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    Comments on: Rumor: Mystery Treo Images SurfaceImages of an unusual Treo design have been posted on TreoCentral. The details about the devices are sparse and have lead to speculation on what they may actually be.
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Hold on to your hats kids. If other leaks are about to start getting out, you are in for a wild ride. :) RE: Whoa
And the Treo 650's specs will kill a PPC-based Treo. 32mb RAM? HAH! Seriously, P1 works best within the constraints of the Palm OS. P1's development $, engineering experience, customer awareness etc etc. all would point to their best interest slogging it with the Palm OS over the long haul. P1 can barely afford to fund new POS models 2x per year--it's insane to think they can undertake a new OS and maintain 3 distinct hardware lines (Palm PDAs, Palm Treos, PPC Treos). Unless, of course, a buyer with deep pockets is waiting in the wings. I'd wager that this is a pre-production 650 mockup OR a one-off type of what a Dell Treo might have looked like. I don't doubt that a Treo 670 or 700 will eventually be released, however. It just won't look like this angular unit. RE: Whoa
The sad part is, that these photos look 100% real. I mean, remember Tungsteninfos "Sony Picture"? That was badly taken and obviously photoshopped(i believed it). This just makes me depressed on so many levels. The end of Palm is near. The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p RE: Whoavoice of chaos @ 3/11/2005 5:29:13 PM #
So let's get this straight, assuming there is a Windows-based Treo in the future. palmOne, the number one Palm OS equipment maker, is now rushing to become yet another "me-too" in the Windows Mobile space. Unfortunately, given what's going on in the past between palmOne and PalmSource this is very believable. *Sigh* Too stupid to live, too dumb to die... RE: Whoa
Just how can you tell the device in the picture runs Windows Mobile from the pictures alone?? RE: Whoa
Right: 1) I want a definate official source before I start taking any of this seriously - I've seen waaaay too many images on here for me to believe all of them: Tungsten E2 rumour and not to mention a particular member who has been posting piccies of Dell x50p's, T6's and Ti's, Pat....;) 2) Two Treos in one year? Eeven with two OSes, I'd find it hard to believe that they could put out two identical devices within a few months of each other. 3) The point about the specs is very well made - the hp6340 has ancient specs and got slaughtered in almost every review of it I've read. What would be a nice thought is if this a true Treo 670, with the minor additions of extra memory and Wifi.... RE: WhoaAdamaDBrown @ 3/11/2005 7:01:31 PM #
Frenchie, you're right. I spent quite a bit of time this afternoon trying to debunk these as fake. I couldn't. As far as I can tell, they're legitimate photos. VOC, it's not just PalmOne. Everyone's losing confidence in PalmSource--licensees, investors, buyers. If this comes to pass, I would see it as PalmOne hedging their bets, so that in case PSRC goes down, PLMO isn't taken with them. Rasty, the guy who provided the photo said that they ran on PocketPC. RE: WhoaAdamaDBrown @ 3/11/2005 7:13:27 PM #
Masamune, if you discount Pat's playthings, the vast majority of the photos circulated are real. Remember the T3 photos that people crowed 'fake' at? Or the T5. And I'm willing to bet that the E2 is real as well. I wouldn't take the specs too seriously yet. HTC has a notoriously modular engineering structure, and it wouldn't surprise me if they could dump another 32-96 MB of RAM in on a half-hour's notice. What's with the odd serial numbers at the top?
What are the serial numbers E2OYN and (can't make out the one on the left) referring to? My guess is that these are prototypes at best - this is no guarantee that they'll ever go into mass production. Look at the Samsung SGH-i530 RE: Whoa
The T|E2 is such a glacial step forward that it's bound to be real. Besides, the T|E is way overdue for replacement anyway. I put some measure of belief in these images. Why? Scenario #1 I don't think these pics are a hoax at all but it's also not a fully production-ready unit. Anyone remember the Dell "engineering sample" AMD-based desktops that are floated around every couple of years just to keep Intel in line pricing-wise? This could be something similar. P1's engineers cobbled together this in their spare time, fanned the rumor flames about PPC and-voila!-a perfect way to prod PalmSource into getting something decent out the door. Scenario #2 Also, the more I think about it, this could just be a quickie refresh of the 650 with at least 2x the RAM and/or a few other small tweaks (possibly wi-fi?). The 650 could then drop $100 or $150 in price where people wouldn't have such high expectations of it. Existing Treo 600 stocks could then be blown out for <$300 while P1 scrambles to prepare a proper low-end entry level Treo for fall '05. P1 could go ahead with the square buttons and altered d-pad just to keep from having 3 identical looking units on the market. I have to admit that if this was their first Win Mob unit, it'd have a nicer integration of the camera on the back. That thing looks so cheap and grafted on in comparison to the sleek integrated lens housings on other smart/cell phones out there. Of course, this IS P1 we're talking about... This is how the world ends....The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/11/2005 8:48:20 PM #
So let's get this straight, assuming there is a Windows-based Treo in the future. palmOne, the number one Palm OS equipment maker, is now rushing to become yet another "me-too" in the Windows Mobile space. Unfortunately, given what's going on in the past between palmOne and PalmSource this is very believable. *Sigh* Too stupid to live, too dumb to die... First of all... nice name. My lawyers will be in touch with you on Monday. Secondly, everything you said above is (unfortunately) true.
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Sprint PPC Treo 700The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/11/2005 9:13:17 PM #
P1 can barely afford to fund new POS models 2x per year--it's insane to think they can undertake a new OS and maintain 3 distinct hardware lines (Palm PDAs, Palm Treos, PPC Treos). Unless, of course, a buyer with deep pockets is waiting in the wings. What if, say, Sprint ponied up the seed money for 100,000 PPC Treos? No risk. No engineering effort. Guaranteed profit. Easy money. Just like the Fat Ba$tards at pa1mOne like it. So what if it destroys the platform? Thanks, pa1mOne! Lazy ba$tards.
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RE: WhoaAdamaDBrown @ 3/11/2005 11:20:57 PM #
Masamune, the numbers are IDs given to pre-production models for PalmOne. Each individual unit has a unique number, so PalmOne can trace the source of any leaks. You can see similar IDs on the pre-production T3, T5, and TE2 photos. RE: Whoa
Adam's right about the numbers. P1 is already on the phone and maybe on a plane if these asre futures. Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com Not PPCJonathanChoo @ 3/12/2005 8:43:42 AM #
The new Treo, atleast the one on the left, is for PalmOS. Why? Home logo and menu logo on the soft button keys, none of which exists (yet) on Pocket PC. There is a posibility it could run on Windows Mobile 2005 for Pocket PC as it will support soft keys. RE: WhoaJonathanChoo @ 3/12/2005 2:57:37 PM #
They do but not in a way PalmOS manages them.
