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palmOne today posted three new software updates for the Treo 650. The unlocked GSM Treo 650 gets NVFS fixes and other updates and the Sprint version includes new Bluetooth Dial Up networking as well as other updates. Roger's Canada has also released the 1.13 update. In addition, LifeDrive Update 1.0 was released by palmOne support as well as a new version of PhoneLink.
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Well, that's all the Treos...

vesther @ 6/16/2005 9:58:01 PM # Q
...now all the Treo 650's are now completely cured from the 512Byte Syndrome, but still the Tungsten T5 still needs the NVFS Cure, in fact only the Tungsten T5 suffers from the 512Byte Syndrome as we speak.

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RE: Well, that's all the Treos...
vesther @ 6/16/2005 10:00:51 PM # Q
But there are actually two exceptions in addition to the Tungsten T5--The Cingular Wireless Treo 650 and the Rogers Treo 650 still need that damn NVFS Cure that will put a permanent end to the 512 Byte Syndrome plaguing the Treo 650 from its early days.

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RE: Well, that's all the Treos...
Admin @ 6/16/2005 10:11:20 PM # Q
I was just informed the rogers update is out as well:

http://rogers.com/treo650update


RE: Well, that's all the Treos...
vesther @ 6/17/2005 11:49:21 AM # Q
Now that leaves Cingular falling victim to the 512 Byte Syndrome. Once the 512 Byte Syndrome cure comes for the Cingular Treo 650 and eventually the Tungsten T5, hopefully, I won't see a case for the 512 Byte Syndrome again. Hopefully, palmOne will not make mistakes like the 512 Byte Syndrome furthermore.

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RE: Well, that's all the Treos...
joad @ 6/18/2005 1:57:03 PM # Q
"Hopefully, palmOne will not make mistakes like the 512 Byte Syndrome furthermore."


Hope springs eternal.

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Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch out!

hkklife @ 6/16/2005 11:16:09 PM # Q
The LD patch release beats even the T3 SD card frying fix.
Now can someone PLEASE test this and see if it resolves any of the issues with VersaMail & Blazer resets?

I wish they had gotten a patch out sooner to address system instability but at least this is a GLIMMER of hope (albeit a slight one) that they will continue to do some serious patching to this sucker.



RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch out!
hkklife @ 6/16/2005 11:28:27 PM # Q
#1 In my semi-excited state, I forgot to add "seen" to the subject line above.

#2 VersaMail is updated on the Sprint Treo to 3.1 to "enhance stability"? UH OH! I hope the Treofied 3.1 is more stable than the LD's version of 3.1! Also, does anyone know if the enhanced VM offered for the unlocked GSM version also brings it to 3.1 as well or is it just a lesser interim release?



RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch ou
mikecane @ 6/17/2005 9:23:59 AM # Q
hk: But what good does this do you? I thought your LD had already been returned!

RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch out!
hkklife @ 6/17/2005 10:02:29 AM # Q
Mike: IF P1 patches the LD to a semi-usable state, I'll highly consider buying one. That's how badly I wanted to like the unit. As I said, other than the MP3 problem (potentially patchable), the lack of simultaneous button inputs in games (definitely patchable) and the numerous crashes/resets (potentially patchable), I really, really liked the LD. I can even live with the lag but NOT the instabilities.

Yes, my LD was returned and not a moment too soon. But I'm still watching the status of the unit with great interest.

RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch out!
InsGuy @ 6/17/2005 11:08:15 AM # Q
Hk, that's SAD! It's sad to see someone soooo devoted to P1 that, "other than the MP3 problem (potentially patchable), the lack of simultaneous button inputs in games (definitely patchable) and the numerous crashes/resets (potentially patchable), I really, really liked the LD", you're still watching this thing.

That's A LOT of problems to overlook and hope they fix. For me, any unit that has more than ONE(1)"other than this problem", I'm not buying it, or even considering buying it.
For your sake, I hope P1 fixes this thing.


All good things...

RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch out!
hkklife @ 6/17/2005 11:17:51 AM # Q
It's not "sad" nor am I devoted to P1! "Sad" is the fact that P1 trots out one buggy handheld after another!

Simply put, I am going to need a new PDA sometime soon. If you know of any other licensees currently producing Palm-based devices that fit my needs, then gladly recommend them. Last I checked, P1 was the last man standing so it's not like we have much choice in the matter, is it? Head over to the PIC P1 forums and find my review/2 weeks with the LD thread ("LD: Why I'm returning it"). You'll find that I am FAR from devoted to P1 and their buggy, half-arsed products of late.

