Quickies: Treo 270 and 90, NR70, Rebates, QPose

Walter Mossberg from the Wall Street Journal says the Treo 270 will be introduced next week for $500. He also mentions the Treo 90, with a color screen and no built-in mobile phone, for $300. Update: Cnet has the same info on the 270. -Paul Cedfeldt

Sony will not bring out a European version of the NR70, which is a NR70V minus the camera, according to a ZDnet article. -Ed

OfficeMax is now offering a $75 giftcard with purchase of the Palm m130 and a $100 one with purchase of a Palm i705. Office Depot is offering a $50 mail-in rebate on the Symbol SPT 1500. -Eric

QPose is a Palm OS emulator that is still in beta for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5500. It is based on POSE, the Palm OS Emulator that Palm Inc. developed. -Larry

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Treo's next week

ptc @ 5/23/2002 1:58:37 PM #
CNET says next Tuesday (5/28) for Treo 270 launch.
Treo 90 also expected for launch next week according to CNET.

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-921324.html?tag=fd_top


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RE: Treo's next week
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 6:42:35 PM #
Ed, is there any mention of which version of the Treo 270 is going to be released next week... The GSM or the CDMA or both?
RE: Treo's next week
Ed @ 5/23/2002 7:22:20 PM #
Neither report mentions CDMA, which I think they would. I think it is the GSM version they are talking about.

I doubt the CDMA version of the Treo will be called the 270. Too much potential for confusion.

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RE: Treo's next week
ptc @ 5/24/2002 11:21:57 AM #
For wha it's worth, pdabuzz says that this will be the GSM Treo 270, not the Sprint CDMA Treo.


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RE: Treo's next week
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/25/2002 4:19:47 AM #
Handspring wrote this "One quick heads up...we've got 2 new exciting product announcements coming Tuesday morning, 5/28/02. We'll be announcing our Treo 90 and Treo 270. I believe they will be great additions to our product line and should sell well." in an email to subcribers of the Linkshare system.

Carl Brooks
http://www.palmloyal.com

Low-res misery

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 2:36:03 PM #
Oh, that 160x160 is so painful to look at... Don't think I could ever go back. Sony, damn that Ericson connection and come out with the Clie cell phone already!
RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 2:48:18 PM #
The SonyEricsson S800 is not out yet... and it runs on PalmOS 3.5 with no external media support. It's still a good phone with basic PDA functions, but when comparing to HandSpring's Treo, Treo is way more flexible than S800.

At least for now, S800 has an advantages of a color screen and nice design, but despite this, it's still a sucker.

RE: SonyEricsson S800 runs on PalmOS 3.5
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 3:05:50 PM #
" ...The SonyEricsson S800 ... runs on PalmOS 3.5 ".

Really.

Here are some other interesting facts:
(1) al Qaeda is a charter member of the UN.
(2) Benjamin Netan-yahu is a member of Hamas.
(3) Microsoft promotes ethical captialism.
(4) Paris is the capital of Belgium.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?D2CC14CE

RE: Low-res misery
cykalan @ 5/23/2002 3:21:04 PM #
Sorry....but....have i missed something....?

SonyEricsson's new phone is supposed to be P800 running on Symbian Platform.....

is the S800 a new model or simply that you got the wrong infromation....?

Alan
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Read your manuals before you ask!!

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 4:10:22 PM #
Say it with me "it runs symbian."

Good.

Now wasn't that easier than listing off a bunch of stoopid "interesting facts" just to be a jerk about something so trivial?

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 4:28:03 PM #
'Oh, that 160x160 is so painful to look at... Don't think I could ever go back. Sony, damn that Ericson connection and come out with the Clie cell phone already!"

Oh, that wireless is so nice to look at! Enjoy your ten programs that run in high-res, meanwhile in real life, people buy handhelds based on what they do, not if their screens are big enough so you can play ababall with a few extra pixels. Grow up.

RE: Low-res misery
ssummer @ 5/23/2002 5:05:50 PM #
"Oh, that wireless is so nice to look at! Enjoy your ten programs that run in high-res, meanwhile in real life, people buy handhelds based on what they do, not if their screens are big enough so you can play ababall with a few extra pixels. Grow up."

10 programs that run in hi-res? Uncross your eyes and that number should look more like over 100. Your eyes must have been straining on that 160x160 screen for too long.

