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Garnet VM for Nokia TabletsAccess has released an update to its Palm OS Garnet VM for Nokia Internet Tablets. New features in the Garnet VM Beta 2 (v1.01b) include full screen support, three hot-swappable display modes (portrait full screen, portrait windowed and portrait landscape), improved performance and various compatibility and app specific updates. Notable new apps that are now listed as compatible include: Google Maps, Snappermail, Pocket Tunes, Kinoma Player 4 EX and CorePlayer.

The Garnet VM is a "virtual machine" essentially acts as an emulator allowing you to run Palm OS applications on a Nokia N770, N800 and N810 Internet Tablet. it supports over 30,000 native software applications written for the Palm OS, including some of the most popular mobile applications on the market, such as Google Maps, Snappermail, DateBk5 and perennially favorite games like Bejeweled, PacMan and Sudoku.

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Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products

hkklife @ 5/29/2008 10:27:58 PM # Q
320x480....Graffiti 1....large screens...no carrier contract. It's almost the stuff of dreams!

Wouldn't it be fantastic if somehow, Nokia, Access and Palm could all team up to produce a tweaked version of the Nokia tablets running Garnet 5.5x out of the box with the full gamut of enhanced Palm Inc PIM apps, rock-solid compatibility and, yes, G1 support?

Maybe some kind of dual-boot configuration where a user could flipflop between Nokia's custom Linux distro and a "legacy" Palm OS mode.

Or at the very least, make native Linux versions of the classic Access Palm OS PIM apps on the next model of Nokia tablet. Right now, the Nokia tablets' Achilles heel (PIM/organization) is the one area where Palm's devices still excel.

I still want to know WHY Access are going to SO much trouble/cost to keep tweaking and releasing this Garnet VM. It SURELY cannot be to prep for the first ALP devices, can it? And WHY is Nokia merrily letting them do this? Three years ago, the PIC faithful would be clamoring that this a sign of the forthcoming acquisition of Palm Inc. by Nokia!

Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p

RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
Surur @ 5/30/2008 2:41:49 AM # Q
Nokia are not control freaks like Apple. They dont have to "let them do this", its an open platform for anyone to do anything, including make emulators.

I can only assume this is some-ones hobby project at Access.

Surur

RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
SeldomVisitor @ 5/30/2008 8:14:51 AM # Q
> ...I can only assume this is some-ones hobby project at Access.

Yes, that's certainly what it appears to be, huh? Something JUST like that - some guy said "I can do this!" then did it and showed it to someone and it took off from there.

RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
jimn367 @ 5/30/2008 8:34:29 AM # Q
Starting as one person's hobby/passion and saying 'Hey look at this'. That's how a lot of great things start. We may be witnessing a passing fancy, or we may be witnessing a rebirth of the PDA.

This update has me definately saving my pennies for an 810.

RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
jimn367 @ 5/30/2008 8:43:35 AM # Q
hkklife @ 5/29/2008 10:27:58 PM #
"...Wouldn't it be fantastic if somehow, Nokia, Access and Palm could all team up to produce a tweaked version of the Nokia tablets running Garnet 5.5x out of the box with the full gamut of enhanced Palm Inc PIM apps, rock-solid compatibility and, yes, G1 support?..."

Couldn't you pretty much get the 5.5x features through third party apps like Agendus, etc? I don't see Palm ever playing nice here. In fact quite the opposite.

RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
danceman @ 5/30/2008 9:05:22 AM # Q
It has linux and a virtual PalmOS, sounds familiar....Palm Nova. If this had a phone hardware than this would be the best.

RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
SeldomVisitor @ 5/30/2008 9:47:37 AM # Q
Palm has NEVER said that Nova will have a "virtual PalmOS".

RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
twrock @ 5/30/2008 10:50:16 AM # Q
Neither have they said the contrary. It's all just speculation either way.


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RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
SeldomVisitor @ 5/30/2008 11:09:21 AM # Q
Though just about everything IS speculation with Palm - no doubt about that! - the mere fact that there remains ambiguity after more than a year of speculation about "PalmOS on Nova" should say enough for even the hardest PalmOS fan.

RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
hoodoo @ 5/30/2008 12:49:59 PM # Q
Maybe Access is writing an app for the iphone/itouch SDK? that would be interesting. Then I could sync my notes and tasks ha!

RE: Kicking sand in users of Palm Inc. products
danceman @ 5/31/2008 8:48:04 AM # Q
But they did say they will continue using PalmOS, they just didn't say where

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Did you celebrate today?!

mikecane @ 5/30/2008 12:12:35 PM # Q
Don't tell me y'all forgot!!

It's Foleo Day! Did You Celebrate?
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/its-foleo-day-did-you-celebrate/

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N810 as Palm

tzel @ 5/31/2008 10:59:25 AM # Q
I just wonder - how come the graffiti localization does not work ?

And how come nobody came with a PIM suite for the N810? the moment someone will come up with that, and the option to import all palm database we might finally have the purrrfect successor to the aging TX.

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Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again

twrock @ 6/6/2008 8:49:35 PM # Q
Speaking of what Access is up to, Lefty is causing a few waves over at Google regarding their Android platform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/06/lefty_and_google/

Whether you like him or not, the article is an interesting read that brings up a few interesting questions.


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RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/6/2008 11:59:22 PM # Q
"Troublemaker"...?

Moi...?


RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
twrock @ 6/7/2008 12:13:34 AM # Q
Yes, you. Don't go acting all innocent on us.

Hey, I read through the "alleged" thread. I still can't figure out what was some "troublesome" that you would be moderated for it. Seems those Google boys need to hang out here PIC for a while to toughen up their skin a little. They obviously have no idea what "free-wheeling" means.


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RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/7/2008 9:49:59 AM # Q
Very sensitive types, it seems. Maybe they ought to think about changing their "corporate motto" to "Don't be thin-skinned."


RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/7/2008 10:00:59 AM # Q
May I have the source code for ALP?

Thanks.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
mikecane @ 6/7/2008 10:49:47 AM # Q
Poor work by the ususally aware Reg. Didn't mention that fact leftoid is an ACCESS employee. (Or have you already been dropped?)

So, how many ACCESS phones will be out by the end of this year again?

Bueller? Bueller? Hello, McFly!!!

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/7/2008 11:27:23 AM # Q
> ...Didn't mention that fact leftoid is an ACCESS employee...

Might wanna post a retraction of that before people try to use it to poo-poo any other thought you have.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/7/2008 11:29:50 AM # Q
Actually, instead of a retraction change the wording to something like:

== "...didn't mention that lefty is an employee of Access who works
== on Access's competing operating system product, ALP..."

[btw - I have literally NO idea HOW he "works" on that platform - guess I haven't been following too closely...]

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/7/2008 12:16:53 PM # Q
...Didn't mention that fact leftoid is an ACCESS employee...

"...Lefty, an open source guru with Access, the Japan-based mobile software outfit..."

You guys keep working on that reading comprehension. Ganbatte kudasai!

I have literally NO idea HOW he "works" on that platform

Don't worry yourself: I'm generally considered to be scary productive.

Or did you mean "in what capacity"...?

Public relations.
—Nathan Fillian as "Mal " in Firefly

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/7/2008 12:26:33 PM # Q
May I have the source code for ALP?

Certainly. Feel free to drop by one of our sales offices, execute the various contracts and license agreements, and the very instant your check clears, we'll set you up with a Platform Development Kit.


RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/7/2008 12:27:19 PM # Q
Okay, now I know, thanks...er...I guess...not being one to behave cult-like towards online folks I may not actually remember this (e.g., I have ZERO idea about Mike Cane as well!) but it's a convenient little factoid for the current soon-to-be-forgotten "conversation".


RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/7/2008 12:29:08 PM # Q
Exsqueeze me, what did I miss in the GPL about what "free" (*) source code meant?

=========

(*) Yeah, yeah, yeah - okay, sorta free - certainly free for real to the SECOND person who asks for it, right (**)?

