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Rumor: Nintendo Licensing PalmSource Software?

According to a story posted on GameCentric, Nintendo recently licensed software from PalmSource, though no mention was made as to what specific applications have been licensed, or why. But it seems obvious Nintendo is attempting adapt PalmOS's core organizer functionality to the DS portable gaming console.

Rumor: Nintendo Licensing PalmSource Software?It is important to note, however, that Nintendo is not licensing the Palm operating system. So dash any thoughts you may have about a DS game console running Cobalt out of your head right now.

Nintendo will be disclosing more information on this deal at E3.

Thanks to Sammy at Palm Addicts for the tip.

-Kent

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Trademark NOT Patent

MountainLogic @ 2/14/2005 2:05:21 PM # Q
This looks like a trademark registration not a patent filing. No story, move along. You don't need to see their papers.

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PalmOne Licences Windows?

GrahamBM @ 2/14/2005 2:26:46 PM # Q
is this a rumour also?

PalmOne taking out a Windows Mobile / Pocket PC licence

http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3583.html


RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
temp_user @ 2/14/2005 2:44:03 PM # Q
If they do this, instead of releasing cobalt, they are doomed! No one in the palm community would welcome this news, and all their customers are there, and if they think they can steal HP or Dell users, they are utterly stupid!


RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
mikecane @ 2/14/2005 3:06:50 PM # Q
Well, that would be one hell of a bombshell.

Would they *really* want to go up against that forthcoming hp Mobile Messenger?

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
SeldomVisitor @ 2/14/2005 4:18:58 PM # Q
I've seen nothing confirming this anywhere - no MSFT or PLMO PR-fluffs, for example.

18:00 CET is 12:00 EST.


RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
temp_user @ 2/14/2005 4:24:28 PM # Q
The fact I see it is, there are certain amount of PDA users, and mostly from beginning were Palm users. They trusted this platform, and palm has always been a tool organising the life of those who used it.

Nokia, and Microsoft want to steel palm customer base, but it seems it doesn't working. Sure hp, Dell, and all the big names make fantastic hardware for the platform, and some are fooled to buy it and test it, but they will realise, soon or later, this is not a palm, it just an unreliable crap copy.

As far as palmone doesn't make anything stupid, and listen to their customers, they will be fine and sell. But if they are going to fool around with Windows, and care less about Palm OS, their market can easily be stolen by another hardware maker.



RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
AdamaDBrown @ 2/14/2005 4:46:47 PM # Q
temp_user, there *are* no more PalmOS hardware manufacturers. At least, none to speak of. Even Garmin has switched to Windows, and Tapwave has announced their corporate suicide with no new hardware until 2006. If PalmOne switched, it would be the end of Palm OS. As for Windows 'steeling' customers, Windows Mobile has been half the market for a while now. Palm OS used to hold 80% of the market. Now it's closer to 40%. If that's not Palm OS losing customers to Windows, I don't know what is. And those people have no reason to come back.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
temp_user @ 2/14/2005 4:57:04 PM # Q

The market has grown since then, it doesn't means windows has stolen lots of palm customers.
Palm users buy from palmone using palm OS, which is quite natural, and even Sony couldn't beat palmone at its own territory, but believe me if palmone let down their customers by using windows instead of palm OS, they would open doors for other hardware makers. And I wouldn't even rule out the possibility that if palmone let down the Palm OS, palmsource become a limited hardware company as well.


RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
AdamaDBrown @ 2/14/2005 5:27:08 PM # Q
Handheld sales have remained the same or declined slightly for the last three years. They haven't increased enough to give PocketPCs their market share without impinging on Palm. And besides which, it doesn't change the fact that PocketPCs still hold a vast chunk of the market, even if PalmOne's sales hadn't declined at all.

If PalmOne, the last remaining licensee of a platform that is already seen to be in trouble, were to jump ship, there would be no new manufacturers. PalmSource doesn't have the resources or the experience to become a hardware manufacturer with any real success, and no one else would want to pick up a snake-bit platform. Palm OS isn't some kind of dynasty that will always be there. It can fall victim to market forces as easily as anyone, and the two Palm companies haven't been doing anything to shore it up. Quite the opposite.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
temp_user @ 2/14/2005 5:50:42 PM # Q

If Tapwave can make descent hardware, palmsource can do better. It's not as advanced as building an Intel microprocessor. All the components are bought from specialists.

