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Engadget has posted some images of what looks to be an upcoming Tungsten handheld from palmOne. The images show a Tungsten T5 shaped model with built in WiFi dubbed the Tungsten XX.
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Portrait/Landscape mode in Lifedrive???

aweyrich @ 6/24/2005 2:42:15 PM # Q
I bought the LifeDrive when it came out because I didn't want to wait for this new/rumored Tungsten model. This a dumb question.....but in these pics of this new model - I see a little icon in the bottom right hand corner(second from the right) that I believe is a Landscape mode. Why does my Lifedrive not have that button? Am I doing something wrong here? I want surf the web in Landscape.

Why would they not have that feature when the Tungsten XX has the same OS version as the LifeDrive?



RE: Portrait/Landscape mode in Lifedrive???
PalmDoc @ 6/24/2005 2:48:00 PM # Q
Maybe because the LifeDrive has a hard button for this function? They may have decided to add something else to the status bar that was more appropriate for this model (something to do with the HDD maybe?) and dedicate the physical button for landscap/portrait switching?

Just a guess...

RE: Portrait/Landscape mode in Lifedrive???
Admin @ 6/24/2005 2:48:29 PM # Q
The lifedrive has a dedicated hard button on the lower left hand side that switches the orientation from landscape to portrait.
RE: Portrait/Landscape mode in Lifedrive???
aweyrich @ 6/24/2005 4:26:27 PM # Q
Thank you all!! I am very blonde and slow :). You made my day - I just tried it. Thanks. Thought they forgot to put it in the software or something.....

RE: Portrait/Landscape mode in Lifedrive???
twizza @ 6/24/2005 4:51:43 PM # Q
LD test board or really the T7; thats where I see the lack of the screen rotate piece.

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RE: Portrait/Landscape mode in Lifedrive???
rsc1000 @ 6/25/2005 2:24:17 PM # Q
>>LD test board or really the T7; thats where I see the lack of the screen rotate piece.

explain?

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Shortcomings

mikecane @ 6/24/2005 3:04:39 PM # Q
What?

- no hard drive
- no dedicated Rotate Button
- no boing-boing stylus
- no thickness
- no earphone jack on *bottom*
- no sliding Hold switch
- no raised buttons

Really, what is Palm thinking these days?

>The above part of this post to pre-empt the inevitable Trolls<

So, another possible contender for my Cradle Kit and Travel Charger. Nice. Now I really *do* believe we are seeing The Colligan Effect.

RE: Shortcomings
Texonite @ 6/24/2005 3:36:40 PM # Q
Don't forget

-no voice recorder...

This is a question (not for me though)

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RE: Shortcomings
twizza @ 6/24/2005 4:52:23 PM # Q
See my post in the above mike, basically its either the model to come, or its here (think L and D).

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RE: Shortcomings
rkevwill @ 6/24/2005 6:07:16 PM # Q
I really like the looks of this thing. Its possible we may have the machine many of us have been waiting on. However, history has shown, they seem to trip up on the details. NO HD??? good, then there is no reason it shouldn't have vibration. Thats one of the complaints registered over and over. What about voice memos? Thats another. Those are two areas I have a feeling they might mess us up on. Why they can't have all the features we want in one device, I don't understand. Its like they purposely don't do it to irritate us!! LOL

We can see it has the other things we want, like virtual keyboard and graffiti area, wifi, bluetooth, landscape and portrait etc. Lesssee, it took how many months when the rumors came out to get the LD? 3 or 4? Probably a fall or Christmas item then. Hope its sooner

RE: Shortcomings
mikecane @ 6/24/2005 6:14:29 PM # Q
>slapping my head<

Yes, I actually did forget the Voice Recorder. And someone else brought up the Vibrating Alarm, which I also forgot.

I doubt we'll see these in this unit. Ah, well. Personally, I could do without both, but I understand how these are real needs for other people -- especially those looking for something to replace their T3 without having to get the LifeDrive. For those people, The Quest Continues...

RE: Shortcomings
twrock @ 6/24/2005 9:15:41 PM # Q
Charging LED?


I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
RE: Shortcomings
mikecane @ 6/24/2005 9:35:55 PM # Q
Geez, another one forgotten!

RE: Shortcomings
twrock @ 6/25/2005 2:58:26 AM # Q
Yeah, the T5 was missing way too many of the "little" features we came to expect in a high-end device. Very short-sighted of P1. It really did have the look and feel of a TE2 when it hit the market. Here's hoping they get it right this time around.


