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I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 4:30:26 PM #
The only question I have is where can I buy it? RE: Where?
SonyStyle is supposed to begn taking preorders today but I don't think they have started. Their site is running very slowly for me right now. www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/index.shtml RE: Where?I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 9:06:35 PM #
J&R of NY have it listed for $399.88 Pre-order. http://makeashorterlink.com/?R31952021 RE: Where?andrewholler @ 1/18/2003 6:58:00 PM #
What are some of the Canadian stores where this product is sold?
I.M. Notorious @ 6/24/2002 4:23:03 PM #
What's the point of yet another DragonBall, PalmOS 4.1 Clie? Ok, one could argue that it has better screen than T615c and MP3 playing in the same form factor (but not NR70's virtual graffiti). Those in the know are going to wait to see the new ARMed Clie (or Palm), and not waste their money in a supposed "new" model. I could only speculate that this handheld had been released to fill the N710c/N760c niche. I.M. Notorious RE: Another Clie??
I have to give credit to Sony for making this a 66 hmz model. If I **had** to buy a Palm OS PDA today it would be pretty hard to pass up this model over the Palm model at the same price, only slower and no MP3. -Kevin Crossman I don't get it
I just don't get it. Why would Sony release an OS 4.1 device so close to an announcement of an OS 5.0 device? While I take into consideration an upgraded screen, faster processor, an mp3 player, and worse battery life, I hardly consider this an upgrade to the T615C. If you are willing to pay an extra $100 bucks for an mp3 player and faster processor, why not just get an NR70 for another $100 and you can get a trully beautiful screen (including a control wand :D). The T665C is too much of a mixture of both. While most people will disagree, I will explain IMO why it may not sell. •It's an OS 4.1 device while OS 5.0 may be making its appearance in devices in a month's time. Bad timing. •Device is too much of a mixture of other devices whereas there is basically no target market for this. •The closest thing to a target audience for this handheld is more of a pda geek and pda geeks regularly visit PIC, PDABuzz, Brighthand, PalmBlvd, etc., so they are aware that OS 5 handhelds are just about ready to hit the market. More likely than not, most people are willing to wait one month to get a better handheld. IMHO it just won't sell as well as the other Cliés. RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 10:20:09 PM #
What's to get? By your standard the move from the M505 to the M515 wasn't a worthy upgrade, but I am sure there are those out there who would disagree. If adding a new processor, screen, and an mp3 player doesn't qualify as an upgrade, I don't know what does. What are you expecting from the first OS5 devices? With that mentality, I'm afraid you may be disapointed. And note that the extra $100 is the difference now that Sony has dropped the price of the T615. You are essentially getting this for the same price of $400. The same as the "upgraded" M515. How is this a ripoff? The device might not be for everyone, but to say that it is overpriced is just ridiculous. Also note all those PIC readers who posted comments on the release of the NR70 about how they would buy a similar device if it was in the T615 form factor. Well here it is... and still complaints. As far as target audience, Sony hits the nail on the head. Sony has never targeted business users. The Clie's are marketed as Personal Entertainment Organizers. Hence, MP3 players, cameras and hi-res screens fit right in. Want a more business like device? Get a M515. Lastly my rant... This is an amazing device, not as amazing as my NR70V, but still amazing =) All of this cutting edge technology packed into a tiny form factor and people still find things to complain about. Note that not 6 months ago the same people were complaining about not having what the T665 is delivering now. People just like complaining I guess. Sony's next model could make coffee for you in the morning and I guarantee that there would be people here whining about how they don't drink coffee, so what are they supposed to do? Ack! I can't wait to read the review of the first OS5 handheld and see all of the complaints. Most, probably from those same people who are "holding out" for an OS5 device now. Now, as far as those complaining about battery life... Yes it could be better, but c'mon! Don't get a high-end device with all of the bells and whistles and expect the same battery performance. Do you buy a Hummer, then complain about the gas mileage? Or better yet, how about comparing the Hummer(palm) with a Focus(PPC) and then complain about the Hummer... Geez, if battery life is such an issue, get a PalmVx. I hear they last a long time, are cheap and doesn't have all that extra crap that no one uses =) RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 11:49:00 PM #
