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The Treo 800w is squarely aimed at business professionals. Featuring the latest version of Windows Mobile, the device offers out of the box Exchange support with Outlook email with Microsoft Direct Push Technology and HTML support, native Microsoft Office documents, PowerPoint and PDF and zip file attachment support. The device is also compatible with Microsoft's System Center Mobile Device Manager 2008, which delivers increased security and easier smartphone management as well as access to information on the corporate network.
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RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Thanks.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Stock up on 755's and TX's kids.... it's apparently gonna be a long wait for a usable device again from Palm...
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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Yeah, at least six months. We might even have to take our Spring Break. Imagine that...Spring Break and just then getting to use a Nova device. That's a long time. :)
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
You're implying that even those devices are usable. I rarely use the TX anymore due to it's freezing up because of the DBcache. It's just a joy to use a device that I have to use a third party app that says FLUSHING. The last usable device Palm put out was the T3 and possibly the Treo 680.
Six months may not seem like a long time but any devices Palm puts out have been in the development stages for some time now. Add another 6 months and exactly how far behind will they be? Not to mention the fact that NO ONE knows if and what Nova will be. It's just as safe a bet right now that it will be a Turd as that it would be a decent OP. Those like TooMuch either have TooMuch blind faith in Palm or are planted here from Palm. All we really have to go on is Palms track record. Cobalt ring a bell???
The last known classic PDA user.
I've recently upgraded from a Palm TX to a Newton MP2000!
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
And there are still plenty of days left to go - just in *this* year.
Nova? Palm? Relics. Soon to exist only as wikipedia entries. Then only as wikipedia foonotes.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Palm on the other seems to be putting all their energy into expanding the "me too" Windows Mobile platform. "WiFi?" whoa!! "GPS?" amazingggzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ.
If Palm can't even get their own operating system up and running soon, it'll be like Steve Jobs deciding to ship Macs with Windows 95. It's where Palm is right now - nothing unique about them except the nice keyboard and design Handspring handed them years ago... And Blackberry's nearly cloned that by now - 1 touchscreen and some OS improvements away from putting Palm into oblivion.
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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
That is if you ignore Centro & 800w brought to market in the last year during the "death day's of Palm". I thought they were supposed to dead and gone by now. Why don't they just die like they are supposed to so that everyone can move on to another platform that still doesn't do things as easy as the ancient Palm OS? Somebody needs to help Palm follow the plan better.
And yes, I still hold out hope for Palm. But it's OK with me if you want to move on. I understand. If Nova fails, then, and only then, will I be ready to move on.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
EIGHT YEARS LATER.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Who programmed it? Microsoft?
Gosh.
Go Palm go!
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Aside from the tradition Treo "smile" keyboard & ring/vibrate switch, Palm doesn't appear to have done much heavy lifting at all on this one.
The 800w (and to a lesser extent the Centro) seems like a return to the 2002-2004 "bad ol' days of Palm that actually weren't so bad in hindsight". Back when they were being playing an amusing cat & mouse game with Sony, Compaq etc., they released a handful of decently spec'd PDAs that were usually crippled not by lame specs but by quality control bugs or weak battery life or some major design blunder (Treo 650 (NVFS bugs & too little RAM), T|T3 (undersized battery & wobbly slider), T|T (poor audio output and weak screen), T|C (mono audio output) etc).
I'd love to see an 800wx on Verizon in 6 months' time with a juiced up CPU, a brighter/whiter LCD, and a 1500mAh battery standard. Yee haw!
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
See I thought we currently were in the death days of Palm.
Palm may not be dead but it sure is emitting a stench.
The last known classic PDA user.
I've recently upgraded from a Palm TX to a Newton MP2000!
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
I think a lot of Palm pessimists were earmarking the 800w as THE make or break product for Palm, at least for this year. Since it fulfilled most of its initial promises, all that's left (and the biggest key IMO) is to see how 800w sell-through goes and how quickly they can get it onto Verizon, Alltel, Telus etc.
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
If HTC built it and Microsoft programmed why is it faster than HTC's own competition, which has double processor speeds that eat more battery? HTC built there own products that Microsoft programmed. Go Palm go!
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
So Asus, HTC, Inventec, or whomever is the one for the kudos.
And Palm for stamping their logo on them.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
The last known classic PDA user.
I've recently upgraded from a Palm TX to a Newton MP2000!
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Only at a Palm site do we long for what "could be" in 6 months ... on the DAY OF RELEASE of the latest device. I think I've heard this about 12 times in a row now. Cannot remember real excitement without too many groans since the TT3.
Pat Horne
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
This one clashes with my socks. I'll spend $700 on a different phone.
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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Who designed and built the 800w? Asus? Htc?
I'm not absolutely certain, but I strongly suspect it's HTC. The styling and feel of the device reminds me of their recent models.
TooMuch wrote:
If HTC built it and Microsoft programmed why is it faster than HTC's own competition, which has double processor speeds that eat more battery?
It's not. Performance is about what you'd expect for a ~300 MHz CPU.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Yep. I didn't say otherwise. I was simply pointing out that in the YouTube video the Treo 800w was functionally faster to operate than HTC's self branded Diamond. The Diamond (like many others) is cool but not a functionally fast unit. It takes too many taps and swipes to do things. That makes it function slower. Further, the Treo 800w apparently processes simple web scrolling more than twice the speed of HTC's own Titan. So, apparently Palm DID some engineering with HTC (or whoever) that made it a better machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XApljwMCUPU
"It's not. Performance is about what you'd expect for a ~300 MHz CPU."
Yes. Again, my point is that in the YouTube video it is out performing (Titan 2) a 500 MHz CPU. This again points out that MHz is not always the answer to speed and efficiency.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Agreed. Palm has under performed in the last 5 years. I am holding out for the impact of Rubenstein and Co. though. I have a renewed expectancy for Nova, etc. We'll see. At this point I have optimism over pessimism.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
I actually did benchmarks on the device and compared it to other competing devices. It's slower-1.06 versus 1.3 Mflops-than the HTC Mogul, which shares the same processor as the TyTN II. This is to be expected, since the Mogul and the TyTN II run at 400 MHz and the 800w runs around ~333.
You just can't magically produce more performance out of a slower processor running the same OS. It has to come out of somewhere, either less software running or making the processor faster.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
You're new here, eh?
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**Another vote for a >100MB RAM Treo**
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
For god's sake, how can I turn back the file clock to get my data from the LifeDrive back onto the S320?! REALLY!
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Microsoft isn't in the habit of letting other companies rewrite their OS, and I doubt Palm would have the time either way.
A good ROM image can do wonders for a device's speed, but I've seen nothing to indicate that the 800w stock ROM is a good one.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
Microsoft isn't in the habit of letting other companies rewrite their OS
Actually not true... They just make sure to own the new code. WindohsNT (4.0 IIRC) kernel was re-written by DEC engineers before the company collapsed. All the rest of the windos releases through XP used that kernel.
RE: The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/treo_800w_direct3d_hardware_ac.html
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The Samsung Instinct obviously is not a 'smartphone'
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