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    4GB SD Card AnnouncedPosted By: Ryan on Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:59:58 PM
ATP, a Taiwan memory manufacturer, has announced a new ProMax SD card line that will come in capacities of up to 2GB initially, with a 4GB card planned.
The company plans to have the cards ready by the fouth quarter this year. ATP has not announced pricing. Current Prices on 4GB SD Cards | Memory cards on sale Thanks to Pat Horne for the tip.
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 RE: 4GB of space?
Sorry, but no, that makes far too much sense. Now shutup and leave us alone. We are too busy doing market research. RE: 4GB of space?
joad @ 6/2/2005 4:55:46 PM wrote: > Whoa. The Lifedrive is already obsolete... Not yet. Ryan on Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:59:58 PM wrote: So when we will see these 4GB cards is unknown. RE: 4GB of space?AdamaDBrown @ 6/3/2005 7:17:16 PM #
They've mentioned that they plan to release the 4 GB model in the fall. I hope they make it, though there's been a lot of delays in the production of high-density SD cards in general.
RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
I'll take the 4GB SD card any day. I'm using a 1GB card with some room to spare, though I might upgrade to a 2GB once prices drop. I use a Treo 650 and experience no delays using data from the card. I also like that I can change out cards, share them with devices, etc. Lastly, no moving parts. RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
Jesus - can you imagine two of these in a Zodiac? You would have more space in one handheld than in my old desktop and mike's put together. That said, my 512Mb SD card's got more space than Mike's desktop. Seriously, I'm still waiting on those USB/SD card combos from Sandisk - they look like they could be handy in emergencies. RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
Yeah, I'd rather have the 4GB SD as well. I've too am currently using a 1GB with room to spare, and "swappability" of the card trumps the thick HD for me. I *would* like to be able to use my Palm as a USB portable drive, though.... :) RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
>>can you imagine two of these in a Zodiac? You would have more space in one handheld than in my old desktop and mike's put together. Exactly! In addition, you have 128mb of RAM, not 64 'reserved' on the hard drive, a nice screen, and a vibrating alarm :) What a shame this came out over 1.5 years ago ;) RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
Can you imagine $400-$600 extra on a $300 PDA too. Maybe it COULD be done, but WOULD it be done? Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
Reverend - you know as well as we do that it WILL be done - and be done a lot cheaper than that. As the SD Card technology continues to mature, economies of scale/competition kick in, these will get larger and larger and cheaper and cheaper. I'd rather have a device with 64MB of *REAL* RAM and a 1GB Card than 10GB of NVFS/HD/NAND. RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
"As the SD Card technology continues to mature, economies of scale/competition kick in, these will get larger and larger and cheaper and cheaper." But then so will HD's. Until 3D optical storage, and nano-cluster storage make their debut (outside of the lab) I don't see flash taking the stage from HD's just yet. Scale it up, and M-Systems 3.5" SCSI Flash HD in 90Gig flavor MSRP'd at $90,000 last year. This years 176GB model hasn't had it's price announced yet. It's *because* everyone says, "why would I had a hard drive when I can get the same amount of storage in a flash card?", that HD's will stay on the near side of cheap, comparitively. But yes, there is a day coming when HD's will go the way of the 8-track. But for today, there's the LifeDrive. But PalmOne, come-on, put more cache in it, and extend the "RAM" partition to 128Gigs. At least the latter costs you nothing to compete with the box side-panel specs of a Windows Mobile device. "I'd rather have a device with 64MB of *REAL* RAM and a 1GB Card than 10GB of NVFS/HD/NAND." Choice is a good thing. Pick up a Zodiac while you can... RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
>>>That said, my 512Mb SD card's got more space than Mike's desktop. But I also have a 20GB pocket HD. And 50+ CD-Rs from offloaded files! (You can do the math.) LD2 needs a 20GB HD. RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
Nah, it just needs USB host (already), and/or firewire, and it can mount my 40Gig iPod. RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
If that was the only thing stopping a purchase, I'm sure the addition of MegaMemo, or use of Wordsmith/Word to Go/Quickword etc., would bridge the gap. RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
>But I also have a 20GB pocket HD. And 50+ CD-Rs from offloaded files! (You can do the math.) MikeCon - what in the hell kind of data are you storing on all of this? It seems to me that your entire operation is little more than a solitary man in a messy apartment which may or may not contain a chicken. RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
Not if you like 32K Memos... The Zodiac includes a copy of WordSmith, so that's not a worry. RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD CardAdrenochrome @ 6/3/2005 9:20:17 AM #
Golly. That's a hard one. Sort of like Minivan vs. Ferrari. Which would I rather have... Obviously, anyone would rather have the SD card. And most would pick the Ferrari. So why isn't everyone driving a Ferrari? Hmm... RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD CardThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 6/3/2005 11:04:20 AM #
So why isn't everyone driving a Ferrari? Hmm... Insurance rates? The Palm Economy = Communism™ RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Card
>>>MikeCon - what in the hell kind of data are you storing on all of this? It seems to me that your entire operation is little more than a solitary man in a messy apartment which may or may not contain a chicken. P2P is veddy veddy good to me. I found the chicken dead this morning. There was some white starchy matter leaking from its, uh, drain. CSI is doing a swab. DNA is expected to match that known chickenhawk, VoR. There is NEVER *enough* storage
http://www.pdalive.com/showarticle.php?threadid=8853 -- well, this would be a start. RE: Hard Drive vs. 4GB SD Cardackmondual @ 6/4/2005 1:16:20 AM #
hmmm, again with the 32K memopad limit. But i digress, I'd be more concerned about the lack of NotePad.
