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Palm WandaRumor: TamsPPC blog has obtained and published a letter from Palm to select developer partners that includes mention and some scant details on two new upcoming device releases. TamsPPC has also posted a image of a "mock up" of an unspecified Palm device, that at the very least shows a new, yet familiar d-pad and keyboard design which could be taken from either of the unannounced devices.

The letter makes reference to two Palm device code-names: Zeppelin and Skywriter. Zeppelin is well known as a reference to the upcoming Treo 800w, expected shortly. The Skywritter, however, is new to us. Tam speculates that it may perhaps be a "Centro" like device running Windows Mobile 6.1. If that is indeed the case, this model could be somewhat related to the leaked "Wanda" information, which detailed Palm's expected Treo 500 successor (pictured at right).

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And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!

mikecane @ 5/7/2008 5:11:49 PM # Q
Well, that's it then.

Whew.

Steve Jobs can sleep easily now.

RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
Foo Fighter @ 5/7/2008 6:24:18 PM # Q
Another Colligan Killer from Palm.

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RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
bhartman34 @ 5/7/2008 6:48:40 PM # Q
I'm glad that's a WM device, because it takes ugly to a whole new level. Ugh....

RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
Ervool @ 5/7/2008 6:52:52 PM # Q
I was about to post the same.

Seems Palm has now left the PDA market. Should I buy a new TX as replacemente for my old TX?


RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
KultiVator @ 5/8/2008 1:22:00 PM # Q
I am in the same boat - my TX is getting old fast the digitiser is entering phantom characters in portrait mode - not ideal.

However, I'm going to sit tight for another month or two - and check out the first fruits of the iPhone / iPod Touch SDK programme... and how the 3G iPhone goes down when it's launched in June (or soon after).

Seems to me that Palm is a long way from where I want to go - and although Apple aren't quite there either, at least they are pushing in the right direction & have ambition, innovtion and momentum on their side. (Perhaps these attributes will help me get past the lack of a memory card slot!)

The future is interesting - as long as your not looking in Palm's direction!

RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
hkklife @ 5/8/2008 1:37:54 PM # Q
Yes, it would be a VERY wise move for everyone to go and do the following things ASAP:

1. Buy a TX (if you don't have one already). if you do have a TX, buy a spare unit (funds permitting) or at least an extra replacement battery/digitizer. Also grab a few spare styli and screen protectors while you're at it.

2. Get a 4GB SD 1.1 card (NOT SDHC) in case Dmitry Grinberg never finishes his SDHC driver for the TX. Barring that, get a few decent 2GB cards.

3. Download the latest versions of all of your registered apps and burn them onto CD/DVD or store them on a backup drive somewhere. Also note your reg codes (I do this once a year anyway).

Palm has not yet officially EOL'd any TX or E2 peripherals. And the Z22 has just had its travel charger and a few cases EOL'd. I think they'll stick around through at least the end of the summer. Palm will probably blow out the remaining stocks in some big back-to-school sales in Aug/Sept.

For what it's worth, Franklin Covey, Staples and Best Buy are still selling Palm PDAs and peripherals at retail here in the USA. I'm not sure about Office Max (haven't been in one in some time) or the few CompUSA stores still open under TigerDirect ownership or Fry's (don't have one near me). I know Circuit City and Office Depot dumped all of their Palm inventory a long time ago.

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RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
Gekko @ 5/8/2008 1:59:41 PM # Q

why in the world would you go out and buy a palm pda now? that's the silliest thing i've ever heard. did you go out and buy a VHS VCR or a CRT TV too? how about a rotary phone or a buggy whip? 8 track cassette? the world has moved on and so should you. technology marches on. stop living in the past! THE FUTURE IS NOW!

There's no reason to buy/manage/charge/carry/sync/fight/fumble with 2+ devices when ONE Smartphone can do it all.

RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
justauser @ 5/10/2008 6:41:08 PM # Q
Nah. What you do is you get your 'palminfocenter' domain, you drop the 'palm', and you take move the 'n' 2 characters forward. There you have it. Almost seamless cross over to the inevitable successor and we'll all look like we've been backing the winning team all along... almost....

RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
johnrohan @ 5/12/2008 3:38:08 PM # Q
Just to add my two cents, several people here are contemplating buying another TX to replace their aging ones. There are a couple of alternatives; the TX is not the only 480x320 device out there. If you check ebay, you can still buy a T3 or a Tapwave Zodiac, often in new condition for a very good price. Sometimes I'm amazed how low the prices are.