How ignorant can you be to think that hi-res doesn't serve any practical purpose? If you think higher resolutions (on a handheld or otherwise) is just for kids, and you being the "adult" that you are, do us all a favor and go to "Display Properties" in Windows and just knock that resolution slider down to 640x480 or better yet, how about 320x200? Yeah, I thought so idiot...

RE: Low-res misery
ardee @ 5/23/2002 5:23:07 PM #
Gotta agree with ssummer on this one. I almost never play games on my Palm (occasionally chess, which is 160x160 anyway), but my old Visor Prism's 160x160 screen looks awful crude compared to my Clie's 320x320. Text on the Sony is much sharper, and in some apps (DateBk, Launcher, etc.) I can fit FOUR TIMES as much data on screen (small but still readable). There's a smoothness and refinement to the screens in EVERY app (even old ones, using the new fonts automatically) that's just not there in the 160x160 devices.

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 6:24:01 PM #
i agree.....nothing beats hi res...anyone who says hi res screens dont serve a purpose is an idiot. 10 programs work on sony clies? what have you been smokin...

I cant believe anyone actually buys Palm m515s anymore...those 160x160 screens are not pleasent to look at...not pleasent at all.

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 6:37:17 PM #
Anyone who rails against hi-res is surely just a poor loser who doesn't have it.

If Aesop were alive today, the fox in the sour grapes story would be a Palm user with 160x160 res.

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 7:18:02 PM #
I'd like to read that story but the batteries on my PPC just died :)
RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 9:04:19 PM #
"How ignorant can you be to think that hi-res doesn't serve any practical purpose? If you think higher resolutions (on a handheld or otherwise) is just for kids, and you being the "adult" that you are, do us all a favor and go to "Display Properties" in Windows and just knock that resolution slider down to 640x480 or better yet, how about 320x200? Yeah, I thought so idiot..."

From Palm, Inc.'s "Zen of Palm" document...

"Usage patterns also differ fundamentally between handhelds and PCs. People tend to sit down at a desktop or laptop PC for a few long sessions, using the keyboard, large screen, and hard disk to create and edit large amounts of information. People generally use handhelds in frequent, short bursts -- more like a watch than a PC. They take a handheld out of their pocket or briefcase to review and update small chunks of information. For example, they look up a phone number or quickly check their schedule."

If your mobile applications require long sessions that emphasize screen resolution and multimedia capabilities over small form factor, ease of use and battery life, the problem is not the 160x160 screen resolution of most Palm OS devices. The problem is your choice of computing device. Consider purchasing a laptop computer or a Game Boy Advance.

www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/zenofpalm/ZenTOC.html

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:12:18 PM #
That is a dubious excuse only Palm can make. At any information device, sharp, high resolution and maximum size screen allowed by device category should be the goal.

for eg. one function of PDA is e-book and reading documents where good screen is important. Even if average user only use PDA to read a full page document, a high quality screen is still desirable.

With higher and higher quality screen more applications becomes possible in PDA. Anything from viewing detail pictures, finely illustrated documents, even moving pictures and actions games.

If palm is stuck in the era of "connected" organizer mind set where it insist all people need in PDA is to look up few address, than Palm will extinct.

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 10:36:45 PM #
"At any information device, sharp, high resolution and maximum size screen allowed by device category should be the goal."

That's the design priority of a MULTIMEDIA device, not an INFORMATION device.

By its name, a design priority of an INFORMATION device should be the fast, efficient retrieval of INFORMATION.

Designing a device to record and retrieve information with as little effort as possible makes a better INFORMATION device than incorporating a high resolution screen.

Adding wireless connectivity to access large, remote information stores makes a better INFORMATION device than incorporating a high resolution screen.

Of course, the ultimate device is both an INFORMATION device and a MULTIMEDIA device. Microsoft's attempt to be that ultimate device has left a lot to be desired.

I hope Palm and its licensees continue developing INFORMATION devices first and MULTIMEDIA devices second.

If you prefer a MULTIMEDIA device, I believe you are looking at the wrong class of computing devices. Consider buying a laptop computer, a Game Boy Advance or a mini-TV instead.

RE: Low-res misery
ssummer @ 5/24/2002 12:36:00 AM #
"By its name, a design priority of an INFORMATION device should be the fast, efficient retrieval of INFORMATION."

