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Palm's new executive chairman Jon Rubinstein told Dow Jones Newswires in an interview yesterday that it will take 18 months before new products come out utilizing Palm's next generation operating system. These comments would seem to contradict guidance from CEO Ed Colligan given earlier this month where he stated he expected products to be available be the end of next calendar year (2008).

Rubinstein's new remarks would push that back until mid-2009 at the earliest. He is quoted as saying "It's a probably good target," [...] "These things take time."

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White flag?

critic @ 10/25/2007 1:12:07 PM # Q
So, unless I read this wrong, Palm is content to lean on a 7 year old operating system and, essentially, hand the smartphone market over to Apple and HTC/Microsoft? Brilliant.

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What do you think, sirs?
RE: White flag?
Phylar @ 10/25/2007 2:12:15 PM # Q
Seriously, they should just pack it up. They (PalmSource/Palm collectively) have been trying to get a replacement for Garnet since OS 6 was announced in 2003.... which no one bought. Then all the Access fiasco stuff. With the iPhone SDK coming out in Feb, and this being forever off, this is the final nails in the coffin. Yet another still born OS. I'm sure I'm with may others that saw their death coming years ago, but it should be obvious now to everyone Palm will just become yet another winmo licensee and fade off into obscurity.

RE: White flag?
InsGuy @ 10/25/2007 3:33:27 PM # Q
Couldn't agree more. I think what gets so many people is the fact that for so long, Palm was THE company in the handheld market, and they remember all the potential that seems to have been absolutely WASTED. I remember a quote or something I read a while back about 'those who stood on the edge of victor/success, and there, sat down to rest, and died'. That is rather paraphrased, but seems to describe Palm rather accurately,

Oh well...what can we do?

All good things...

RE: Dido song?
vorlon @ 10/28/2007 8:40:41 PM # Q
What's with the obsession about the age of the OS? Grumpy old Palm OS is still faster, has more & better software and is more intuitive than the competitors. While multitasking is nice on a PC (like the Amiga demonstrated in 1985), on a small phone screen there's only one application at a time (even on the iPhone), so it's less crucial. If you use a phone without a HF, multitasking is irrelevant.

RE: Non sequitur?
AdamaDBrown @ 10/29/2007 10:20:31 AM # Q
Multitasking also means support for newer standards like UMTS, HSDPA, and EVDO Revision A, as well as being able to load a web page in the background, or take a note then return to what you were doing. Modern networking code means being able to have WiFi and cellular in the same device. Modern driver infrastructure means easier implementation of things like 802.11g, GPS, etcetera. A new OS would also allow improved battery performance, processor speed scaling, wireless authentication, a new GUI, and other much needed improvements.

The equivalent would be if a car company hadn't altered their engine or supported new on-board features since 1987.

As for software, that's been extremely winnowed by the repeated small changes in the OS, and the implementation of NVFS.

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How long does it take?

Doo @ 10/25/2007 1:17:16 PM # Q
I like PoS-5. It just works. But it was built before Wi-Fi and Blue Tooth where as important as they are now. That being said, PoS-6 was promised back when I bought my Zodiac. That was soooo long ago. What did Palm do in all that time? Not a darn thing.



RE: How long does it take?
DrewT3 @ 10/25/2007 3:55:43 PM # Q
Palm has done a lot in the last 4 years. They have changed thier name a few times, spun off and then reaquired some IP, and changed thier sync connector and memory card formats a few times. They also removed the antenna from the Handspring Treo 600.
Sheesh, what do you people want?

RE: How long does it take?
joad @ 10/25/2007 4:23:59 PM # Q
HEY - you forgot the Fooleo!!!

Yup, they've only been working on their next operating system for the past 5-7 years, these things can't be rushed, don'tcha know... It's not like Palm relies too heavily on selling smartphones and PDAs for their income stream.

If I ran a company that derived nearly all my income from selling something that HAD to have an operating system, I'd be damn sure I had solid control over that OS *AND* put considerable resources into continually improving it for stability and keeping ahead of the curve.

PalmOS 5 is mostly functional "enough," but it's basically a kludge based on a design from the mid '90's with all the hardware limitations they had to work with: expensive RAM and flash, nearly non-existent wireless protocols, non-multitasking, no security, etc. It's an organizer with a bunch of bolt-ons grafted in over the past 11 years. Making all the logo and name changes while not prioritizing OS development seems like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Palm has a LOT of work to do to even stay afloat, and debating the "right" color of the Fooleo II casing ought to be very low on their priority list (if they even have one).

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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**

RE: How long does it take?
retrospooty @ 10/26/2007 10:58:10 AM # Q
"Palm has done a lot in the last 4 years. They have changed thier name a few times, spun off and then reaquired some IP, and changed thier sync connector and memory card formats a few times. They also removed the antenna from the Handspring Treo 600.
Sheesh, what do you people want?"

Hey now, they increased the screen res from the Treo 600, and added an external battery as well. And that was all the forst year. In the past 3 years, they ... Oh yeah, added 3g data and removed the antenna, and while the rest of the industry got 1cm thinner, Palm got 1 mm thinner.

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Corp Speak

Magrell @ 10/25/2007 1:18:42 PM # Q
So he "loves" Ed... Isn't that corporate double-speak for "Shit, Ed is a dick-wad and now I have to clean up his mess!"

That aside, 2009!!?? I don't know why I even bother to follow Palm anymore.


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Can we just hear from an actual developer?

bsquare @ 10/25/2007 1:32:20 PM # Q

Seriously, can't we just get word from one of the 4 or 5 developers that are left at PALM to hear when they think they'll get this OS done.


RE: Can we just hear from an actual developer?
joad @ 10/25/2007 4:32:55 PM # Q
They're probably being kept too busy deciding the next rearrangement of the Treo keyboard key layout to have time to respond.

Seriously, Palm has spent a LOT of years fiddling around with minor stuff - even before the brilliant move of acquiring Handspring, which probably saved them from earlier bankruptcy. Someone there needs to harness any talented programmers they have left (and can acquire) and crack the whip on this.

At shows, Access is already demo'ing what seems to be a pretty good Linux "Palm" OS emulator. Maybe Palm should just purchase or license some of the stuff from them to move ahead on this.