Pocket PC users can easily go back to the today screen (home) easily but in some softwares on PalmOS, it requires the user to press a button or shortcut to get back to the launcher. 
 It's time
This is March. p1 usually releases -- or at least announces -- new stuff this month. A Treo running WinMob? Do I Care? N.O. Now someone point me to pics of that rumored "iBook mini" and my interest will perk up... RE: It's timeToken User @ 3/12/2005 1:13:48 PM #
We are also only a couple of weks away from April 1 ... could this just be a run up to a well planned hoax?
~ "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed." - DV ~
PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOSThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/11/2005 8:19:00 PM #
Yes, a PPC Treo has been approved by pa1mOne. I don't believe these specs are correct, though. HTC can create such a device with almost ZERO effort - they already have the architecture and the parts are all off-the-shelf. PalmSource's Cobalt debacle followed by the PalmLinux Hail Mary pass they're desperately attempting to complete has severely undermined PalmOS as a viable platform. Idiotic comments from pa1mOne execs haven't helped much, either. When a pa1mOne Treo is released, it will tell the world that even Palm (pa1mOne) no longer believes in Palm (PalmSource). PalmSource stocks will likely tumble to below $5 and the company should be snapped up by a smart investor for less than 100 million $ or so. Only problem is that pa1mOne is like a guppy swimming with sharks in terms of cellphone hardware sellers. Sony Ericsson, Nokia, etc. are going to destroy pa1mOne. Quickly. Just take a look at the recent phones from those two companies (especially Sony Ericsson!). Palm thought they were being clever by splitting into two companies. Made themselves millions $ of easy money. Greed is Good™. But divided, they are as weak and defenseless as a newborn kitten against the REAL predators in the jungle. Greed is Bad™. THE END IS NEAR. Be afraid, children. Be very afraid.
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RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOSRhinoSteve @ 3/11/2005 9:03:27 PM #
You and your Nippon-style porn Voice? You don't have much of a reputation here after your last rant on Japanese porn here. RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOSThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/11/2005 9:06:48 PM #
Here what are you here saying here? Send your Creampie over. I need release and Creampie needs a creampie. Hope you enjoy eating sloppy seconds, CuckholdSteve. Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
Maybe if i cross my fingers and wish i was back to the day sony was releasing PDAs, this nightmare will go away ;)
RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
Gentlemen, RELAX. This thing is ugly as sin in Treo terms. It looks like the design of one of those budding Chinese hardware makers that PSRC has licensed lately. Nothing that we are sure about says that these FUTURE Treo devices. They very well could be NEW photos of OLD prototype TReo 650s that never made it b/c the elegant version won out. Someone in the styling department needs a good firing if they think this thing is going to go as an upgrade to the 650. It's just plain ugggy in comparison. My guess is that it was one of > 1 choice for the 650. They are 2 colors and keyboard paint schemes indicating that they are the GSM & CDMA versions which have so far carried this scheme. It is easier for the security of the devices to be lost AFTER release than before it. I personally bought 3 pre-production T3s on eBAY several months after the T3 was on the market. After the in-house and out-house folks get done testing, evaluating and grading a pre-prod model, then it may not be controlled so well and moles more easily get the image online. Nothing in the photos indicates WinMob. The hard-buttons are all indicative of a Palm OS model. They are identical to Palm OS functions. If this were a device being made for Dell or T-Mob etc, I would expect adjusted botton labels. One cannot be sure here,but it appears that way. My question is "what is HTC" doing involved in design? Has P1 just walked away from that too in order to be a marketing company only? HTC is certainly capable, and Hawkins even said that he has had NOTHING to do with the 650. Handspring did all the 600 design in-house I thought. Did HTC do it all on the 650? Is this really some of their work on a "670"? I doubt they would use the same #ing schemes that P1 does in house on pre-prods. Again, nothing in the photos indicate anything WinMob. Pics are real tho. Palm does not build/design hardware anymoreThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/12/2005 12:24:03 PM #
Nothing in the photos indicates WinMob. The hard-buttons are all indicative of a Palm OS model. They are identical to Palm OS functions. If this were a device being made for Dell or T-Mob etc, I would expect adjusted botton labels. One cannot be sure here,but it appears that way. My question is "what is HTC" doing involved in design? Has P1 just walked away from that too in order to be a marketing company only? HTC is certainly capable, and Hawkins even said that he has had NOTHING to do with the 650. Handspring did all the 600 design in-house I thought. Did HTC do it all on the 650? Is this really some of their work on a "670"? I doubt they would use the same #ing schemes that P1 does in house on pre-prods. Again, nothing in the photos indicate anything WinMob. Pics are real tho. You poor Sinner Man. It would take HTC all of 69 seconds to create a custom keyboard for PPC devices. Get over it, already: a PPC Treo is A Done Deal. We'll see them this year whether you want to believe this or not. Believe in me, my son. Follow not the false prophets, for they are wicked and unjust. Trust thou His Voice. His Voice of Reason. And Palm outsources EVERYTHING these days. Palm is now just a brand/marketing company. Companies typically go to production houses like HTC, tell them what kind of hardware they want and then sit back and let HTC do all the work. The irony is that Palm's greedy decision to "split" into pa1mOne + PalmSource has produce two crippled, aimless companies that lack the vision to sustain the platform. 2005 will be remembered as the year the bottom fell out of the Palm Economy.
Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
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There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOSFoo Fighter @ 3/12/2005 8:18:51 PM #
>>> "this thing is ugly as sin in Treo terms" What do you mean? It looks almost identical to the current Treo 650. Having angled rectangular buttons over oval shapes makes it ugly as sin? Aren't we being just a wee bit captious? RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
Foo, Look at the dedicated phone buttons .... cheeeesy RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
VoR, Oh nooo Grasshopper. Wax on, wax off. RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOSRhinoSteve @ 3/14/2005 2:27:19 PM #
Frankly, what I see is that it maybe done in engineering terms. However, what will hit the shelves is another story. PPC Smartphones have not been very successful and frankly, while P1 may try to do this to make some network provider happy, it will fail in the marketplace. Time for someone to make another PalmSource licensee and do this right. RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOS
Panasonic, I say! Pansonic! Ruggedized wireless PDAs (w/o voice but with wi-fi, BT, & wireless CDMMA or GPRS data) and semi-ruggedized CDMA smartphones (Verizon or possibly with iDen Nextel & Sprint dual network configuration). THAT is where the $ are, my friends! RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOSAdamaDBrown @ 3/14/2005 6:46:43 PM #
Steve, Windows Smartphones have actually met quite a bit of success in Europe, if not over here. Not that relevant, though, since a Treo would almost certainly run the full PocketPC OS. Lots of businesses like to standardize on Windows devices for simplified support and syncing purposes--that would be where the PPC Treo market would be. RE: PPC Treo will mark the end of PalmOSRhinoSteve @ 3/14/2005 7:27:34 PM #
Ok ... some EU-based secret society has endorced PPC since the Microsoft founders where initiated while in Davos, Switzerland a few years ago, that makes sense.
PPC Treo Rumoracidreflux @ 3/12/2005 12:45:20 AM #
Maybe this isn't so foolish or desperate on the part of PalmOne. The question is: why would PalmSource aquire a Linux based company in hopes of new licensees, greater hardware versatility, and a greater development community; then PalmOne turn around a sell a device with Windows PPC? First, it seems that PalmOne is going to screw PalmSource out of profit permanently, just so PalmOne can profit here and there by hosting MS OS (or any other OS for that matter). Well, it doesn't cost a whole much of nothing for PalmSource to make 2 copies or 7 million copies of their OS. PalmSource just depends on getting licensees. ASSUMING that PalmOne makes a duplicate device with PalmSource OS (which shouldn't be that difficult), then it is not shafting PalmSource out of any cash. They still have a license with PalmOne, they didn't lose it. People that prefer PalmSource OS will still buy the PalmSource OS version, and people that prefer the MS PPC will buy the MS PPC version; all to the financial benefit of PalmOne. This gives a greater freedom for profit to PalmOne and not being hindered by the exclusivity of the PalmSource OS. UNLESS PalmOne flat out refuses a license from PalmSource, PalmSource shouldn't lose anything really. PalmSource still has to get what licenses they can get, in addition to PalmOne. This is beneficial for both companies (PalmOne and PalmSource) not to be hindered by their own exclusivity to the other. PalmSource is going to fail or succeed with gaining licenses regardless if PalmOne sells MS OS or not. This epoch, if the rumor is true, should result in better hardware from PalmOne in order to gain other OS licenses, and PalmSource is still no better or worse than before. RE: PPC Treo Rumor
acid, The poster at TreoCentral has a lot of posts, but the story does not fit the pix. He says a woman tried to sell these to him and he balked after testing them and they did not work right. How and why did he take pics of the devices in this manner. The HTC logo shot is the boot-up screen where Palm Powered appears. One has to be a well timed shutter bug to reset the device, lay it down squarely, grab the camera, align the shot and shoot before the loga goes away. Then again if it's WinMob, mabe he has a while? :-( Nevertheless, I smell a spy-photo-rat here. I should know too. :-D PPC Treo = the coup de graceThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/12/2005 1:57:31 PM #
ASSUMING that PalmOne makes a duplicate device with PalmSource OS (which shouldn't be that difficult), then it is not shafting PalmSource out of any cash. They still have a license with PalmOne, they didn't lose it. People that prefer PalmSource OS will still buy the PalmSource OS version, and people that prefer the MS PPC will buy the MS PPC version; all to the financial benefit of PalmOne. This gives a greater freedom for profit to PalmOne and not being hindered by the exclusivity of the PalmSource OS. UNLESS PalmOne flat out refuses a license from PalmSource, PalmSource shouldn't lose anything really. PalmSource still has to get what licenses they can get, in addition to PalmOne. This is beneficial for both companies (PalmOne and PalmSource) not to be hindered by their own exclusivity to the other. PalmSource is going to fail or succeed with gaining licenses regardless if PalmOne sells MS OS or not. This epoch, if the rumor is true, should result in better hardware from PalmOne in order to gain other OS licenses, and PalmSource is still no better or worse than before. So do you think that companies and individuals that might have otherwise bought PalmOS Treos (when PalmOS was the only game in town) won't buy PPC Treos? Every PPC Treo sold at the expense of a PalmOS Treo is another stab wound (in the back) to the PalmOS platform. One by one, it all adds up. Suddely, one day you wake up and the general consensus is that PalmOS is dead. Then suddenly EVERYONE abandond the platform. Overnight. Just look at what happened to Netscape. When the end comes, things tend to snowball quickly. And do you think that licencees only pay for a general license and not a per-device license? Wow. What grade are you in? Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: PPC Treo Rumor
>>So do you think that companies and individuals that might have otherwise bought PalmOS Treos (when PalmOS was the only game in town) won't buy PPC Treos? Every PPC Treo sold at the expense of a PalmOS Treo is another stab wound (in the back) to the PalmOS platform. Its not the hardware that's the differentiator here (ok - so they have a small qerty keyboard. their not the oinly ones). Its the interface. This mean palm OS + p1 dpad/phone integration. Winmob (PPC) is a cludge of an os. The treo 600 is what it is because of the OS. Haven't you read all of those raving critics reviews? Jesus H. Christ! Will you people wake up!The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/12/2005 6:57:42 PM #
Its not the hardware that's the differentiator here (ok - so they have a small qerty keyboard. their not the oinly ones). Its the interface. This mean palm OS + p1 dpad/phone integration. Winmob (PPC) is a cludge of an os. The treo 600 is what it is because of the OS. Haven't you read all of those raving critics reviews? You disappoint me, Grasshopper. I know PalmOS is superior to PPC. You know PalmOS is superior to PPC. Unfortunately for Palm, being superior doesn't matter. People (and especially companies) will quickly drift to PPC because of the Microsoft name and marketing. Think about it: why does anyoe buy crappy PPC PDAs now anyway? It's not just for the superior hardware - people feel "safe" with the Microsoft name. Sad but true. Bring out a PPC Treo and PalmOS Treo sales will instantly nosedive, setting up a chain reaction. Once PalmOS device sales figures are noticeably below PPC numbers the rats will flee the PalmOS ship in droves. Remember what happened to Netscape? Palm can easily go from market leader to also-ran within MONTHS. The past 8 years of market dominance means nothing. Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: PPC Treo Rumor
Your employers are not doing so good either:
Isn't it time you got paid with real cash money, and not stock which only heads south?
treo 670 + msmobile?