I don't have a T3, but I do have a Zodiac. It has several advantages over the TX: faster, real graphics processor, real joystick, more buttons, better form factor, two SD card slots, and many unique games for it (it still runs all normal palm programs). The downsides from the TX are: screen not as bright, you can't get rid of the white border, and no built in wi-fi (you can use a wi-fi SD card, however).

Generally, I use my TX for watching videos and internet surfing, and my Zodiac for games. And switching between the two means each one is getting half the amount of use, making them last longer. I also have one more as a backup unit. I figure it will be a long, long time until I no longer have a usable widescreen palm device. After several years (or hopefully much sooner), palm is bound to release another one.

RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
hkklife @ 5/12/2008 4:02:41 PM # Q
Good advice all around. I've had 'em all: T3, Zod 2, T5, LifeDrive, & TX. While the Zodiac's rock-solid build quality, generous battery life, and huge LCD are huge pluses, it's also important to keep in mind that the TX is a "current" device that makes the most sense for a business-type user and/or someone concerned about the best PIM experience and widespread software compatibility.


Just in case anyone who hasn't been following the device history of the past few years is reading this....there are definitely a few reason to go with a new TX over a used T3/Zod/T5 etc:

-Fully Vista compatible version of Palm Desktop
-None of the Zod's lingering compatibility issues
-"Tweaked" Palm PIM (not PalmSource) apps
-Standard Blazer & VM (better than Tapwave's PalmSource Mail)
-Still supported/under warranty (the ONLY 320x480 PalmOS device that can claim this!)
-More pocketable than the Zod
-Better stylus than the Zod
-Many, many more available accessories
-Newer OS/software bundle
-Standard wi-fi
-Can use 4gb SD 1.1 cards. And Dimtry's SDHC driver is supposedly still in the works

It's funny how T3 and Zodiac prices have dropped recently. 1.5-2 years ago, a mint condition example of either device would bring top dollar.

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RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
johnrohan @ 5/12/2008 8:50:28 PM # Q
Actually, you can use the Zodiac with the latest version of Palm Desktop with no problem at all, even in Vista. You don't have to use the one that shipped with the device. There is also a fan-generated driver to allow the use of 4gb SD cards.

But yes, you have to live without warranty with any older device. But the tradeoff is the lower price. The lifedrive is another option I should have mentioned - a great unit with a voice recorder to boot, although a little bulky for my taste.

RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
hkklife @ 5/12/2008 9:09:15 PM # Q
Ah, thanks for the heads up. I'm delighted to hear the Zod is still usable under Vista and 4gb SD compatible. With that kind of support from the community, imagine where we might be now had Palm picked up the remnants of Tapwave for pennies on the dollar and kept their best & brightest working on a line of media-centric PDAs/PMPs/smartphones.

Looking back, I wish I had kept my Zod but, alas, I had to fund the great 700p effort of '06 and it really was just TOO big for the pocket, so off she went...



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RE: And so the PDA is dead. Long live the iPod Touch!
mikecane @ 5/12/2008 10:08:10 PM # Q
>>>he lifedrive is another option I should have mentioned - a great unit with a voice recorder to boot, although a little bulky for my taste.

The LifeDrive is crap. My has CF instead of HD and it's STILL crap.

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Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...

SeldomVisitor @ 5/7/2008 7:17:20 PM # Q
...a mockup, huh?

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Looks to me like Palm is trying the same old, same old to try to generate buzz when they're being clobbered on a daily basis with The Damn Competition releases.

Got a lot of press, have to admit!

Lol!

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
hkklife @ 5/7/2008 7:24:39 PM # Q
Giggle indeed!


So....anyone wanna go out on a limb and bet that these are two/three Q3 '08 WM models are the FINAL devices from Palm Inc. that will be ever be released?



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RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
TrafficGeek @ 5/7/2008 8:03:48 PM # Q
The last device from Palm has already been released...
RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
hkklife @ 5/7/2008 8:24:27 PM # Q
Can you elaborate on this?? Are you conjecturing or have some insider info? If so, do tell!



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RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
twrock @ 5/8/2008 9:03:34 AM # Q
Kris, I have it from a very reliable source the the Skywriter is none other than a high-end WiMax PDA! It's got an OLED 640x480, 3.5 inch touchscreen and a slide out keyboard (ala Nokia 810). Although designed for cloud computing, this thing has 4 gb of built-in storage and has micro SD expansion as well (compatible with at least most 8 gb cards that comply with the SDHC spec). Dimensions are similar to the TX, although a bit thicker (no surprise there). Another "no surprise" is the color combination: black with stainless steel trim. Here's the kicker though: it's got USB host capability! (But of course devices like hard drives will require their own power source.) Pricing information is sketchy still, but my source says Palm is doing everything it can to keep this thing under $400 and are hoping for something like $349.

