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How about just moving to 128MB RAM and dual-slot SD/SDIO as a standard now, Palm?
Ryan on Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:59:58 PM wrote:> 4GB SD Card Announced> ATP, a Taiwan memory manufacturer, has announced a new ProMax SD > card line that will come in capacities of up to 2GB initially, > with a 4GB card planned.
So when we will see these 4GB cards is unknown.
Seriously, I'm still waiting on those USB/SD card combos from Sandisk - they look like they could be handy in emergencies.
I *would* like to be able to use my Palm as a USB portable drive, though.... :)____________________________________Pilot Pro -> III -> IIIe -> Nino (yeah...oops!) -> IIIc -> VIIx -> m505 -> NR70V -> NZ90 -> NX60 -> T3 -> Zire 72s
Exactly! In addition, you have 128mb of RAM, not 64 'reserved' on the hard drive, a nice screen, and a vibrating alarm :) What a shame this came out over 1.5 years ago ;)All good things...
I'd rather have a device with 64MB of *REAL* RAM and a 1GB Card than 10GB of NVFS/HD/NAND.
But then so will HD's. Until 3D optical storage, and nano-cluster storage make their debut (outside of the lab) I don't see flash taking the stage from HD's just yet. Scale it up, and M-Systems 3.5" SCSI Flash HD in 90Gig flavor MSRP'd at $90,000 last year. This years 176GB model hasn't had it's price announced yet.
It's *because* everyone says, "why would I had a hard drive when I can get the same amount of storage in a flash card?", that HD's will stay on the near side of cheap, comparitively.
But yes, there is a day coming when HD's will go the way of the 8-track. But for today, there's the LifeDrive.
But PalmOne, come-on, put more cache in it, and extend the "RAM" partition to 128Gigs. At least the latter costs you nothing to compete with the box side-panel specs of a Windows Mobile device.
"I'd rather have a device with 64MB of *REAL* RAM and a 1GB Card than 10GB of NVFS/HD/NAND."
Choice is a good thing. Pick up a Zodiac while you can...
But I also have a 20GB pocket HD. And 50+ CD-Rs from offloaded files! (You can do the math.)
LD2 needs a 20GB HD.
Not if you like 32K Memos...
MikeCon - what in the hell kind of data are you storing on all of this? It seems to me that your entire operation is little more than a solitary man in a messy apartment which may or may not contain a chicken.
The Zodiac includes a copy of WordSmith, so that's not a worry.
Obviously, anyone would rather have the SD card. And most would pick the Ferrari.
So why isn't everyone driving a Ferrari? Hmm...
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I found the chicken dead this morning. There was some white starchy matter leaking from its, uh, drain. CSI is doing a swab. DNA is expected to match that known chickenhawk, VoR.
-- well, this would be a start.
VFS benchmarks fall short of the current card throughput, nevermind scorcher like this.
Still, good for ATP, just not real useful for us.Now if that card has a USB2.0 tab on the side ala Sandisk, that'd be something...
As a general rule-of-thumb, with digital-electronics, with increased speed comes an increased power requirement. Sometimes as bad as a square relationship; if one doubles the speed, one requires four times the power.
Since power is voltage times current (P = I V) and usually one holds the voltage constant, to increase the speed will call for increased current.
Due to the new fat32 driver Palm OS can address 4GB easily (as seen in the lifedrive). Older Palm devices do not have this capability natively, but there is an unofficial patch around which people can try and install.
I'd be very curious to know more of the 'unofficial patch' that Surur refers to. I've had a Tungsten T3 for some time; bought a 2 GB SD card; and only then found that, due to FAT vs fat32, my T|T3 couldn't use the card.
This (a work-around that worked for some people) can be easily found with web searches:
But, alas, while it may work on other models, does not work on a T|T3.
This is the internet. We move at a faster pace. Tomorrow we will start complaining that you haven't yet produced an *8GB* card...
128 MB RealRAM™; CompactFlash slot; SDIO slot; OLED screen; Bluetooth; Wi-Fi.
CF is so much better than SD as an expansion media it's ridiculous.------------------------Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.------------------------
Sorry, but no, that makes far too much sense. Now shutup and leave us alone. We are too busy doing market research.
