Comments on: PalmSource Launches Palm Powered Mobile World in China

Better yet, when will dead or dying licensees be removed from Nagel's list? I mean, it's painfully obvious who's just treading water right now and unloading excess inventory. P1 is the ONLY licensee still actively developing & *releasing* new models in any volume.

It looks even worse when you consider the dreaded M word has 40 licensees and growing market share, vs. PalmSource's declining market share and dying licensees. PalmOS may not be dead but it's starting to smell like a Florida retirement home for elderly PDA makers.

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My Zodiac is even starting to develop arthritis. :-)

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Nagel has got to go!

That would be a great signal that at least PSRC was wanting to fight and survive.

China has great potential but with the current leader of the ship flubbing up the works how can it overtake those forty M word licensees and make a real fight?

New oppurtunity needs new leadership. It could make all the difference.

Nagel has got to go!

Where's Gekko to stir the pot on this one? He at least has to show up and say "Nagel's gotta Go", even if Dell, Fujitsu, HP & Motorola switched to Palm OS and dumped M$. :-D

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

Next PSRC conference will have the slogan "Hang Ten"!

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

Geeko can't talk right now (http://www.dennishollingsworth.us/images/dead-gekko.jpg), but if he could, I'm sure he'd say:

"Death can come swiftly to a market leader. By the time you have lost the positive-feedback cycle it's often too late to change what you've been doing, and all of the elements of a negative spiral come into play."
- Bill Gates, "The Road Ahead", Chapter 3

More "Words of Wisdom" from BubbaSteve here:

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7574

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Do people really think this is realistic though. If you are on a very limited budget the last thing you need is a PDA. The disparity between the functionality of a $200 PDA and a $400-500 desktop computer is huge. If I had to make a number called functionality units, a a POS handheld would be 5, a good pocketpc 10, and a cheap windows desktop 100. I'm sure people would argue about the exact numbers, and an expert can leverage any PDA to amazing heights of functionality, but for the average Joe a cheap desktop at double the price will do so much more.

The poor of Asia is not going to save PSRC.

Surur

>>>a POS handheld would be 5, a good pocketpc 10

There's no such thing as a "good PPC," so your argument is DOA to start with.

Mike, if you're contribute constructively to the discussion, sit down and be quiet.

The problem with the Chinese market is that it's difficult for any outside influence to break in to, and even local companies like GSPDA are put in a tight spot. The largest part of the Chinese market likes ultra-cheap cell phones, and making any kind of smartphone or converged device cheap is not easy. The high-end segment lets GSPDA get by, but it doesn't make for massive sales. If most people here in the U.S. can't afford smartphones, I doubt that the people in China are going to be able to either.

Don't be silly. Palm will never make a penny in China (or India, for that matter). No American companies can compete over there - the deck is too stacked against them. If PalmOS ever gets even the slightest toehold in the market, unlicensed knockoffs sporting stolen copies of PalmOS would flood the market literally OVERNIGHT, selling for 1/4 what a legitimate llicensed PDA would sell for. And guess which one Chinese consumers will buy? Don't believe me? Just ask a little company called Microsoft how difficult it is dealing with China. And Palm ain't no Microsoft.

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All the above points are valid and reasonable so then what is Nagel doing banking the company on China?

As I have said and will say again Nagel has got to go.

Nagel has got to go!

Duh 101.

China = cheeeeep labor.

So cheap labor- duh?

So what is Nagel going to do with the product in the US? He has already lost the market to MSFT. And Symbian could take anything PSRC has as it would be like stealing from a baby.

PSRC is dead without new markets to deploy a good product that can not be marketed as the device makers are not falling over themselves to use the cheaply produced PSRC product.

So who cares about cheap labor in China if you can not sell it anywhere?

China is the market everyone is fight to win. The shift to make quality products in China has already been made and China and India have beaten the rest of the world. Now the fight is to sell products to the those that are up and coming.

If Nagels plan is just to pay cheap wages to make software with market share it is as stupid as your comment Mike Cane!
Ben

My last sentence needed to say WITHOUT MARKETSHARE

I love it when you eejits froth at the mouth and in the one sentence that is supposed to deliver the "knockout punch" to me, you wind up egging your own face with an egregious typo. Keep up the stupid work!

Vicious. Just vicious.

The biotchslapping here is getting out of control!

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