The poster claims they are images of a Treo 670 model and claims they run the Windows Mobile operating system while it would be great to see an experiment like this surface; unless there are a few hardware changes to the device - running msmobile isn't really an option for the treo device. required improvements: 1. 64mb ram (thats possible) the msmobile operating system doens't support a 320x320 resolution model at this point; however, it would be interesting to see what could be done to make that support possible :) pocket pc 2003 has a new resoltion engine for rotatable displays and non 240x320 resolutions - so, you never know. i'd be interested to see how this story progresses :) i love my treo 650 - but, having it run a cut down msmobile operating system (allowing background tasks/networking) could be a great addition. i would hate to see it run a standard pocket pc 2003 edition tho.
Attn David Pogue!
I hope you will be able to do an updated edition of your "biography" of "Palm." I really really really want to read the bit that starts with the dimwit who gets it into his head that p1 should do WinMob, all the way through to p1 making the call to MS to ask for a WinMob license, and then their self-humiliating audience with those MS staffers to sign the Capitulation Papers. Be sure to include Balmer's disgusting gloating!
O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/12/2005 12:47:33 PM #
Cobalt was released December, 2003. It's now March, 2005. Bupkis. Nada. Zilch. PalmLinux cannot realistically be engineered into a stable OS until at least 2006, more likely 2007. PalmSource is losing revenue sources steadily. Its licencee list is looking anemic. Sony - gone. Garmin - going. HandEra - gone. AlphaSmart - moribund. Samsung - eVAPORated. pa1mOne - about to start suckling Windows flavored Kool-Aid from Bill Gates' nasty teat. Old contracts (with cheap licence fees) are not a sustainable business model. WTF is PalmSource going to do to survive? Maybe they should bulk mail this link to every email list they can find? http://www.palmsource.com/licensees/becoming_lic.html Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
I'm hoping that GSPDA and Tapwave will keep PalmOS going until PalmLinux arrives. Then PSRC will have a wider market of device developers open to them. Of course, while Palm may fail if they stick with the Palm OS for the long term, if they switch to Win Mob on all their devices they will be instantly flattened by hp and Dell, who have been doing this Windows lark for waaaay longer and have their own armies of loyal fans. RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
Call this blind enthusaism if you like BUT I LIKE PALM OS DEVICES AND I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THEM GO UNDER. This could be classed naivety but also saying that PalmOne and PalmSource are doomed, finished kaput is not completely true either. Besides, all this suicide talk isn't exactly going to encourage visitors to this site wondering whether or not to get a Treo/Zodiac/T5/whatever. RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/13/2005 1:11:26 PM #
I'm hoping that GSPDA and Tapwave will keep PalmOS going until PalmLinux arrives. Then PSRC will have a wider market of device developers open to them. This could be classed naivety but also saying that PalmOne and PalmSource are doomed, finished kaput is not completely true either. Besides, all this suicide talk isn't exactly going to encourage visitors to this site wondering whether or not to get a Treo/Zodiac/T5/whatever. GSPDA is a minor league company (like a poor man's HTC). Don't pin your hopes on their ability to create good products. Tapwave's business model has already proven to be faulty. Now that Sony's PSP is here, Tapwave's narrow window of opportunity has been suddenly closed, locked and barred. Their only hope to survive as a company was to release a high quality tablet style PDA with the specs of the Zodiac 2 or better. Basically, this would be like the CLIE TH55 but with specs for the power user. Tapwave could have taken a HUGE chunk of sales from the Tungsten T3/5 market with such a PDA. But now it looks like they're burning through their startup money and feel they can't afford a new model. In reality they can't afford NOT to put out a new model. Judging from the sad state of the Tapwave displays at most CompUSSRs I've seen, Tapwave is not long for this world. Many of Palm's people are lurkers here at Palminfocenter. They come here to see what people REALLY think about their products. Some of those lurkers are individuals that have made/are making the decisions that are destroying Palm. Hopefully they'll wake up in time to undo this damage before the platform goes under for good. Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
For all we know, it may be an old prototype of a TREO with a non-RIM-patent infringing keyboard design. Didn't RIM have a patent on the shape of the buttons on the Blackberry? RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?AdamaDBrown @ 3/13/2005 4:57:39 PM #
VOR, due to the mismanagement of the Palm platform, PalmOS's superiority is nowhere near as assured as you seem to think. Something that many people here fail to realize is that PocketPCs have made vast increases in speed, stability, and usability in the last few years. They have superior multimedia, displays, gaming, wireless, fonts, internet, and expansion. And they have roughly equal battery life, stability, speed, and size. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy PalmOS, but it's this General Custer attitude of inherent superiority that's resulting in the downfall of the platform. BadBob, no, RIM claimed to have a patent covering any QWERTY thumb keyboard on a wireless device. I don't believe it had anything to do with the shape of the buttons. Besides, this can't be very old at all, since HTC didn't get into the Treo line until the 650. RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
If you bought a Zodiac as a gaming device only to see them go out of business in three months, how would you feel? Pissed off, because that's exactly what I've done. The fact their debut PDA was quite an unusual design with some interesting features shows that they can innovate and hopefully the Zodiac 3 will be a high end device. This could get them a long way - provided they can bring better marketing to bear (as you said about the TW stand) and providing they don't leave too long a gap. If they can do all this, it could put P1 in a very awkward position. RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
VoR, Do you have a short position in PSRC? If so you may become independently wealthy or poor. If not, then you're really not to sure about your Palm-bashing. Everybody loves easy money, right? RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?voice of chaos @ 3/14/2005 9:05:36 AM #
My theory: PalmSource is not just betting on "Palm OS on Linux" but also on mLinux/mFone/mEtc. as another revenue stream (and one that, combined with current Palm OS licensee revenue, can potentially help keep them afloat until "Palm OS on Linux" exists). RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
AdamaDBrown, according to RIM's patent (6,452,588), it mentions the shape of the buttons and even their orientation. The existing TREO's have ovalish angular buttons while the leaked photo has less oval and non-angular buttons. Perhaps this prototype is a future TREO that requires at least one less patent license payment to RIM. Or maybe HTC finds these buttons cheaper/better/nice-looking. ---------------------------------------------- http://tinyurl.com/69l4j Hand-held e-mail device Abstract RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?AdamaDBrown @ 3/15/2005 2:01:27 AM #
Well, either way, I don't think it's a keyboard thing. That patent was as weak as wet tissue paper, for one thing, and for another Palm (back when they were Palm) paid off RIM to avoid having to spend lawyer money on getting the patent tossed out. I don't think that they would be worrying now about the shape of their buttons. RE: O where, O where has my Little Cobalt gone?