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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**

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Ouch!

adamsmark @ 10/25/2007 1:42:21 PM # Q
In 18 months, how many versions of the iPhone will have Apple produced? And Microsoft? Will their product simply become the standard? As my contract with Verizon expires in the next year, I'll be looking for a new phone... or iPhone as the case might be.

"I believe in the atomic bomb."

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Palm V > Vx > Clie Peg T615C > T3 > Clie TH55 > T3 > Treo 650 > Treo 700p & T3!

RE: Ouch!
pascanu @ 10/26/2007 1:24:11 AM # Q
What about the Google Phone? If it ever comes out that one would surely qualify as a smartphone!

Handspring Visor -> m505 -> Zire71 -> Zire72 -> Treo650
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18 months

NikitaChrush @ 10/25/2007 1:50:36 PM # Q
ok its a long time - but finally somebody to tell the truth. So go on and make something great. IŽll stick to my TX until then :-)

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wow

nybble @ 10/25/2007 2:08:34 PM # Q
Well, given a choice of believing Colligan or anyone who isn't Colligan, I'll believe not-Colligan. But, serioualy, not launching anything till 2009 sounds like a tough proposition. Who is going to be left on the platform?

18 months is Q2 2009, so product announcments even won't happen till the beginning of 2009. Who in their right mind is sticking around for that? I hope for Palm's sake that they can put it in gear and hit 2008 with something new.

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RE: wow
DrewT3 @ 10/25/2007 3:58:39 PM # Q
Imagine how hard it will be to get developers excited about developing for a new Palm OS in 2009. They would be better off starting a new brand from scratch - at least it won't have the smell of failure all over it.

RE: wow
SeldomVisitor @ 10/25/2007 4:10:41 PM # Q
Those developers are probably off developing for ALP.

RE: wow
cstamper @ 10/26/2007 12:52:59 PM # Q
Wrong. We're still here, waiting & wondering. And I am considering iPhone development. So when Palm dies, I'll have something to do!

Sorta OT, but I think we @ PIC should all get this free Touch: http://www.flashipods4free.com/index.php?ref=34934%20
Then somebody write an educated article, "Touch vs TX, 10 rounds". Then we can all write educated comments!

What do you think, sirs?

I think the TouchPig will soon be full of 'last' nails!!??

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These may end up beign a couple key comments

SeldomVisitor @ 10/25/2007 2:08:37 PM # Q
== "...We're really setting up our plans for the future..."

When I read that I sorta said "They're setting up PLANS for the future?" as opposed to actually implementing already-set plans - that all by itself suggests a timeline that THIS comment:

== "...It's a probably good target..."

could be taken as even further delay than 18 months can be expected.

RE: These may end up beign a couple key comments
twizza @ 10/25/2007 2:21:02 PM # Q
I will agree, those are interesting comments. My guess is that upon looking at the plans, things were scrapped and the company will get a major refacing not just in devices, but personnel.

Says a lot about the plans that were in place. A whole lot.

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RE: These may end up beign a couple key comments
DCeight @ 10/25/2007 2:43:25 PM # Q
Good point. Essentially product leaks and rumors will start in 18 months followed by any actual product launchs many, many months later.
RE: These may end up beign a couple key comments
pmjoe @ 10/25/2007 5:38:15 PM # Q
I take these "setting up" comments as that the new leadership and investors realize what a mess there is and that they intend to try to right the sinking ship. But honestly, I would be looking to get something into developers' hands much, much sooner. Possibly do something like the OpenMoko ... get a developer's device out there and an early release of the OS (with some design documentation) within the next six months. As I and others have said, in 18 months, there will be nothing left.

Drives me nuts that I could likely manage this better than the overpaid idiots at the helm.

RE: These may end up beign a couple key comments
SeldomVisitor @ 10/25/2007 6:10:18 PM # Q
> ...Drives me nuts that I could likely manage this better
> than the overpaid idiots at the helm

Yeah, but then YOU would be an overpaid idiot to someone else.

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Eighteen Months?!!?

mikecane @ 10/25/2007 2:08:50 PM # Q
As McCoy once famously said, "Are you out of your Vulcan mind?!!?"

So all you Treo weenies, are you REALLY going to stick with that brick and get laughed at for the next EIGHTEEN MONTHS?!!?

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
joad @ 10/25/2007 4:37:37 PM # Q
...what are the alternatives, if I want essentially the same databases and functionality I've had and built up for the past 10 years with the Palm OS?

Seriously, I'd have been long gone from Palm years ago if there were anything as "Zen," but I have yet to see any other system that works as well for me. I've given them years of rope, and it seems the only action that they can take is to keep tying it in a loop and placing it over their heads.

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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
freakout @ 10/25/2007 6:53:51 PM # Q
Laughed at?

K, show me the nearest pocketable phone with touchscreen, removable battery, a massive selection of third-party apps and a real, exposed QWERTY (not some tap-and-pray smudgy piece of crap) and I'll think about it.

Oh wait...

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
m130fullbutcontent @ 10/25/2007 7:30:40 PM # Q
>"So all you Treo weenies, are you REALLY going to stick with that brick and get laughed at for the next EIGHTEEN MONTHS?!!?"

... Yeap, I sure am :-).

Besides the only laughs come from such persons as do laugh & mock on forums like this so that's pretty painless. I've only met happy Treo owners locally. My Treo 680 is only 2 months old & is growing on me. As long as it's reasonably durable (no certainty there mind) I will be happy for some time with it. This forum is after all one where some want the absolute cutting edge & beyond - and they want it now...

There are of course many other PIC readers & posters here who are a bit more realistic than that.

iPhone ? No real buttons - locked to network & no third party software yet ; Much more expensive ; No thanks.
PPC/Windows on my pda/phone - not on your nellie ! (it even costs more.. than having POS)

Nokia have been for many king of mobile phones & my last one - no bad phone either - is starting to get left gathering dust at times, even with it's better battery life.

End of sermon !


IIIe>IIIxe>m125>m130>T3>TE>T3>TX / Treo680

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John's Gospel ch. 14 vs 6, NIV

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
jca666us @ 10/25/2007 8:30:05 PM # Q
>Laughed at?

>Show me the nearest pocketable phone with touchscreen, removable battery, a massive selection of third-
>party apps and a real, exposed QWERTY (not some tap-and-pray smudgy piece of crap) and I'll think about it.

>Oh wait...