The LD formfactor is still very nice despite its thickness. The build quality & hard buttons are superb, LD has a great screen and the dual wireless + voice recording are essentials. That's the right featureset for a PDA circa 2005 and any reason to like a handheld with those specs PROVIDED it works reliably (which the LD does not).

I vastly prefer POS over PPC and it's as simple as that. I'll downgrade to a T|E2 if I must after my T3 dies. But I'll not switch to PPC nor will I accept a buggy, crashing Palm powered device. It's as simple as that.



RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch out!
rsc1000 @ 6/17/2005 2:51:00 PM # Q
>> the lack of simultaneous button inputs in games (definitely patchable)

-YIKES! The LD doesn't do simultaneous hard buttons??? The only other device i ever heard of with this were the early ipaqs. And this is supposed to be a category of device intended for mobile entertainment! Bad enogh that they took perfectly great dpad design from the 1st OS 5 units (well - too small on the T|C - but the DPAD on the first 2 T|T's was actually good for gaming) and screwed it all up ('oh - wait! we accidently made the device usable for a product category that 40% of customers use on their device - we'd better fix that!'). But no simultaneous buttons??? Does p1 even test these things???
Can others confirm - is this true?


RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch ou
Adrenochrome @ 6/17/2005 2:58:03 PM # Q
It's not "sad" that someone finds something useable despite lacking critieria that you find make it unuseable.

I have an LD and I love it. It's unstable and crashes nearly every day. That's infuriating, but it's fixable. For me, the good of the device far outweighs the bad. Do I wish it was more stable? Of course, but that doesn't supersede the aspects of it that make it darn useful for me and for many others.

The mp3 thing will likely be fixed within two weeks (according to NormSoft), and the instabilities will likely be fixed soon afterward. No doubt P1 is going to have more HD-based devices in the future, so they're going to be working on making them work well.

RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch out!
hkklife @ 6/17/2005 3:49:43 PM # Q
Yes, rsc1000, it's VERY true. I tested a LD for ~2 weeks and thew every game I had at it. SharkCache or not, it cannot handle the system calls for multiple button presses at one time. P1 tech support told someone on the BH forums that this was because the LD's CPU was not fast enough to accept all of those inputs b/c it had so much else to do. BOLLOCKS! Every Palm device since, what, the III has accepted simultaneous input.

I really had high hopes of carrying around a veritable library of ROMs and Palm games in my pocket with the LD. A true shame as it has the best d-pad yet in a PDA (IMO) and the hard buttons, while not perfect, offer very good tactile feedback and response.

Additionally, the hard buttons have been remapped so that a lot of legacy titles are broken. Example: up and down on the LD d-pad function as usual. But left & right trigger the memopad and contacts functions in some apps and don't register at all in others. For more info on the topic, see my posting on the PIC forums entitled "LD: The main reasons why I'm returning it"

RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch ou
honus @ 6/17/2005 4:45:28 PM # Q
>Now can someone PLEASE test this and see if it resolves any of the issues with VersaMail & Blazer resets?

I didn't think it could be, but it appears that at least one class of Blazer reset has gone away. In the past, when I tried to access websites that had "invalid" SSL certs (e.g. they are self-signed), it would cause a reset. I can now access the two sites I use on a regular basis, both of which used to reset my LD.

Must have been a strage bug to have been in the WiFiLib.

RE: Hallelujah!! That's fastest I've ever 'em get a patch out!
rsc1000 @ 6/19/2005 11:56:42 AM # Q
>>Yes, rsc1000, it's VERY true. I tested a LD for ~2 weeks and thew every game I had at it.

Unbelieveable. So an entire major category of software (games! and on their new, 'entertainment categroy' device no less) cannot be used with the LD! OMFG! How did p1 screw that up? A bigger question -why did not one major review mention this???? What the heck's up Ryan?? WHy was this not mentioned???

>>Additionally, the hard buttons have been remapped so that a lot of legacy titles are broken. Example: up and down on the LD d-pad function as usual. But left & right trigger the memopad and contacts functions in some apps and don't register at all in others.

Surreal man, just surreal! Does MS have plants working at p1? seriously - that is the only way I can begin to fathom this stuff. It is the only credible explanation - more believeable than p1 (or anybody) being that incompetant. I am stunned.