"If adding a new processor, screen, and an mp3 player doesn't qualify as an upgrade, I don't know what does." Agreed. I'm surprised that we have not had the "This is what the it should have been the first time" argument. If I already had a T615, I would consider this one a possible upgrade. I was one who sold my M505 to get the M515, something that I have never regreted. Yet I'm sure that most only think of the screen, while ignoring the fact that it had twice the RAM and much better battery life. Oh well, it does not matter what you get, someone will complain. That being the case, I guess we should forget about buying devices for them, and just get one for ourselves. RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 6:27:18 AM #
Who wants virtual graffiti, maybe sony is simply make a variety of products who have different needs and interests, some who have no need for a keyboard and couldn't care less about virtual gradfiti RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 11:15:06 AM #
I think a lot of people want virtual graffiti but without the keyboard. So far only Handera offers this (plus voice recording and 2 expansion slots) but still no color, mp3, 16 megs etc RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 11:37:32 AM #
At the rate Sony is releasing new device models, I don't think they are really focused on selling. They are just doing market research in what is, for Sony, a proven (albeit rather expensive) method. And I suspect they have the brains to adjust the meaning of the sales figures on this device upward, given how close its release was to that of OS 5. Prp RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 1:21:07 PM #
The Dragonball Super VZ just came out, and it doubles the speed of the unit with a minimum of effort. What's wrong with taking advantage of that... remember, the ARM-based OS was *just* released, and it's going to be a scramble to get new devices out by Christmas. RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 3:41:35 PM #
This isn't an upgrade to the T615c; this is just the new half-year model, which auto manufacturers sometimes release to keep up the foot traffic of *new* buyers coming into the car dealer showrooms. With cars, they sometimes only add a little trim and a few horsepower more. Sony only had to add enough features to counter a few items in the bad reviews (better "reds" on the LCD) and keep up a little marketing buzx (66 MHz! mp3!). The upgrade model will probably be the OS 5.x.x (x > 0) models (after the early-adopter OS 5.0 wrinkles are ironed out). RE: Another Clie??michaelfurman @ 6/26/2002 2:18:10 PM #
IMHO: I like most PDA geeks are awaiting the 5.0 releases. I'll see if the units are what they have been built up to be, but if not then I will grab a nr70v and be happy since I am sure they will be priced even lower a month after the ARM units hit. Rant: So when do I get a device that lets me record quick verbal notes without having to buy another addon that will not travel with me when I upgrade next. I got my Prism for $250 in Feb/2001 with the $200 rebate @ COMPUSA that I had found out about here. BTW, the prism is not over rated. Great unit, and with the super bright screen, it lets me walk through the house without a night light ;-D. So I guess I am perched on the fence waiting to see the next unit in the parade before making my upgrade choice. I am sure that many are sitting on th fence with me. -Mike- RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 7/5/2002 12:52:29 AM #
What's the difference between the Visor Prism and the Sony Clie PEG T655C? I am looking to upgrade to the Sony, please help me out. thanks RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 7/21/2002 4:27:35 PM #
Posted by Brent I just bought the T-665C a couple days ago and can say I am quite impressed. My other palm pilot was a Palm Pilot Professional that my friend gave 8 months ago. I used it every day and thought it was awesome. So for me the jump between the two was huge. I have always liked SONY because the quality of their products. I paid 359 dollars with a warranty at best buy. I also downloaded the Kimoma player for it because the Gmovie software that comes with it sucks. With the kinoma player you can pretty much watch movie trailers and other mpeg files in pretty good resoultion. I think it looks great for such a small device. The sound on this thing is unbelievable that little speaker can really sound out. I have read about many people saying that they will hold out for OS 5 but the SONY T-665 is pretty awesome and its out NOW. P.S. If you can afford it buy the NR-70 with the camera on it. its costs about 200 dollars more but its pretty cool. RE: Another Clie??I.M. Anonymous @ 8/20/2002 12:59:41 PM #
The Prism is a great PDA but it's bulkier than the 665 and the colors on the Sony kicks butt over the Prism... 320 * 320 vs. 160 * 160... i switched from the Prism to the 665 and i'm enjoying the difference bigtime... plus, the 665 has 16mb internal vs. the 8 for the Prism... plus, i had some memory sticks lying around from my Sony digicam so i was able to have more memory at a cheap price... displaying pictures on the 665 is way better than the Prism... it was almost like i was viewing a pix on my computer and the software was free... for the Prism, i had to dl albums to go which was a demo... if you don't mind paying the diff, the 665 is a much better PDA but $100-$150 is a lot of money... if you're content with the Prism, it may not be worth the $100 investment especially with the new Palm OS coming out around December...