(**) Because the second person gets it from the first person.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
freakout @ 6/7/2008 8:44:07 PM # Q
^^ Quoth the Free Software Foundation:

When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
twrock @ 6/8/2008 5:39:05 AM # Q
I'm sorry Tim, but actual quotes of pertinent information is not allowed on PIC. You have to paraphrase it until is no longer has the same meaning as the original. It is most preferable if after you change it, you then reference yourself as proof for some follow-up point. I see that Lefty has slipped into the same mistake as you did, so don't feel too bad about it. Just don't do it again!


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RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/8/2008 9:30:28 AM # Q
Please note that the quote of the GPL exactly confirms the post to which it was in reply.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
palmato @ 6/8/2008 1:00:58 PM # Q
This quote seems more on the point

If I distribute GPL'd software for a fee, am I required to also make it available to the public without a charge?

No. However, if someone pays your fee and gets a copy, the GPL gives them the freedom to release it to the public, with or without a fee. For example, someone could pay your fee, and then put her copy on a web site for the general public.

In other words sv could buy a copy of the source code from lefty and then send it to me for free. Thanks ;-)

(I think the LGPL has more strict terms)

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RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/8/2008 1:43:19 PM # Q
It's a little more than that - I believe I remember somewhere in there that the SOURCE fee has to be reasonably (and that's MY word) close to the BINARY cost.

Since we KNOW that Microsoft Windows costs about $17 per unit for binary rights, we can extrapolate that ALP/Nova is no/little more than that as well, thus the SOURCE fee would have to be...you know...pocket change...

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/8/2008 3:49:42 PM # Q
I believe I remember somewhere in there that the SOURCE fee has to be reasonably (and that's MY word) close to the BINARY cost.

I believe you guys would do well to go and actually read the GPL and LGPL and see what they say, 'cause they don't actually say anything like what you seem to be thinking they do. I'd explain in more detail, but I actually charge for that, I'm afraid...

In other words sv could buy a copy of the source code from lefty and then send it to me for free.

Nope, sorry. That's not how it works. That might well apply to the portions that are reciprocally open source-licensed, certainly not to the platform as a whole, and potentially not even to things licensed under, say, BSD (not to say that we do that, we don't, just to say that it would be entirely within the terms of that particular license).

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
mikecane @ 6/8/2008 3:56:12 PM # Q
>>>"...Lefty, an open source guru with Access, the Japan-based mobile software outfit..."

Eh, did I miss a line in my pre-sleep late night read?

Still, he didn't enumerate the companies we'll be seeing ALP phones from this year, now did he?

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/8/2008 5:57:29 PM # Q
Eh, did I miss a line in my pre-sleep late night read?

At the very least. You would have done well to miss posting in your pre-sleep instead. The fact that I didn't write the article appears likewise to still be escaping you...

Hey, where's that "iPod Air"...?


RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/8/2008 6:35:34 PM # Q
> ...I believe you guys would do well to go and actually read the
> GPL and LGPL and see what they say, 'cause they don't actually
> say anything like what you seem to be thinking they do. I'd
> explain in more detail, but I actually charge for that, I'm afraid...

Silly person (and whatta fraud!) - I thoroughly read the GPL well before I posted a single word about it.

It says exactly what I say it said.

You take an open source anything, add to it, subtract from it, do anything to it tightly and distribute it publicly you are required to make your source available at minimal cost. And the person getting that source from you is TOTALLY allowed to publish it outright for nothing.

You make YOUR additions as independent modules that are NOT tightly integrated with the modified GPLed stuff THEN you can keep YOUR modules secret.

But you integrate your modules tightly with the already-GPLed source and that's it - it's open.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
twrock @ 6/8/2008 9:16:35 PM # Q
I thoroughly read the GPL well before I posted a single word about it.

It says exactly what I say it said.

Regarding "exactly": "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." (Inigo Montoya)

My whole point about quoting is that if you intend to quote something, then do so. If not, then readily admit it is nothing more than your personal take on what it means. No one should be able to challenge your quote, because there should be no room for challenge; you are only repeating it verbatim. But your interpretation/paraphrase/manipulation of that quote can and should be challenged for what it is: nothing more than your own words. And if it is nothing more than your own words, then considering the source and the record of past behavior in this regard, I am not highly inclined to accept your interpretation/paraphrase/manipulation of anything.