I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
RE: Shortcomings
twrock @ 6/25/2005 3:07:30 AM # Q
Its like they purposely don't do it to irritate us!!

(Someone go tell Surur that I'm lobbing him a softball; he might want to take a swing at it.)

I find that what a lot of us want is hardware similar to the high-end PPC stuff. We want it at a competitive price. But very importantly, we want it with the Palm OS.

So it begs the question of why P1 won't just go ahead and do it. Any possibility they are scared to stand toe to toe with PPCs? (That was for you, Surur.) Do they not want to have to compete dollar for dollar, feature for feature? Are they just trying to be "distinct", making sure that palmOne products don't just blend in with all the other hardware? For the life of my I can't figure out what's the drive behind the reluctance. (Ok, admittedly it was a very lame attempt at a play on words, but I thought I'd give it a try anyway.)


I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."

RE: Shortcomings
Surur @ 6/25/2005 11:35:14 AM # Q

Ive been staying of the front pages since my posts have been deleted a few times. I guess my presence is not conducive to the Rah Rah Palm atmosphere.

Surur

RE: Shortcomings
mikecane @ 6/25/2005 12:34:00 PM # Q
surur DELETED?

My God! Now THAT'S a PIC improvement I can get behind!

Buh-bye!

Longcomings
Masamune @ 6/25/2005 1:41:58 PM # Q
Come in T5, you're number's up - this would be the ideal compromise between those won't a T5 with the Wifi, but don't want the added bulk of a built in HD. It may still be a hoax though - the device does look remarkably like a T5 with a paint job and "Tungsten XX"? I'd have thought X1 or something like that. My money says it won't be a T series - That ended on the high note of the T3. Ignore that collective hallucination everyone's been having for the past 18 months.

RE: Shortcomings
twrock @ 6/25/2005 10:33:07 PM # Q
Ive been staying of[f] the front pages since my posts have been deleted a few times. I guess my presence is not conducive to... [insert whatever you want here; it's all the same].

What, have you got the same syndrome as TVOR? You know, the one where you believe that whatever you say is so vastly important that it should never be "moderated" (censored, modified, deleted, etc.).

I have a hard time believing that Ryan deletes posts just because the poster doesn't cheer for Palm. Might I suggest that your posts are falling into the "inane" catagory and therefore should be deleted? I think you give yourself too much credit.


I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."

RE: Shortcomings
svrontis @ 6/26/2005 2:13:33 AM # Q
I suppose Ryan intervened because of Mr Surur's habit of posting files/links which ruined the formatting.

Anyway, not doubt Mr Surur will continue with his M$ zealotry over at Pocket PC Thoughts. The guys over there just love to console each other about just how superior their WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever units really are. Who know? If they keep saying often enough, they might even start to believe it themselves. Losers.

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Forecast: PLMO entering Adult industry with new Tungsten XXX

Texonite @ 6/24/2005 3:09:03 PM # Q
Well, free associations is something you can't dampen...

Siriously, it looks VERY nice, however I'm quite disappointed with no Cobalt rumored.
Wondering how much it will cost...

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RE: Forecast: PLMO entering Adult industry with new Tungsten
LiveFaith @ 6/25/2005 12:27:24 AM # Q
Wrong there Tex ... PalmOne chose the light by releasing the Pro-LifeDrive instead. :-D

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RE: Forecast: PLMO entering Adult industry with new Tungsten XXX
Texonite @ 6/25/2005 9:00:57 AM # Q
Hmm, to my mind, HDD in Pro-LD series would deny the Vibrator!
While Tungsten XXX has to have it. Otherwise feministic part of palm useresses (oh, what a word) would be discriminated with that product!

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Looks like a Tungsten T5 v2

Zebulunite @ 6/24/2005 3:25:27 PM # Q
Other than the slower CPU, this PDA looks like what people wished the Tungsten T5 was (as in having WiFi/Bluetooth).

If this is legit, I wonder if the T5 will be discontinued, or placed as the new midrange handheld (like a Zire 73).

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Not again

Jeffry @ 6/24/2005 3:27:42 PM # Q
*YAWN*

Am I the only one who's getting tired of the Vx/Tungsten E design? They should invest more money in design or R&D.

RE: Not again
uira @ 6/24/2005 3:54:10 PM # Q
IMO that design looks greeeeat, and pone should keep it. (I have a t5)
But thats my opinios...

