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    Comments on: Palm LifeDrive ReviewThe LifeDrive is the first product from palmOne's new mobile manager category of products. This new class of device is the first PDA released domestically to include a built in hard drive. It's aim is to be a repository for your digital content, be that photos, movies, music or large volumes of office documents. Read on for the full review.
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Please, I'm NOT trying to start a flame war....but I too, am struggling with this same question. I'd be very interested in the previous posters thoughts and others. I'm concerned with the new LD's speed to start up the hard drive and wonder if the space can be done with compact flash, SD, etc. I'm looking for PIM, bluetooth, WIFI, music, MOVIES, primarly and have BOTH the LD and Dell Axim X50v on order. So, I know I'm on a Palm site, so go gentle and share your thoughts, please. RE: ...
Are you really interested in a Personal Information Manager (PIM) or a Personal Media Assistant (PMA)? The reason I ask is that Palm has one of the best convergence devices on the market, but it is not the LifeDrive it is the Treo 650. The Treo 650 is a true PIM. If you are looking for a true Personal Media Assistant, then also consider looking at the Archos Media Assistant: http://www.archos.com/products/overview/pma_400.html RE: ...Timothy Rapson @ 5/23/2005 10:18:44 AM #
Yep, the LifeDrive and the X50V are about the pinacles of the PDA world and may each represent the best PDAs their respective companies have ever produced. They now both support native format files and folders. They now both have hi-res full-size screens. They both now have a full set of applications. They offer remarkably similar value. They each now feature such simple features as screen rotation without rebooting, sleek exteriors, dual storage, WiFi, BlueTooth, etc. This is the toughest choice ever for PDA buyers. I won't be ready to upgrade for 6 months to a year. Wonder what these features will be available for by then? I think the race is coming down to price, price, price. Right now, the Axim goes for as little as $360. The LifeDrive will not be available for that price for some time. That might make your decision for you. RE: ...
>>>This is the toughest choice ever for PDA buyers. No it's not. You leave out the fact the PPC PIMs (bundled and 3rd-party) are all crap. No, wait: LESS than crap. Have fun missing all your appointments because the alarms don't go off. RE: ...
Talk about FUD. PPC PIM's are fully functional, and the super PIM's have won numerous awards. http://www.pocketinformant.com/awards.php Surur RE: ...
My alarms always go off on my Axim. Perhaps you just don't know how to operate the more powerful PDA's on the market. RE: ...
Dangle a little bait called Truth and the PPC weenies jump on the hook. They make fishing so easy! Let's see...HOW many PPCs are out there with NON-FUNCTIONING ALARMS? That you two happen to have bought THE NEWEST UNITS that might have (or even might not have) fixed that problem doesn't mitigate the fact that MOST PPCs in service DO have that problem. And it's been PPC weenies who have posted about it! Next! RE: ...
Lifedrive is a better choice, if you need better reliability. You will need to reset only if some kind of bad application will hang, and not each time you use your PDA for more than hour (which is Windows memory issue on desctops or PDA's). About same difference and Win-Mac. HDD spin, as I've seen on Life Drive is almost same delay as in windows, when you run any application for the first time after reset. Better battery on LD. If it uses HDD - about same (about 7 hours mp3's you can get on LD and on 50v. if 50v works on 208Mhz=). But if you work with SD or cached PIMs - LD works longer, as it's 416 mhz, 1650mah vs 624mhz, 1100mah. 3D on 50v is advertised feature, but it is supported by 2 games only and probably will not be supported any more. Dell with CF Microdrive for 4Gb (16g) costs more and weights more. And Dell will not work as flash drive, because transferring files through ActiveSync is very slow, so you need reader and additional wires-moves. After having TCPMP player Palm becomes in par on video playback with PPC. Other soft is mostly better and-or faster on POS. LD works with images much faster than Dell (seen it in some reviews). RE: ...
Also LD's screen is bigger. Though it's not VGA, but HVGA. I wonder which LD's lowest brightness is, as it's too bright to read-see movies in dark on Axim. (look: http://www.hpc.ru/lib/arts/2116/low.jpg). RE: ...
Some of your points are valid, but especially for video the Dell Axim x50v is the best device. You can take movies directly from your desktop at almost any resolution and play it without trans coding. Thats real convenience. No waiting 30 min change to "LifeDrive format"
The new OS will have direct X included, which will support the graphics chip. The battery life issues is real, and its the Dell's great weakness. At least you can swap the battery when its gets low, and you can get a massive 2200 mAh extended battery. Surur Get serious Ryan. Is the LifeDrive really rated 8.5/10???The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/24/2005 4:12:34 AM #
6/10, maybe. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: ...
No, it's just not as bad is you wish it were. PalmOne has another potential hit on their hands. RE: ...
Care to put on record how many PDA's you think P1 will sell this quarter? 500 000, 400 000. How many devices (including Treo's) this quarter? 800 000, 700 000? Less? Surur RE: ...
>>>ome of your points are valid, but especially for video the Dell Axim x50v is the best device. You can take movies directly from your desktop at almost any resolution and play it without trans coding. Thats real convenience. No waiting 30 min change to "LifeDrive format" Care to go on record with VERIFICATION of that "30 min change to 'LifeDrive format'" comment? RE: ...
Mike, again, I don't usually say things without "verification". If your video format isn't supported by Media, you can use the LifeDrive Manager desktop application to automatically convert the video to ASF format while copying it to the LifeDrive's internal disk. Be warned that like many video conversion processes, this isn't fast and is slower than some standalone converters. We converted a 30 meg 320 x 240 WMV to ASF format using LifeDrive Manager and it took 30 minutes, creating a 130 meg file! http://www.mobiletechreview.com/palmone-LifeDrive.htm Of course you don't have to convert, but high bit rate video will need to be converted to play on the LifeDrive. Not so on the Dell. Now if 30 megs took 30 minutes, I wonder how long a typical 300MB Dead Like Me episode at 800 kb/sec will take. Surur RE: ...