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RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
freakout @ 6/9/2008 12:27:40 AM # Q
SV refers to this section of the GPL:

b) Convey the object code in, or embodied in, a physical product (including a physical distribution medium), accompanied by a written offer, valid for at least three years and valid for as long as you offer spare parts or customer support for that product model, to give anyone who possesses the object code either (1) a copy of the Corresponding Source for all the software in the product that is covered by this License, on a durable physical medium customarily used for software interchange, for a price no more than your reasonable cost of physically performing this conveying of source, or (2) access to copy the Corresponding Source from a network server at no charge.


Although what he's trying to say, I have utterly no idea. Is this meant to be some giant "gotcha" or something? Do you believe you've uncovered a conspiracy within ACCESS or something? What's the point, SV? Enlighten us. With facts, links, and direct quotes strung together by a single, easy-to-follow train of logic, please - if it's not too much to ask.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/9/2008 6:47:12 AM # Q
Good grief.

Somewhere "up there" in the comments is a mention that ACCESS's marketing guy questioned the "open-ness" of Android. So I made a joke post asking for the source of ALP since...you know...the GPL unambiguously-as-described says it MUST be available and...welll...you know...THAT would show how "open" =ACCESS= is.

Instead, an obfuscating reply came back from the marketing guy and here we are!

ACCESS is real open, huh?

That is to say...getting back to the real joke....kettle, pot!

Giggle.

=========

But...what is WITH you two guys (t- and f-whatever)!?

No kidding - it's as if you have decided to plant your feet somewhere and let them grow roots!

Sheesh.


RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
twrock @ 6/9/2008 8:58:29 AM # Q
"Don't go acting all innocent on us." (twrock, quoting himself)


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RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
twrock @ 6/9/2008 9:33:30 AM # Q
Since we KNOW that Microsoft Windows costs about $17 per unit for binary rights, we can extrapolate that ALP/Nova is no/little more than that as well, thus the SOURCE fee would have to be...you know...pocket change...

Here's another "extrapolation" (with apologies to Kris; you'll see why):

Since we think we've heard somewhere that Microsoft Windows costs $17 per unit for binary rights and since we know that MS Windows actually isn't worth jack squat, we can extrapolate that other OS's, which are based at least in part on vastly superior open-source code and thus are worth significantly more in binary form and astronomically more in source format (because there is so much more that someone can do with the source code than the binary), are, relatively speaking, worth way more than anybody around here has the money to afford.

(What d'ya think people? Do I get an "A" in Logic 101?)


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RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/9/2008 9:54:11 AM # Q
> ...Since we think we've heard somewhere that Microsoft Windows costs
> $17 per unit for binary rights...

== "...In December 2006, we entered into a minimum purchase commitment
== obligation with Microsoft Licensing, GP to purchase 1.0 million units
== per year over a 2-year contract period. Under the terms of the
== agreement, we agreed to pay a minimum of $17.5 million per year
== ending November 2008..."

Page 51.

- http://tinyurl.com/3bhuwh

> ...Do I get an "A" in Logic 101?

Nope.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
twrock @ 6/9/2008 10:26:18 AM # Q
"....getting back to the real joke....kettle, pot!"



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RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
mikecane @ 6/9/2008 10:50:46 AM # Q
I quote myself:

>>>So, how many ACCESS phones will be out by the end of this year again?

Still no reply from that eejit.

How's that DoCoMo study going? Isn't "study" the polite way the Japanese say NFW?

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
BaalthazaaR @ 6/9/2008 11:02:42 AM # Q
@SV

Thanks for the laugh. It shows your level of understanding of when, where and how GPL applies.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/9/2008 3:30:33 PM # Q
How's that DoCoMo study going?

It's done, and went extremely well, thanks for asking. It was http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4PRN/is_2008_April_21/ai_n25339356">announced close to three months ago that it's an active project. Don't blame me if you can't manage to keep up on current events.

Isn't "study" the polite way the Japanese say NFW?