Freak, show me a Palm OS device with a slim design, exciting new form factor, good web browser, high resolution screen, advanced multimedia support, multitasking OS with support for Wifi.

Oh wait...we'll stop back in two years. If Palm's not dead by then, they may actually have something.

BTW, based on your criteria, I'd go with a Windows Mobile device.



RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
freakout @ 10/25/2007 11:09:53 PM # Q
^^ You and I are looking for different things, troll boy. I'm just pointing out to Cane that the Treo still has a combination of features that very few other devices can match, and that alone will ensure a reasonable amount of success while we wait for a new breed. Not iPhone success, sure, but the only people who care are fanboy losers on the Internet.

By the by, the only WinMob device I know of that ticks all the above boxes is, doncha know it, a Treo!

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
jca666us @ 10/26/2007 1:56:30 AM # Q
Hey clown, check out an htc device..

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
ChiA @ 10/29/2007 8:58:39 AM # Q
freakout said
show me the nearest pocketable phone with touchscreen, removable battery, a massive selection of third-party apps and a real, exposed QWERTY (not some tap-and-pray smudgy piece of crap) and I'll think about it.

http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_tytn_II.htm

and you get GPS, HSDPA and a megapixel autofocussing camera thrown in as a bonus too!

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
vorlon @ 10/29/2007 1:55:38 PM # Q
HTC TyTN II - for those who think a Treo is too light and has too big resolution, and don't need one handed operation. Well the build quality is better than those Palms that were built by the crappy HTC... Oh, nevermind.

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
ChiA @ 10/29/2007 3:27:46 PM # Q
HTC TyTN II - for those who think a Treo is too light and has too big resolution, and don't need one handed operation.

Comparing like with like:

Screen resolution:
240 x 240 - Treo 750
240 x 320 - Tytn II

Size:
113 x 59 x 21 mm Treo 750
112 x 59 x 19 mm Tytn II

Yes, the Tytn II is heavier but it has all the Treo has to offer plus bigger screen, wifi, GPS and a better camera in a device physically smaller than the Treo.

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
vorlon @ 10/29/2007 5:31:12 PM # Q
750 has for a significantly lower price (500 vs. 820 bucks unlocked on Amazon) one handed operation, ringer switch, Palm enhancements http://euro.palm.com/uk/en/products/treo750v/innovations.htm


RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
ChiA @ 11/4/2007 3:32:43 AM # Q
The above link leads to:

Sorry, the page you requested was not found.
You may have selected an outdated link or may have typed the page address (URL) incorrectly.

If you're having trouble locating a destination on Palm.com, try visiting the European Palm.com home page....

Proof that innovation can't be found at Palm.

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
ChiA @ 11/4/2007 3:50:28 AM # Q
750 has for a significantly lower price (500 vs. 820 bucks unlocked on Amazon) one handed operation, ringer switch, Palm enhancements

The Tytn II can be used with one hand. The UBIQUIO 503G sells at the same price point as a Treo 750 with a similar set of features, yet offers a larger screen, 2 megapixel camera & a video call camera.

We have mobile devices with wi-fi, VOIP, 3G, megapixel cameras and even fingerprint scanners, but the mobile industry seem to have "overlooked" the "tremendous" impact Palm's "revolutionary" ringer switch can have on smartphone use and sales!

RE: Eighteen Months?!!?
vorlon @ 11/4/2007 4:36:40 PM # Q
> the mobile industry seem to have "overlooked" the "tremendous" impact Palm's "revolutionary" ringer switch can have on smartphone use and sales!

Not Apple...
By the way, how many hundreds of times have you seen that some schmuck in a meeting or somewhere had forgotten to put his mobile on vibrate and annoyed the hell out of everyone when it rang, just because it's so damn hard.

In my country, TyTN II in the largest web (and also brick & mortar) store - 819.90 Euros, 750 - 576.90, iPhone - nope, Blackberry - nada.

> The Tytn II can be used with one hand.

Qwerty also?

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18 months - how low will the stock be by then?

jca666us @ 10/25/2007 2:29:57 PM # Q
It's dropped almost 18% in one day.

RE: 18 months - how low will the stock be by then?
TooMuch @ 10/26/2007 12:00:56 PM # Q
I'm buying NOW.

RE: 18 months - how low will the stock be by then?
rmhurdman @ 10/26/2007 3:09:10 PM # Q
The reason it dropped is because of the $9 per share dividend. It dropped because the company now has less cash and more debt. It dropped because the current dollar value of the company is lower than it was a couple of days ago.

Don't buy just because it dropped. Buy because it'll be worth more in the future (if that's what you believe).

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Stock price is going down pretty fast

lavila @ 10/25/2007 2:36:08 PM # Q
Have you seen it?? Stock price is down to around $8 from around $19 it was yesterday, in lesss than 24 hours the company is half the size it was.

RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
SeldomVisitor @ 10/25/2007 2:47:23 PM # Q
Don't forget, though, that the price is reflecting $9 being given to each shareholder, too.

The stock is down from yesterday, true, but it still (as of this post) is up from about a week ago when it was around $15.50/share (right now it is $8.30 so, with that $9 noted, is about $17.30 in "last week's dollars"...).

RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
mikecane @ 10/25/2007 2:52:21 PM # Q
Maybe PIC can put up a chart: Which is sinking faster, the American Dollar or Palm's Stock?

RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
TooMuch @ 10/26/2007 12:12:37 PM # Q
Four years ago trollers said that Apple stock had tumbled so far that "only an idiot would buy Apple stock." Better yet, it wasn't that long ago that you could buy Apple stock for the same price as Palm stock is today. Well, some people waited too late and bought at $8 a share. There $20k investment is now only worth $1m.

Palm stock isn't going to turn Apple numbers in the next few years, but when (18 months or later) new products arrive (they will...new $millions invested) the stock will quickly multiply by 3! And if the products are successful...

RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
Gekko @ 10/26/2007 12:19:01 PM # Q

Colligan is no Steve Jobs.



RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
cstamper @ 10/26/2007 12:54:03 PM # Q
^That why palm has cut&paste?
RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
TooMuch @ 10/26/2007 7:36:29 PM # Q
ALSO...a few years ago Palm was struggling for cash and without a real smartphone (TW was not much of a phone). The stock dropped to $6 a share. People were saying that Palm was doomed. I said "buy" then because of $millions of investment dollars were acquired (a dead giveaway that somebody with money sees the inside truth and its potential). In a few months, the stock quadrupled on news that Handspring (Treo) was being acquired, etc.