And what about DISPLAY of said INFORMATION? If you can't easily scan/read/assimilate the information then it doesn't matter how fast you can retrieve it, you create a new bottleneck at the interpretion of the information making for a POOR information device.

Most people can retrieve a phone number from your basic $20 Casio organizer with the 10x2 character display quicker than from a Palm PDA, so you're trying to tell me that the Casio is the better information device?

All other things being equal, a hi-res Palm is a better INFORMATION device than a low-res one, period.

This "Zen of Palm" BS needs to stop. Palm themselves stopped believing that garbage years ago, I think it's time for you to let it go also. The moment the first person used their Palm to do something more than what the built-in apps provided is the day the Zen died. Color screens, 33MHz Dragonballs, expansion slots, keyboards/thumboards, communicators and smartphones don't agree with the "Zen principles" because all of these either decrease battery life, increase form factor, promote longer "sessions" and/or decrease the ease of use.

Just because Palm is inevitably becoming the "PC in your Pocket" (oh no, did I say a bad word?) and departing from the "Zen" that you hold so near and dear, it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Don't be scared of the future, embrace it (or stick with your IIIx if it makes you sleep better at night).

ssummer

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 1:09:33 AM #
-The future of information is in multimedia format. not black and white text. Multimedia and information are not two different objects.

-bigger high resolution screen means more information can be displayed at single moemnt (more efficient retrieval)

-Little effort implies most information displayed at single moment before screen state has to be changed. (ie. scrolling, opening new page, etc)

-game, television show are a form of information for entertainment purposes. Hence naturally in the future it will be a feature included inside an information defice.

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 8:33:02 AM #
I don't quite get the argument people try to put forth about hi-res being useless. These people must be the same folks who think that DVD and HDTV are the works of the devil -)

While we're at it, what's with this "Zen of Palm" crap. The purpose of a handheld is whatever the user wants it to be. You can easily figure out what users want by watching handheld sales. SONY is growing steadily in this area and certainly appears to have the largest percentage of sales growth of PalmOS handheld manufacturer. I'm not a big fan of the large corporations continuing to dominate markets (ie mega-SONY) but when they are clearly producing a better mouse-trap... they're catch more mice.

If users decide that mp3 playback is important, they will buy handhelds which have this function. The real "children" on this forum are the narrow-minded goobers who insist that handhelds serve "a purpose". This reality is different for each individual and the variety to choose between different handhelds (different purposes?) can only increase competition, while offering consumers more choices, and ultimately improve the market.

RE: Low-res misery
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/31/2002 11:49:54 PM #
For what it's worth...

One of the major features of the upcoming Palm OS 5 is the native ability to display 320x320 resolution... so much for Palm's Zen stance on screen resolution.


Palm Os Emulator on Zaurus

C @ 5/23/2002 4:17:01 PM #
I think that is one of the coolest emulator possibilities that I have seen. I run a Prism emulator on my desktop and having that is cool. It's just cool to see it in a portable device.

RE: Palm Os Emulator on Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 1:43:55 AM #
Yeah, I have a Zaurus and I think that it would be neat to use some Palm apps on my Z.
RE: Palm Os Emulator on Zaurus
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 1:13:47 PM #
Why not buy a Palm then?

POSE Developer

potter @ 5/23/2002 4:30:05 PM #
> It is based on POSE, the Palm OS Emulator that Palm Inc. developed.

Minor correction: Palm Inc. (or should that be PalmSource Inc.?) maintains POSE. Greg Hewgill developed it, originally called Copilot.
http://www.hewgill.com/pilot/copilot/

RE: POSE Developer
ardee @ 5/23/2002 5:29:20 PM #
A version of POSE runs on the Mac, too, IIRC.

RE: POSE Developer
I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 1:45:13 AM #
And on Linux )

Almost there

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/23/2002 7:08:43 PM #
Color screen, cell phone, pda.

All we need now is a flat rate fee for internet access!

How soon till they are available??

I.M. Anonymous @ 5/24/2002 7:04:13 PM #
I'm curious. Historically, how soon do they ship the units after announcing them? I know some manufacturers offer the same day as announcement, but how about Palm PDA’s? Are they usually available through retail outlets the same day as announcement?
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