They must have added things since I read that review. That wasn't there previously. That is APPALLING!!! RE: ...AdamaDBrown @ 5/29/2005 1:13:00 PM #
Oneself, most of your information is incorrect. I've had PocketPCs run for 2-3 weeks without needing a reset. Application start times on a PocketPC vary depending on the processor, model, storage location, program, and screen resolution. If you want to see a fast machine, try out the Axim X30 624 MHz, or the iPaq hx2750--they're as fast as anything. MP3s off the LD's hard drive last for just over 4 hours. The only way to get 7 hours, at least on my unit, is to not use the microdrive at all. On minimal settings, the Axim will run for 8.5 hours. Also, the Axim's battery is replacable, and you can get a high-capacity 2200 mAh battery for it. Actually, there are four or five full games that support the 2700G, a couple of video players, and probably half a dozen more demo programs. An Axim X50v is $360. A 4 GB microdrive is $140. Total is $500, the same price as the LifeDrive. The Lifedrive would have better battery life and the USB drive function, the Axim a better screen and video chip. In the course of having both models, I've seen no significant difference in the way the two handle photos. Pick your poison, the speed hit of a hard drive versus the speed hit of a VGA screen. RE: ...Foo Fighter @ 5/30/2005 9:53:13 AM #
I really wish people would stop peddling this old myth. As someone who has owned both types of devices, it may surprise you to know that a PalmOS device typically needs to be reset more often than a modern Windows Mobile Device. Now, back in the days before WinMobile 2003 (like PPC 2002 and first generation 2000 hardware), there was a LOT of truth to this. Previous PPC devices that I've owned crashed if you so much as looked it funny. But over the years both the hardware and software has become increasingly more stable, while the reverse has happened in PalmOS's case. Every recent Palm-powered device I have owned in the last two years has been nothing but trouble, belching out Fatal Exception errors, self resets, lockups, and other odd behavior. At least when a Pocket PC crashes it does so for a reason. PalmOS often crashes for God only knows what reason. There are times when I'm using my T5 running some app that the damn thing just stops and resets itself. Quite a common occurrence with VersaMail...especially on the Treo 650. Ah the Treo 650....I LOVE that device but it's about as unstable as a farm tractor hauling a shaky load of Nitroglycerin. Granted, I no longer use Windows Mobile devices, but I have had various units in my possession at times. So I know what it's like to use both platforms. That's not to say that WinMob isn't without its serious shortcomings, like a retarded memory management scheme that forces you to share RAM with a glutton OS. Thankfully that's going away soon in the form of WinMob 5 (Magneto). But lets do stop bandying myths about, shall we? Windows Mobile instability is as mythical as PalmOS's supposed reliability. This has been a public service announcement by Foo Fighter. The more you know.... RE: ...
I really have too much resets on my T5=( Same as I had on FSC 420 if not more. But if anything works on T5 - it will work forever. And not couple hours like in WM, than you have to reload. I have an X50v but I use my old Palm
I bought a Dell Axim X50v last December and 4 months later I went back to my Tungsten T3. I decided to try Windows Mobile for a while. Built in WiFi sounded good and so did VGA. The X50v was good but it's not a Palm. It was a waist of money but no I know that the grass isn't greener on the other side. RE: ...Soft Reset
After many hours of reading various forums & playing with different handhelds in stores, I finally made the decision to go with the lifedrive, it was either that or stay with the old trusty , yet crusty m130. I never had to reset, or had applications reset themselves as many times in 3 years with my m130, as I have had with my lifedrive in not even a week of ownership. Maybe if I stop messing with it.............. We shall see. RE: ...MonkeyMike @ 9/6/2005 9:03:45 PM #
As for the codec issue, try this: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/about
-- http://arpx.net/docs/top_10_palmos_applications - my top 10 palm apps. 
 Delays!auto194419 @ 5/22/2005 7:15:04 PM #
The've managed to ruin the best feature of older palms - snappiness. Eh. When my T|T3 finally dies I'm getting one just like it. RE: Delays!
It has four gigabytes of hard drive space. From what this review is saying, there is no delay in smaller programs like the PIM apps. If you have to wait five seconds for Docs or a media player, it's because the hard drive needs to be accessed. That's reality. When 4GB of flash memory becomes cheap enough to include in a PDA in ten years, then you may complain. Until then, you cannot see a good thing hovering in front of your face. RE: Delays!
Earlier observations pointed out that the proclaimed 64MB that is specified as "RAM" is actually a dedicated Hard Drive partition (a.k.a RAM Drive). If this is true, then more than just opening doc files would be subject to serious lag times. RE: Delays!silkentiger @ 5/23/2005 1:04:56 AM #
I really don't understand why Palm1 had to mess with a formula that worked well before. It astounds the mind. Use 128mb/64mb of real ram and the microdrive like a big SD card. This way, you can install programs to the RAM and they will run at normal speed while only accessing your content files (games, books, MP3s, video) will incur delays. I think everyone would be fine with that but slowing down my program launching is a definate deal breaker. :( I think most buyers of a unit like this is like me, will run several different programs one after another. Not reuse the same 5 applications. And the MP3 skipping issue, dear God what were they thinking!? I mean this is a hugely expensive device. Anyone plunking down that kind of money is buying it either as a Palm enthusiets or as a MP3 device with PakmOS on it. Two stikes for both types of users. That leaves only the 3rd category which is the user with more money than sense. RE: Delays!Timothy Rapson @ 5/23/2005 10:27:50 AM #
32 MB of real ram won't work for me either. I have that on my Zire 72 and I can't load larger pictures and PDFs because I don't have enough RAM. I need to keep certain apps in that RAM so that they sync. I am not interested in those workarounds that sync from storage cards. Ah well. Perhaps next years model will offer a real 64 MB RAM, a camera, and lower price. Not saying this isn't nice, but not for me, not yet. And the biggest deal killers are the price, RAM, and camera. I wish PalmOne would update the Zire 72 to 73 this Summer, but doesn't look like that'll happen. RE: Delays!