Cobalt was released December, 2003.
It's now March, 2005. Bupkis. Nada. Zilch. PalmLinux cannot realistically be engineered into a stable OS until at least 2006, more likely 2007. PalmSource is losing revenue sources steadily. Its licencee list is looking anemic. Sony - gone. Garmin - going. HandEra - gone. AlphaSmart - moribund. Samsung - eVAPORated. pa1mOne - about to start suckling Windows flavored Kool-Aid from Bill Gates' nasty teat. Old contracts (with cheap licence fees) are not a sustainable business model. WTF is PalmSource going to do to survive?
I'd write both P1 and PSRC up
Poor quality performance, excessive outsourcing, failure to deliver results, failure to keep promises, too many infractions that I have to name. Anyone agree with me here?
Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourselfThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/12/2005 8:35:43 PM #
Dear Palm, I've been using PalmOS PDAs since the beginnings of the OS. You have the best PDA OS available. PLEASE stop this madness! Why are you attempting to destroy the platform? Why are you trying to commit suicide? Why is it so difficult for you to produce a decent PDA? Why is it that you don't care about quality control? Why can't you simply make basic quality devices like the Palm V and Palm III anymore? Is the Sony CLIE TH55 the best PDA we will ever see running PalmOS? Why? Michael Mace should be ashamed! Was the hope drunk wherein you dressed yourself? Does anyone at Palm care anymore? Have they all given up? Will Palm EVER release another quality PDA? Ryan, we really need to find out if Palm has thrown in the towel. Their actions in recent months suggest they have. How could things have gotten so bad so quickly? Is it time for us all to give up on Palm? This is pathetic.
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RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourselfAdamaDBrown @ 3/13/2005 6:28:10 PM #
Things haven't gotten this bad this quickly. It's a long period of apathy, sloth, and incompetance that has put the Two Palms and the platform in general where they are--things are just coming to a head now. Palm/PalmOne's blatant assumption that they would always be the market leader, and their subsequent willingness to mail it in with regard to new product development. The 'We know best' hubris that brought Palm/P1/PSRC to the table late or not at all with fast processors, multimedia, replacable batteries, WiFi, dual expansion... on and on. The debacle surrounding Cobalt, which for all rights should have been out with the promised features two years ago, and PSRC's subsequent shell games. And last but not least, PalmOne's apparent sneering disregard for the customer, given their attitude of "You don't need that. Take what we give you and be grateful." This is as much about mind-share as it is about anything else. Remember the nightmare surrounding the release of the Tungsten T without an MP3 player, and all Palm's promises and foot-shuffling in that incident? It's the same story, with different names, as the drivers for the Sandisk WiFi card, or Palm OS Cobalt, or the NVFS fix for the Treo 650. Every time this happens, the Palm companies and the Palm platform are looked on a little less favorably by the customers. A little more out of touch. Look at the people around here--Palm loyalists to a fault, many have lost faith because of the endless stream of failures. Failures due not to the limits of technology, or to risky business moves, but due to systemic apathy and hubris on the part of the companies that create the platform. PalmOne and PalmSource need to be shaken up and be made agressive or else they'll remain stagnant and eventually be eliminated. It's an agressive marketplace. Adapt or die. RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourselfThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/14/2005 12:13:59 AM #
I agree with almost everything you said, but to be honest, I'd rather use my 5 year old TRGpro than the latest all-singing, all-dancing PPC model. PalmOS just simply works better for my needs than PPC. Yes, PPC is improving, but it still takes too many steps to do basic things that are intuitive on PalmOS. Even though PalmOS 5 has been pushed too far, it's still more stable than PPC in my experience. And that's even though I've got so much junk (from ancient black + white apps to the latest - unstable - betas) loaded on my CLIE that I probably see more crashes than the average PalmOS user. Palm should be very worried, though - I expect only a minority of PalmOS users will remain faithful to the platform if the hardware continues to lag so far behind PPC. Also, adding a few simple utilities (like WisBar) removes a LOT of the PPC UI headaches from the equation. It won't be long before Microsoft figures this out and fixes their UI problems. Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourselfAdamaDBrown @ 3/14/2005 3:37:38 PM #
For me, the PalmOS nostalgia is for the Sony NX80. Needed a D-pad, and more RAM, but still a sweet machine. All the more reason that the Two Palms need to compete. The market would be boring without options. I *love* WISbar. Specifically, the classic 1.4 version. I still use it even though it's not VGA aware, because it's the best UI supplement and title-bar add-on I can find. Maybe I'm finicky, but I never got on well with the 'Advanced' versions. RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourselfThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/15/2005 9:35:53 PM #
Microsoft would have been wise to integrate WisBar into the PPC OS. I actually makes PPCs bearable.
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RE: Dear Palm, PLEASE stop trying to destroy yourself
PalmSource and/or P1 and/or Tapwave would be wise to integrate Graffiti 1 back into POS. It makes having to put up with a patched-together OS and crummy hardware close to bearable.
Oh, and for that reason above, I'd rather get nostalgic for a NR70 or an NX70 than an NX80 ;-)
Oh, please.
C'mon, now. People have been predicting "OMG OHNOES PALM DYING TEH END IS NEAR" ever since the Palm V had a different serial port type from its predecessors. At least six years. Can we please learn to just put this damned apocalyptic skepticism behind us and move on? (Or at the very least PIC really ought to allow one to filter out comments from certain usernames.) RE: Oh, please.
Oh, and for those pointing to Microsoft looming over the horizon and "look what they did to Netscape": Netscape lasted only four years versus MS. 1995-1999. Palm's various permutations have lasted over twice that - nine years, 1996-2005. Details: Going by "effective MSFT competition", then, Netscape lasted three years to Palm's six (and counting). MS can't quite crush Palm the same way it did Netscape - Netscape was defeated because MSIE could be thrown right into the OS. It was already in the consumer's posession. The only way it could do this with Windows Mobile would be to include a new PDA in each Windows box. I think Palm's still got a bit of fight left in them. RE: Oh, please.
