Comments on: Palm TX External Mic Review
Palm's TX is the company’s finest PDA in years—some would arguably call it the finest device in Palm’s history. With no successor or improved model on the horizon, many of the Palm OS faithful are considering the TX the “last stand” and doing everything possible to extract every bit of utility from a handheld that still comes up short in a few key areas. One of the TX’s major shortcomings is the lack of an internal microphone.
Read on for the full review of a new after-market Palm TX mic add on.
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RE: Ironic, isn't it?
How could we enhance this sustainability even better, while enhancing our wallets at the same time?
The past too much was free or on credit. We paid for our stuff with information no one intended for others to obtain.
IT2 (internet technology too) is required so IT (information technology) is still information just more secure based on what we know today.
E-T
e-tellurian
Completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution
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we_tellurian@canada.com
Nice idea!
The reality with all technology whether we like it or not is the choice for abuse. To counter abuse we must always think of the purpose. The purpose in building is people.
As Markets expand the interaction between nations with unique agreements becomes an issue. The fact that our laws value intellectual property is one of the features that add value and expense.
We must be vigilant not distrusting.
E-T
e-tellurian
Completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution
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RE: Nice idea!
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: Nice idea!
E-T
e-tellurian
Completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution
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we_tellurian@canada.com
RE: Nice idea!
Investigate new possibilities...
RE: Nice idea!
Isn't the TX the one Palm removed the vibrating alarm from, also? Wierd, weird weird...
RE: Nice idea!
Ah, add-on's, such fond memories.
I had an LED and vibrate module from Talestuff, and a hack that muted the audible alarm when it was plugged into my (Palm Pro, Palm IIIx, TrgPro, HandEra 330...)
The weather sensor module was fun, while it lasted.
Null modem cables to external modems, cellphones, and GPS...
RE: Nice idea!
Why is this important? The purpose in building anything is for people. If we offer choices and later have people that want to break stuff so they can call their competitor's offering of poor quality is this harming the purpose?
If we offer a place where folks can do this, legally, rather than in jail will we have a more productive society?
Is hacking a choice that harms the purpose? If this choice takes place in a IPVPN controlled environment, will we have better results?
Building and enhancing choices seems to be a productive way to work too.
E-T
e-tellurian
Completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution
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RE: Nice idea!
We all know the groundwork for these came from Dmitry G. and his research into the innards of the TX. I threw my results right onto BrightHand (including pictures) as soon as I made a working unit just to share the info with my friends and fellow Palm enthusiasts.
Tony has a nice website up and I wish him well! I make them as a hobby, and enjoy making friends from all over the world!
WyreNut
Pathetic
It says plenty about the state of affairs at Palm in this day in age. Fools... They deserve every little bit of economic suffering they've had so far...
Palm Vx (a classic) -> Palm 505 (*yawn*) -> Dell Axim (slooow...) -> Palm TE (great) -> Qtek 9090 (great idea, lousy platform) -> Nokia 6630 (a toy) -> iMate SP3i (not bad) -> Treo 650 (awesome... one year ago)
RE: Pathetic
The company lacks innovation, in terms of both technical and marketing, that it's no wonder it earns ever declining revenue overtime. Perhaps we won't be seeing any more of Palm's devices the next one year or two. Quite sad, actually...
RE: Pathetic
AND - they were the *FIRST* PDA company to come up with the revolutionary idea of *REMOVING* important features from their high-end devices in order to out-do the competition!!! Just look at the poor shlebs with other PDAs - stuck with vibrating alarms, LEDs that work, proper placement of reset holes, and other useful items that Palm has cunningly removed. Next stop - monochrome screens!!!
What more innovation do you want from the (former) industry leader? Leading the way to the oblivion of the PDA platform!!
RE: Pathetic
The issue you are describing is that of capital. Some knew this would be an issue from a competitive perspective so we went about becoming aware and then offering more to do so our products did not start looking the same, with different "brand names".
A brand is built from the ground up. So one can see your thought on the choices becoming too one like.
You seem to have noticed many people like choices. Some choices are more expensive than others, partly to recover R&D resources.