No, it's not, and they don't put out press releases to say that, either.

(As it happens, the way they say "NFW" is Chotto muzukashii...", but since your Japanese is no better than your reading comprehension, I don't see how this information helps you... And no "iPod Air" today, either. Sucker.)


RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
mikecane @ 6/9/2008 4:11:59 PM # Q
You poor pathetic soon-to-be-unemployed soul from a never-was-and-never-will-be OS company - wanna try that link again, fezface?

So, will those ALP phones be two for a quarter (four for a Euro)?

Only way to make headway against the iPhone.

You know, that phone that DOESN'T have a circa-1990 UI?

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/9/2008 4:15:25 PM # Q
> You poor pathetic soon-to-be-unemployed soul...

Based on some very-recent post of his perhaps he's a contractor now (hourly) thus one never goes unemployed, just off-contract!

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
nastebu @ 6/9/2008 4:45:31 PM # Q
Sorry my pedant is showing, but lefty are you sure about that phrase? My Japanese is far from perfect, but I thought muzukashii was only used for "difficult to understand" things, as it "Ano kanji wa muzukashi desu yo." If I wanted to say, "no freaking way" in Japanese, I'd say "chotto… " and leave it hanging ominously, or if I really wanted to say "difficult," I'd use "chotto takusan..." with the same ominous hang instead of a noun.

Of course, that's the sort of phrase you get wrong and nobody corrects you because they're all too freaking polite.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
mikecane @ 6/10/2008 9:16:37 AM # Q
"freaking" is not the F word I had in mind.

NFW is no doubt what they're saying internally at DoCoMo right now after seeing what the iPhone 3G is offering.

And I'm still waiting for him to list all the hardware manufacturers and all the countries that Save-Us-All-From-Apple ALP phone will be in later this year.

Take your time. I know you have trouble with all those big numbers after zero.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/10/2008 11:46:21 AM # Q
I thought muzukashii was only used for "difficult to understand" things...

Not according to my understanding, nor to http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ek20060725a1.html">The Japan Times, apparently:

So," you say, squinting piercingly at him, "how about that job for me? Are you going to hire me as your eikaiwa no sensei (English conversation teacher)?"

"Ya (Hmm)," he says, scratching the nape of his neck, "muzukashii desu ne (It's difficult, I think)."

...muzukashii doesn't really mean "difficult" in that context, it means "No way, Jose."



RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
nastebu @ 6/10/2008 2:15:06 PM # Q
Lefty, but that use isn't with "chotto" is it? In that case I would think "muzukashii desu ne" means "it's difficult to know." [insert a long string of caveats about me not being a native speaker] With chotto I think you're stuck with takusan. I would understand "chotto muzukashii..." as "I don't understand what you're saying," but honestly I'd be guessing because I don't think I've ever heard that phrase used. Usually people just say "chotto...," ne? [insert another long string of caveats about me not being a native speaker]

I'm pretty sure I'm right, but I'm having dinner with a whole flock of native Japanese speakers tonight so I'll ask them.

And Mike, about NFW with the other f-word, that's a whole different phrase in Japanese. Lefty was being polite.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
mikecane @ 6/10/2008 7:33:44 PM # Q
>>>Lefty was being polite.

He'd need a whole bottle of pills and some electrodes to get anywhere close to that setting.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
abosco @ 6/10/2008 10:44:29 PM # Q
... a whole bottle of pills and some electrodes ...

Mike, we don't need to hear about your wild Friday nights. Thank you.

-Bosco
NX80v + Wifi + BT + S710a

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/10/2008 10:57:30 PM # Q
"Chotto" simply means "a little", and it's used in pretty much the same way as the equivalent phrase is in English. You can, for example, say "Chotto osoi!" to warn someone that something's "a little", i.e. "rather", heavy.

"Muzukashii" simply means "difficult", not specifically "difficult to understand". When you say, "Suugaku no shiken wa muzukashikatta desu yo!", you're saying that the math test was really hard to do, not to understand. In the same way, "難;し;い;仕;事;", "muzukashii shigoto" is a hard job, not a job that's difficult to comprehend.