Thank christ someone said what was on my mind. I'm not blind enough to say things are going swimmingly for PalmOne but I'm not about to start sharpening my Corporate Sickle(TM) yet either. Yours, G.Reaper RE: Oh, please.
viqsi,
Instead of asking the whiners to leave, ask these losers, "Why are you still here?" If they genuinely believe PalmOne and PalmSource are doomed, they would put their Palm handhelds in a drawer, leave the Palm internet forums, buy a competing handheld and start participating in the internet forums for the competing handheld. Voice Of Reason: PalmOne and PalmSource have let you down. They have failed you. Let go. Microsoft or Research in Motion will welcome your conversion with open arms. Save yourself from the pain. Eric Lyons
How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Maybe, this will be a new Treo for the spring line up featuring 5.whatever . The added Windows Mobile thing the guy stated in the post may be a lie or wrong. Oh and hopefully the Treo 650 verizon version rumor is true because i want one soo badly. The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?VampireLestat @ 3/13/2005 7:31:21 PM #
I had enough of this. I no longer trust Palm. Here are my concerns: - Palm Inc. splitting into PalmOne and PalmSource. Well Mr. Colligan, I agree with you that WM is the future. You go right ahead and make your Treo 670. I will buy the new HP HX2700 and make sure I never ever buy a PalmOne product again. YOU are mainly to blame for Palm OS' undoing and I will not support you with a single penny. If Palm was smart, they would fire Colligan, halt Treo 670 WM development, reunite Palm Inc., bring Dataviz on as a closer partner to ensure continued and better Microsoft Office integration on Palm OS. Put all resources into OS 6, put more money into making tiny high performance home/multimedia entertainment devices. Make the device the size of the HP 4150, put WiFi, a replaceable battery, add a video coprocessor, an OLED screen, a cradle with every unit, etc. When consumers walk into the store, the salespeople should be able to easily use this kind of sales pitch: "Get a Palm. It is faster than WM, it is easier, it offers photo like screen quality, you can store your family pictures, a free DivX encoder/player comes with the unit, you can even play high quality MP3s, like on the iPOD. You also get a cradle, WiFi, full Microsoft Office support, and it is tiny in size that it can even fit in a shirt pocket. It is a complete multimedia device on top of being a great organizer!". Right now, salespeople usually push PPCs because everyone knows and trusts the Windows brand name. Apple was able to survive the Microsoft behemoth by being relentless in their creativity and will to survive. Palm does not currently have that spirit. Making a Treo 670 simply shows that Colligan and company are out to make an easy and quick buck, regardless if it means undermining their core product. The focus on Treos disappointed me, the turn to PalmLinux worried me and now the move to a Windows Mobile Treo has confirmed my gut feeling that Palm is not around for long. At this point, I will put up with HP and Windows Mobile drawbacks until Microsoft irons out the problems with WM2005 and on. I trust Microsoft. I don’t trust PalmOne/PalmSource/Colligan. I had enough and am moving on. RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
yeah I'm going to have to move on too. It's true that palm has come a long way since the days of dragonball and black and white based Palm V's. But we're no longer in the early days of PDA's where only solid PIM mattered -and people were willing to pay more for a Palm with less just because it was Palm. And while it's nice to root for the underdog that has lasted so long when other MS competitors such as Netscape and Wordperfect couldn't...come on already. Sony Clie is gone, palm1 can't compete on hardware, nothing with palmos6 after soooo long...this isn't funny anymore. And I guess this means "Be" is really really REALLY dead this time RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Holy shiit, you know it's over when the Vampire finally loses faith. We've finally reached capitulation. To the last one out - please turn off the lights. Good night. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=PSRC&t=2y RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?VampireLestat @ 3/13/2005 11:24:14 PM #
Hi Gekko, 15 minutes ago, I bought a Dell X50v for 399$ Canadian. There are having a shocking 1 day sale of 200$ off and free shipping. I got with a spare 1100ma battery. Although I bought the PPC, I want to reiterate my opinion that the PalmOne Tungsten T5, overall, is the world's best PDA (as per my criteria and vision of what a PDA should be). Its build is high quality, the screen is fantastic, the buttons are great, etc. The speaker on the back, no cradle and the lack of wifi are problems however. I bought the X50v because of all the reasons I listed above. I also want to invest a lot of time in programming for handhelds, and I needed to know that the OS I chose would be around for many years. Microsoft isn't going away any time soon. PalmOne/PalmSource/Colligan are responsible for shaking consumer confidence. Rule #1 in capitalism: Ensure consumer confidence. Anyways, I feel terribly sad after placing my Dell order, but I know I had to make a tough decision to move on. See you on the PPC Brighthand forums. Lestat RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/14/2005 1:03:11 AM #
15 minutes ago, I bought a Dell X50v for 399$ Canadian. There are having a shocking 1 day sale of 200$ off and free shipping. I got with a spare 1100ma battery. 1) How did you get that price??? 2) You'll be back.
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RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Vampirelestat Clearly you did your research, else you would not have bought the extra battery for the Dell, but its a pity, having complained of the poor hardware of the Palm side, you did not go for the best pocketpc PDA around currently, that being the Loox 720. Its got a 1640 mAh battery, VGA screen, is very thin and conservatively styled (so it fits in a suit well), it has wifi and Bluetooth (of course) and has consumer IR and USB host (so you can easily connect it to keyboards, memory thumb sticks and external hard drives), special extra speaker for voice over ip and is currently judged by most comparisons to be the best pocketpc around. And it comes with a cradle ;) http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/vga-comparing-en.shtml Surur RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Ps: Forgot to mention that it has 128Mb ram +32Mb safe-store rom. Plus its actually the same size at the T5 is thinner, and has dual slots (CF and SDIO) in the same depth.