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STILL no T5 fix? *Sigh*

Wollombi @ 6/17/2005 11:12:39 AM # Q
It seems Palm is still intent on abandoning a large customer base. Axims are becoming more actractive with each passing day...

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RE: STILL no T5 fix? *Sigh*
hkklife @ 6/17/2005 11:23:31 AM # Q
Agreed. Another "sad" thing is that the T5 would be a halfway decent device @ $300 if it were properly fixed/patched.

Dammit, can SOMEONE who owns an LD and has experienced resets in wi-fi apply the new patch and let us know if anything else "behind the scenes" is fixed?? None of the big three POS sites (PIC, BH, 1src) has any firsthand reports on the patch's effects. I guess the LD-owning apologists who say it's a flawless, stable handheld are afraid to patch theirs.

RE: STILL no T5 fix? *Sigh*
vesther @ 6/17/2005 11:51:24 AM # Q
But it seems like that the Tungsten T5 is placed on the Lowest Priority list for the handhelds that need the cure for the 512 Byte Syndrome. The Tungsten T5 needs attention soon, as it really has a VERY BAD CASE of 512 Byte Syndrome.

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RE: STILL no T5 fix? *Sigh*
potter @ 6/17/2005 12:00:34 PM # Q
hkklife wrote @ 6/17/2005 11:23:31 AM
> can SOMEONE who owns an LD and has experienced resets in wi-fi
> apply the new patch and let us know if anything else "behind the
> scenes" is fixed??

I have installed this patch, but I was not experiencing many resets associated with WiFi. I doubt that there are any other "behind the scenes" fixes associated with this patch for all this patch is, is an updated WiFiLib.prc, therefore the only things that have been fixed would presumable be associated with WiFi.

Double checking, the WiFi hub that I most commenly connect to is a D-Link, thus this could be why I have not been experiencing many WiFi resets.

RE: STILL no T5 fix? *Sigh*
Paratus @ 6/17/2005 11:23:41 PM # Q
Hi long time lurker first time poster.

I too lnstalled the patch but I was not having any problems to begin with. (D-Link DI-624)

Actually my LD seems slightly snappier when connecting since installing.

RE: STILL no T5 fix? *Sigh*
ackmondual @ 6/19/2005 1:49:52 AM # Q
doesn't matter if the t5 has a big memory vat. T5 users are still getting cheated
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dun number?

JarJar @ 6/18/2005 12:58:03 AM # Q
Does anybody know what number we Sprint users dial into. I assume that there must be a number provided with my Vision plan.
RE: dun number?
joad @ 6/18/2005 2:00:52 PM # Q
#777. You can probably search around here or T|C forums to get complete configuration instructions, as I'm not feeling peppy enough to type it out this morning.

RE: dun number?
JarJar @ 6/18/2005 2:39:21 PM # Q
Thanks! It got it to work and I am posting this reply with my Mac Powerbook through my Treo 650.

I am now truly mobile.

Sweet

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Treo 650 update failed for me...

Sartre @ 6/18/2005 1:28:49 AM # Q
Use caution if you try this update - when I did, the updater got stuck in a loop.

Apparently, the software that performs the update is loaded, and runs when the device is reset. After the updater performs its work, it supposed to reset the system (deleting itself in the process). Well, on my attempt, the updater was never deleted, meaning that the device, when reset, would simply re-launch the updater every time.

Finally, with Sprint support on another phone line, we did a manual reset (holding power button and pressing the reset button when the Palmone logo appeared. The device asked if I wanted to 'erase all data' - I said yes by pressing up on the d-pad. Then the device was stable - but it reverted to 1.08, which means 1.12 never was officially installed.

Anyway, the Sprint guy had to also talk me through resetting the phone number, since the device (under 'phone info') was completely blank other than the software version.

If anyone else has had success, please share...

RE: Treo 650 update failed for me...
mopcodes @ 6/19/2005 10:44:46 PM # Q
Mine is doing what you described. I'm on the phone with Sprint PCS now trying to figure it out. (Time passes) I discover a secret code...load the phone app - press ##3282 on the touch screen then send (make it dial).

A super secret screen appears. I was given another code to check the settings there. It's a secret so I cannot tell you what this part is. After all it's my code to get into this screen (i.e. unlock it).