Here's an example from a book on Amazon Japan, 10才;ま;で;に;覚;え;て;お;き;た;い;ち;ょ;っ;と;難;し;い;1000の;こ;と;ば;, roughly "1000 Kind of Difficult Words for 10-Year-Olds to Learn", where the phrase ち;ょ;っ;と;難;し;い; is used to mean "a little difficult" or "kind of difficult", just as I've described. No doubt you could turn up many more examples with Google.

See http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/images/4990229029/ref=dp_image_0/503-4230705-9899904?ie=UTF8&n=465392&s=books for a picture of the cover of this book...

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/10/2008 11:00:36 PM # Q
Sigh. What the hell is the matter with the formatting on this site, Ryan...? I used to be able to post Japanese here without it getting wonky.

He'd need a whole bottle of pills and some electrodes to get anywhere close to that setting.

The irony in this is completely astounding. I'm not polite enough for the guy who wanders around calling everyone an idiot without knowing how to spell it.

Well, I always say, if a moron calls you "an idiot", what's that supposed to prove?


RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
nastebu @ 6/11/2008 11:24:36 AM # Q
Right. I ask a question about an idiomatic expression and lefty defines the word literally. *sigh*

Hey Lefty, when your boss tells you to clean out your desk because Access is all washed up, here's a hint: he's not talking about your personal hygiene.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/11/2008 11:29:40 AM # Q
> ...when your boss tells you to clean out your desk because
> Access is all washed up...

As noted before, words he has recently used suggest he is (now?) an hourly contractor.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
mikecane @ 6/11/2008 12:04:04 PM # Q


Let's see if one of those damned tags turns off the bolding...

>>>he's not talking about your personal hygiene.

Maybe he means *both*. Have you seen a picture of this goober?!

And he keeps ducking the number of ALP phones due out this year.

Let's try Z-e-r-o.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
mikecane @ 6/11/2008 12:06:07 PM # Q
>>>As noted before, words he has recently used suggest he is (now?) an hourly contractor.

Ah, so now he has LESS time to post. Because, you know, he must find and do actual *work*.

Before, as a full-time ACCESS employee, how much work could there have been?

I mean, didn't he tell us over and over and over how it was the Ultimate OS?

Good thing Steve Jobs ignored those posts and went ahead with that silly folly called the iPhone.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
SeldomVisitor @ 6/11/2008 12:42:32 PM # Q
Suggest only - not confirm...

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/11/2008 1:07:26 PM # Q
Well, I see we've lapsed into complete nonsense, yet again. This seems to be the fate of all discussions here, I suppose. I'm assuming that nastebu's rapid jump from relative reason to out-of-left-field vituperation might be related to his not getting the backup he was expecting on his "understanding," but that's really beside the point.

Just for the record, no, I'm not an "hourly contractor" (although I'd be interested in where I "suggested" anything of the sort, I suspect wishful thinking here), nor is there any prospect of ACCESS either going out of business, or me being asked to "clean out my desk", any time in the foreseeable future. Sorry For The Inconvenience. Feel free to believe otherwise if it somehow soothes your collective vexation, by all means, though.

You keep working on that Japanese, nastebu. And you try to get over your obsessive jealousy of those capable of holding down actual long-term gainful employment, Mikey.


RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
nastebu @ 6/11/2008 2:50:53 PM # Q
lefty, I snarled because I felt patronized. That's not a good feeling. I logged in to give me results (which split the difference) and found your previous post truly annoying.

My friends did basically side with you. They agreed it wasn't the usual phrase, but they understood it perfectly. Thanks for the well-wishing on learning Japanese, sarcasm not withstanding. I love talking about Japanese and it was a fun conversation last night that taught me a few things.

RE: Lefty 'the troublemaker' is at it again
akalefty @ 6/11/2008 3:55:15 PM # Q
Well, I certainly can't help your feelings, nastebu, but I don't take responsibility for them, either. I, too, like to talk about Japanese, but talking with someone who's taking issue with everything you say-particularly when he's essentially mistaken in his beliefs-is likewise disconcerting.