>>>That leaves only the 3rd category which is the user with more money than sense. Or maybe me. Who *still* needs GBs of storage and doesn't really give a fek if an MP3 skips now and then. But I've yet to fondle it, so this is a hypothetical assertion (note that "maybe"). Will Mike Cane EVER buy a new PDA (and keep it)?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 3:06:42 PM #
Or maybe me. Who *still* needs GBs of storage and doesn't really give a fek if an MP3 skips now and then. But I've yet to fondle it, so this is a hypothetical assertion (note that "maybe"). Bull. You keep talking about buying a new Palm and still all you have is a 4 0r 5 year old monochrome CLIE. Time for you to put up (and actually BUY something) or S T F U. You've contributed all of $30/year to the Pal economy, Cane. Thanks. You're quite the high roller. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Delays!
Actually a RAM Drive is the other way around: emulating a drive in ram. The 64mb on the LD look like just a big swap file! RE: Delays!
The LD is not generally available yet. My local CUSA sold out of their allotment and other stores have yet to get it. And no, I won't buy online. I need a throat within reach if I need to negotiate a return. RE: Delays!
I agree mr mikecane, I bought the replacement plan too. 6 benjamins is an expensive purchase, but atleast I can settle my griefs locally and sit well with letting people dink with my toy. Compusa said I get 21 days to decide if I even want to keep the thing. Gotta say I see no reason to return it yet (5 days and counting - upgraded from a Zodiac which replaced my T3)
Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
Wouldn't it work better with concomitant Wifi and other BT devices? I thought palmOne licensed it already. T3 & T5 user RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?Captain Hair @ 5/22/2005 9:03:48 PM #
Better question would be 'Why not Bluetooth 2.0?' There are numerous computers with 2.0 out there, why not Palm? "People who think they're smart annoy those of us who are." RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?gfunkmagic @ 5/22/2005 10:29:55 PM #
>>>>Why not Bluetooth 1.2? The reason is that PalmSource has lisenced the BT 1.2 sig for use only in Cobalt and the Lifedrive of course only runs Garnet! However, if PalmOne wanted to, they could have just as easily lisenced BT 1.2 themselves and integrated it into the LD...but since most deviecs on the market still use the 1.1 spec, they choose not to... -------------------- RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
They're both compatible with each other. There is very little benefit to using BT 2.0 besides being able to say on the box USES BLUETOOTH 2.0. -Bosco NX80v + Wifi + BT + T637 RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?gfunkmagic @ 5/22/2005 11:28:14 PM #
ALEX!!! Wassup bro!! :) >>>>>There is very little benefit to using BT 2.0 besides being able to say on the box USES BLUETOOTH 2.0. Actually, there are a few things that are definitely better in BT 1.2. (I think BT 2.0 you're referring to was recently released but very few devices are using this). For one thing spec 1.2 supports A2DP (BT stereo headphones etc) and HID profiles (BT keyboards etc) which is not supported in 1.1 afaik. Also BT 1.2 uses freq hopping tech to reduce interference with wifi... -------------------- RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?silkentiger @ 5/23/2005 1:14:07 AM #
Not to mention BT 1.2 offers more battery saving functions. RE: Why not Bluetooth 2.0?
[i]There is very little benefit to using BT 2.0 besides being able to say on the box USES BLUETOOTH 2.0[/i] Bluetooth 2.0 is meant to have a transmission speed up to three times faster than bluetooth 1.1/1.2. This is something you regard as very little benefit. Some Apple and Dell laptops are [b]already being sold[/b] with Bluetooth 2.0. It is a fairly new standard so I guess it'll take most other companies time to adopt. It was an opportunity for PalmOne to adopt but nevermind, the LifeDrive is an innovative device even without Bluetooth 2.0. RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
>>>LifeDrive is an innovative device even without Bluetooth 2.0. Geez, at least let's give them *some* credit for going with *USB 2.0*! >sound of crickets as we await the PPC weenies to list all their devices with USB 2.0< -- feel free to yawn while we wait. RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
mike, wont you ever learn? NEW Samsung i300 Smartphone with 3GB Hard Drive!Just found this out from gizmodo.com and mobile-review, seems samsung is about to drop a bomb on us, they've finally showed off their new windows mobile smartphone. It isn't a clamshell, but i think i looks damn nice, very much like the k750i from SE. From what I can see, these are the specs: Windows mobile MAGNETO! Im not sure about all the specs, don't know russian, but this is what i've come up with so far. Can't see what else, but the picture seems to be running mediaplayer 10. Strange charger though, doesn't seem to be mini usb. RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
It'll be interesting to see how that HD works with WM5. But cellphones -- including the Treo -- don't excite me. Now show me a *PPC* with USB 2.0. >cue sound of crickets< RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
Mike, do I have to excite you? Unfortunately only the new OS (WM5) support USB 2, so you will have to wait a few months for devices with USB 2 to come out. Surur RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
And don't forget those HDs. I *really* want to read the posts about that "persistent memory" and HD combination! RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?m130fullbutcontent @ 5/23/2005 9:04:16 PM #
Gosh, wot a big screen that new Samsung has....not. Not really a true competitor to the LD market - close - but who wants to use lots of visual media with a sceen that big ? You'd ruin your eyes in no time.... :( RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
Bah! it runs frekin 'Smartphone' - meaning limiting, non-touchscreen interface without rich controls, etc and no PPC compatibility (i.e. no software!), and an interface marginally better than god-awful Symbian phones. RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
Surur, I've seen this phone on exhibition 3 months ago=) Why should anyone need this? for music? I have 20 hours of everything I need on 1gb SD card. And no movies on the phone. RE: Why not Bluetooth 1.2?
Hey, way to exaggerate. Its a 320x240 screen. Did all the Treonaughts not brag about how you could navigate the whole thing without a stylus. This device is of course the same. Has to be, hasn't it. I has no stylus. Now I personally prefer PPCPhones, but that does not mean Smartphones are useless. And yes, having 3Gb of music with you on your phone is cool enough. You will have to carry a phone in any case wont you. And of course it can play video. The main point is that it shows whats possible, and this will spread to other devices soon. Surur
No ZEN any more.
"but is a departure from what many are used to given the relative quickness of the Palm OS." "4 and half hours battery life" I think this review agree much with Bargainpda.com's review. The speed and battery life are real problems. RE: No ZEN any more.
