genuine competition, so that everybody can be happy.
Oh, and I'm a him, by the way.
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
I've had a x50v for several months. Put on a good Today Plug in, download se_vga (for FREE), and you'll be amazed at what PIM functions can be done. For simple people, simple products, but if you need to be able to manage a LOT of PIM data at the same time, I think you'll find your new pda to be well up to the task. Yes, it is a different OS. No, it's NOT like Palm, and Yes, they designed it that way. :)
All good things...
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Yeah - I figured it out yesterday. I actually tried to order one on the 13th, but the discounted price wasn't showing up.
As a matter of fact, I have an Axim X50v. Aside from tradeoffs and ideosyncracies that you'll have to deal with to a greater or lesser extent no matter what device you get, I'm quite happy with it.
Sure, some people may find PocketPCs unbearable, or distasteful, or just not appealing. That's fine. I can't stand cable news or country music. It's the reason we have choice. But to hear some people here tell it, no one could possibly ever like PocketPC, anyone who uses it is either stupid or crazy, and the sales of millions of PPCs per year is some kind of nasty dream. Truth is, some people feel as strongly positive about PocketPC as you do about PalmOS, because it just works for them. That's why we need genuine competition, so that everybody can be happy.
People that prefer PPC aren't stupid or crazy. Just "misguided".
Oh, and I'm a him, by the way.
Sorry 'bout that.
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PocketPC Version
That's all I could say here.
A guy from China.
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antoinerjwright.com
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All good things...
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Another guy from China.
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-- You haven't lived 'til you drank three Flaming Lamborgini's in a single night.
Nintendo Update: PalmOS? No...
It Begins. First Non-Game Titles for Nintendo DS
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http://spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=8453
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Photo Editing Points
I don't believe the story of the Treo Central guy. The photos make no sense in light of his ... "a woman tried to sell me these" story. They definitely could be WinMobsters, but this story & pix don't gell imo.
This one does tho ;-)
http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/treo800big.jpg
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
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RE: Photo Editing Points
This much I can get some some image "tweaking."
The screen is on just dimmed to the darkest and then the device is purposly put into poor lighting (aka, someone doesnt want to get caught with this).
There are a few discernable icons at the top.
Top left - start menu and/or battery guage
Top right - Home and signal strength, there is athird one but too much color is lost in the sub pixel area to see waht it is
EDIT: I saw a fourth icon, but that could be color banding.
There is a menu on the left side that says Last Call, one under that that says Call ????. It is a horozontal menu, something like the favs list on the 650.
There is an icon menu at the bottom (possibly 4 icons). Looks just like the new iPaq setup. The resolution is probably then 240x240. One of those icons seems to be an Inbox like lcon, I cannot make out the third icon, the second and 4th are washed out.
(in some more "tweaking" there is considerable reflection from the camera that took this pic and that looks like what the third icon is)
The second item under last call says Call Log
It also seems that this pic was edited as there is some spong work on the screen area. The color intensity of the screen doesnt match the rest of the pic either.
antoinerjwright.com
PPC Treo is good for PalmOne
Hey VampireLestat last i checked you liked the T5
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
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The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
Keep on Denying
*[I made the switch and got a Dell X50v. I switched after the poor service from PalmOne. I turned in a T3 with a messed up digitizer and got a replacement. The replacement has a screen that now has gained an yellowish/orange tint and is not anywhere near as bright as the screen I originally had. I have tried and tried to get through to PalmOne, waiting one time for 58 mins on a speakerphone, only to get disconnected. I thought about getting a new unit (T3) and find out it was discontinued. Their flagship product replaced by the T5. A flagship replacement should be a huge step forward, not a sidestep -if not half a step backwards. So I started my search. During my search, I found some interesting facts that made me lean towards the Dell X50v.
*PalmOne is now rumored to be making a TREO that runs on the windows OS.
*PalmOne by contract has to pay a per unit royaly to PalmSource, with a $40MILLION dollar minimum! This contract expires in 2006. This means that PalmOne HAS to GIVE PalmSource $40mil. I found this in HANDHELD COMPUTING MAGAZINE -April 2005 on sale now.
*PalmSource stock has from $27.20 in Sept 04 to hitting $9.61 on 10 Feb 05, a 52 week low.
*I contacted some of the software companies and they were nice enough to give me reg. codes for software that I bought for the T3 and would like to carry over to the Axim.
*Yes, there is not as much software for the PPC but what I have found is that the software that is available is almost all 1st rate.
All of these things combined, along with the facts that Sony bailed on the Palm OS and PalmOne may be making a TREO phone for Windows OS makes me wonder when PalmOne doesn't HAVE to GIVE PalmSource $40million, will they still be making Palm OS products?
As the kid used to say on t.v. ...Dude your gettin' a Dell!
Palm should have never spilt into two companies.]*
I was told by Captain Hair in a response:
*[That rumor died long ago.]*
The Dell took some getting used to but it is a very solid machine with solid programs. The old "so many crashes and freezes" is just a bunch of malarkie. That like saying all Palms still have monochrome screens.
High-tech is ever changing. Palm just stopped everything. Now I just have to get a digital camera and stop using the film camera and I'll be up to date...Ha Ha!!!
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