E-T
e-tellurian
Completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution
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RE: Pathetic
The issue you are describing is that of capital. Some knew this would be an issue from a competitive perspective so we went about becoming aware and then offering more to do so our products did not start looking the same, with different "brand names".
A brand is built from the ground up. So one can see your thought on the choices becoming too one like.
You seem to have noticed many people like choices. Some choices are more expensive than others, partly to recover R&D resources.
Huh!?
Palm Vx (a classic) -> Palm 505 (*yawn*) -> Dell Axim (slooow...) -> Palm TE (great) -> Qtek 9090 (great idea, lousy platform) -> Nokia 6630 (a toy) -> iMate SP3i (not bad) -> Nokia 9300 (doesn't sync notes!!) -> Treo 650 (awesome... one year ago)
RE: Pathetic
E-T
e-tellurian
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Design ... Huh?
This cannot be the worlds most electronically challenged attachment, so why not make the physical design along the following line so that users would feel comfortable leaving it attached all the time. Not only that, but maybe "pass thru" electronic switching could allow the charging or syncing if the bottom of the device were the female athena connection? It could get a large market that way.
http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/txmic.jpg
Pat Horne
RE: Design ... Huh?
RE: Design ... Huh?
It would be interesting to know what women would choose for a design. Similar to garments there is a difference in design via purpose.
Pat please add to this if you choose. This demographic, from my understanding of women, enjoy different things within this group. How would you see yourself interacting with a PDA in your future?
Joad, the vibration alert, similar to mobile phones, may be an idea to trade rather than developing from scratch. What are your thoughts?
E-T
e-tellurian
Completing the e-com circle with a people driven we-com solution
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RE: Design ... Huh?
However, is it just me, or does his writing style seems to mimic the babblings of a strange alien (ok - dodgey actor in a rubber suit) from one of the later Star Trek spin-off series?
This is not intended to be an offensive remark... just an observation based on several months of e_tellurian's posts!
Anyhow, I certainly wont be letting him near my wife's Di-lithium crystals - that's for sure!!!
KultiVator
Sick of crappy Palm PDAs? Here's your salvation:
Why hack a craptastic TX when you can buy a properly-made (albeit used) PDA instead?
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6604
TVoR
As long as we're talking about add-on hardware...
This cannot be the worlds most electronically challenged attachment, so why not make the physical design along the following line so that users would feel comfortable leaving it attached all the time. Not only that, but maybe "pass thru" electronic switching could allow the charging or syncing if the bottom of the device were the female athena connection?
Right. Then add a vibrator as someone else suggested. And a charging LED that doubles as an indicator for when you have an email or voicemail. Voicemail? Oh yeah. I forgot to mention: it's the return of the VisorPhone!
I think this is what you were looking for, Pat: http://www.pikesoft.com/images/txphone.jpg
How I miss the days of the modular "I can be anything" Handspring Visor.
David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog
Lazy Palm design? Or cunning manipulation of the Palm Faithful?
Put a decent speaker where the "Palm" logo is, put the LED on the top left corner and shift the "Palm" logo + SD slot to the top right corner. [Try Photoshopping those changes.] Add a VoIP application and watch sales to enterprise + end users SKYROCKET. Of course the question remains whether or not such a device would hurt sales of more lucrative Treos. Probably would. I believe Palm has made a business decision to try and "force" all remaining PalmOS supporters to "upgrade" to Treos, so Palm's woeful lack of innovation in traditional PDAs is entirely intentional. (Even Palm could ship good hardware if it wanted to. The Tungsten C came out way back in April 2003 and has more impressive specs than anything Palm sells in 2006. Pathetic.)
The European CLIE TH55 remains the closest anyone ever got to creating the perfect traditional tablet-style PDA.
TVoR
RE: Design ... Huh?
However, the overly large size of this external mic adapter is simply because that is how big a complete Athena connector is. The DIY'ers know that the only part of the plug that is necessary is the I/O sub-section and a tiny microphone. The mic could sit on the end of the I/O section, where the power plug is. Even using readily available parts, an external mic adapter can be made at well under half the size of the whole plug. But it won't look nice without some kind of casing, hence the huge size. But a company capable of doing all of the molding could make this mic adapter tiny.