 How Fast?
The news that these card can hold 4GB is only half the story. Is that number correct? 133X Transfer Rate? I have a Lexar 2.0GB High Speed Professional Write Accelerated 80X Compact Flash card for my Canon Digital Rebel XT and it screams. It can handle rapid storage of the 14 frame burst rate of my 8 Mega-Pixel images at an alarming rate. These 4GB cards are nice to have given their size, but the speed is what caught my attention. RE: How Fast?
Moot point on most devices whose SD slots aren't as fast as the cards in them. First question: Is that throughput 4-wire or SPI mode? Every PalmOS spec sheet I've seen shows only 2 of the 4 data lines in the SD slot connected. VFS benchmarks fall short of the current card throughput, nevermind scorcher like this. Still, good for ATP, just not real useful for us. RE: How Fast?
Does increased speed mean increased voltage draw too? How would this compare in terms of electricity used vs a HD? RE: How Fast?
mikecane @ 6/3/2005 12:34:38 PM wrote: > Does increased speed mean increased voltage draw too? As a general rule-of-thumb, with digital-electronics, with increased speed comes an increased power requirement. Sometimes as bad as a square relationship; if one doubles the speed, one requires four times the power. Since power is voltage times current (P = I V) and usually one holds the voltage constant, to increase the speed will call for increased current.
Will it work in a Palmgrahamnind @ 6/3/2005 4:31:23 AM #
I seem to remember from a discussion somewhere that Palms can only use a maximum size of 2GB. Does anyone know if that's true? RE: Will it work in a PalmGalley_SimRacer @ 6/3/2005 11:05:15 AM #
I've heard the same thing. -- "I'm not a cool person in real life, but I play one on the Internet". Galley RE: Will it work in a Palm
Due to the new fat32 driver Palm OS can address 4GB easily (as seen in the lifedrive). Older Palm devices do not have this capability natively, but there is an unofficial patch around which people can try and install. Surur RE: Will it work in a Palm
I'm surprised, surur, you haven't piped up to tell us that all PPCs -- including your hinky Loox -- can use this new card at full speed. WTf is MS paying you for if you slack on the job like this? RE: Will it work in a Palm
Its all part of my plan Mike. I'll lurk in the background, absorb all the Palm OS knowledge I can, contribute useful information,and then..., one day... Pow! Right in the Kisser!! The Post to convert you all!!! Surur RE: Will it work in a Palm
Hi,
I'd be very curious to know more of the 'unofficial patch' that Surur refers to. I've had a Tungsten T3 for some time; bought a 2 GB SD card; and only then found that, due to FAT vs fat32, my T|T3 couldn't use the card. This (a work-around that worked for some people) can be easily found with web searches: But, alas, while it may work on other models, does not work on a T|T3. pat
I take it most of you have missed this parttouchmymonkey @ 6/3/2005 1:30:22 PM #
" Devices will have to use the SD 1.1 standard in order to operate with the 4GB version, which no Palm OS device yet supports." RE: I take it most of you have missed this part
I'm surprised news of our 4GB got picked up so fast. Yes for the 4GB to be fully used, the host device will have to be able to read FAT32. Personally I'm more excited about our 4GB MMCplus. 4GB capacity, plus our preliminary transfer speed estimates are about 30MB/s read. None of what I'm saying is official, just some preliminary info for all to chew on. RE: I take it most of you have missed this part
>>>I'm surprised news of our 4GB got picked up so fast.
This is the internet. We move at a faster pace. Tomorrow we will start complaining that you haven't yet produced an *8GB* card...
The file size limit
I think the first issue is the file size. What good is it if I can not upload a whole movie to the SD? I need to spend a lot of time to split up the movie and recode it... I think the current file size limit is 128MB. Am I correct?
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The new cards will Conform to the latest SD v1.1 system specification. They are rated at fast 133X transfer rates (up to read 20MB/s and 18MB/s write). Devices will have to use the SD 1.1 standard in order to operate with the 4GB version, which no Palm OS device yet supports.
How about just moving to 128MB RAM and dual-slot SD/SDIO as a standard now, Palm?