"There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understande binary and those who don't."
RE: Not again
AJG @ 6/25/2005 12:40:15 AM # Q
Wait, wait, wait... the Vx was one of the coolest and sexiest of all PDA's. It's a classic. On the other hand, the T5/E I think could be a little cooler but I'm down with it. It is similar to the Vx but doesn't have the class nor the refined design. IMO

-AJ
RE: Not again
JKingGrim @ 6/25/2005 11:44:36 AM # Q
"There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understande binary and those who don't."
=D. Thats funny.


Anyway, I think the design is great. Especially the color. The thread should read not again. Yawn. garnet. I'm sick of Garnet. Palm can go @%&# themselves.

RE: Not again
Take1 @ 6/25/2005 3:34:36 PM # Q
I agree wholeheartedly on the case design. I thought the original Tunsten E was rather lame, the T5 lamer (due to the fact this was suppposed to the the PREMIUM model). The only thing that I like about this particular incarnation of the 'E' casing is the color. Black is great because it hides alot of the details in the case shape/design.

I suspect they decided that everyone liked the design due to the fact they sold a ton of the T|E devices. When it was the PRICE that everyone liked. A cheap looking design on a cheap handheld is tolerable, but on a premium model, a more sophisticated design is needed -- i.e., Tunsten T, T2, T3.

Just an opinion, many here probabl like the plastic shell and 'E' casing.

RE: Not again
rsc1000 @ 6/27/2005 5:48:09 PM # Q
Gee - Surur, we got it the first time when you posted this graph image further up the page. And what does it have to do with this post on design? No wonder Ryan delete your posts. dick.

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I need a vibrator

rokiteer @ 6/24/2005 3:53:15 PM # Q
All that wireless capability won't keep the dang thing from alienating my coworkers in meetings without a vibrating alert feature. I'll stick with the T|T3 until a Palm unit comes out with a vibrator.
RE: I need a vibrator
the_lone_bard @ 6/24/2005 4:44:44 PM # Q
Vibration should be a standard feature!

No palm device from this point on should be without...
- At least 320x240 pixel screen
- Vibration
- Bluetooth, Wifi or both!


I'm still waiting for a midrange 420x320 device with wifi, and voice recording. Thats all I want!!!

RE: I need a vibrator
Gekko @ 6/24/2005 6:25:42 PM # Q

sounds like a personal problem.

RE: I need a vibrator
Masamune @ 6/25/2005 1:45:45 PM # Q
What do you mean? Haven't you got your SD card one yet?

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Test model

Bluevoice @ 6/24/2005 4:57:38 PM # Q
IMHO, this is was the test model for testing the if Wi-Fi and all the other software enhancements will do good on the LifeDrive.

As I see it, at present, the T5 is a somewhat "misplaced" product as the price difference with the LifeDrive isn't that big. I think anyone would pay the $ 100 extra for Wi-Fi and the 4 GB harddisk.

If you buy the T5 now and the Wi-Fi card you'd pay $499 the same price as the LifeDrive (and you don't get the HD and the VR and the LED and...)

So in what price category should this T|XX be? I mean with the extra Wi-Fi it should be at least $50 more expensive than the T5 and it would cost $449 and than the price difference with the LD would be even smaller.

BTW I really mis the "Home" icon on the taskbar and this is the second detail that makes me feel even stronger that this was just a test model.

RE: Test model
Drmike @ 6/24/2005 5:40:19 PM # Q
T5's now cost $329 on Amazon ($379 w $50 rebate). So it does appear as this model is being cleared out. It is prices as low as the $290's (? not including rebate).

But the new T/XX will need to be priced at about $399 so as not to compete with the LifeDrive.

Me, I don't need all that power and/or features; when's the new Zire 73 coming out?

RE: Test model
JKingGrim @ 6/25/2005 11:49:24 AM # Q
>>BTW I really mis the "Home" icon on the taskbar

Good catch! Now if this is a release model and they have decided to cut the home button, they can really go $%@# themselves.

RE: Test model
JKingGrim @ 6/25/2005 12:03:28 PM # Q
Oh, I see what they're doing. Home is now a hard button. What idiots. Now I can't exit from a game that uses hard buttons? This is starting to look like a PPC.

RE: Test model
mikecane @ 6/25/2005 12:36:25 PM # Q
JKing -- I believe Dmitry (sp?) released a button-remapping program of sorts for the LD for people who use games. Perhaps that will work on this (after the inevitable tweaking Palm demands devs do -- *sigh*).