Now I'm waiting for tech support to answer questions before I try a hot sync again and run into a fatal looping. Like the guy did in the post I'm replying too. Note at this point the phone is blank, but it knows my ESN, phone number, Sprint PCS email address, etc. It also showed I had voicemail when I powered up the phone portion of the Treo 650.

My phone only went thru the process one additional time for two complete ROM updates. Phone is working.

HOWEVER ALL MY APPS HAVE VANISHED!!!!

I had to use Blue Nomad application to restore my apps, etc. to the phone that was money well spent. The info was on the SD card.
So far I'm back in business and the phone is working, but this updater seems to have some bugs. There are also some tradeoffs when using the DUN. For example - Verichat cannot be online at the same time as DUN is up and running same for apps like that one it seems.

BEWARE OF THIS UPDATE AND BE SURE YOU HAVE TIME TO WORK WITH IT FIRST!!!

I'm running another hot sync. Hopefully this one will work correctly.....

...it did I'm back w/ my Treo the way I like it.

Good luck to the rest of you.


D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer

RE: Treo 650 update failed for me...
dona83 @ 6/21/2005 12:13:36 AM # Q
Um most of us already knew that applying the update erases your memory and most of us already knew that u cannot access internet thru bluetooth and the treo itself at the same time.

RE: Treo 650 update failed for me...
mopcodes @ 6/21/2005 1:44:03 PM # Q
Correct. However the process for whatever reason did not work properly and hence the device was not restored properly.

D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer
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Versamail update!

cbowers @ 6/18/2005 2:40:38 AM # Q
"Updates VersaMail to version 3.1 to enhance stability and add improvements"

Not so tough to include since they own the software. But man, what about the rest of the current lineup!

PalmOne had 3 kicks at updates for the Tungsten C, with no Versamail updates.



RE: Versamail update!
joad @ 6/18/2005 2:02:41 PM # Q
I think they just kept milking the tungsten C because it was the only wifi game in town for quite some time, hence updates were few and measly. Now it's EOL, right?

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WiFi Patch Work

dsaroff @ 6/18/2005 9:19:30 AM # Q
On my LD, this seems to have fixed the problem with my WiFi connection dropping out.

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Treo 650s from European Carriers Left Out

ChiA @ 6/20/2005 12:17:23 PM # Q
Any ideas if and when the update will be available for Treo 650s from european carriers e.g. Orange UK? PalmOne support page givves a specific warning not to install unlocked GSM update unto a european carrier branded Treo. Is there anyone who's thought "what the hell" and tried it anyway?

It's disappointing that the European Treo owners are being left behind their North American counterparts. I have to wonder why this is the case.

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RE: Treo 650s from European Carriers Left Out
JarJar @ 6/20/2005 3:18:33 PM # Q
Yes, it is true that sometimes European customers get left out. However in this case--relax. It has only been a day since the US updates were released.

The European carriers need to approve and participate in the updates through testing, support, training for cs, etc. So changes may not be instant. Also, some regulations in European countries aren't the same as in the U.S.

Believe me, the carriers and PalmOne *want* this feature so they aren't trying to delay it.

RE: Treo 650s from European Carriers Left Out
ChiA @ 6/20/2005 4:10:00 PM # Q
JarJar said:
[i]The European carriers need to approve and participate in the updates through testing, support, training for cs, etc. So changes may not be instant.[/i]

I can infer from this that either the North American operators aren't bothered testing the updates or much more likely, North American carriers have had the update for testing much longer than their European counterparts. On reflection, North America has had the Treo650 for longer than Europe so this is the most likely explanantion.

[i]Also, some regulations in European countries aren't the same as in the U.S.[/i]

I'm a touch tired by this catch-all argument. It really does depend on the legislation itself and I'm surprised that people in this forum from the USA seem to forget that technically they have fifty different legal systems within their own country, (well I guess fifty-one if you include federal law)! Most European countries are now members of the European Union and there are many areas where the member states have agreed legislation in their own countries will cover the same common ground. An excellent example is capital punishment: All 25 member countries have agreed not to have the death penalty, unlike the USA where despite being one country, has some states within it which allow it and others which don't.

I believe telecommunications legislation is one field where the European Union member countries share a lot of common ground.

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THIS thread (link) is a story all by itself

SeldomVisitor @ 6/26/2005 6:45:23 AM # Q
RE: THIS thread (link) is a story all by itself
ReneeRoberts @ 6/26/2005 9:46:34 AM # Q
Never put it past a company to try and create income in interesting ways. :-)

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