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Palm Pre YouTubeEveythingPre and the TreoCentral forums have picked up and posted a set of newly leaked Palm Pre spy shots. The new pics were apparently posted to a Twitter account this afternoon and then quickly pulled.

While yet another round of pics of the Pre is not usually notable, one of the included shot shows a previously unseen native YouTube application. The blurry, and presumably camera-phone snapped shots, appear to have been taken today. The other images show a close up of the email composition screen and a quick size comparison with an iPhone.

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Bah....

twrock @ 4/23/2009 6:08:46 PM # Q
Looks like Ryan got sucked in again, repeating these baseless rumours as if they were real news. We all know that the Pre and webOS are just vapourware and Palm will never release them. A minor investigation into these supposed "Pre" photos will reveal they are nothing more than mockups. Pat does better work than this!

This is nothing more than someone trying to pump up the stock price a little higher. Don't get sucked in people!

Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?

RE: Bah....
monkeyking @ 4/24/2009 2:26:15 AM # Q
Heh... *giggle*
RE: Bah....
SeldomVisitor @ 4/24/2009 3:40:35 AM # Q
Nah, Palm has realized they're only going to be selling the Pre to dedicated Fanboys so have to try to maintain "the gush" until it's out of beta. They do that, of course, with nice meaningless and contentfree blurrycam leaks.

No one else in the world even knows about the Pre.

Or if they DO know about the Pre, it's because of Howard Stern saying the Blackberry was better of "Angelina Jolie" saying the screen scratches too easily.

RE: Bah....
Konstantin @ 4/24/2009 5:18:53 PM # Q
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Pre

palmit @ 4/23/2009 6:25:17 PM # Q
I hope that vaporware comes out next month!
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LiveFaith @ 4/23/2009 9:08:22 PM # M Q
Thanks for the props Rock! But, I of course, never deal in fakes.
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SeldomVisitor @ 4/24/2009 3:37:57 AM # Q
> I hope that vaporware comes out next month!

If it does we can stop calling it vaporware.

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twrock @ 4/24/2009 3:57:05 AM # Q
SeldomVisitor wrote:
If it does we can stop calling it vaporware.

Help me out here. Besides you, who was that other guy who didn't understand the term? I can't remember.



Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?

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SeldomVisitor @ 4/24/2009 4:15:48 AM # Q
You failed to check out the definition, huh?

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twrock @ 4/24/2009 5:09:12 AM # Q
Wow, what they say is really true. You old people really do have memory problems.

Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?
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SeldomVisitor @ 4/24/2009 5:27:07 AM # Q
Plenty of choices here. Pick and choose til you find one you like. Just stay away from the Dictionary sites.

http://www.google.com/search?q=vaporware+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


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twrock @ 4/24/2009 8:15:52 AM # Q
Yep, your memory really is completely gone. Here, let me help you. We've been through this before. I was completely convinced you were full of crap last time too. Remember?

Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?
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twrock @ 4/24/2009 8:54:48 AM # Q
Since my memory slips at times as well, I went ahead and played along (again!). So how about the PC Mag definition straight from that link you gave me?

Definition of: vaporware
Software that is not yet in production, but the announced delivery date has long since passed.

So help me with my memory. When has Palm announced the delivery date will be? (Notice that I used the word "will", which points to some date in the future, which should give you at least a little bit of a clue that the date has not yet passed.) And, according to the definition you pointed me to, that date very obviously has not "long since passed."

So is it a language problem for you or some other kind of comprehension deficiency? Why is it you keep having the same problem over and over again misunderstanding that word?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Inigo Montoya

Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?

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SeldomVisitor @ 4/24/2009 9:27:47 AM # Q
Giggle...took a lot of hunting through those search results to find one ya lkiked, huh?

Lol!

Here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=vaporware+definition

Try again!

HA HA HA!


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freakout @ 4/24/2009 9:39:25 AM # Q
Just stay away from the Dictionary sites.

right. 'cause who'd trust the definition of a word that came from a dictionary?

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SeldomVisitor @ 4/24/2009 9:57:44 AM # Q
> ...'cause who'd trust the definition of a word that came from a dictionary?

Exactly - and that's why he had to stay away from those sites, the sites from which MY definition came, not his.

Giggle.

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freakout @ 4/24/2009 4:03:49 PM # Q
Dictionary.die.net

/vay'pr-weir/ Products announced far in advance of
any release (which may or may not actually take place).

At most, Pre will be out within six months of its announcement and the only person who doubts it will actually be released is you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vaporware

Computer Slang. a product, esp. software, that is promoted or marketed while it is still in development and that may never be produced.