RE: Test model
hkklife @ 6/25/2005 5:02:53 PM # Q
JKing;

Fear not. In MOST games I tried on the LD, the home button (actually a remapped Memo button IIRC) doesn't do anything. In the handful of games where it does exit the title, you can use the above mentioned program to reassign another function to it.

Dmitry also solved the LD 's lack of simultaneous button inputs

RE: Test model
JKingGrim @ 6/27/2005 5:12:31 PM # Q
But how are you supposed to get home if the game that you're in uses all of the buttons? Thats the problem.

And is this spam by surur going to be removed? I say this is crossing the line. I say suspend him.

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WiFi Icon and Processor

AJG @ 6/24/2005 5:52:12 PM # Q
Well, the pictures look pretty legit. I'm down with a T5 + WiFi. The task bar at the bottom has a WiFi icon so that's promising. I am a little confused as to why they would use the 312MHz processor vs. the 416MHz used in the T5 but all in all I'm okay with that. I still use my T2 partially because of the OMAP processor. Some say it is slow, but it is really pretty zippy even when next to a T5. I think that will help with battery life. Now, if only they would put the voice recorder back into it. And maybe Skype will bring out a Palm OS version too. I'm thinking I'm sold on this one.

-A

RE: WiFi Icon and Processor
vesther @ 6/24/2005 8:24:05 PM # Q
And maybe if palmOne will ever utilize an Anodized Aluminum Case for this baby this time around...

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RE: WiFi Icon and Processor
AJG @ 6/25/2005 12:29:54 AM # Q
Yeah, forgot about that! Give me metal! No plastic please. *to AJG's TT2 "I love you.*
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Correct me if i am wrong

Frenchie @ 6/24/2005 5:59:28 PM # Q
But isn't Palm OS 5 liscensed for bluetooth 1.1? This is a pretty good looking handheld. Any info on built in flash?


Is Hue Heffner endorsing the new PalmOne T|XXX handheld?

The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p

RE: Correct me if i am wrong
gfunkmagic @ 6/24/2005 10:28:59 PM # Q
Yeah, PalmSource lisenced BT 1.2 for Cobalt. But PalmOne or any lisencee can simply lisence the BT 1.2 independently if they wanted to. Thus the ver of OS is not relavent...

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RE: Correct me if i am wrong
JKingGrim @ 6/25/2005 11:51:34 AM # Q
Yup. Palm will continue to hack away at garnet trying desperately to make it do everything Cobalt does just to avoid the work of moving to Cobalt. In the end they will end up with an unusable piece of unstable crap and they will wish that they had spent all that work moving to Cobalt rather than beating the #@$% out of a dead horse.

NVFS, Wifi, Bluetooth 1.2, Landscape+DIA, ect. All parts of Cobalt that Palm is trying to emulate and managed to botch very badly. 80% of Palm engineers are software engineers, yet they are to lazy to move to Cobalt, but too thick to write robust and stable code. I hope Oswin releases a whole host of Cobalt smartphones and pdas that send P1 spiraling into bankruptcy.



RE: Correct me if i am wrong
JKingGrim @ 6/25/2005 12:06:56 PM # Q
[/rant]

RE: Correct me if i am wrong
mikecane @ 6/25/2005 12:38:15 PM # Q
If you stop to look at it from Palm's POV, what would you do?

1) Do a Cobalt model?
2) Skip Cobalt and do a Cobalt-skin-on-Palm-For-Linux model?

Mace has just stated elsewhere that Cobalt As We've Never Known It is undergoing changes for the Linux skin version. This means that pre-Linux Cobalt is essentially a dead OS since pre-Linux Cobalt apps will *again* need fixes to run on the Linux skin version (geez, I hope you can follow all that!).

At this point, I'd be ranting against PalmSource.

Thanks again, Nagel. For nothing.

RE: Correct me if i am wrong
JKingGrim @ 6/25/2005 1:24:48 PM # Q
Protein apps will continue to work on POS Linux though.

RE: Correct me if i am wrong
Texonite @ 6/25/2005 2:42:16 PM # Q
Mike, if you've followed the thread on the AAP.com, you should've understanding what Dianne Hackborn was saying.
She said that while Linux basis is more compatible with hardware and seems to be liked by the ODMs, Cobalt is more efficient in terms of memory- and CPU- usage.

Well, skipping Cobalt is surely "yammy" (spelling?) in terms of spending money, but according to PSRC Roadmap we will see PoL at spring 2006, but even then there will be lots of things to implement. That spring version will be useful more (if not only) for Smartphones and not traditional PDAs.

Cmon, I'm waiting for you! Cobalt, come here!