OS? Nova, of course! The hackers over at Palm have all been working overtime to secretly deliver the next gen OS long before anyone expected them to.

You might have thought the Palm was done with PDA's, but they were just waiting until the rest of the technology caught up with their road map before finally releasing it.

So there you have it. And you know I wouldn't make this stuff up.


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RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
BaalthazaaR @ 5/8/2008 10:13:12 AM # Q
And you know I wouldn't make this stuff up

HAHAHAHAHA! Very funny. I had a good laugh. Okay I don't really know you well enough since I'm fairly new to this board. Forgive me if I don't believe you, but it just sounds like you listed 70% of the laundry list of features that we've been asking for for years. And I have as much faith in Palm under Colligan as I do in Santa Claus.

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
bhartman34 @ 5/8/2008 11:01:44 AM # Q
And I have as much faith in Palm under Colligan as I do in Santa Claus.

You should probably have more faith in Santa Claus. Unlike Palm, at least Santa Claus causes some excitement every year! ;)

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
SeldomVisitor @ 5/8/2008 11:18:22 AM # Q
BTW - the CFO today said (repeated?) the "core OS" is what is promised to be delivered by year end.

Thus Palm can EASILY say "User interface!? We never said that was coming by year end!".

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
hkklife @ 5/8/2008 1:17:06 PM # Q
Ron;

That's still not good enough. I want fullsize SDHC AND onscreen Graffiti 1 :-)

I assume the mantle of "Hypothetical Palm Device Wet Dream Creator" has been passed down to you from the good Reverend Horne?



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RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
bhartman34 @ 5/8/2008 2:17:13 PM # Q
BTW - the CFO today said (repeated?) the "core OS" is what is promised to be delivered by year end.

Thus Palm can EASILY say "User interface!? We never said that was coming by year end!".

Since when does an OS not include a user interface? They might be able to get by by withholding a graphic user interface, but that's even a stretch. Not even Microsoft would consider that a core OS release.

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
SeldomVisitor @ 5/8/2008 2:19:12 PM # Q
> ...Since when does an OS not include a user interface?...

We need Cervesas to come back and lecture you about kernels....

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
bhartman34 @ 5/8/2008 2:58:54 PM # Q
We need Cervesas to come back and lecture you about kernels....

I'm more than willing to be educated, if need be, but I'm pretty sure an OS contains a lot more than just the kernel. Simply having the Linux kernel (to take one example) on your system doesn't give you the ability to do anything with it, if you don't have programs that can take input and give output.

I could see "core OS" meaning the kernel and some very basic apps (maybe the standard PIM apps and a simple touchscreen interface), but that's about as "core" as Palm could go. Simply releasing code that boots up on a Palm and sits at a command line, impervious to the outside world, isn't going to cut it.

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
ktran @ 5/8/2008 3:43:07 PM # Q
I think in this case, the "core OS" being "delivered" doesn't necessarily mean "released to the general public," but rather "ready for the next stage of development," which could well mean that it might be a customised kernel only.

But of course, we're all speculating. Count me as a pessimist, though.


~k

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
hkklife @ 5/8/2008 4:00:37 PM # Q
Everyone remember the 2006-2007 Treo 700p ROM update saga, right?
Palm would frequently advise (to TC or on their blog) of the status of that patch but since it took over a year to get the final version of the patch developed, tested, and deployed, many frustrated users just jumped ship and never looked back. I don't remember the exact process, but it through a number of vague status wordings from Palm. From "development" to "internal testing" to "troubleshooting" to "certification" to "carrier testing" to "qualification" to "approval process" ad infinitum. And then there was the intermidable wait on the LifeDrive fix...and the T|T5 fix alongside the first few Treo 650 fixes.

And some of the old-timers here will remember the loooong wait for the m500 line when in actuality all we were waiting for was for Palm to unload warehouses full of unsold Palm Vx's and IIIxe's. So Palm has been known to make an anticipated "something" sound like it's just right around the corner but, more often than not, that "something" is still quite far from being reality.

So, yeah, I am basically in agreement with SV & Ktran. Heck, I still harbor a number of doubts that Palm will ever ship a device running Nova...

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RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
SeldomVisitor @ 5/8/2008 4:18:18 PM # Q
I want to clarify whatever I may have typed unclearly about Palm, Nova, and new devices using Nova.

I sincerely believe the Nova "release" this year, if it even happens, will be WAY far from a usable version. This belief is because of those "core" words as well as the huge number of job openings at Palm (*) AND because of the words of the CFO today about all senior management people in the product development organization being totally different from a year ago.