Palm is probably feeling the pressure from other technology markets. The Palm OS was originally designed for Information Management, not Media Management. There are trying to break into a market that they are not the leader in. Both Sony and Apple have the lead here. This may be why so many sub $100 PDAs are being sold by Palm, and the reason that so many competitive PDA manufactures have left the US market. The US pays more for Entertainment now a days. RE: No ZEN any more.
ZEN did not help to keep sells. If you are ZEN fan, use T3-T5 or Treo 600. A lot of people do, but these are not interesting people for market.
Milquetoast Review
Ryan - If I want to read basic specs, I'll go to palmone.com and read their propaganda. Next time tell us what your gut says. RE: Milquetoast Review
I only had so much time to do this, let me know specifically what more you want answered and I will get to it. I never do battery stress tests like leaving the unit on and looping a file because it doesn't really tell you any real world usage. RE: Milquetoast Review
There have been several concerns posted in these forums about the LifeDrive; including battery life and slow response time (both related to the use of the new hard drive). There is probably no need to review the PIM capabilities of the LifeDrive, everyone can read the specs and expect that this Palm device will perform the same as other palm devices (less the memory and speed issues) in so far as PIM functionality is concerned. But does the LifeDrive really deliver where it comes to the Media aspects of the device. Does the music library management match that of the iPod? How easy is it for a novice user to acquire, manage, transfer and view movies on the LiveDrive? RE: Milquetoast Review
I think you should understand Ryan about this review. Obviously he doesn't really feel that GREAT about this unit. He can't talk too much about the problems of this unit either, in case that many Palmers get hurted. RE: Milquetoast Review
Not to mention that any balanced and objective review won't be negative enough for some of the posters here. They want blood, and they will have it! RE: Milquetoast Review
Heeeeee's baaaaaacck. I thought he took his ball and went home. Hey kirvin - Nagel got fired - now's your big chance to run the company, know-it-all. how's your forum site doing? more than 3 posts there yet? RE: Milquetoast Review
Alas, I came back because of the Nagel thing and the rampant misinformation about the LifeDrive's speed (go see one for yourself before you believe anything!). I knew I'd take a hit from the haters, but I'll do my best to ignore them and help inform the rational readers of PIC... Got tired of listening to the crickets on your site, Kirvin?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 10:06:26 AM #
On our last episode, jkirvin barfed: --------------------------------------------------------------
It's sad when good web sites go bad... I'm never reading PalmInfocenter again, Ryan. You can't keep the trolls from engaging in personal attacks, and frankly, I've had enough and have better things to do with my time than deal with those wingnuts. I don't mind dissenting opinions, in fact I love them. I love a good debate. But these people aren't debating. They're engaging in personal attacks. They're trolls, pure and simple. For those of you that don't read PIC (and you ain't missing anything), I've been personally attacked quite a bit recently by cowards who won't use their real names. My crime was saying nice things about PalmOne and PalmSource, which can't be allowed by this group of sad, bitter people. However, I do feel compelled to state, for the record, my relationship with PalmOne and with PalmSource. I doubt the bitter will believe me, but for those you that still have open minds... My relationship with PalmOne is purely that of a happy customer. I don't work for PalmOne in any way. I don't even get review units from them, although I'm certainly going to ask when they announce the Life Drive. My relationship with PalmSource is a little more complicated. I have done some consulting work for them, for which I collected my one-time fee. I have also interviewed to replace Chris Dunphy as their Director of Competitive Analysis, and didn't get the job. They recently filled that position with someone from Transmeta. I no longer have any financial dealings with PalmSource at all. I am on an invite-only mailing list populated with PalmSource employees and folks that run Palm-oriented websites. There is no financial impact from being on this list. That's it. I'm not being paid to shill for either company. In fact, if anything, losing out on the job at PalmSource could have made me bitter and antagonistic towards them. But I'm better than that. I say what I say about these companies because I believe it. I'm a big fan of Palm OS and I'm a happy PalmOne customer. And anyone who doesn't like that is entitled to their opinion, but I just don't have time to listen to them anymore. Why don't you apply for Nagel's job now? I'm sure having an amateurish blog qualifies you to run the company... ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... Ready to apologize to Ryan, me and all PIC readers, Kirvin?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 10:18:08 AM #
Be a man (for once) and apologize for your previous dumba$$ attacks here. Do you have the guts to admit you were wrong, or will you pull your usual coward routine of cheap shotting people and running off to your mama's house to hide under the bed? ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Milquetoast Review
...getting back to Ryan's point... Ryan, I agree with you about real-world usage patterns and battery life, but remember that palmOne is labeling this as a "Mobile Manager" and with a 4GB HD, music and video playing is going to be a big reason for most of the early adopter Palm OS fans who buy one of these. So, I do think it would be important for you to do a couple of stress tests. I would recommend the following: Jeff to Voice: UY,YDAMF!