We all have our challenges to bear; of course, how we deal with them is key. Sniping about impending loss of employment and "personal hygiene" over a point of grammar (particularly one about which you were in the wrong, as it turns out) is a good distance over the top, I'd say. I expect Mikey to act like a spittle-spraying lunatic, but I wouldn't encourage you to follow his example.

RE: 'Bright line' of separation (was 'Lefty...')
twrock @ 6/14/2008 8:27:44 PM # Q
Not to pick at old scabs, but this might be of some help in understanding how GPL ("free") software can exist with other proprietary software in the same system without the other software being forced to use the GPL as well:
http://technocrat.net/d/2008/6/11/43198


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(from my profile over at Brighthand due to my negative 62 rep points rating)
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i800 AWOL?

hkklife @ 6/9/2008 11:47:56 AM # Q
The Sammy i800 (running ALP) was supposed to ship "by June".

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/10/business/msft11.php

Of course, the above interview is 4 months old but Lefty said as recent as April-ish that the i800 was still on track for release in June but these sorts of things are beyond Access' control. Everything I've looked for online regarding the i800 + Orange + ALP dates to the February timeframe (if not earlier).



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RE: i800 AWOL?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/9/2008 11:56:07 AM # Q
Given recent competition, probably cancelled?

RE: i800 AWOL?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/9/2008 12:17:20 PM # Q
RE: i800 AWOL?
hkklife @ 6/9/2008 12:19:20 PM # Q
SV;

Are you not-so insidiously suggesting that a similar fate may have (or may likely) befallen Nova?

I would *NOT* rule it out.

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RE: i800 AWOL?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/9/2008 12:22:51 PM # Q
Nova? No, I seriously made no comment(recently) about that OS other than to note (here? Elsewhere?) that Palm has repeatedly mentioned "devices" rather than "phones" w..r.t. so a PDA with Nova is not at all totally unexpected. Or something. Maybe.

RE: i800 AWOL?
hkklife @ 6/9/2008 12:31:07 PM # Q
If we were, oh, a year or so in the past right now I'd tend to agree with you.
But for Palm to suddenly devote *ANY* attention to a PDA-style device of any sort would be akin to......someone suddenly returning to a former they scorned long ago.

Part of the main problem with a PDA is through which avenues they'd sell such a beast. Palm has only a bare handful of B&M retail channels remaining and all of the Palm retail stores/kiosks are gone. So that leaves online e-tailers...not good if Palm is trying to woo customers with a nice new screen or formfactor.

The only other possibility would be a WiMax Nokia N810-style device sold through Sprint stores but I see that as too risky, low volume and Fooleo-esque.

No, if Nova doesn't pan out like they are hoping, I can easily envision Palm just tightening the belt considerably and become JAWL (just another Windows licensee) that just happens to continue peddling a single Palm OS device (the Centro and future variants) as long as it's feasiable and/or the carriers will play along with a Garnet device. Basically, milk the Centro bone dry much like they've done with their current PDA line.

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RE: i800 AWOL?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/9/2008 12:40:10 PM # Q
Well, again, I keep egotistically falling back on what I posted 5 years ago on TreoCentral about mutually-communicating devices - thus a "PDA" could also be a small websurfing device that automagically uses a phone that's near it to connect to the internet, all the devices sync together, etc etc etc.

A mix-n-match "component system" is not an extreme idea anymore...especially since PALM theoretically is redoing EVERYTHING w.r.t. the OS so aren't locked into incompatible data formats, for example.

RE: i800 AWOL?
SeldomVisitor @ 6/9/2008 12:41:43 PM # Q
[wish we could edit posts...]

All the words in the preceding post, of course, assume the MOST optimistic view of PALM's development capability, perhaps a view that is not actually realistic.

RE: i800 AWOL?
mikecane @ 6/10/2008 9:18:48 AM # Q
What If Someone Created An OS And Nobody Developed For It?

Nova, Palm's codename for its own version of Maemo.

How's that swimming in the death pool along with Nokia going, Palm?

Oh, look at how cute. Colligan has his pink waterwings on!

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