RE: Correct me if i am wrong
mikecane @ 6/25/2005 4:34:54 PM # Q
Yes, I did read the AAP thread. That's the basis for my Comment. I'm not going to start copying & pasting stuff. That's tiresome. I know what I've read and I remember what I've read.

The version of Cobalt that is on that smartphone recently covered on PIC is different than the Cobalt that will be atop that Linux kernal. They explicitly talk about modifying and even dropping APIs. (They also mention now giving access to the CLI, something they said they wouldn't initially do.)

So what would you do as Ed Colligan? Release something with Cobalt "A" and then have the users complain when those "A" apps won't work properly on the Cobalt/Linux "B"? I'm not defending Palm's delay in releasing a Cobalt device. I'm just saying that things have changed. Maybe Colligan will go ahead and do it anyway. Who knows? (Only he does!)

I'd sure like that Cobalt Media Player, described herein:

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=4347

It sounds like everything the current Palm Media app is *not*. (Yeah, yeah, Core -- but I mean *built-in*.)

RE: Correct me if i am wrong
Texonite @ 6/25/2005 4:58:57 PM # Q
Yeah, Mike, that's right what you're saying (it was not meant by previous post to oppose you), but i'm saying why implementing Cobalt on A and then PoL on B would be better.
That's just because A would became sluggish while multitasking.
Well, there are lot more things why thouse two patterns would be good or bad, and one thing is that PoL will be ready to use in PDAs in late06-early07. I repeat, that spring2006 PoL version would be ONLY useful for Smartphones, therefore ONLY for Treo (while not all users like its form-factor as it is now).
For that time even I (being always loyal to PalmOS) would complain about FrankenGarnet (how do you call it).

Cmon, I'm waiting for you! Cobalt, come here!
RE: Correct me if i am wrong
mikecane @ 6/25/2005 9:07:00 PM # Q
>>>Cmon, I'm waiting for you! Cobalt, come here!

Maybe we should set a trap with some food to lure it out. What do Cobalts like to eat?

RE: Correct me if i am wrong
Texonite @ 6/25/2005 11:02:36 PM # Q
Fresh Protein Software I believe ;)

Cmon, I'm waiting for you! Cobalt, come here!
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My Comments

Gekko @ 6/24/2005 6:26:18 PM # Q

1. I'm not crazy about that cheap looking plastic low end TE form factor. Kind of like buying a Ferrari with a 500 HP engine but with a VW Bug body.

2. I really need a side voice button for "Applications" usage.

3. No Voice Recorder/Vibrating alarm sucks.

4. Needs to be STABLE.

5. Needs LOTS of Cache/Heap REAL RAM.

6. Built-In WIFI is good.

7. FrankenGarnet 5.4.999999999999999999. This cracks me up.

I think this device is 2 years late.



RE: My Comments
trophyofgrace @ 6/24/2005 10:57:04 PM # Q
Two years too late, maybe. But right on time for me :-)

"I may die a failure, but I refuse to die a quitter"
RE: My Comments
svrontis @ 6/26/2005 2:23:38 AM # Q
> FrankenGarnet 5.4.999999999999999999. This cracks me up.

Very drole.

I remember when Sony was out there releasing one software kludge after another with each new model. Developers complained about this, but people on this website were crowing about Sony's 'innovation'.

Now p1 is in the position where they have to tweak 0S5 in almost every new model to get it to do what's needed. Are they being praised for 'innovation'? No. They are being dumped on again by the same old crowd.

RE: My Comments
Texonite @ 6/26/2005 2:55:00 AM # Q
One word: COBALT

I've never had a Sony, but I've never heared any complains about any instability.
This is now the issue with majority of p1 handhelds. And users wait way too long to get it fixed.
Innovation is something you're making first in the market. When it was with Sony, there was inner PalmOS market. Now it is not.
Or do you want to call Wi-Fi in HVGA PDA an "innovation"?

While I like the TXX how it's showed now, I do not think there is ANY R&D invested in it.

Cmon, I'm waiting for you! Cobalt, come here!

RE: My Comments
vesther @ 6/26/2005 9:35:06 AM # Q
Another thing Gekko should've added: ANODIZED ALUMINUM. Don't you hate it when the outer plastic casing breaks on you? ARGH!!!

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RE: My Comments
Altema @ 6/26/2005 10:58:07 AM # Q
Time to get a 4GB card for the T3...