Parse that! At least, that's what Jeff *should* say. >>>Be a man (for once) -- as if YOU ever were?! Ha-ha-haaaaaa-hah! Swish away, Widdle Voicey. RE: Milquetoast Review
Agreed, ScottR, those *would* be expected real world usage of the LifeDrive. Now that it's targeted as a media player, playing MP3's or video to battery exhaustion fits within normal usage. RE: Milquetoast Review
I dunno Jeff, I have to say that while I disagree with the fervor and personalness of the "anonymous" dissenters to your posts, I have generally tended to agree with the comments. I appreciate the effort put into your podcasts and posts, but your presentation seems overly focused on defending the companies and you miss or gloss over the substantially valid points being made. And your presentation seems to leave the impression that debating would be nearly as pointless as your responses to your "anonymous" dissenters. I'm just suggesting that from my lone viewpoint your debate could benefit from a view of the issues from several steps further back. I also have to say that your out for blood comment, underscores your cynicism of the user base. Truly, if PalmSource and PalmOne would find their way from making the same mistakes over and over, the userbase (at least the dissenting portion of it) would be much appeased. I remember days of greater happiness in the land. But in those days I recall a licensee that listened directly and personally and built a product that not only fit me, but compared well to the competition (palm and non-palm), and brought new features to the platform (and shared them with other licensees). RE: Milquetoast Review
>"And your presentation seems to leave the impression that debating would be nearly as pointless as your responses to your "anonymous" dissenters." cbowers - very well said. his arrogance kills me. RE: Milquetoast Review
My only real beef with the haters is that they are just that. They offer no constructive criticism, they just attack. They demand things that obviously will never come to pass (PalmSource and PalmOne are both in business to make money, not to appease a niche), then bring down the thunder when they don't get their way. I'm quite open to civilized debate, ask the denizens of my WOYP Google Group. But that means debating the issues, not attacking the person. The former simply doesn't happen here all that often. And btw, if the stuff I'm hearing in the grapevine is on target, party over Nagel's departure while you can. There's an excellent chance he was let go because he wasn't focusing on smartphones *enough*, which means there will be no rebirth of handhelds. RE: Milquetoast Review
"My only real beef with the haters is that they are just that. They offer no constructive criticism, they just attack." No I'm saying my beef is that, that's all you seem able to see in them. You dismiss the points so readily I'm not sure you even see them. And I say that because much of the time I find myself as the target of your podcast rants at least indirectly. And much of the time I just find myself shaking my head at how dismissive you are to a lot of valid points, and just plain dead wrong on others. While I agree that the missives are misguided in their personal nature (and I tend to steer clear of those), I see the very valid points being made in them and re-resonate many of those. Taking your comment at face value, I perceive that you're only seeing the venom and missing the points within. But then that's the problem with that approach, and why it's not the most effective tact (ahem to the anonymous attackers). But perhaps Hell hath no fury like a spurned palm evangelist. "They demand things that obviously will never come to pass (PalmSource and PalmOne are both in business to make money, not to appease a niche), then bring down the thunder when they don't get their way." Bah, rubbish (not to put too fine a point on it). What I see is more often than not, they demand things that the competition is already doing, and at a lower price. If PalmSource and PalmOne *want* to make money, they need to figure out how to do the same or lose even more of their lost platform advantage. And they demand the innovation and listening to the customer (and not just the bottom feeding walmart/AOL crowd buying up low end Zires), that former licensees did before they were priced out of the market. "I'm quite open to civilized debate, ask the denizens of my WOYP Google Group." Not been there, perhaps I'll have to stop by. "But that means debating the issues, not attacking the person." Agreed. But take the good with the bad, and the dull with the deft. And I think more leading by example is in order. Perhaps we can ignore the venom and still address the message? There is some very sound arguments in some of those missives, and perhaps it wouldn't get so intense if it was actually heard. "And btw, .... which means there will be no rebirth of handhelds." Oh jeeze. Getting me started on our first debate point are we? RE: Milquetoast Review
Okay, this I can deal with. Thank you for keeping a civil tone. Which podcast rants did you feel were directed at you? I'd like to discuss your thoughts on that. RE: Milquetoast Review
Jeff is a palm apologist of the worst kind. He expects you to be loyal to the Palm brand, while only expecting PalmOne and PalmSource to think about profit. If P1 only has to think about their wallet, and this excuses all their penny-pinching and stupid engineering, why should users have any emotional reasons for buying Palm, instead of pragmatically thinking about the best devices out there? Surur RE: Milquetoast Review
Hey guys, question: When did it suddenly become okay to gang up on a guy on a HANDHELD BOARD? Maybe I'm missing out on the history or something [because I don't pay that much attention to the backstory that goes on in these comment sections ... I'm of that crazy 'old school' sort that values discussion and comment that are on topic as opposed to BS ;)] Listen to podcast 24: the man is clearly not being an apologist for Palm. In fact, it seems to me he takes a balanced track, since he: a. admits that he was overly enthusiastic about the LD based on specs, b. negatively critiques the unit based on what he has heard about the product, but, most importantly, c. takes a wait and see attitude until he personally can get a hold of one of the little beasties. A Palm apologist would be pumping the latest and greatest, regardless of whether it is a brick or a wonder. Fill me in if I'm off base in saying that people should welcome anyone to the board -- if one person skews slightly negative, another skews slightly positive in their outlook, but it all balances out and it contributes to informed discussion, which is why we're here in the first place. RE: Milquetoast Review
Thanks, Alpha1220, but it won't make any difference. I've refused to drink their Kool-Aid, and they hate me for it. Surur's a PPC troll, that I can understand. But I don't know why VOR and Gekko can't stand it when anyone says anything positive about new Palm devices. BTW, my "fondle report" on the LD will be posted shortly on WOYP. I still need to test battery life for myself, but I'm impressed. The lag thing is a myth, I can confirm that. RE: Milquetoast Review
But I don't know why VOR and Gekko can't stand it when anyone says anything positive about new Palm devices.... Surur's a PPC troll, that I can understand. Does swooping in and making an insightful comment make me a troll? I guess that is how you would see things. Surur RE: Milquetoast Reviewrye&ginger @ 5/24/2005 2:31:59 PM #
palmOne and palmSource are coorporations. It is their number one mandate to make profits for shareholders, by LAW. Other factors are secondary. Debate can be made on the best way to ensure long term profits, but looking at how the most profitable co. opperate, consumer demand is usually not a factor (MS, Walmart, etc..) As fans of Palm hardware and OS, its hard to come to grips with that buts its the truth. RE: Milquetoast Review
Sorry about the rant, but:
Consumer demand is most definately a factor for a business the size of PalmOne IF IT WANTS TO STAY IN BUSINESS (not trying to be contentious here, but this should be said). Depending on which market you're looking at, MS is at worst a monopolistic firm, sometimes a duopolistic firm, and, at best an oligopolistic firm. Walmart often has spatial monopolies. In both these instances, you're absolutely right, they don't have to respond to consumer demand; they can play with output levels, price schedules, etc. But Palm doesn't have this luxury. Given the size of the marketplace and the presence of several other competitors, Palm absolutely must respond to consumer demand, at least in the MR. Lol, I suppose I should emphasize though, that the key phrase is "IF IT WANTS TO STAY IN BUSINESS". If that's not a goal, then we would call that ... umm ... suicidal ideation in the market? or something snappy like that. A debate should focus on whether or not Palm is addressing consumer demand, making sure to realize the presence of specifically targeted markets, both mass scale and otherwise. But the assumption should always be that Palm must address demand to survive. I pray to God that the people in the boardroom at Palm/PalmOne still remember this from their intro econ courses.