As long as they have 60M$, the brand, the engineers, partners, customers; they will do it - if they have too!

But they have 11 licensees so far, no need for them to make hardware.



RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
AdamaDBrown @ 2/14/2005 8:39:10 PM # Q
They don't have the engineers--when the company split, the hardware guys went to PalmOne.

They have 11 licensees, and only one of them is more than an astrisk.

The brand would be destroyed if P1's switched. There's almost no way to create an analogy for what would happen if P1 dumped PalmOS, because there are almost no markets that are supplied by a single company. Confidence in PalmSource and the future of the PalmOS is already low because of the Cobalt fiasco, the confusion over Palm Linux, and P1's wavering on their use PSRC OSes. If P1 switched, it would be a staggering blow to PSRC, a vote of no confidence by the only base they have left. It would amount to PalmOne saying to the world that the Palm OS was no longer useful.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
LiveFaith @ 2/15/2005 12:09:42 AM # Q
AdamA,

Who on earth ever said PalmOne planned, announced, rumored, discussed or even had a bad dream after too much pizza over the idea that PalmOPne would S-W-I-T-C-H to Windows Media bloatware? If the idea of switching even has a bonafide "rumor", then I would like to see the link to it.

Yes, PalmOne may license another OS if they choose. Yes they worked a tiny deal with MS on an "mail conduit" for Treo. Yes, they may also be looking at the dominant smartfone OS, Symbian or even something with RIM.

I am puzzled by what psychological motivation one must have to carry on detailed conversations about subjects like "P1's SWITCH and PSRCs resulting demise", when the foundational ideas are purely fictional. Maybe it's your desire for MS to monopolize another tech market so you can feel good about being an owner or something?

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
AdamaDBrown @ 2/15/2005 4:32:12 AM # Q
Pat,

I'm puzzled by the psychological motivation to put words in the mouth of others, to ascribe fictional nefarious motives to a debater, or to construct strawmen. There's been a major news story about PalmOne and Windows Mobile--since PIC didn't post an article, a discussion thread got started here. I participated in the discussion, on the theoretical premise of what would happen if PalmOne moved to Windows. Frankly, I don't see what's so hard to follow about that chain of logic.

As for being an 'owner', I don't have any Microsoft stock, if that's what you mean.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
SeldomVisitor @ 2/15/2005 6:29:38 AM # Q
You can be assured that, if someone accuses you of owning company X stock when discussing factually something that could negatively affect the price of company Y, that person owns company Y stock.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
GrahamBM @ 2/15/2005 7:30:41 AM # Q
"The brand would be destroyed if P1's switched. There's almost no way to create an analogy for what would happen if P1 dumped PalmOS, because there are almost no markets that are supplied by a single company. Confidence in PalmSource and the future of the PalmOS is already low because of the Cobalt fiasco, the confusion over Palm Linux, and P1's wavering on their use PSRC OSes. If P1 switched, it would be a staggering blow to PSRC, a vote of no confidence by the only base they have left. It would amount to PalmOne saying to the world that the Palm OS was no longer useful."

I have to agree with AdamaDBrown on the above and so bringing this back to the original article subject of Nintendo not licensing the OS (or are they?), Sony dropping Palm OS altogether, Tapwave not even getting off the launchpad and PalmOne beating everyone on PalmOS enabled hardware (like who else is there?) then...

Why is Palm split into two companies?

Why not consolidate, forget about licensing the operating system to anyone and just provide the best possible experience in handheld computing and settle for a smaller market share?

Forget competing with Windows Mobile because Microsoft have bottomless pockets and will buy their way into the market the same way they have bought market share with Xbox. Likewise Symbian because of its quorum of handset manufacturers.

It was a difficult road but Apple appear to have done this successfully.


RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
temp_user @ 2/15/2005 10:13:46 AM # Q
SeldomVisitor,
there is another explanation - being short on a stock. 23% of palmsource’s stocks are shorted; no wonder some people attack palmsource so badly, to give a negative expression.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
LiveFaith @ 2/15/2005 10:52:30 AM # Q
Temp,
The attacks are a common approach on any stock board. So much so, that bashers make the medium almost worthless. They spill into any place where investors may look to "get a feel" for a company.

AdamA,
My point is simply as stated. Where is a link to anything, even a decent rumor, that says P1 is S-W-I-T-C-H-I-N-G. Not diversifying, but S-W-I-T-C-H-I-N-G. You even stated it again. This is a discussion on PSRC rumored to be getting a new lisencee. I expect P1 to diversify, that's wisdom. Even if they use WinMob, then they would be fools to abandon Palm OS. I'm puzzled as to why you're so sure about S-W-I-T-C-H-I-N-G. I'll ask one last time ... can you link us to any news on such a thing?

Seldom,
Great quote except you're wrong in my case. I have no position + or - on PLMO or PSRC or MSFT. Palms are awesome gadgets, but my posts show plenty of evidence that I'm not a stock fanboy. I've lost enough $$$ on tech dreams over the past few year to even go there. When I referred to "owner" I was referring to a device, not stock.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
SeldomVisitor @ 2/15/2005 11:06:36 AM # Q
Please note that I qualified the statement with "If"...

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
LiveFaith @ 2/15/2005 11:16:48 AM # Q
Noted :-)

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
svrontis @ 2/15/2005 12:33:50 PM # Q
> Forget competing with Windows Mobile because Microsoft have bottomless pockets and will buy their way into the market the same way they have bought market share with Xbox.

That's true, up to a point.

Don't forget that M$ have their fingers in a lot of pies and their resources are not infinite.

In EVERY company, there is ALWAYS the problem of allocating resources and, more generally, priorities between different divisions/projects. This is where the beancounters come in - their eagle eyes focus on the bottom line and, sooner or later, it's inevitable that a loss making division will be cut.

The rumours are that WinCE/PPC/WinMobile/whatever division is still losing money (though the losses are relatively low now that the development program has been pared back).

Note that M$ staffers are openly admitting that, since the relaunch of the Tablet PC, the PDA-side has assumed a much lower priority over at Redmond.

S-o-o-o ... this raises some questions: How many years has it been that this division has bought time by claiming that they are just on the verge of cornering the market? What is it that M$' own market researchers (a.k.a. Gartner) are saying about the decline of the PDA market? How much longer will the beancounters allow a low priority division to chew up cash? That's anybody's guess.

Just don't assume that M$ will continue to waste its time and efforts on a division that is going nowhere.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
LiveFaith @ 2/15/2005 2:28:44 PM # Q
svrontis,

Thanks for the excellent post. It's easy to just assume that the "big boys" in hardware or software can just dump their relatively limitless cash into a venture, take it over and crush the little guys. Sure it is the basic gameplan, but it not a given success by any means.

Although Palm seemed so vulnerable in the face of Sony, Dell, HPs deep pockets and even H/S's initial innovations, they have shown an uncanny ability to stay afloat. One PalmOne exec spoke to this several months back. How and why they produced m100, i705, T|W and other underwhelming models made a lot of us shake our heads. Nevertheless, they HAVE survived. Even the "TE2" and it's near immediate and significant "special offers" will probably be profitable.

The big boys still have to answer to the shareholders. When the pressure is on, management looks for places to cut. While "Palm" has not dominated the world, it has survived while others have given up. Most notably Sony, but several on the PPC side. With HPs shakeup at the top and highly lackluster "Darth Vader Pez Dispenser" designs, I would not be so sure that they are willing to languish in a sideways market either. That pathetic rz1715 is bleeding badly and the others don't seem to hot either. Dell is even "discounting" and making "offers" on their awesome X50 series. But those HP communicators look pretty attractive. We'll see if this thing really becomes a two-horse race for PDAs afterall?

Anyway. Excellent thouhgts.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

Palm Vs. pa1mOne + PalmSource. Fact Vs. Fiction.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 2/15/2005 4:22:48 PM # Q
Why is Palm split into two companies?