In one of my "prototype" headset adapters, I cut off about 2/5th's of the case and still had room to put in mini 2.5 mm jack, a lot more wire, and a resistor. It's functional, but it isn't "pretty".
But the bottom line is that all of this was completely unnecessary if Palm hadn't been so stingy with the production in the first place. I do not believe that the inclusion of a microphone in the TX would have even cost them one US dollar, and it should have been much less since everything needed is already in the case except for the actual mic (which I can purchase for 66 cents retail). As soon as my warranty is up, that mic will be in my TX case. The speaker on the back may not be worthy of hi-fi music, but it should suffice for voice if someone were so inclined to hold it to their ear for VOIP phone calls.
(Incidentally, I'm wanting to play around with some other hardware adapter ideas. If anyone is interested in trading me some blank Gomadic Athena connectors for a "not-so-pretty" headset adapter, send me a private message. I won't talk about it here.)
I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.
RE: Design ... Huh?
Pat Horne
RE: Design ... Huh?
I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.
RE: Design ... Huh?
So maybe it's now the age for the hardware hackers to come full bloom to the aide of Palm. Palm doesn't seem to have shown much ingenuity in the Treo area, and the PDA realm is losing important features by the year - maybe it's time for a shout-out to Dmitry and some of the old timers to come and save Palm devices once again from their corporate overlords.
Why I left Palm
It is sad to see hwat is happening to the PDA market, it was so strong and growing like crazy and then, well it is dead!
Greg in
Jax, FL
RE: Why I left Palm
E-T
e-tellurian
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RE: Why I left Palm
You don't maintain or gain market share by taking away stuff that people need and use - they'll look around for another solution and probably never come back. Palm seems to have learned from this that they should install and push Windows Mobile. I guess it's out of their hands now anyway.
Buggy Whip Add-On for a Dead Product Sector
The PDA industry/market has ceased to exist because its market niche, and the need for its product, has disappeared with the advent of the smartphone.
Now please let go of the past and all of these silly contraptions. Your PDA hopes and dreams mean nothing. Don't fight it. Get with the program. It's over. Welcome to 2006.
RE: Design
People at Palm recognize that the optimal mobile screen for viewing movies and photos, surfing the web, or editing word or excel documents, is *much* larger than the optimal size for a smartphone, period.
Thus, there are two separate categories. This is indisputable.
(Of course, the PDA was *traditionally* an organizer, not a movie-viewing web-surfing word-editing digital media center. Those organizer functions are easily accomplished by a Treo. But that is irrelevant.)
So Palm decided to focus on the "truely portable movie- and photo-viewing, websurfing, word and excel editing" device market, and made the LifeDrive. The recognition of what PDAs are turning into was 100 correct: visionary, even. Even the realization that the new app launcher must be understandable even by an iPod user was visionary. Microsuck still doesn't get this.
Sadly the LifeDrive design was deeply flawed, which led to flawed execution. Quite simply, the LifeDrive idea was broken when someone decided that they would save a few bucks by stripping the RAM out. This meant they had to try to hack the OS to run from disk, causing a cascade of bugs and performance issues that crippled the device. Instead, the LifeDrive needed to have 64M of regular RAM with the HD showing up internally as "Card:0". This would have required few OS changes, and only minor applicaton tweaks to ensure everything worked well with the HD instead of flash cards.
Presumably, whichever suit made the decision to strip RAM from the LifeDrive then failed to accept their own error, and instead blamed the failure of LifeDrive on the *category* of "truely portable movie-viewing, photo-viewing, web-surfing, word- and excel-editing device". This is a mistake, akin to Apple's retreat from the original PDA market. If Palm can't own this category, someone else will. Ironically it might be Apple, who can add wifi and a larger screen to the iPod.
Why is the PDA market stagnating? Because Wince devices always sucked, and Palm don't have a product: they never corrected the fundamental design flaw in the flagship LifeDrive... it should *never* have run the OS from disk.
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"People who like M$ products tend to be insecure crowd-following newbies lacking in experience and imagination."
RE: Buggy Whip Add-On for a Dead Product Sector
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/8032/
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(Excerpted from the thread linked above)
RE: Tungsten C works fine with SanDisk 1GB
Dr Opinion @ 9/7/2005 8:39:27 PM #
They were formatted as FAT out of the box.