The CFO's words that changed (at least our perception of timeframe of) the timing of new devices with Nova from "early 2009" to "1st half 2009" reinforce my belief that it's a long way to a finished device and maybe a REALLY long way to a finished SET of devices that mutually communicate, if that particular wish-to-see of mine was ever in the stars anyway.

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(*) I've commented before, maybe not here though, about the alrge number of (especially) user interface designers/developer job openings at Palm that, if STILL being filled as I type THIS, have NO WAY to design and develop "breakthrough UI" designs by end of this year...we won't discuss by "1st half 2009" yet...giggle.

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
SeldomVisitor @ 5/8/2008 4:53:16 PM # Q
BTW - the CFO was totally unambiguous about the number of OSes PALM was going to have devices for.

Two.

No, not three.

Two.

Windows and Nova.

So any PalmOS that's gonna come out is gonna have to be third-party.

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
hkklife @ 5/8/2008 4:54:08 PM # Q
You know, I would't be surrpised to see Nova rolled out in two "waves" of devices.

Palm OS 5.0 appeared on the T|T and was still (ahem) a bit rough around the edges. It was refined considerably in the OS 5.2.x products (T|C, Zire 71, T|T2, T|T3, Zire 72) thatappeared over the next 18 months before reaching its "finished" state with 5.4.x (Treo 650-755p, TX, Z22, T|T5, Centro etc). I am, of course, leaving aside the numerous NVFS woes etc. for the purposes of this argument.

I speculated once before that Palm may take the path of less resistance and launch Nova on LOW-END HARDWARE FIRST. If Nova ever sees the light of day, I feel this really might end up being a plausiable scenario. The advantages of this strategy are several--minimal expectations from users/carriers, less challenging driver writing, and the lower resolution + cost screen/memory/hardware means much of the "core" Nova UI can be reused from Garnet.

What if Palm were to ship, say, one or two low-end smartphones (Centro 2, anyone?) sometime in Q2 '09 that basically mimics the Garnet UI and have a bare minimum hardware featureset (ie no wi-fi, no GPS, still 320x320 LCD etc)? Then they'd follow, say, 6-12 months after this with the first high-end Nova devices with the large screens, dual cameras, GPS, wi-fi, WiMax we're all clamoring for.

Basically, Nova 1.2 for Palm's iPhone-esque deices, Nova 1.0 for their Centro replacements.



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RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
hkklife @ 5/8/2008 5:03:53 PM # Q
"So any PalmOS that's gonna come out is gonna have to be third-party."

????????????????

You mean......some other hardware firm licensing Garnet from Access?

I am taking this to essentially mean "Palm Inc. supports TWO OSes (WM & Garnet) now (2008). Next year (2009) we will support TWO OSes (WM & Nova).

-Did Andy Brown mention anything about Garnet EOL and/or future Garnet-based devices?

-How about Garnet compatibility/an emulation layer in Nova?

-Did he discuss Centro (diminished margins, high sell-through volume etc) at all?

-What about more "me too" WinMob devices? Did he distinguish between Palm's devices designed in-house vs. outsourced/rebranded designs?

-Is there a transcript (audio or written) available of the presentation available anywhere yet?


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RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
SeldomVisitor @ 5/8/2008 5:16:42 PM # Q
The webcast is available in audio:

- http://www.veracast.com/webcasts/ml/tech08/33307191.cfm

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
TrafficGeek @ 5/8/2008 5:44:24 PM # Q
This thread is starting to read like a compendium of Palm Centric Science Fiction (or is it Fantasy since Gandolf is a character?)

The final PALM Device has been released, look at what you got, that's it. Some of the best PALM OS developers have announced their work on application for the iPhone SDK.

http://www.iampowered.com/archives/2008/03/11/iambic_titles_and_the_iphone_a.php

I currently am sticking w/PALM because of the software, less so of the hardware. With the SDK out for the JESUS Phone, the PALM developer community is leaving out of boredom and a shrinking market for more fertile grounds.

RIP Palm - too bad you had to drag Bono along

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
davep1 @ 5/8/2008 6:44:06 PM # Q
Much as it pains me, I have to agree. I'll probably upgrade my T5 to a TX soon and then hope for the best. The problem is that there is no good desktop PIM alternative. MS Outlook just doesn't cut it and Symbian's desktop software is worse.

BTW, if you are looking for a new Palm PDA, I'd move sooner rather than later. When I was shopping in Best Buy the other day, all the Northern Virginia stores were out of stock on the TX and the store I was in showed none on order and had a DNI (do not inventory) sticker on the shelf tag. Staples' website says they no longer stock them in their stores. Franklin Covey's website shows them as out of stock.