RE: My Comments
Gekko @ 6/26/2005 1:57:31 PM # Q

vesther - see #1

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Some issues

vesther @ 6/24/2005 8:12:32 PM # Q
*I hope that in spite of this baby having the same body as with the Tungsten T5, the handheld will be forged in anodized aluminum instead. I hope that there will be LED Indicators and PULEASE, a working power button. Oh, plus the cosmetic top should be reminiscent of the Tungsten T3 instead of the Tungsten E.

*I don't mind the speaker being on the back, but I would like to see the Stereo Jack be at the left side instead of the top, the Voice Recorder back on track, and I would also like to see a dedicated Portrait-Landscape button.

*Third, I would like to see the same flip-cover used in the Tungsten T3 being used with the Tungsten T7. Literally, I would like to see the Tungsten T7 with an anodized aluminum case, a cosmetic top reminiscent of the Tungsten T3, flip cover reminiscent of the Tungsten T3, put the Stereo Jack at the left, give the Voice Recorder back, it has to have vibrate, but see below further.

The Tungsten T5 Form Factor is somewhat inevitable, but PLEASE give the Tungsten T7 the following:

* Anodized Aluminum Case. I'm sick and tired of Plastic Cases.
*128MB or 256MB NVFS RAM, but please I would like to see further improvements to the block management system, each block shouldn't take any more than 8 bytes a block. NO MORE 512-BYTE SYNDROME. PERIOD.
*LED Indicator PLUS Vibrate!!! Grrr!!!
*SD Slot and Top Form-Factor reminiscent of the Tungsten T3.
*Stereo Jack, Voice Recorder, and the Portrait/Landscape Switch all at the upper-left.
*PUT THE SPEAKER AT THE FRONT!!!
*624MHz Intel PXA270 Processor
*Removeable Battery, PULEASE!!!

If palmOne can't afford to put a Voice Recorder, then fine. BUT AT LEAST USE AN ANODIZED ALUMINUM CASE this time.

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RE: Some issues
flevy @ 6/24/2005 9:03:15 PM # Q
Question: This TXXX is coming out very soon after the T5 and LD. To me, this suggests there will only be limited change on the order of changes from the E to the E2

So wi-fi, perhaps the E2 screen, perhaps more memory, and the recently stabilized software. An LED indicator and a vibrating alarm both seem like a stretch as does a metal case but maybe I am missing something.

RE: Some issues
twrock @ 6/24/2005 9:22:23 PM # Q
(Ryan, there seems to be some sort of "digital echo" problem on the web site. I keep hearing the words "anodized aluminum" echoing around the room, over and over and over.... You might want to look into that.)

Joking aside, the T|xx needs the feature-set of the T3, with the T5 memory scheme (assuming it is really fixed), the latest versions of available hardware and software, a T5 or better body (I can live with plastic if it is well done), and WIFI. Throw in a second slot (CF), and I'd finally have my "mythical color HandEra". Am I forgetting anything?

Unfortunately, this rumor is likely going to cause me to wait even longer for my next handheld upgrade. And with the increasing problems with my T2 digitizer, I'm not sure how long I can wait. (Why is it that the digitizer on the IIIxe I "handed-down" to my wife is working better than my T2's?)


I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."

RE: Some issues
mikecane @ 6/25/2005 12:45:50 PM # Q
When you look at the existing T5, you are probably seeing 99% of what this TX will be. They aren't going to do extensive retooling for this thing. Perhaps the one fix -- God, I hope so! -- will be that sunken Power button.

The good news is that, given their history, this will probably be the *final* model from Palm that uses this industrial design. I hope they've contracted with frogdesign for the new ones.

RE: Some issues
vesther @ 6/25/2005 5:16:39 PM # Q
But starting with the next-gen Tungsten devices (literally the higher-end ones), they've got to start using Brushed Anodized Aluminum cases. Aluminum is an environmentally-friendly metal that should be really durable. I'm not sure what kind of metal palmOne used for the Tungsten T, Tungsten T2, and Tungsten T3.

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Just a true T5 with SD wif-fi card

neuron @ 6/24/2005 10:39:04 PM # Q
You guys are funny. I believe this is only a joke. The picture is exactly a T5 with a bundled SD wi-fi card. I can take all these pictures within 2 minutes.

RE: Just a true T5 with SD wif-fi card
LiveFaith @ 6/25/2005 12:32:16 AM # Q
Take em' and post them please. I wanna see how your case turns blue and status bar icons shift.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: Just a true T5 with SD wif-fi card
neuron @ 6/25/2005 1:02:31 AM # Q
I don't have a T5 now. You just need capture a T5 screen, modify the picture in Photoshop, then transfer the pic back to T5, show it full screen and take the picture.

