Comments on: Verizon Gets the Treo 700wx

Verizon Wireless and Palm today announced the availability of the Palm Treo 700wx smartphone running Microsoft's Windows Mobile 5.0 with Direct Push Technology, adding another choice to Palm's current EV-DO product offerings for Verizon Wireless customers. The main difference with the Treo 700wx is that it ships with double the operating memory of its predecessor.

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Are they Keeping the W?

LiveFaith @ 2/20/2007 8:38:28 PM #

**adding another choice to Palm's current EV-DO product offerings for Verizon Wireless customers.**

From that statement it sounds like the W is still going to stay around. Surely they are not going to muddy the waters with 2 nearly identical units?

Let's see for $400 you can get this awesome wx model. Or over here for $300 you can get this nearly identical w model that is to weak to actually work right. Hmmmm, which will I choose?

Pat Horne

RE: Are they Keeping the W?

SeldomVisitor @ 2/21/2007 5:21:29 AM #

I think it is rather unlikely (like 100% unlikely...) that the TREO 700W, sold only by Verizon (that is, only available for Verizon-the-carrier, I believe), will be bought by Verizon anymore now that they are selling the 700WX.

Furthermore as noted elsewhere (I think this message board somewhere but don't hold my wee-morning-hour thoughts to that!), I think Verizon bought the 700WX simply because they were contracted to buy a certain number of TREO 700s and hadn't yet fulfilled that contractual obligation. (this particular belief is ill-formed and ill-supported...but hey! that's what opinions are all about!).

Since Verizon continues to sell remaining 700W inventory it makes total sense to state things the way they stated them - phones come and go at all times, TREOs not excluded.

RE: Are they Keeping the W?

SeldomVisitor @ 3/10/2007 5:06:41 PM #

Verizon says the 700w is Out of Stock; PALM says it doesn't exist (*).

Think it's...you know...EOL?

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(*) Well, at least I didn't see any way to buy one on PALM's site, drilling down from the home page.

700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

SeldomVisitor @ 3/4/2007 8:50:02 AM #

...there is a physical difference of ANY type between the TREO 700W and TREO 700WX?

I don't mean sweet-nothings like "larger memory on 700WX".

I mean any hard evidence that, for example, the RAM chip on the 700WX =is= physically different from the one of the 700W.

The reason I ask this is that I have seen none - not on the FCC site, not on the Net elsewhere (one would think some small set of endusers would have taken apart their respective TREOs and taken photos of the guts...but no!).

And I would think that ANY electrical change to a 700W to make it a 700WX would REQUIRE an FCC retest of some sort (or can a testing organization say something like "See, the RAM manufacturers says there is no radio frequency difference between these two chips so we don't have to retest an entire device to prove it"?).

Anywho, just curious.

RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

cervezas @ 3/4/2007 9:45:36 AM #

So you're suggesting that somehow Palm managed to reduce the RAM footprint of the OS by 34MB? If so, God love 'em! I'd think it would be easier (probably even cheaper) to just slap a bigger chip in, but hey, ya gotta have your dreams.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

SeldomVisitor @ 3/4/2007 11:07:19 AM #

Yes and no.

I have yet to see anything that suggests PALM changed the physical hardware (your post pointedly included in that comment, BTW) and, I vaguely remember, small datapoints that PALM changed the software by removing something (don't hold me to that one but I believe I remember someone saying some functionality was no longer there - vague, right?).

RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

Surur @ 3/4/2007 11:19:38 AM #

Did they do this for the Palm Vx? Did the Palm Vx have a separate FCC filing from the Palm V? Does Dell have to send their laptops back to the FCC when they up the ram from 512 to 1GB?

SD, give it a rest. Palm least of all people can magic up 32 MB extra RAM without using hardware.

Surur

They said I only argued for the sake of arguing, but after an hour I convinced them they were wrong...
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RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

SeldomVisitor @ 3/4/2007 11:29:16 AM #

So you haven't seen anything either, eh?

Maybe someone will be moved to take apart and take a pic!

RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

cervezas @ 3/4/2007 11:40:29 PM #

Is there any evidence that they're using silicon memory chips at all? ANYTHING at all to suggest that the 700wx isn't using high energy lasers to store and retrieve data in the quantum phase of Cesium atoms? I thought I heard something about that, but...

Maybe not. ;-)

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

freakout @ 3/5/2007 2:22:54 AM #

Actually, David, Palm dropped Cesium in favour of Francium: apparently they needed a lower electron affinity. And you call yourself a developer! :P

RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

SeldomVisitor @ 3/5/2007 7:14:20 AM #

Making fun is fun, but proves nothing.

I'm surprised there is such venom in the responses rather than someone simply opening up a 700wx and putting this to rest!

Hey!

"700wX" as in "700W" X a bunch of software and buffers!

Giggle.

RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

cervezas @ 3/5/2007 7:53:24 AM #

No venom. It would be a happy surprise if you were right and I'd be the first to congratulate you on coming up with the notion.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

cervezas @ 3/5/2007 7:58:32 AM #

Actually, David, Palm dropped Cesium in favour of Francium: apparently they needed a lower electron affinity.

Francium? It has a half-life of 22 minutes! Talk about cutting corners! So I suppose that half of the time the laser is being used to bombard cheap Thorium atoms with protons just to keep the whole thing going. Do you have any idea what kind of lag this will introduce?

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

RE: 700w/wx - has anyone seen ANY evidence that...

freakout @ 3/5/2007 3:16:24 PM #

Ah, but you're not taking into consideration the new particle accelerator built into the Treo, which allows the creation of new Francium as needed. (Didn't you wonder why it was so heavy?) The only problem is that the 100MeV required tends to... mildly drain the battery.

Say, what was everyone complaining about with the Treo 680?