PalmAddict @ 6/24/2002 4:35:29 PM #
Ed, You mentioned that they updated the audio player for Bass purposes, and it appears to have a new "equilizer" display mode, but I still have a couple of questions: 1. Can you reorganize the order of the songs or are you stuck with whatever order the Clie wants them in? and 2. Are you still limited to 128K encoding on the MP3s or does it support higher bit rates, and if so, how high? As the MP3 player is one of the major changes, I kind of feel these may be relevent. Thanks. -Scott Adams RE: Sort MP3 list in AudioPlayer yet?I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 5:04:22 PM #
I don't think Sony has added any new features to the Audio Player besides the one I mentioned. I don't see any any way to change the order of the files. You can set it to shuffle, which plays them in random order, though. According to the documentation, it supports up to 256 kbps. RE: Sort MP3 list in AudioPlayer yet?
Not quite the answers you're looking for, but perhaps I can help... 1. I, too, wish the AuidoPlayer had playlists, or at least sorting, but there is some primitive control over the display order, as Audioplayer lists tracks in the order they physically appear in the MSAUDIO directory. I prefer tracks to be sorted by artist and then song title, so I keep a batch file on my PC in the directory where the "source" copies of the MP3s destined for my Clie live, and reload the msaudio directory from scratch occasionally ("e:" being the drive where my Clie appears when MS Import is running): e: Takes a couple minutes to run, but, well, one less annoying problem. 2. As long as MP3s are encoded as 44.1khz and Joint Stereo, bitrate can be almost anything -- I've had VBR MP3s as high as 225kbps on my 710c (upgraded to 760c) and never had any playback problems whatsoever, even in the background with extensive use of other (in-memory) apps. I've read that the external player thingy (used with the 610/etc) had trouble above 128kbps, but the internal DSP-based players clearly do not. On the other hand, if other programs are pounding on the memory stick at the same time (msmount/pidirect, anyone?), you're likely to have trouble. RE: Sort MP3 list in AudioPlayer yet?I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 9:51:48 PM #
Hey CarlJ - Isn't Planet Claire a fantastic tune!!! RE: Sort MP3 list in AudioPlayer yet?I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 12:01:04 AM #
I got no problem in playing MP3 having bitrates of over 256kbps. RE: Sort MP3 list in AudioPlayer yet?I.M. Anonymous @ 7/8/2002 8:06:34 PM #
Yeah I have 412 kbps Variable bitrate MP3s with a few problems at first, but they magically disappeared after a few days, don't know why, but they work now! RE: Sort MP3 list in AudioPlayer yet?I.M. Anonymous @ 7/17/2002 8:32:22 PM #
Guess you guys haven't had a chance to play with one of these yet... I bought mine last night, and I think SONY finally went in the right direction again.
YES - it includes an app called MP3mgr that allows you to create *albums* from the songs on your memory stick and play them back in that order. It also includes a sound creator app for your pc that lets you convert .wav and .mp3 samples into system sounds for alarms and system tones. WAY cool. IMHO - the NR series is serious technology that is overlooked by the bloat. I don't think larger and heavier is the way to go. I was hoping and hoping that SONY would take all the goodies from the NR series and pack them into a T series form factor, which is less than 5oz and thin as anything I've ever seen in the PDA game. I also didn't know if it was possible. Apparently it is! Good for sony, and good for me, because I bought one on sale at Best Buy for $359 last night. It is blowing my mind. Fast as heck! The 66 mhz Dragonball is incredible. For all you OS 5'rs out there: YES OS5 will be out soon. Do you really think that v5.0.0 is going to be ready for prime time? LOL Nosir... If you want a real OS5 device, without being a beta tester that paid $600 for the privilege of doing so, then you'll be waiting an additional 3-4 months for v 5.x to come out. No thanks. I'll take my brilliant display, 310% FASTER speed, MP3's and unlimited expansion RIGHT NOW!! And the Bluetooth MS and GPS MS have already been released in Japan. Give it 4 months and we should see them here. Or give me a japanese translator and I'll buy one now (they work on US models, just are doc'd totally in jap.)