Again, considering Pre's release is pretty much guaranteed by the end of June...

Merriam-Webster

: a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available

I think we all see the pattern, no? So, enjoy calling Pre vaporware SV - you've only got two months left to do it, max...

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freakout @ 4/24/2009 4:04:13 PM # Q
Dictionary.die.net

/vay'pr-weir/ Products announced far in advance of
any release (which may or may not actually take place).

At most, Pre will be out within six months of its announcement and the only person who doubts it will actually be released is you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vaporware

Computer Slang. a product, esp. software, that is promoted or marketed while it is still in development and that may never be produced.

Again, considering Pre's release is pretty much guaranteed by the end of June...

Merriam-Webster

: a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available

I think we all see the pattern, no? So, enjoy calling Pre vaporware SV - you've only got two months left to do it, max...

RE: Pre
twrock @ 4/24/2009 4:30:02 PM # Q
SV, what in the world are you talking about?!!
SeldomVisitor wrote:
Plenty of choices here. Pick and choose til you find one you like. Just stay away from the Dictionary sites.

http://www.google.com/search?q=vaporware+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


I did exactly what you told me to. I clicked on the link YOU gave me. The first link in that list was a "dictionary site". YOU told me to stay away from the dictionary sites, so I clicked on the second one, which was the PC Mag site. I took the first definition I saw. I looked no further. It really was that easy.

I concluded once again that you are simply full of crap. I played your game according to your rules and showed you that you were wrong? Have you got some serious problem with being wrong? 'Cause if you do, you might want to stop posting so much rubbish. That just might help.

So the next time I point out that you are full of crap when it comes to the use of the word "vaporware", please forgive me if I refuse to jump through your hoops in order to once again show you how you are wrong. It's a complete waste of my time (as is even reading the majority of your posts).


Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?

'INCONCEIVABLE!'
2klbs @ 4/24/2009 7:17:14 PM # Q
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Inigo Montoya

In the interest of fair play, and for the record, I believe it was one my posts a few weeks back that got this latest lexicon volley going. As an 11 year lurker and recent registrant on this site, the back and forth simultaneously escalated and degenerated so quickly I hesitated to step back in until it re-combusted here. The debate of the term has a history here that long predates my post, but I think it was TwoRock that chided me on its use.

At the time, I did not intend to use the word disparagingly in relation to the Pre, but pulled from the colloquial use. It came to mind after an unrelated conversation with an attorney over a patent defense for a product that was never produced by the filer, and we had parsed the meaning of the word ad nauseum. These three references were pulled, in addition to the normal dictionary sources, without much adverse selection or digging.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Vapourware
http://www.nettedautomation.com/glossary_menue/glossary_v.html

When posted, the Pre release date was even more general that it is now, and the feature set was still fluid and being defined. I recall OS6/Cobalt and the Foleo were also referenced; two Palm non-products in which I don't think anyone would argue the term was incorrectly applied. I believe the first paragraph of the Wikipedia page fit the situation well after the initial announcement with the information at hand. Arguments could be made that the product description fit(s) 2 or more of the 5 "types" listed in the first citation from Wikipedia. OTO, as we move closer to the release date I suppose the last sentence there takes more importance, if anyone gives importance at all to Wikipedia.

The second citation in Wiktionary was (and still is) fairly representative of the differences in the use and "street" meanings of this term, even within the tech industry, especially as evidenced by the history of of the page mods and contributions. The descriptions here could be lead it to be labeled either an "idiom" or "vulgarism" depending on your perspective.

The last one showed up on the the lawsuit and is fairly benign.

For anyone who has thought my posts worth reading, I think you'll glean that while my past frustration with Palm has built some healthy skepticism of the pending execution of the Pre and its related product set, I have hope and nostalgia for everything Palm, despite the fact that the final product may or may not be for me. I have no agenda further than that except that I need to make a decision on my next smartphone purchase soon, if my 755p dies for the 6th time. With little exception, I appreciate the (mostly) erudite opinions here.

As an aside, double points for the reference, TW.
End of Contract with Sprint- to become a "Pre-vert" or go Android?

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Here's another 'leak'

SeldomVisitor @ 4/27/2009 10:33:33 AM # Q
Ya like some of those details?

http://www.precentral.net/sprint-leak-remote-backupwipe-memory-management-and-more

Guess generic copy-n-paste has a security problem, huh?

[the 'Net is abuzz about this particular item, BTW...]

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