Bottom line...the next 6 months is buy time. Come May 2008, duirng stock buying season, the stock is likely to double on rumors of impending new products. After the products are released the stock will jump again. If they succeed...

RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
TooMuch @ 10/26/2007 7:39:01 PM # Q
"Colligan is no Steve Jobs."

Investors are hedging on the addition of Jon Rubenstein's chairmanship, etc.

RE: Stock price is going down pretty fast
iebnn @ 10/29/2007 2:50:32 PM # Q
Apple just got really lucky when Steve Jobs came back. You have too much faith in Palm. But I guess since they're the "underdog" now or something, of course their stock is a sure bet.

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That answers my question

jmccullough @ 10/25/2007 3:37:53 PM # Q
I might as well snatch up a $200 TX on eBay--nothing new coming anytime soon.

RE: That answers my question
hkklife @ 10/25/2007 3:59:57 PM # Q
I'm gonna go not-so-far out on a limb and predict 2008 as being Palm's LEANEST year for new product ever. I mean, we've got a GSM POS Centro to look forward to and probably two or three (tops) WM6 Treos (a midrange GSM WM Treo, a high-end CDMA Treo and maybe a 500v variant for the US) and that's IT. The Centro/690 look to be the end of the road for Garnet, so without a Fooleo how is Palm going to tread water until 2009? Just be WM-exclusive until then? The carriers certainly won't let Palm pull the 2+ year shelf life trick with their current smartphone lineup as they have done on their final trio of PDAs.

Everyone who is anywhere remotely close to being on the fence needs to run out *NOW* and buy a TX while you can still get 'em new and cheap from reputable retailers.

Everyone else needs to either get a Centro or just head to another platform entirely.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: That answers my question
SeldomVisitor @ 10/25/2007 4:13:30 PM # Q
> ...The carriers certainly won't let Palm pull the 2+ year shelf
> life trick with their current smartphone lineup as they have done
> on their final trio of PDAs...

That topic was directly addressed just recently both via message board posts w.r.t. the new MSFT initiative and what it suggested for longevity of the 750 AND by an interview just published on TreoCentral where a PALM guy directly addressed it.

RE: That answers my question
mikecane @ 10/25/2007 4:28:30 PM # Q
>>>Everyone who is anywhere remotely close to being on the fence needs to run out *NOW* and buy a TX while you can still get 'em new and cheap from reputable retailers.

Bah. There is always ebay. (Hell, someday my rotten-assed CFed LifeDrive might be on it...)

RE: That answers my question
hkklife @ 10/25/2007 4:45:44 PM # Q
Yup, I actually just read that right after I posted my comment. The newfound longevity of the 750 makes me think two things:

1. Palm thinks it makes the carriers look good to have a few fuddy-duddy old smartphones in the lineup alongside the iPhone et al.

2. Palm's becoming an increasingly CDMA-oriented provider, at least for their "own", non-rebranded devices.

3. Palm's got nothing else in the pipeline for GSM WM power users any time soon, so this is part of the 750's midlife "refresh" (along with the WM6 update).


Slightly OT: Everyone's opinion that I read suggests something slightly different on this matter. Who exactly determines what goes into a new handset and when said handsets are given the green light? For example, if Palm were to just "create" a mildly upgraded 750 (320x320, larger battery, BT 2.0 etc) would it be an instant insertion into the AT&T lineup? Or if AT&T is not clamoring for a higher-resolution version of the 750 with better battery life, does that mean Palm keeps on coasting until someone "comissions" such a device? And how far ahead and these things worked up? Finally, is the R&D/green lighting/approval/gestation process of a CDMA device drastically different than that of a GSM device (I'd think so--the CDMA devices are all far more carrier-influenced IMO and cannot be sold "unlocked")?



Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: That answers my question
jmccullough @ 10/25/2007 4:52:11 PM # Q
Yeah, and for those of us who want a big screen, no thumboard, and a separate phone--too damn bad.

Had it with Palm
T_W @ 10/25/2007 10:11:59 PM # Q
My Treo 650 has degraded into a state where it crashes >10 times a day and alarms no longer work reliably.

Since Palm cannot offer anything as an upgrade, its time to look for alternatives.

I considered getting a TX, but the thought of paying $ for that crappy browser, laggy WIFI stack, schizophrenic mail app, 5 year old PIM apps, 7 year old desktop and crashtastic operating system in unpalatable.

I'm considering an N810 web tablet with a separate slim phone.

iPhone is a non-starter. I run a Linux desktop.

Any recommendations?

RE: That answers my question
hkklife @ 10/26/2007 12:38:27 AM # Q
Get a cheap/refurb/used TX and a cheap 2 or 4gb SD card and see what the next 6-9 months bring.

The TX is the most stable Palm NVFS device I've used so far (assuming you don't use a cache/heap-gobbling resource intensive app like, say, TomTom).

Barring that, the Centro seems to be the 2nd best of the POS lot but I've not used one yet personally.

N810 looks good if all you care about is web browsing/media but it still leaves a lot to be desired compared to the versatility/PIM/applications of POS (assuming you care about such stuff). I'd personally wait to see what Nokia has up their sleeve and if any show-stopping 810 bugs emerge early on.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: That answers my question
Gekko @ 10/26/2007 12:19:59 PM # Q

IMO, buy a blackberry, iphone, or WinMob device.

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Palm's new Intervention

mikecane @ 10/25/2007 3:52:01 PM # Q
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Palm OS II

stever41 @ 10/25/2007 3:54:40 PM # Q
How many nails does it take to close a coffin?
I think we're going to find out pretty soon!



RE: Palm OS II
Tuckermaclain @ 10/25/2007 5:19:38 PM # Q
There are enough "final nails" in Palm's coffin to build a house yet it still lives.

RE: Palm OS II
abosco @ 10/25/2007 5:29:41 PM # Q
It still lives because of accountants and lawyers playing with smoke and mirrors.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a
RE: Palm OS II
freakout @ 10/25/2007 6:56:18 PM # Q
^^ Oh sure. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that they make useful, user-friendly products now could it?
RE: Palm OS II
jca666us @ 10/25/2007 8:36:55 PM # Q
Replace what you said with, "Outdated bug-ridden devices" and we'd be in agreement.