Surur RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
The real vampires here at the Palm execs (current & former) who, long after the teat of Palm has been suckled dry of milk, are now draining it of its last drops of lifeblood. The PPC Treo will merely be a reanimated corpse that shambles around for a while trying to make everything think that P1 still has some "life" left to it. I think that the next 30 days will be very interesting ones (note that I didn't necessarily say "interesting" in a positive connotation) and will basically give the ultimate picture of what is to happen to the OS & the hardware side of Palm. In short, I wouldn't even be surprised if what TVoR said earlier is true (Sprint ponied up the $ to sway P1 into making a PPC Treo) so that that horse can be ridden a while longer before it too expires. RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
VampireLestat, the cheerleader of the T5, dropped real $$$ on a Dell PPC?! What, you couldn't have at least waited til APRIL? March is the month p1 usually announces stuff. As for the dearth of leaks (aside from the TE2): 1) Maybe people no longer care enough to dig for leaks? 2) Maybe, even worse, the TE2 and WinMobbed Treo are all that's coming! Wake me up again when Jobs announces the "iBook mini"... RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Mike, you could always close your eyes, cross yer fingers and toes, and wish really hard that there's also (hah!) a #3: #3--P1 has something huge up their sleeve and they are taking unprecedented measures to keep quiet about it because they want to take the world by surprise in a week or two when they announce it. Of course, that strategy doesn't apply nowadays like it did back in '01 and '02. Back then, Palm Inc. had super-early leaks of the m5xx series and the T|T and it stole the thunder from their existing mainstream offerings at the time. Now, however, with daily defections to the PPC camp and elsewhere, they need all of the positive vibes they can muster. A leak of some DECENT hardware right now would work wonders for the short term outlook of P1! RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?AdamaDBrown @ 3/14/2005 3:41:55 PM #
VoR, Dell has been having one of their good sales again lately, this time for the Canucks. Pay no attention to the Surur behind the curtain. ;) You get some trade-offs either way. With the Loox 720, you lose the i2700G 3D accelerator/video decoder, the 128 MB internal flash, the 624 MHz processor, and the excellent price point. In return, you get a bigger standard battery, USB Host, and 128 MB RAM. That's pretty much the gist of it. Both of them have CIR and specialty VOIP capabilities. Mike, I wouldn't be surprised to also see a Zire of some type in the spring lineup, but P1 does--with the noted exception of the TC--have a history of releasing low-end and mid-range models in the spring. We might not even see this Treo until summer or fall. As for anything else, well, PalmOne is very bad at keeping secrets. RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Well, the thing is, the low end of the lineup is already in pretty good shape with the Z31 & Z72. Other than a bigger battery or the Athena connector, all the Zire 72 needs is a price drop to keep it competitive. The Zire 31 is fine as-is but since the 21 is departing, there might be another super-cheap model in the works (unlikely) or the 31 may drop down to $120ish officially. P1 has had an entire year of relatively low-end underwhelming launches. I expect this to continue this spring (T|E2 and nothing else). If P1 have ANYTHING whatsoever left up their sleeve, it'll launch this fall. If October passes without any exciting announcements, then it's time to stick a fork in them. I still don't put any faith in the rumors of Dell wanting to enter the smartphone market as the whole subsidized pricing structure & the entanglement of the carriers doesn't mesh with Dell's usual "sell the latest tech for x% below the competition" mentality. Yes, a PPC Treo is coming. No, I don't think Dell is involved. Sprint or Verizon are far more likely candidates. The stories about there being BT issues with the PPC Treo wouldn'g bother Verizon a bit as they have no commitment or concern for BT functionality in the slightest, as evidenced by the V710 fiasco. RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/14/2005 4:55:25 PM #
VoR, Dell has been having one of their good sales again lately, this time for the Canucks. Pay no attention to the Surur behind the curtain. ;) You get some trade-offs either way. With the Loox 720, you lose the i2700G 3D accelerator/video decoder, the 128 MB internal flash, the 624 MHz processor, and the excellent price point. In return, you get a bigger standard battery, USB Host, and 128 MB RAM. That's pretty much the gist of it. Both of them have CIR and specialty VOIP capabilities. At the equivalent of just $300 US, the Dell X50v will look VERY attractive to a lot of people. Dell must be "dumping" their hardware to achieve marketshare and/or sales of its mainstream products. Even I'd be willing to pick one up at that price just to play with VoIP and to use as a wireless web browser! I never did find how he got that price, though. You said elsewhere that I'm wrong in saying Palm has a clear advantage over PPC in terms of OS. Get serious. Have you really ever USED a PPC device? Mike Cane: will you please show her the error of her ways? I think USB Host ability is one of the Holy Grails for PDAs. I'm amazed that Fujitsu includes it and others don't. That alone would be enough to sway the decision to the Loox, if only it wasn't twice as expensive as the Dell (on sale). "The Zen way is the only way, Grasshopper." - TVoR
Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Did I mention the Loox 720 has one of the rarities of pocketpcdom, a jog dial? Nothing better to turn pages in eReader with. BTW, the loox has a DEDICATED small speaker in the earphone position, and a larger one at the bottom. With the right voip software the large speaker will switch of and you can use the loox like a phone. The Dell does not have a dedicated speaker. Of course there is no perfect pocketpc, but in the balance of features the Loox 720 leads the lot. To upgrade the Dell to 128Mb RAM costs $200. The USB host cable is included, and it works with an ipod/ipod mini/iriver without modification, allowing you to watch video stored on their hard drives. If you already have an ipod it puts the Loox ahead of the Dell (even with the very good video accelerator), in that you wont have to buy an expensive large memory card. The loox is not the cheapest, but it still leads in value for money. I nearly forgot to mention the built-in 1.3 megapixel camera with flash. Of course its crap, but most of them are. Of course, like everything (accept HP pocketpc's) you get what you pay for. Surur RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?AdamaDBrown @ 3/14/2005 6:50:40 PM #
Even I'd be willing to pick one up at that price just to play with VoIP and to use as a wireless web browser! I never did find how he got that price, though. It was one of the '10 Days of Deals' that Dell has been running. It was supposed to be the 12th only, but it also worked on the 13th. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=18&threadid=449124 You said elsewhere that I'm wrong in saying Palm has a clear advantage over PPC in terms of OS. Get serious. Have you really ever USED a PPC device? Yes, frequently. As a matter of fact, I have an Axim X50v. Aside from tradeoffs and ideosyncracies that you'll have to deal with to a greater or lesser extent no matter what device you get, I'm quite happy with it. Sure, some people may find PocketPCs unbearable, or distasteful, or just not appealing. That's fine. I can't stand cable news or country music. It's the reason we have choice. But to hear some people here tell it, no one could possibly ever like PocketPC, anyone who uses it is either stupid or crazy, and the sales of millions of PPCs per year is some kind of nasty dream. Truth is, some people feel as strongly positive about PocketPC as you do about PalmOS, because it just works for them. That's why we need genuine competition, so that everybody can be happy. Oh, and I'm a him, by the way. RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?
Vampire, I've had a x50v for several months. Put on a good Today Plug in, download se_vga (for FREE), and you'll be amazed at what PIM functions can be done. For simple people, simple products, but if you need to be able to manage a LOT of PIM data at the same time, I think you'll find your new pda to be well up to the task. Yes, it is a different OS. No, it's NOT like Palm, and Yes, they designed it that way. :) RE: How do we know that the new Treo will run WM?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/15/2005 9:39:53 PM #
It was one of the '10 Days of Deals' that Dell has been running. It was supposed to be the 12th only, but it also worked on the 13th.