RE: Just a true T5 with SD wif-fi card
twrock @ 6/25/2005 2:25:37 AM # Q
(neuron, trust me, Pat knows how.)
Sure, it could be photochopped. It's just an issue of how well it's done and if others can find the "fingerprints". I think there are enough people who have been waiting for P1 to get it right for so long that they want to believe P1 actually might finally do it. I certainly hope so.


I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
RE: Just a true T5 with SD wif-fi card
heavyduty @ 6/25/2005 11:31:27 AM # Q
..."I believe this is only a joke"...

Here we go again...
I'm surprised it took so long.



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RE: Just a true T5 with SD wif-fi card
numlock @ 6/25/2005 2:59:53 PM # Q
Looks real to me... the status bar has been retooled, the buttons are a bit different in shape and color from the T5 and there is a web browser button instead of the files button on the T5.
Listen to the guy behind the x50p...
Masamune @ 6/25/2005 8:38:04 PM # Q
...which if it makes an appearence again, there will be Repercussions. Phototwiddling isn't as easy as it looks - I've got an iPad with 640x480 screen in the works and getting the buttons right is a bugger. Also, you wouldn't get the hand prsent or the shading effects. If it's a fake, it's a damn good one.

Hang on a sec...
Masamune @ 6/26/2005 10:09:47 AM # Q
Look along the top of the TX. Is it just me or does it look like something's been erased out?

RE: Just a true T5 with SD wif-fi card
2xs @ 6/28/2005 4:18:38 AM # Q
i think so too, masamune. Exactly where the logos have been placed, the pixels are somehow different, as on the rest of the surface :(

But on the other hand, i am somewhat sure, that this is no fake. Think of the fake-discussions of the lifedrive.. in the end, all this pics have been true!

hopefully....


gr33tz 2xs

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What's up with the nav pad?

Marshall Flinkman @ 6/24/2005 11:22:52 PM # Q
I've got to agree with a lot of people here, on what I hope this model has...

1) anodized aluminium casing
2) vibrate (and more stable than my T3, at least--that kept switching itself from silent to custom and making unwanted noises; YMMV)
3) more viable name than Tungsten XX (hey, they never used "Tungsten X"--go with that!)
4) and last but certainly not least, a nav pad that matches the color of the casing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: What's up with the nav pad?
dmdmd @ 6/29/2005 3:37:51 PM # Q
Here is my wish list.
Primary:
1) metal casing (I don't want to spend that much on a plastic PDA).
2) User-replaceable battery

Secondary:
1) at least 400mHz
2) LED and cradle!
3) please do not let digitizer shift reoccur (I am tired of that)
4) large screen (I like everything about TT3 except digitizer shift problem and the rather limited battery life).



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Either a fake or a T5 test model

Scott R @ 6/25/2005 7:36:46 AM # Q
I think this is either a fake or an old pre-T5-release T5 test model. A couple observations:

- Status bar isn't the same as the newest (LifeDrive) status bar (e.g., no Home icon).

- Both Wi-Fi "in action" photos avoid revealing whether an SDIO WiFi card might be inserted. One is in the dark, the other crops off the top of the device. The photo of the web browser showing a page could be taken with a cached page.



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the meaning of "XX"

joad @ 6/26/2005 3:01:43 PM # Q
I seem to remember that moonshine bottles (at least in cartoons) had the symbol "XXX" on them... does the "XX" mean they were 2/3rds wasted when they designed this thing?

If so, then at least it would be truth in advertising ;)

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Tungsten C discontinued?

pfh @ 6/27/2005 5:28:07 PM # Q
Looking online, it looks like a lot of places aren't carrying the Tungsten C any more (buy.com lists it as "currently unavailable from the manufacturer", pcconnection.com and newegg.com don't list it at all, CDW has it out of stock, etc.)

That would be consistent with a new device coming out with built-in WiFi to take its place in the Tungsten product-line.

RE: Tungsten C discontinued?
Chips @ 6/27/2005 8:53:15 PM # Q
As long as it comes with a keyboard...

Tungsten XX = Tungsten C2
Gekko @ 6/27/2005 9:55:38 PM # Q

yes!

RE: Tungsten C discontinued?
rkevwill @ 6/28/2005 1:49:18 AM # Q
I am bettin they don't come out with another one with Keyboard, leaving that to the Treos.