There are too many things on the horizon:

- Photon
- Iphone 3rd party apps. (weren't you the one who was adamant apple would never release an SDK?)
- Iphone w/ 3g
- google phone

18 months is far too long for Palm to go without a suitable competing products.

RE: Palm OS II
hkklife @ 10/25/2007 9:04:32 PM # Q
I think Apple will first release a 16gb iPhone w/ EDGE, followed by the 3G iPhone. By that time the SDK will be out and the developer community will be buzzing.

Palm's main hope right now would be to try to be a early advocate/trendsetter with WiMax the way they were with SD/MMC in '01 and Bluetooth in '02.

Barring that, Palm could still partner up with Garmin and make a strong push for GPS-integrated devices and a strong set of LBS onboard.

Of course, it's not impossible to think Palm may just try to "coast" for the next 18 months on the last remnants of the three PDA models, the current crop of Garnet-based Treos/Centros, and of course a handful of new WM-based Treos in '08 and '09.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

RE: Palm OS II
freakout @ 10/25/2007 11:46:31 PM # Q
- Iphone 3rd party apps. (weren't you the one who was adamant apple would never release an SDK?)

Nope. I said it made a whole lot of sense for them to open it up, but agreed that there were probably reasons for Apple and AT&T to lock people out at the start. What I do think is that Apple are going to force devs to go through their iTunes orifice in order to sell, distribute and officially install these apps, which means that the ones that do cool stuff - like turning the iPhone into an awesome VOIP phone - will likely be rejected so as not to threaten AT&T's revenues (or Apple's cut of them).

- Iphone w/ 3g

Great! Apple will finally be up to speed with the rest of the phone world. :P

- google phone

Great! A phone that forces ads on me at every turn*. Can't wait.

*That is what Google wants, isn't it?


RE: Palm OS II
jca666us @ 10/26/2007 2:00:17 AM # Q
pooh pooh it all you want - it's all increased competition that palm is ill-equipped to deal with.

RE: Palm OS II
mikecane @ 10/26/2007 11:35:54 AM # Q
Oh my god!! People will have to buy iPhone apps through ITMS!!!

Holy sh*t! That means devs might actually MAKE MONEY!!

And what does Palm have to answer the ITMS? As usual: nada.

Buh-bye!

RE: Palm OS II
abosco @ 10/26/2007 12:56:50 PM # Q
- Iphone 3rd party apps. (weren't you the one who was adamant apple would never release an SDK?)

Nope. I said it made a whole lot of sense for them to open it up, but agreed that there were probably reasons for Apple and AT&T to lock people out at the start. What I do think is that Apple are going to force devs to go through their iTunes orifice in order to sell, distribute and officially install these apps, which means that the ones that do cool stuff - like turning the iPhone into an awesome VOIP phone - will likely be rejected so as not to threaten AT&T's revenues (or Apple's cut of them).

- Iphone w/ 3g

Great! Apple will finally be up to speed with the rest of the phone world. :P

- google phone

Great! A phone that forces ads on me at every turn*. Can't wait.

*That is what Google wants, isn't it?

I could say the same thing about EVERY Treo. "Great! A phone that's still three times too thick!"

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: Palm OS II
TooMuch @ 10/26/2007 7:50:57 PM # Q
Do any of you iPhone apologists actually own one? I did. It is a consumer device, not a business device. To be a serious business device three things MUST happen BEYOND a SDK release:
1. They must close the security door on "root" (which is HUGE and is why it IS NOT ALLOWED to be sold as a business device, doesn't sync with servers, etc.).
2. They must enable Exchange server synchronization
3. They must overcome the weakness of text input

RE: Palm OS II
freakout @ 10/26/2007 9:32:28 PM # Q
cane:
Oh my god!! People will have to buy iPhone apps through ITMS!!!

Holy sh*t! That means devs might actually MAKE MONEY!!

And what does Palm have to answer the ITMS? As usual: nada.

Buh-bye!

Sure, they'll make money - provided Apple approves of what they've created and grants them permission to sell it via iTunes.

Don't get me wrong, I think the idea of a one-stop shop for apps is a great idea that should finally bring the concept of mobile computing to the masses. But Apple are control freaks and if you think they're going to allow devs to make & sell whatever they like, I reckon you'll be in for a nasty shock come February...

Imagine if you could only buy software for your PC via a Microsoft-approved online store. It'd suck, right?

abosco:
I could say the same thing about EVERY Treo. "Great! A phone that's still three times too thick!"

And you'd be right - but then, what do you think they should compromise in order to slim down? The removable battery or the touchscreen?

RE: Palm OS II
jca666us @ 10/28/2007 6:40:51 PM # Q
>Do any of you iPhone apologists actually own one?

I do...it's great...

>It is a consumer device, not a business device.
>To be a serious business device three things MUST happen BEYOND a SDK release:

>1. They must close the security door on "root" (which is HUGE and is why it IS NOT ALLOWED to be sold as a
>business device, doesn't sync with servers, etc.).

More FUD "Nostradamus" - who has said Apple isn't selling them as business devices?

BTW, how many clowns kept spouting off - iphone doesn't support 3rd. party apps. - iphone isn't a smartphone.

Now apple has announced an SDK and there's still more FUD - "If Apple doesn't like your app., it won't get released"...let's stick to the facts as they currently exist.

>2. They must enable Exchange server synchronization

And you don't think that will happen - once the SDK is released we'll see a steady influx of new applications running on a software and hardware platform much more advanced than the Treo.

>3. They must overcome the weakness of text input

A weakness in your humble opinion. Text entry (IMHO) works great - over one million people agree with me.

iphone isn't a panacea for the mobile computing world. It won't cure cancer, but it is an innovative device which blows the current Treo's out of the water.


How long have Palm been trying to sell the Treo as a consumer device? Putting a colored shell on a four year old design does not make a consumer friendly device.

I don't consider the treo with it's buggy single tasking OS, antiquated UI, and cumbersome design to be a business tool.

Even as a consumer tool, the Treo is also sorely lacking...but those colored shells are NICE! (sarcasm)

Treo sales aren't in the dumps for no good reason - Palm squandered their lead in the mobile computing space...let's save a Foleo discussion for another time.

Blackberries eat the Treo for lunch - and so do iphones.