Yeah - I figured it out yesterday. I actually tried to order one on the 13th, but the discounted price wasn't showing up. As a matter of fact, I have an Axim X50v. Aside from tradeoffs and ideosyncracies that you'll have to deal with to a greater or lesser extent no matter what device you get, I'm quite happy with it. Sure, some people may find PocketPCs unbearable, or distasteful, or just not appealing. That's fine. I can't stand cable news or country music. It's the reason we have choice. But to hear some people here tell it, no one could possibly ever like PocketPC, anyone who uses it is either stupid or crazy, and the sales of millions of PPCs per year is some kind of nasty dream. Truth is, some people feel as strongly positive about PocketPC as you do about PalmOS, because it just works for them. That's why we need genuine competition, so that everybody can be happy. People that prefer PPC aren't stupid or crazy. Just "misguided". Oh, and I'm a him, by the way. Sorry 'bout that.
Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
PocketPC Version
A friend of one of my friend had placed his hand on a working model (with dummy part in wireless module and malfunctioned battery charging module ) and shooted a few pictures which he had ever showed to me on the dim screen of an IBM T42 notebook. I could clearly identify its Pocket PC interface which was similar with that of HP 6500 except that the resolution is 320 by 320. That's all I could say here. A guy from China. RE: PocketPC VersionAdamaDBrown @ 3/14/2005 3:50:45 PM #
As far as I am aware, Windows Mobile doesn't support 320 x 320. Valid square resolutions are 240 x 240 and 480 x 480. RE: PocketPC Version
320x320 is supposed to be possible and the OP's comments abuot the sameness to teh hp6500's screen meets with what i gathered from some investigating the last pics. antoinerjwright.com RE: PocketPC Version
Some of the newer PPCs tout a 480x640 screen. With a download called se-vga, one can really take advantage of the screen size. All good things... RE: PocketPC VersionThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 3/15/2005 9:25:44 PM #
Ummmm... I think the original post was supposed to be a joke, guys. Another guy from China. Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model) *************************************************************************************
RE: PocketPC VersionRhinoSteve @ 3/16/2005 4:16:46 PM #
Yup, April fool's is early this year but I'm not buying in on this joke. BubbaVoice, I'm sure have something to say here.
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Nintendo Update: PalmOS? No...
Doesn't look like it to me... It Begins. First Non-Game Titles for Nintendo DS RE: Nintendo Update: PalmOS? No...
Hmm. Until I see some true PIM apps, I won't be junking my Zodiac any time soon. As for Palm OS? It's looking increasingly unlikely - if software's already being dveloped for this then it must have an OS of sorts already, even if it is very basic.
Photo Editing Points
Why does the unit on the right have some serious cutting/pasting at the area arounf the "Treo" designation, over to the id#, and also in the top corners on the outside edges. The devices look real, but this is a editing job it seems. I don't believe the story of the Treo Central guy. The photos make no sense in light of his ... "a woman tried to sell me these" story. They definitely could be WinMobsters, but this story & pix don't gell imo. This one does tho ;-) RE: Photo Editing PointsAdamaDBrown @ 3/14/2005 6:57:52 PM #
I think what you're seeing is JPEG compression artifacts. They have a tendancy to form a 'box' around a detail that sits on a plain background. You can see the same thing around the upper buttons, and around the serial numbers. RE: Photo Editing Points
Repost from BargainPDA:
This much I can get some some image "tweaking." The screen is on just dimmed to the darkest and then the device is purposly put into poor lighting (aka, someone doesnt want to get caught with this). There are a few discernable icons at the top. There is a menu on the left side that says Last Call, one under that that says Call ????. It is a horozontal menu, something like the favs list on the 650. There is an icon menu at the bottom (possibly 4 icons). Looks just like the new iPaq setup. The resolution is probably then 240x240. One of those icons seems to be an Inbox like lcon, I cannot make out the third icon, the second and 4th are washed out. The second item under last call says Call Log It also seems that this pic was edited as there is some spong work on the screen area. The color intensity of the screen doesnt match the rest of the pic either.
PPC Treo is good for PalmOne
I can understand why some on this board would be upset if PalmOne released a Windows based Treo. But it would actually be a sound business decision. It's only logical to adopt other platforms to increase sales and hedge your bets with Palm OS. If less than half the market is buying Palm OS and the other half is buying MS, Symbian, etc, then why not appeal to both segments. Play both sides of the fence and sell as much as you can. I will applaud the individual at PalmOne that makes this decision. He or she will take a lot of heat from the Palm fanatics, but it's the right call at this point in time. It's a critical step to ensure long term viability. Hey VampireLestat last i checked you liked the T5
If i'm not mistaken aren't you the same guy who posted on Brighthand about the "T5 best handheld ever" thread? So why are you now saying that PalmOne is in a bad position? The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p RE: PPC Treo is good for PalmOneAdamaDBrown @ 3/15/2005 2:08:42 AM #
It is a move that has upsides, but the thing is that right now PalmSource is in a very weak position. They've lost almost all their licensees, they have an ongoing fiasco with Cobalt, and they've alienated their developer base with the continual confusion over the fate of the platform. PalmOne debuting a model running PocketPC would be seen as a vote of no confidence in PalmSource, and would drive more of the market to Windows devices. It would be good for PalmOne, because a Windows Treo would sell quite well, but bad for PalmSource since it would be a blow to their already shaky image. RE: PPC Treo is good for PalmOne
Last time I checked, PalmOne was not PalmSource's only licensee. Just because they had a special relationship in the past, does it mean that if PalmOne ships one new PPC device, that Palm OS is suddenly useless? Of course not. Most of PSRC's current licensees are relatively new companies, so they won't have PalmOne's back history of devices. But I still believe that there is room for Tapwave or the ever increasing GSPDA line to become a good source of Palm OS powered PDAs. All it takes is time... RE: PPC Treo is good for PalmOne
It has nothing to do with the perception of uslessness, but of what the market will garner about the PalmOS if a company with Palm in its name goes Windows. A good move for palmOne yes, but probably not the best move for smartphones as that will be a sign that we will end up with bloat phones with compromised security.
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Early April Fools!RhinoSteve @ 3/15/2005 2:12:24 PM #
I get it, this is an early April Fools joke! Well done! |
The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p