Grrr...
>>>On the top middle portion is the status LED. It pulses orange to indicate hard drive activity and green for WiFi use. It also lights up orange when the unit is off and plugged into the charger but does not change when fully charged. Geez. In a **$500** machine! >>>while more robust apps can see up to a 5 second wait at maximum Ach. How long would I wait on an OQO... and that costs $2K! >>> I was disappointed to discover the LifeDrive still uses the same old fashioned pilot 1000 alarm sounds for the calendar. Why should this be surprising? Hah! >>>One problem I had was with listening to mp3's in the background. Anytime I switched to another application or the device read from the hard drive would cause the music (being played from the HDD) to be interrupted by short, yet annoying, pauses and clicks. This only happened with files on the HDD and not files on an SD card. It sounds like the drive may have some issues with multitasking and listening to music off the hard drive. Argh. But at least it doesn't stop while on the SD. But really, the whole point of the HD is... Well, I still need to fondle it myself... RE: Grrr...
Yes, Mike, you do. Trust only your own eyes, there's too much misinformation about this already. RE: Grrr...
I guess a review is only as good as the review unit, and the reviewer it's sent to. Seems PalmOne has a hand in both. I wonder if there's not a role for greater involvement of the Palm User Counsel here though in a number of areas.
License DECUMA ON SPOT, dammit!
If you nitwits at p1 aren't going to relent and give us back Real Graffiti, at least copy Sony and throw Decuma Alphabetic on the damned device! And make sure it uses the DIA area, dammit! Right now, it will NOT work on the latest devices, and when it did, it rode ABOVE the DIA.
You pack of autists DO know that it runs on *PPC* and uses the SIP, don't you?! Hey -- TATTOO that first paragraph on your FOREHEADS so you can't look in a mirror without being reminded! I'm sick of this G2 crap and having to pray for someone with guts to hack G1.
Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/22/2005 9:13:26 PM #
I hope you update this review in a week or two once you've been able to use the LD regularly for a month, Ryan. Remember: a lot of people base their purchasing decisions on what you say, so a lot more detail (e.g. timed battery life tests using just Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, MP3, regular non-wireless apps etc.; commenting on Wi-Fi strength; further analysis of the arcane memory architecture; side by side comparisons of the screen to competing models; evaluation of build quality; testing processor and hard drive speeds; detailed evaluation of how good the included apps are; bug reports (Data Mangler, etc.); stress testing hard drive (e.g. open contacts, then play an MP3, then open contacts, then play another (different) MP3; open large [multi MB] document stored on Microdrive, close it, open another large file on Microdrive); stylus quality; OS stability (did you experience any crashes during your testing?); security strength; reset times, etc., etc.) A lot of people rushed out their reviews of the LD so they could be among the first on the web to say something about the device. A lot of those reviews are fluff. ("Fantastic" fluff. ;-O) Delaying/updating your review should allow you to include the depth and breadth most others lack and would be much appreciated by those depending on you for a no holds barred review. A comparison test between the LD, Zodiac 2, CLIE VZ90, Tungsten T3, Tungsten T "5" and European CLIE TH55 at a later date would be revealing... ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan
Wow VR, that's impressive. Could you provide us with a list of all the reviews that YOU have done so that we can see how you execute all your great ideas? Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/22/2005 11:11:37 PM #
Yes, I could but then I'd have to... kill you. When I review PDAs I try to do it from a power user perspective (more info rather than less) and then let the summary explain to newbies whether or not the PDA is a good buy. While there's nothing wrong with fluff reviews, it's nice to read a well-written, comprehensive review - especially on a device as important as the LD. Here are a couple of (in my opinion) well-written reviews of the TH55 for you to compare. I think other reviewers would do well to try and emulate the thoroughness of these reviewers: http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6604 http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1969 http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/sony-th55-en.shtml ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... More CrapRAM™. Great. Just great.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/22/2005 11:36:32 PM #
How about more in depth analysis of the dumba$$ memory architecture, Ryan?
By using the BogusRAM 64™ MB hard drive partition instead of giving users a healthy dose of RealRAM™, Palm has needlessly created a new set of speed problems that will be anathema to traditional Palm devotees. Rule #1: Never cut corners where customers will notice it... ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan...
For all the great things about this site/its contents, I'm going to have to agree: the review was lacking. As said above, many many people are making basing their decisions on 'trusted' review sources, and their is a large onus of responsibility on those sources to come up with depthful reviews, whether they are positive, neutral, or negative about the product. I see very little that differentiates this review from those released in the early hours of the product launch several days ago. Very briefly, here are things that could have been covered and were not: - Bluetooth/Wifi interoperability Should this all be included in a single review? Maybe, maybe not. Should much of it, or things similar in depth be so covered? I believe they should. Look, this isn't amazon.com or the NY times: people come here with the expectation of truly informed comments on these little electronic wonders we call PDAs. I salute the site in general, but I expect more from it than this, and hope it will so be in the future. RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryansilkentiger @ 5/23/2005 1:16:20 AM #
I would also be forced to agree here. I've been reading pretty much every review of this device that has been released. They are all pretty much the same. I was expecting more from PIC. On the other hand, I seriously appreciate the detail you have gone into in terms of confirming the dumb-ass memory system of the Lifedrive. That tears it for me and I am not getting one. So maybe the review was enough from that perspective. RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 1:40:03 AM #
If Ryan is unable to update thus review (VERY few online reviews ever get updated/revised as further experience is gained with a device) it will be up to Palminfocenter readers to post their real-world experience. Mine was disappointing, but because it wasn't with an "official" production model, I'd suggest you take it with a very large grain of salt. In my less than 5 minute "LifeDrive test drive" forcing Microdrive access and switching rapidly between Microdrive, BogusRAM™ and CrapRAM™ caused unacceptable delays and even crashed the device. The screen seemed OK, but was still inferior to the CLIE VZ90, Dell X50v and even the CLIE TH55. Once spinning, the Microdrive served up continuous media flawlessly. I didn't have time to test the background playing of MP3, but the stuttering described by others when using the Microdrive for Palm apps at the same time as playing MP3 isn't surprising. $500 and no cradle? Wow. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan...