RE: Palm OS II
vorlon @ 10/28/2007 8:00:22 PM # Q
>More FUD "Nostradamus" - who has said Apple isn't selling them as business devices?

AT&T. They don't have business contracts for the iPhone.

>...let's stick to the facts as they currently exist.

Yes. There is no 3rd party apps for the iPhone for the next couple of months. And nobody but Steve Jobs knows what the SDK deal will be. The rest of us will see in February.

I for one would by an iPhone tomorrow, if it would be possible. But here in Nokialand only 3G phones can be sold locked, so Apple probably won't market the current iPhone here. (That's why it sucks even more that the iPod Touch apps are even more crippled than on the iPhone.) Maybe iPhone 2.0 will have 3G and third party applications.

As for the thickness of the Treos, after using the original Nokia Communicator 9000 in the 90s, the Treos seem tiny!

RE: Palm OS II
freakout @ 10/28/2007 9:45:17 PM # Q
Now apple has announced an SDK and there's still more FUD - "If Apple doesn't like your app., it won't get released"...let's stick to the facts as they currently exist.

As they currently exist, the facts are that Apple, and only Apple, decide who gets to sell stuff on iTunes. If you want to sell music, video or iPod/iPhone games, you have to go through them. You have to agree to their pricing and their terms. It's not an open platform. There's no reason to suppose it will be any different for iPhone apps.

That said, there's nothing to stop people from releasing apps via their own web sites... provided Apple make the SDK publicly available. If it was any other company you could assume they will, but this is Apple we're talking about. They are the living embodiment of the term "control freak".

RE: Palm OS II
jca666us @ 10/28/2007 10:27:52 PM # Q
>As they currently exist, the facts are that Apple, and only Apple, decide who gets to sell stuff on iTunes.

Correct Freako - however Apple has not yet stated that itunes will be the delivery mechanism for applications. All I've read is that there will be a vetting process to test and certify apps. Please provide a link that indicates apple will be strong-arming developers or blocking applications?

>If you want to sell music, video or iPod/iPhone games, you have to go through them. You have to agree to their
>pricing and their terms. It's not an open platform. There's no reason to suppose it will be any different for
>iPhone apps.

Like I said - stick to the facts - provide a link that describe that:

1. itunes will be the delivery mechanism for applications
2. pricing and terms for iphone applications

>That said, there's nothing to stop people from releasing apps via their own web sites... provided Apple make
>the SDK publicly available. If it was any other company you could assume they will, but this is Apple we're
>talking about.

Let's wait til February before speculating what form this SDK will take.

>They are the living embodiment of the term "control freak".

Whatever - keep drinking that Palm kool-aid!

RE: Palm OS II
jca666us @ 10/28/2007 10:30:47 PM # Q
>AT&T. They don't have business contracts for the iPhone.

The original comment was directed at Apple - not AT&T

Are people buying them and using them for business? I know seven people at work that are doing just that.

>Yes. There is no 3rd party apps for the iPhone for the next couple of months. And nobody but Steve Jobs knows
>what the SDK deal will be. The rest of us will see in February.

There are 3rd. party apps. today(!!!)

Are they using the soon to be released SDK - No!

>As for the thickness of the Treos, after using the original Nokia Communicator 9000 in the 90s, the Treos
>seem tiny!

LOL!

RE: Palm OS II
freakout @ 10/28/2007 10:45:12 PM # Q
Correct Freako - however Apple has not yet stated that itunes will be the delivery mechanism for applications. All I've read is that there will be a vetting process to test and certify apps. Please provide a link that indicates apple will be strong-arming developers or blocking applications?

No worries. Is February okay with you?

RE: Palm OS II
nastebu @ 10/28/2007 10:46:35 PM # Q
Freakout, you're basically arguing that Palm is fine because in the next 18 months Apple will really screw up and Palm will do an incredibly brilliant job. That's possible, but given the recent history of the two companies, it's not such a good bet.

Even in the most optimistic circumstances, Palm OS II is a brand new OS arriving in a marketplace that will have almost 2 years of iPhone development. Conservatively, there will be 10 million iPhones in circulation and the OS will be thoroughly de-bugged. Conservatively, there will be a developer community dying to write applications for that huge and expanding market. That's not to mention other smart phone companies that will have brought products to market by then. That's a very very brutal market place for Palm to be dropping a brand new untested product into, especially one that will require lots of developer support to make succeed.



RE: Palm OS II
freakout @ 10/29/2007 1:35:46 AM # Q
Freakout, you're basically arguing that Palm is fine because in the next 18 months Apple will really screw up and Palm will do an incredibly brilliant job.

No way am I arguing that! I just tire of people singing the praises of other devices and putting the boot into Palm, when these other devices have their own glaring flaws that are being conveniently overlooked in order to make the Treo look worse than it actually is.

Apps on the iPhone, for the record, is a fantastic thing that will really drive home the idea of mobile applications to the masses. But as a geek who likes to tinker and have control over what they install on their device, I very much prefer Palm's open-slather approach to third-party apps. Anyone can develop one and anyone can install one. You can sell it, you can do it as shareware, you can give it away for free.

Apple, on the other hand, have a proven track record of exerting rigid control over those who want to sell via iTunes. And if they decide to use iTunes to distribute iPhone apps - and why wouldn't they when it has been so successful for other forms of media? - then they'll want the same kind of control over the way iPhone apps are sold & distributed.

If they decide to allow open-slather third-part apps, I'll be the first to stand up and applaud. But it just doesn't fit with the Apple we've seen over the last few years.

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680

RE: Palm OS II
nastebu @ 10/29/2007 3:17:37 AM # Q
No way am I arguing that! I just tire of people singing the praises of other devices and putting the boot into Palm, when these other devices have their own glaring flaws that are being conveniently overlooked in order to make the Treo look worse than it actually is.

But the fact that people are annoying doesn't help the Treo's outlook, which is quite grim.

Forget copy and paste, the iPhone doesn't even do todos! In crucial ways it has less PIM function than the Clie I bought in 2000. But even with that glaring flaw, it makes no sense to buy a Treo right now. Even given the iPhone's limitations, why would the average consumer rationally lock themselves into Palm's OS for the next two years? Given the rate of change and innovation at Apple, it's impossible to imagine the iPhone not being a radically different and much more exciting device in six months, much less two years. The poor Treo might gain a few updates to marginal applications, but the essential outdated core OS isn't going anywhere. Half full of water, the Titanic still floats, but you're a darn fool to crack out a beer and get cozy on deck.