PenreeSoft @ 6/24/2002 4:42:54 PM #
Ed, In the first paragraph you said: "The T615C adds an MP3 player and a processor that is twice as fast." Should that be T665? Oopsiementalsrule @ 6/24/2002 4:46:14 PM #
Ok first off great review and to have it out so quicly is nice... second i love that handheld for being so small and such... but i think i still love my NR70v better :)
third.. i would check your first paragraph for a spelling error of saying the 615 and not the 665. and on the conclusion... it says 651. just a heads up.
I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 5:13:32 PM #
Sony should have spend the space used for the DSP on a larger battery. Many users of the T615 din't wanted MP3.
RE: They should...
I got 4hrs 15mins with my T615 with backlight on low. I lived with it for about 4 months before I found the battery life and poor graffiti recognition were truly not worth the HiRes screen and switched back to my old m505. I wouldn't touch any PDA with less than 6 hours battery life now. RE: They should...
"I think Sony really messed up this time with the battery life; Geez it is lower than the Ipaq! Come on Sony this is a Palm not a PPC." But the iPaq is a lot bigger, can't play video as well, and can't run WordSmith. Perhaps what they could have done is make the CPU load sensitive, keeping CPU speed low for common tasks and kicking it up for intensive ones. This is what FastCPU does, but I'm lazy and usually kick everything up to 40Mhz. However, it runs fine with no acceleration, and I forget it's turned off unless I'm mapping or doing my large spreadsheets. RE: They should...I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 6:39:32 PM #
The phone/pda just announced by Kyocera in another article here on PIC has DOUBLE the battery life of the T665C AND it has almost the same features plus phone/data capabilities. What gives sony? RE: They should...I.M. Anonymous @ 6/24/2002 11:35:25 PM #
'danger' said: >I lived with [the T615C] for about 4 months before I >found the battery life and poor graffiti recognition >were truly not worth the HiRes screen and switched >back to my old m505. Wait a second, is poor Graffiti recognition a known Thanks for any info you can provide! RE: They should...I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 6:44:59 AM #
"But the Ipaq is bigger"
RE: They should...I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 1:24:40 PM #
Doen't the Super VZ have a built-in media player? Are they using that or still using an external device? RE: They should...I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 3:55:57 PM #
The T615C units which I've played with seem to need heavier pressure on the digitizer in order to get the same Graffiti recognition accuracy. The toothpick stylus encourages just the opposite. RE: They should...
"Yeah but there are other handheld..." Yes, I know, but the poster mentioned the iPaq specifically. I agree that the Toshiba has a heck of a battery, wonder if I can jump start my van with it? This trend of Sony has brought up the opportunity for people to honestly say that PPC battery life is better than some Palm devices. One very important point we miss though, when comparing battery life between PPC and Palm devices, is standby time. If you have a PPC and a Palm, both with 8 hour battery life while running, The PPC will only go a few days... even if not used. Palms can go for months. I have an M505 which I'm keeping for someone while they recover from a health issue. The last time it saw a charger was three months ago, and it's battery is still at 70%. RE: They should...I.M. Anonymous @ 6/25/2002 9:27:16 PM #
>If you have a PPC and a Palm, both with 8 hour battery >life while running, The PPC will only go a few days... >even if not used. Palms can go for months True for all palm os devices exept the clies. According to the gadgeteer the clie (T615) goes to 25% battery in just a few days of standby. www.the-gadgeteer.com/ubb/Forum441/HTML/000001-3.html The low battery life of the Clie is not just while in just it also affects its standby time. RE: They should...
"True for all palm os devices exept the clies. According to the gadgeteer the clie (T615) goes to 25% battery in just a few days of standby." Thanks for the info, I did not know that. I wonder what Sony thinks we are supposed to do when we go on vacation. Leave it in a drawer at home to die before we get back? Take it with us to feed it and keep it alive? Put it in the cradle at home like it's on life support? Maybe we can start 'Clie Sitting Services' where you drop your device off and they watch it and make sure it does not get low. That m505 I mentioned earlier has been charged twice in 6 months, and that was only to top it off because I thought the owner was going to pick it up.
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