With all the hypercritics here (myself included) it was not easy to cover every little feature in one all encompasing review. As I get to torture the unit some more I will post and update article that addresses some of the concerns. RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 8:00:41 AM #
...it was not easy to cover every little feature in one all encompasing review. "That's not a bug - it's a feature." ;-O ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan
As I get to torture the unit some more I will post and update article that addresses some of the concerns. Thank you. RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan...
Thanks for commiting to updating. Also, I second what TVOR said: I think that (sigh, as in the case of the last few units amongst the community -- not specific to PIC either) a good understanding of this product is going to come from users giving feedback once some true production models start circulating. Good example: T5. Whether you're a critic or a proponent, you can see that it took a while for the dust to settle, so to speak, with regard to the ins and outs of it. RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryansilkentiger @ 5/23/2005 9:59:11 AM #
Thanks Ryan, that is seriously appreciated! RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan...
Thanks, Ryan! Are you currently using the LD as your primary PDA on a daily basis? Has there been official word yet from P1 regarding the conflicting OS revisions floating around on the review units? RE: Sounds like you pulled your punches in this review, Ryan
Alpha1220, I addressed your questions in my Fondle Report:
Improvements needed
Sure the LifeDrive made a good impression, but here the improvements: * Vibrate!!! Gee, why not on this baby? For now, I'm going to give the LifeDrive some slack since this is just the first incarnation of a brand new concept but I'm going to be expecting a lot more things from the LD in the future, though. RE: Improvements needed
Oh yeah, I forgot an improvement needed for the next line of LifeDrives: * User-defined Partitions, which the user is free to set the partitions anyway he/she pleases. RE: Improvements needed
vesther, Pretty impressive there. I would say that P1 probably opted to deal with the 8-limit find bug instead. Next iteration may actually deal with the Pilot 1000 alarms. In 2017 I hear the clipboard limit will be doubled or even tripled with Garnet OS 5.9.9.9.8.7! Actually P1 aint Sony or Samsung. They are little fish in the big tek pond, so it's really hard to expect every feature to push the cutting edge. It would be nice, but not realistic I'm afraid. They have to pick their battles effectively or profits are history. RE: Improvements neededgfunkmagic @ 5/22/2005 10:54:40 PM #
>>>>* Vibrate!!! Gee, why not on this baby? Umm...vibrate feature on a device with a spinning HD wouldn't be too smart eh? >>>>* Firewire Support. Period. Only apple people care about this... >>>>* 802.11g and Bluetooth 1.2 Compatibility. Juat be thankful there is 801.11b on this thing! Look above for BT 1.2 explanation
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Removeable Battery and, if possible, Interchangeable Drives via Compact Flash. Not sure if it's possible, but if Interchangeable Drives is not a possibility, then I would understand, but at least a Removeable Battery. RE: Improvements needed
Interchangeable drives are impossible with the current scheme (as your 64Mb memory is on there), but if they make major changes it should be possible. Surur RE: Improvements neededBuzzWriter @ 5/23/2005 9:06:44 AM #
Excuse me, but there are some Mac users out here - and speed matters. As for the firewire issue being a Mac-only concern, you need to let all those 3rd party card suppliers know that Firewire speed doesn't matter. For that matter, Dell offers laptops with firewire and IBM offers firewire-ready hard drives. But then, the LifeDrive also uses BT 1.1, which also doesn't support the wireless keyboard and mouse that have been making my T5 more useful for capturing data on the go. Mac user, marketing communications specialist RE: Improvements needed
Re: WiFi & BT -- I'm *still* waiting for someone to try the BT keyboard *while* online with WiFi. Why is this basic test being overlooked? With the OQO -- which includes both -- owners have reported interference between the two when run simultaneously. RE: Improvements needed
Doesn't have to be interfering. I would expect if it is on the LifeDrive, it's the OS implementation. My Apple Powerbook has BT 1.1 (note not 1.2), and WiFi, and there's no interference when I'm surfing or network browsing while using a Bluetooth keyboard (or hotsyncing, or doing BT phone related tasks). RE: Improvements needed
Yes, as does other hardware, which makes the OQO problem all the more puzzling. And if a *$2K* unit can do it -- why not a $500 one? RE: Improvements needed
Maybe its simple proximity, which should make interference more of a problem with smaller devices, especially handhelds. BT 1.2 specifically addresses this problem.
Surur
More clear explanation about LD memory architecture?gfunkmagic @ 5/22/2005 10:32:51 PM #
Okay so there is 64 MB of "progaram memory" which is on the HD and 32 MB of volitile SDRAM which the user never sees. However, afaik not all of the 32 MB of SDRAM is used as cache. Other PalmOne devices with NVFS also only have 32 MB of actual SDRAM, but it is divided into separate DB cache/Ram buffer (10 MB) and dynamic heap (6 MB) with the rest used to store the uncompressed rom image. Thus, the Lifedrive memory architecture should be almost exactly the same as the T5 with the exception that the T5 uses Nand while the Lifedrive is using a HD:
Tungten T5: RAM (Total Size = 32MB) The Lifedrive should be similar according to the above information: RAM (Total Size = 32MB) The difference in performance between the T5 and the Lifedrive is probably due because the DB cache on the T5 is kept in sync with Nand while on the Lifedrive is is kept in sync with a slower HD... If the above speculation is true, then IMO PalmOne has made a mistake by not increasing the size of the DB Cache. Can anyone else here confirm or correct the above representation of the Lifedrive memory? Thanks... --------------------
More potential Hardware hackTrafficGeek @ 5/22/2005 10:53:58 PM #
hmmmm...one wonders if the battery placement will permit replacing the back panel to one with a battery compartment and make the battery user replacable... ...likely need some connector changes also...can't wait to get my hand on one and start the inspection... RE: More potential Hardware hackgfunkmagic @ 5/22/2005 10:58:08 PM #
If is uses the same internal battery as found in the Treo 650, then you should be able to hack it and replace it with higher capacity batteries like those found for the Treo...hopefully that is...