RE: Palm OS II
ChiA @ 10/29/2007 8:48:16 AM # Q
I very much prefer Palm's open-slather approach to third-party apps. Anyone can develop one and anyone can install one. You can sell it, you can do it as shareware, you can give it away for free.

You are referring to the same Palm OS which even Palm admits is no longer good enough for the job. The same Palm OS for which many developers no longer bother updating their applications.

Contrast this to the iPhone where developers have created several third party apps despite the lack of an official SDK for on device apps, in addition to the many web apps officially created for the iPhone. The floodgates will really open when Apple releases the on device SDK.

Apple, on the other hand, have a proven track record of exerting rigid control over those who want to sell via iTunes.

You are referring to the same Apple which gives away free developer tools with every Mac it sells and for which there are thousands of third party apps available.

- It's highly likely that the iPhone SDK will be a free download.
- It's even possible, given that the iPhone/iPod Touch are OS X devices, that their SDK will merely be a subset of the Mac SDK: creating an iPhone app may become as simple as ticking an "iPhone friendly" option on the Mac SDK and a recompile.
- those thousands of OS X applications suddenly become iPhone/iPod Touch applications and these devices effectively become de facto OS X UMPCs.

All of this going on whilst Palm labours on its next Palm on Linux which may "appear" in 2008/09.

Palm definitely has a lot to be worried about.

RE: Palm OS II
AdamaDBrown @ 10/29/2007 10:10:35 AM # Q
I severely doubt that a recompile, even through a smart SDK, will be enough to put an OS X application onto an iPhone or iPod Touch. They're running a 200 MB subset of a 1.5 GB OS, which means they cut out a lot of bits.

RE: Palm OS II
jca666us @ 10/29/2007 12:22:10 PM # Q
I agree - the UI (and touchscreen) is what differentiates the iphone from a mac.

Any apps worth having will be rewrites - however it does appear that knowing how to develop for OS X puts you at a good advantage for developing for the iphone.

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So what now for palm?

drbuzz0 @ 10/25/2007 8:12:50 PM # Q
I thought Palm was dead before, but this is ridiculous. It's over. But what will happen to Palm is the next question.

It's "over" but what happens to the corpse might be the question. A company can cling to life for a LONG time if they're not severely in the red. Palm Inc probably will be able to stay above water for a bit.

Either they'll get bought up by someone else or they may end up defaulting to their creditors and have their assets put up for auction. They may end up in bankruptcy court and then reemerge as one of those little has-been companies with four people working for it (Amiga or something)

They may end up under the control of a creditors group like enron: http://www.enron.com/corp/

It could be that they'll auction off the rights to the brand and then just die.

So it's fate is basically sealed, it's just a question of what will happen to the remnants.

RE: So what now for palm?
hkklife @ 10/25/2007 9:00:10 PM # Q
Worst case scenario is that SOMEONE will buy them for the valuable Treo + Palm brand, as well as Palm's existing carrier agreements.


My guess would be a cash-rich Asian firm looking to get more than a toehold in the US market. Think Haier, Lenovo, Acer, etc.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

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ARGH!

samdapdaman @ 10/26/2007 4:31:10 AM # Q
I do not want to live another 18 months with my t3. It is great, but compared to modern devices has a poor lcd quality, low ram, no sdHC, no wifi, poor battery and due to wear looks like it was rolled under a tank.
Sorry palm - see you in 2010.

iTouch/iPhone II here i come! Should be here within the next 8 months :-)

RE: ARGH!
cstamper @ 10/26/2007 12:57:25 PM # Q
I know that you might like like a downgrade, but why not get the TX? Wifi...
RE: ARGH!
jca666us @ 10/28/2007 10:31:46 PM # Q
Screw that - buy a touch! once the sdk is here, apps. will be forthcoming.

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Just a remedy for the Osborne Effect

RussianGuy @ 10/26/2007 7:25:47 AM # Q
For those who missed Eric Benhamou interview last month, please read it again:

http://sramanamitra.com/2007/09/14/eric-benhamou-the-saga-of-palm-part-3/

It is pretty clear for me PALM is very afraid to repeat the same mistake and run into the Osbourne effect once again.

I believe they all this '18 months' statements just a smokescreen, and ready to bet the house we will see new OS-based devices by next Christmas.

Palm will recover... one day

RE: Just a remedy for the Osborne Effect
mikecane @ 10/26/2007 11:37:01 AM # Q
Next Christmas.

Wow. That makes a BIG difference...

RE: Just a remedy for the Osborne Effect
twrock @ 10/26/2007 11:54:45 AM # Q
Thanks for the link. I really thought it was an interesting read. I'll be interested in the next "installment" as well.


Thinking about Vista? Think again: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
Want an alternative? Try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/ or http://www.mepis.org/
RE: Just a remedy for the Osborne Effect
Gekko @ 10/26/2007 11:57:31 AM # Q

Eric Benhamou: I had put in place a CEO. Carl Yankowski. In fact I had introduced him before the IPO, I wanted the new management team to lead the road show and be in front of investors. They had been in place a few weeks prior to taking the company public and he basically ran the company through the 2000 timeframe and into early 2001.


"In another room, a few executives watched Carl Yankowski's interview on CNBC, taping it for playback at the employee meeting that was to commence in minutes. After CNBC announcers gushed over "the most talked-about IPO," the camera cut to Carl Yankowski in the Nasdaq studio. Usually a compelling public speaker, Yankowski seemed out of his element. When asked about larger screens for palmtops, he answered stiffly, "We are well positioned whichever way the market goes." As the interview came to a close, the reporter said, "I've got to ask you about your suit." Yankowski smiled. He was wearing a very special suit, he let on, designed to satisfy the public's high expectations from Palm's IPO. The shiny pinstripes woven into the otherwise standard wool suit were made from threads of pure gold. CNBC cut back to the studio anchor. "Was that for real?" he asked the correspondent. The Palm managers assembled around the TV set looked at each other. "We're not showing this video," one of the executives decreed. Then they walked out to start the employee meeting." - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471089656/

RE: Just a remedy for the Osborne Effect
Gekko @ 10/26/2007 12:00:32 PM # Q

Palm Taps AT&T's Nagel To Lead Software Unit
3:13 PM EDT Mon. Aug. 27, 2001

"Palm's plan to create two independent leading companies--one focused on platform software and licensing, the other on hardware and software handheld solutions--takes another significant step forward with Nagel at the helm," of the future platform unit, said Palm chairman Eric Benhamou.