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Hope for $299 Price Point!

jbeedham @ 6/28/2005 3:06:49 PM # Q
I think if they can get it to come out with a $299 price point it will be a hot seller and it will compete good with Pocket PC's. $399 is probably a more likely price point. I would take this model over a LifeDrive anyday.

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RE: Hope for $299 Price Point!
neilmitchell @ 6/29/2005 1:07:31 AM # Q
I would expect $399 and is in place of the T5. This fills the gap between the E2 and the Lifedrive.

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My wish list for TT7

dmdmd @ 6/29/2005 3:45:24 PM # Q
Here is my wish list.
Primary:
1) metal casing (I don't want to spend that much on a plastic PDA).
2) User-replaceable battery

Secondary:
1) at least 400mHz
2) LED and cradle!
3) please do not let digitizer shift reoccur (I am tired of that)
4) large screen (I like everything about TT3 except digitizer shift problem and the rather limited battery life).


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Boy - The Airwaves and Ether have gone quiet...

neilmitchell @ 7/12/2005 1:42:49 AM # Q
No more new news on the T|T7? Any rumors of release dates? Any specualtion on memory size from someone whose seen it?

Neil

Atari-Portolio > HP95LX > HP100LX > HP300LX > HP320LX > Nino300 > Nino500 > HP620LX > Jornada680 > PalmV > Vx > m505 > T|T > T615C > T|T3 > T|E2 > (back to) T|T3

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Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. - Sir Winston Churchill

Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem - Henry Kissinger
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RE: Boy - The Airwaves and Ether have gone quiet...
hkklife @ 7/12/2005 9:21:58 AM # Q
Haven't heard a SINGLE rumor thus far since the initial reports.

Here's my take:
Palm branded (the first new unit w/ new logo)
Garnet 5.4.8
Wi-Fi/BT
512mb flash drive
312mhz CPU
Same battery as T5
Plastic housing darker than the T5 & fairly solidly built.
No voice recorder
No charging LED
No cradle included
Good software bundle
Only a (relatively) few bugs at launch
$399 MSRP at launch followed by the inevitable $50 MIR a few months later.

T5 will drop to $300-$325 to clear out existing stocks. Don't expect any great T5 discounts past that because they don't want to steal sales from T|E2


RE: Boy - The Airwaves and Ether have gone quiet...
neilmitchell @ 8/17/2005 6:31:15 PM # Q
Well, here we are mid August and still no more news? Are there any updates floating around the web, especially on the release date?

Thanks
Neil


Atari-Portolio > HP95LX > HP100LX > HP300LX > HP320LX > Nino300 > Nino500 > HP620LX > Jornada680 > PalmV > Vx > m505 > T|T > T615C > T|T3 > T|E2 > T|T3 > LifeDrive

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Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. - Sir Winston Churchill

Each success only buys an admission ticket to a more difficult problem - Henry Kissinger
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RE: Boy - The Airwaves and Ether have gone quiet...
hkklife @ 8/17/2005 7:25:00 PM # Q
Nope. I have not heard a PEEP out of anyone other than the usual regurgitation of the usual rumors.
I'd expect a rather "quiet" launch for the T7 this fall...and a LOT of hoopla over the WinMob Treo. It'll probably remain slow until the first week or two of Sept. Palm's done an amazingly good job on keeping the leaks sealed until pretty close to release date the past couple of seasonal launches.



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IT'S GORGEOUS!

dona83 @ 7/31/2005 12:08:23 AM # Q
Is that a matte black Tungsten? OMG don't mind me but I think it's beautiful.... I may just have to hold off on purchasing the Tungsten T5...

It's like the Motorola RAZR black edition, equally gorgeous.

RE: IT'S GORGEOUS!
The Turtle @ 8/22/2005 12:18:01 AM # Q
It does looks nice, but features are what matters to me. where is the voice memo, palm??

Still waiting for Cobalt...Garnet 5.99999999999999999999999 will not cut it in 2006.
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Home only on a button? Stupid.

The Turtle @ 8/20/2005 11:05:45 PM # Q
This looks like a good machine, except that home is a hard button.
Whose brilliant idea was it to take home off of the status bar and put it on a hard button?? I mean, the LD and T5 have it on both the status bar and hard button, but completely dropping it altogether from the status bar?? That's just plain stupid. Now i have to reset to exit out of games. Brilliant.

What's next? Maybe i'll have to reset to do anything, since Garnet has been tweaked to the point of near-instability.


Still waiting for Cobalt...Garnet 5.99999999999999999999999 will not cut it in 2006.

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