If they have CF sleeves that go into SDIO slots, that may work out.[signature0]the secret to enjoying your job is to have a hobby that's even worse[/signature0]
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BTW, SD only does not necessarily mean thin. Palm has clearly lost the skill to make thin PDA's. Maybe cheaper components are bulkier. The Tungsten T5 (SD only) is 121 x 78 x 15.5 vs the Loox 720 (CF and SD on top of each other) which is 122 x 72 x 15.2.
This is a myth, and a handy excuse for P1. Go out and have a look at some of the devices with a CF slot and compare. Surur already mentioned one.
Besides, the point is to replace the VirtualRAM/HD combo with RealRAM/CF(or SD). How is that going to increase the size?
Personally I don't care too much if it is CF or SD, although I tend to agree with TVOR on this one. But after owning a HandEra 330, I know the advantages of dual memory slot handhelds. Lack of dual slots is what I have been complaining about.
Suer, are you not familar with the adage that "you can't put five pounds of Gekko in a three pound space?"
Until we get to molecular level computing and handheld fusion reactors the demands of battery, screen, memory, features and price are going to exact a toll on size."Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves upand continue as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill
PocketPC's/Windows Mobile devices consistently fit SD *and* CF in the same or smaller form factor, with generally as large a battery, screen, and more ram. And to rub salt in, all but one of the VGA sporting Windows Mobile devices have USB host as well.
Going back a few years, HandEra put CF *and* SD, plus a rechargeable/replaceable battery, jog dial, high res screen, real speaker, Mic with dedicated record button, a separate DC input jack, and fully functional LED indicator (anyone remember how nice it was to have a blinking LED to tell you of missed alarms even when the PDA was asleep), all in the same Palm IIIxe case that PalmOne put out (with none of the above features).
If I hear one more ill-informed half brained poster claim on PalmOne's behalf that CF in too large to fit in a PDA, they're getting both barrels. Don't go there (do your research instead). You're warned, no excuse.
Is there a Palmist here that wouldn't buy a Dell x50v with PalmOS over any other PDA?
Gekko: I'll take a Dell running POS. But just to spite you, *you* have to pay for it.
No matter what insults you may wish to hurl, the reality is that CF is too big to fit into a reasonable sized handheld. The only WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever units EVER (IMO) were those of the iPAQ 1910/1940 line, which did not support CF at all.
Could they fit a CF slot into the LifeDrive (in lieu of the hard disk) if they wanted to? Certainly. But that thing is a brick-like monstrosity as it is, by no means could it be said to have a reasonable form factor.
As for replaceable batteries - I will never buy a palmpilot which has that 'feature' (I use inverted commas, because that is what it is called, but it adds no real utility IMO). Units with replaceable batteries are invariably thicker than what they could have been. Any the battery door/panel always creeks, which is annoying. Let's not even go into the higher production cost added by this 'feature'.
The T5 could easily have dual slots and a removable battery and keep the same form factor.
No doubt! The only "requirement" it's missing is the Palm OS.
Yeh, I guess I should be used to it by now - what with all my unfashionable opinions.
Concerning your opinion > CF is too big to fit into a reasonable sized handheldI don't get the connection to the word 'unfashionable'.Looking at some CF-sporting PDAs out there I can't help to think that this opinion of your's is plain 'wrong'. Maybe just an 'outdated' one?Or is your definition of 'a reasonable sized handheld' the crunch point (more of a trick, eh)?
Have you even LOOKED /HANDLED any of the latest WM devices on the market? Hell, I have a 2 year old Toshiba e740 which is an ugly design, but it DOES pack SD/CF/Removable Batt/Wi-Fi into a package that is about half the thickness of the LD. And battery door creak? I've never experienced that even on old AAA battery Palms.
The x50v is incredibly svelte considering what is in it.
As one of the first HandEra users, I've said for years that CompactFlash is the BEST expansion standard - by far. Beyond that, besides expense, the difference between all the other inferior formats (SD, Memory Stick, xD, SmartMedia, etc.) is trivial. It's amazing to see idiotic posts claiming that small PDAs can't be designed with CompactFlash when there are dozens of PDAs out there with dual CF/SD slots that are SMALLER than many current Palms.
------------------------Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.------------------------