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This new OS is always just '18 months away'

Gekko @ 10/26/2007 12:22:09 PM # Q

always promises, never deliverables.

RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
Gekko @ 10/26/2007 12:25:01 PM # Q

"Death can come swiftly to a market leader. By the time you have lost the positive-feedback cycle it's often too late to change what you've been doing, and all of the elements of a negative spiral come into play." - Bill Gates, "The Road Ahead", Chapter 3

"In this business, by the time you realize you're in trouble, it's too late to save yourself. Unless you're running scared all the time, you're gone." - Bill Gates


RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
mikecane @ 10/26/2007 1:55:25 PM # Q
Hey, this is Palm!

Under-promise, and UNDER-under-deliver.

RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
mikecane @ 10/26/2007 1:56:53 PM # Q
>>>>"In this business, by the time you realize you're in trouble, it's too late to save yourself. Unless you're running scared all the time, you're gone." - Bill Gates

Hahahaha. A great quote on the day Leopard debuts -- and MS tries to tout its new anorexic MinWin/WinMin thing...

RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
Gekko @ 10/26/2007 2:04:26 PM # Q


Microsoft Soars 11% After Blowout Q1 On Vista Demand
October 25, 2007: 08:05 PM EST

Oct. 26, 2007 (Investor's Business Daily delivered by Newstex) --

Software giant Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) looked like the growth company of old Thursday when its latest earnings report smashed Wall Street's expectations.

Microsoft MSFT said sales rose 27% to $13.76 billion for the quarter that ended Sept. 30 vs. the same period last year. It was the fastest first-quarter revenue growth for the company since 1999.

Earnings per share rose 29% to 45 cents, 15% over views -- the largest margin in at least three years.

"Microsoft hit it out of the park this quarter," said Morningstar analyst Toan Tran. The company did well across the board, but got the biggest boost from its workhorse Windows and Office products, Tran says.



RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
mikecane @ 10/26/2007 5:14:44 PM # Q
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they had to depend just on Vita sales, Palm would be able to acquire *them*.

RE: This new OS is always just '18 months away'
vorlon @ 10/28/2007 8:08:58 PM # Q
>Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they had to depend just on Vista sales, Palm would be able to acquire *them*.

Nope. Over 88 million Vistas have been sold, and even if that number includes those that are bundled with PC (and wiped out by smart people for Ubuntu), and nobody has bought a Vista from a a store, that's still 4,4 billion bucks.

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Get your vintage Palm

Tuckermaclain @ 10/26/2007 2:45:34 PM # Q
Gizmos 2 go has most Palms/ Clies still available in new and demo condition. They even have the IBM version of the 505. I just ordered a new Tungsten 2 to replace the well-worn TX. It will do what I want and is SMALL. Could be considered a step forward if released as new today. Check it out--retro is cool now.

RE: Get your vintage Palm
Gekko @ 10/26/2007 2:52:49 PM # Q

do you buy black & white TVs, VCRs, and 8-Track Players too?



RE: Get your vintage Palm
Tuckermaclain @ 10/26/2007 3:12:42 PM # Q
I have a restored 40's payphone on the wall with the home theatre stuff that is pretty cool. It's a nice touch with the 60" Plasma and the 7.1 surround sound. I have an old television that is older than I am. A B&W with the tube on top that swivels like the one seen on Nickelodeon. Dad got it new in the late 50's. It's in the attic now while I figure out what to do with it. So yes, sometimes I do.

RE: Get your vintage Palm
hoodoo @ 10/26/2007 4:49:46 PM # Q
I find it amusing and/or ironic that you can buy a vinyl copy of Radiohead's new record online.

Not sure if how I'll get it into the SD slot though, I suppose I'll just use my USB connect turntable and record it into MP3... :)

RE: Get your vintage Palm
mikecane @ 10/26/2007 5:14:01 PM # Q
Gekko, nothing wrong with a TT2! BTW, when are you gonna jump the bones of a Centro?

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Zombies

Poopie @ 10/26/2007 8:35:08 PM # Q
Dear victim, You have been bitten by PALM! Click the 'Start Biting Chumps' button to become a Zombie and start biting other chumps! You can also fight other Zombies, Vampires & Werewolves now!

[Start Biting Chumps] [Ignore]

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WSJ says expect gphone announcement in 2 weeks

Poopie @ 10/30/2007 4:03:10 PM # Q
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/10/googles-wide-open-gphone-recipe-for-disaster.html



The most radical element of the plan, though, is Google's push to make the phones' software "open" right down to the operating system

About Effin' time we have a truly open mobile platform.


if mobile software is cooked up poorly, the whole phone could take a dive. Even simple email software has a way of making my Palm Treo behave like an expensive paperweight

He must have a 700p...

At least open code means that any developer is empowered to fix any bugs that turn their devices into expensive paperweights.

USR Palm Pilot 1000 --> Palm Pilot Professional --> TRG SuperPilot --> Palm IIIc --> Palm V --> Palm M505 --> Palm M515 --> Tungsten T|2 --> Treo 600 --> LifeDrive --> iPhone

RE: WSJ says expect gphone announcement in 2 weeks
SeldomVisitor @ 10/30/2007 7:25:20 PM # Q
And now it has been tied into Verizon tonight.

[may be an OS/server, not a phone, but we'll find out for sure soon!]

RE: WSJ says expect gphone announcement in 2 weeks
hkklife @ 10/30/2007 10:05:52 PM # Q
SV;

Can you elaborate a bit more? Or provide a link? Are you saying the Gphone will run on the VZW backbone?



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Motorola's PalmOS phone

SeldomVisitor @ 11/10/2007 6:41:08 PM # Q
RE: Motorola's PalmOS phone
SeldomVisitor @ 11/10/2007 6:48:08 PM # Q
RE: Motorola's PalmOS phone
Ryan @ 11/10/2007 8:55:34 PM # Q
False alarm, Just a screenshot/ graphics dept mixup I'm sure.

The site lists Windows Mobile 6 as the OS, funny though.

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