I wouldn't mess with reformatting if I were you: I've had mixed results with formatting SD cards over they years.
By the way, the 1GB SanDisk cards work great for watching movies with TCPMP... just wish I had a larger screen for widescreen mode... gonna get the LD for just that. I want the HD for my docs, and I'll run movies off the SD to save power.
RE: Tungsten C works fine with SanDisk 1GB
hkklife @ 9/7/2005 9:03:43 PM #
Give 2nd thought to that LD purchase until:
A. There's a comprehensive patch that's certified to fix most of its glaring issues
B. The price drops it to below $400 widespread availability.
Too many caveats currently for me to recommend it as a T|C replacement just *yet* (note the emphasis on YET). A patch IS supposedly in the works but won't be available until year's end or early '06.
RE: Tungsten C works fine with SanDisk 1GB
Dr Opinion @ 9/8/2005 7:23:55 AM #
I've posted another thread asking about upgrade issues. If you've got some specific issues documented please post them there!
I've heard plenty of FUD but nothing concrete...! :)
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P.S.
Has anyone been keeping up with the threads on 1src where a few adventurous souls replaced the LD's Microdrive with a regular Sandisk 4gb CF card? The unit is MUCH faster with almost zero lag and even has improved stability. What a concept!
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: Buggy Whip Add-On for a Dead Product Sector
Surur
They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...
Hey!! I made associate writer at PDA247. Come see my nattering over there!!
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RE: Buggy Whip Add-On for a Dead Product Sector
Surur
They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...
Hey!! I made associate writer at PDA247. Come see my nattering over there!!
www.clieuk.co.uk/wm.shtml
RE: Buggy Whip Add-On for a Dead Product Sector
i say that this "dream LD" would still not have sold well and it wouldn't have put a dent into iPod or Treo sales. to say so is a huge stretch and wild speculation.
Can someone answer me this - why doesn't Apple leverage the iPod success into an iPhone? i would think the biitch would sell like hotcakes. carriers would be fighting each other for exclusivity. and Apple has to have some nice economies of scale given past iPod sales. Robust MP3 player, great brand/marketing, great style, great GUI, built-in user base, add some robust PIM features and a cellular radio and - voila. Maybe easier said than done? Maybe they're already on the project?
RE: Buggy Whip Add-On for a Dead Product Sector
Because it's a massively complex task to get through the carriers even assuming you have a fully functional "unlocked" device ready to go. There is a huge amount of relationship development, domain knowledge, experience, and infrastructure necessary to even play. Then you have lots and lots of testing, new hardware and software development, more testing, localizations, customizations, regulatory stuff, additional testing, support requirements, etc, ad nauseam. That's why Apple adopted a partner strategy.
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"People who like M$ products tend to be insecure crowd-following newbies lacking in experience and imagination."
They're already on it
By Scott Moritz
Senior Writer
9/8/2006 2:12 PM EDT
Apple's (AAPL - commentary - Cramer's Take) phone designs are more ambitious than expected. And some say its business strategy may aim just as high.
Industry observers stalking the development of Apple's highly anticipated iPhone are abuzz over patent filings showing blueprints for a mobile device that also incorporates a number of functions like a PDA, music player, video player, game player, digital camera and GPS satellite location.
The patent filing, which includes two pages of sketches depicting several devices, covers a broad range of shapes and features.
"You can tell the legal team was involved, they covered all the bases," says American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu, referring to the breadth of possibilities presented in the filing. Wu issued a report Friday on Apple's iPhone plans...
(You can read the rest at http://tinyurl.com/f3k9c)
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650
RE: Buggy Whip Add-On for a Dead Product Sector
Interesting read, although a lot of guess-work at this point still. However, if Apple could turn the telco business model upside down, the US consumer may be very happy that they did.
I'm still waiting for the mythical color HandEra.
RE: Buggy Whip Add-On for a Dead Product Sector
~ Inspector gadget is my hero!! ~
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Ironic, isn't it?
Ok, so personally, I'm several generations behind the times. But still, it just seems... well... sad.
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