It's too bad. If the TX had just been released with a phone instead of a wifi connection, Palm could have stayed on the leading edge. Instead they played it safe (and clunky) with the Treo design.

RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
twrock @ 5/8/2008 7:38:51 PM # Q
I assume the mantle of "Hypothetical Palm Device Wet Dream Creator" has been passed down to you from the good Reverend Horne?

Oh no, may it never be! Pat not only has the visions, but he actually makes the devices in his basement tool shop, takes pictures of them and posts them here for us all to see. He is the true prophet and creator of the Palm dream.


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RE: Giggle...those 'launch developers' sure needed to see...
bhartman34 @ 5/8/2008 10:57:39 PM # Q
http://www.iampowered.com/archives/2008/03/11/iambic_titles_and_the_iphone_a.php

Interesting stuff...except for two things:

1) It's vaporware to an even greater degree than Nova, at this point.

2) The iPhone SDK doesn't allow developers to run software in the background. Pray tell, how are things like alarms, etc., supposed to work, if you can't run anything in the background? As things stand now, Agendus isn't even very convincing vaporware.

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New top-of-the-line BlackBerry doubles screen resolution

Gekko @ 5/12/2008 6:56:56 AM # Q

New top-of-the-line BlackBerry doubles screen resolution
RIM introduces new top-of-the-line BlackBerry with double the screen resolution, more memory
May 12, 2008: 12:04 AM EST

NEW YORK (Associated Press) - Research In Motion Ltd. on Monday is introducing its first major new BlackBerry model in more than a year: the Bold, a high-end model that further demonstrates the company's desire to make tools for both work and play.

The Bold, or 9000, has twice the screen resolution of the current Curve model, making for a very sharp display. It matches the resolution, but not the size, of the screen on Apple Inc.'s iPhone, which has emerged as a potent competitor in the "smart phone" category.

It also has much more internal memory, a glossy metallic look, and adds corporate-strength Wi-Fi capabilities to third-generation cellular and Bluetooth radios.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/apwire/af57d40395959ecf36d181a6636b8260.htm

http://www.blackberry.com/select/blackberrybold/


RE: New top-of-the-line BlackBerry doubles screen resolution
hkklife @ 5/12/2008 11:24:36 AM # Q
Aside from the touchscreen and the PIM apps, the new BB Bold has EVERY feature Palm users (both POS & WM) have been begging for since at least 2004.

GPS, wi-fi, a decent quality camera, a 480x320 LCD, a blazing fast CPU, a gig of internal storage and even 3.5mm headphone jack. Execs will be lining up to buy this thing at ANY price (assuming the battery life remains decent-which I doubt) and RIM can fix their service outage woes. And I wish they'd go ahead and do something about that horrid skinny font!

All I can say is that for Palm's sake the 800w had better come out VERY soon and be rock-solid out of the box. Otherwise, the 1-2-3-4 punch of iPhone 3G, BB Bold, Sony Xperia X1 and ZERO new product from Palm might finally be enough to put 'em down for the count.

P.S. The bold is also the most stylish QWERTY smartphone I've ever seen. Of course, in a category filled with one clunker after another, that isn't saying much but it's still a nice effort from the traditionally very stodgy RIM.

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Zeppelin? Even Palm knows they are going down in flames

scstraus2 @ 5/12/2008 8:15:49 AM # Q
Well, after 10 years of palm devices I just ordered my first WM, the samsung i780. Once there's an office suite for a 3g iphone I'll get that. Bye palm. At least you realize you are going down in flames.

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My new palm proposal

JPT|X @ 5/12/2008 10:28:50 AM # Q
My proposal: New Palm Treo 1000
keyboard gone, screen enlarged. Dpad, hard buttons still present
tactile response for onscreen keyboard
micro sd -include 1 gig card
ir on the front (bundle novii remote controller with it)
license tcpmp and include it with one movie installed-
upgrade blazer big time-give system enough memory to handle photos on page better, increase stability and add more compatibility.

good bluetooth
get astraware or someone to write a good game or two with online collaboration - maybe port mario kart ds
decent camera
bundle earbuds and adapter or just make media jack 3.5
add av/in av/out to rca- to play video on tv (add software to give decent reoolution image on screen with some black border)
increase build quality of connector or switch to mini or micro usb
license wapedia and give it an icon
Keep compatibility with old palm os programs
bundle vioce recognition
probably treo size not centro
$199 with plan


Also offer a TX 1000- same specs, bigger screen, add wifi and $10 a month voip option like skype.
$299 with $50 rebate for signing up for 2 years of skype.


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