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Some Questions for Ryan!
1) Can the lifedrive be used for making PPT presentations to an external display? Whats the output port?Is it possible wirelessly using any software or device (accessory)? Does it come with a remote? Whats the best presentation software available for this in the market today? 2) Is the HDD response response TRULY slow enough to make it a showstopper? 3) Is the email client, always on, all the time, like Blackberry? Does email get PUSHED or is it PULLED? 4)Im planning to purchase the virtual keyboard? www.vkb.co.il to go with this. How does one assess compatibility of the device? 5) Whenever Skype mobile gets released, is this compatible with it? thanks a lot. I am an old and loyal fan of your website from India. Made all my decisions after reading your reviews only. RE: Some Questions for Ryan!
1) Can the lifedrive be used for making PPT presentations to an external display? Whats the output port?Is it possible wirelessly using any software or device (accessory)? Does it come with a remote? Whats the best presentation software available for this in the market today? Many projectors support WiFi, so yes, this should work. 2) Is the HDD response response TRULY slow enough to make it a showstopper? NO. Try one for yourself to see. 3) Is the email client, always on, all the time, like Blackberry? Does email get PUSHED or is it PULLED? Pulled. But it can be pulled at specified intervals automatically and it's completely transparent. One of those examples of the multitasking Garnet's not supposed to be able to do if you believe the haters. RE: Some Questions for Ryan!
thanks a lot. but if it is just a wifi connection one would need to stand next to it to advance the slides. has anyone any experience with IRma Infrablue or the Margi presenter to go or the Pitch Duo on Palm OS? thanks RE: Some Questions for everyone!The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 10:28:00 AM #
1) http://www.margi.com/products/prod_ptg.htm 2) Depends on how you plan to use your PDA and how much waiting bothers you. Only you can answer that question. 3) Email is PULLED. Palm is trying to get true push email going on the platform, but was slow to get on the bandwagon. They will now have to license RIM's technology in an effort to compete. (Check out Seven, Good Technologies, etc. for some decent email solutions. Even cheaper: Snappermail set to automatically pull your email.) 4) Email the company. 5) Skype is not expected for PalmOS any time soon. Given the processor speed + Rube Goldberg-style memory architecture, it's debatable if Skype could even work acceptably on the LD even if it was available... ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Some Questions for Ryan!
"(Check out Seven, Good Technologies, etc. for some decent email solutions. Even cheaper: Snappermail set to automatically pull your email.)" Even cheaper, Versamail (included in ROM) set to automatically pull your email (even allows you to set the hours between which it will do that). At least assuming they haven't pulled that feature from the version in my Tungsten C's ROM. And here's hoping that they also fixed all the bugs that they refuse to for Tungsten C users. RE: Some Questions for everyone!The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/23/2005 2:37:02 PM #
Even cheaper, Versamail I was assuming he wanted a good app (SnapperMail) rather than to become a bug catcher for Palm with its VersaMail... ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Some Questions for Ryan!
thanks... any tips on PPTs? somehow information on that is scarce..the margi's website is well known but im told they are phasing out that product..dont know compatability with the LD... RE: Some Questions for Ryan!
Don't know if phasing out is an issue if it solves today's problem on today's hardware. I've been using the SD Margi to Go version for a couple years now, and not been back to the Margi site since. I imagine that will continue for the next couple years regardless what they do with the product. It's current requirements are an SD slot (with SDIO). I've used it on both PalmOS 4 and 5. I don't see any issues barring it's use on the LifeDrive.
The other solution involved a small box connected via with universal connector (not useful for the LifeDrive), and ran a small 386 processor. It was touted by the quickpoint/quickoffice folks. It was about the same price. Now however they don't seem to mention it. And the PalmOne Canada site has dropped any mention of universal connector accessories, and there are few mentioned on the PalmOne US site. However I see they have a bluetooth version available now, that may be your route to go. See the igo pitch bluetooth version here:
My 2 cents
Well, I finally stopped by CompUSA today and played with the LifeDrive myself. Here's my impression (about 15 minutes of hands-on experiementing).
Background: I have been using a Tungsten T for amlost 2 years. My wife has a T3, and I have also used that a little, but most of my experience is Tungsten T. First of all, size. I have heard everything from "not as bad as I expected," to "wow, what a brick!" I lean more towards the former. Side-by-side with my T|T (clear plastic case on), the thickness was very close. With a similar case on the LD, the thickness would obviously increase. But it really didn't seem to bad. Length was almost identical to my T|T when open. Performance. Perhaps it's all relative, but I ran through every application that was on the thing from PTunes to DocsToGo to all the PIM apps, to the Media app, to VersaMail, to Blazer (surfed the web for a while), and I saw no delays anywhere close to what I experience every day on my T|T which runs most apps from an SD card. Granted, it was 15 minutes. And granted, there was not much in the way of PIM data on it. But I was extremely satisfied. If I was used only to a T3, perhaps I would feel differently. I'm not. And I didn't. WiFi in the CompUSA store seemed very acceptable. My T|T / Bluetooth setup at home doesn't hold a candle to the performance I experienced there. Blazer worked extremely well in both optimzed and non-optimized modes. Would I prefer the form factor of a T|3, or even T|5? Yes. Would I prefer full flash memory to a HardDrive for maximum performance? Yes. But I can say, as a T|T user, that I was in no way disatisfied by the performance from my brief test run. I'm not ready to run out and by one without more information than just that, but I thought I provide a brief perspective from someone isn't used to the fastest of currently available PalmOne devices.
Virus Question
Just curious, with the HD on the LifeDrive do you think we will see new viruses like those on a PC?
Discussion more enjoyable without iPoo
Is anyone else tired of the iPoo press release? How about keeping the discussion to the topic: review of PalmOne LifeDrive? RE: Discussion more enjoyable without iPoo
You don't get it. He's FOS and it's the only purgative he gets!
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we'll see if i settle for the lifedrive or the axim x50v
regards,
Rainer/SaxonMan