Why not consolidate, forget about licensing the operating system to anyone and just provide the best possible experience in handheld computing and settle for a smaller market share?

Grasshopper: if you seek the answers to these questions, read the financial reports of Palm and then PalmSource and pa1mOne. The "split" was a sham done to make $$$ and save on loans.

Remerging a year after the so-called split would (deservedly) invite a great deal of scrutiny from the SEC.






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Palm Vs. pa1mOne + PalmSource. Fact Vs. Fiction.
The_Voice_of_Reason @ 2/15/2005 4:22:48 PM # Q
Don't forget that M$ have their fingers in a lot of pies and their resources are not infinite.

[Yada Yada SNIP]

Just don't assume that M$ will continue to waste its time and efforts on a division that is going nowhere.

Microsoft's smartphone and PPC investment is already paying off for the company and they're now seizing a significant portion of the market. Microsoft is NOT going anywhere and to suggust they won't win this battle is naive. And by the way, Microsoft's resources don't have to be infinite: PPC spending is chump change for Gates. They've spent more on a couple lawsuits than they have on WinCE/PPC in the past 8 years.





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Press release: CUPERTINO, California — February 11, 2005 — Apple® announced today that Steve Jobs will begin selling his own feces to Apple Cultists beginning March 1. Apple's new iPoo™ lineup is expected to easily surpass the iPod shuffle as the company's most popular product. Yes, Apple Cultists can already easily create their own iPoo™, but feces didn't seem cool until Jobs told them it was cool. Remember, kids: the ONLY cool feces is Jobs' highly individualistic, rebellious iPoo™ (coming soon in six different colors/flavors, including the red [hematochezia] and black [melena] U2 GI bleed model)

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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
GrahamBM @ 2/15/2005 5:13:15 PM # Q
yup!

:)

The Handheld Learning Forum

http://www.handheldlearning.co.uk/community/forum/

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
Gekko @ 2/15/2005 6:37:41 PM # Q

I want all you schmoes to print this out and tape it to the top of your computer screen:

"Death can come swiftly to a market leader. By the time you have lost the positive-feedback cycle it's often too late to change what you've been doing, and all of the elements of a negative spiral come into play." - Bill Gates, "The Road Ahead", Chapter 3



RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
Gekko @ 2/15/2005 7:04:20 PM # Q

p.s. That includes you, Nagel, you filthy animal.



RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
AdamaDBrown @ 2/16/2005 2:29:52 AM # Q
Pat,

http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3583.html

It doesn't really make a difference whether PalmOne were to split their high-end models--or even just the Treos--between Palm and Windows, or switch to Windows for everything. The crippling blow would be primarily a PR one. It would be saying "Even we, the other Palm company, don't think PalmSource has the ability to provide for business use, or anything more complex than a calculator watch." It would say to the vertical markets "Palm OS doesn't work for you. Buy PocketPCs." It would say to the consumer market "The Palm brand really doesn't mean anything. Oh, and can we confuse you over what OS we're running, so that you flee to a different company where you at least know what you're getting?"

Besides that, it's hideously difficult to push two different OSes at once. Just ask PalmSource. Or Samsung, for that matter. It creates market confusion, splits development effort, doubles costs, and takes up time and energy in trying to simplify and explain everything.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
mikecane @ 2/16/2005 12:18:24 PM # Q
So I guess there was no such announcement?

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
AdamaDBrown @ 2/16/2005 2:06:57 PM # Q
No, there was no announcement at all--no licensing, not even something minor like new sync tools that they might have flacked into a 'major announcement.' The whole thing just dropped. It's rather odd.

RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
LiveFaith @ 2/17/2005 5:07:20 PM # Q
Mike, no.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
RE: PalmOne Licences Windows?
mikecane @ 2/17/2005 5:25:47 PM # Q
More screwy disinfo from our old MS-spurned PPC cultist, ska.

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Now what about "We, the suckers"

Tamog @ 2/14/2005 2:26:48 PM # Q
Hi,
can you all remeber Mike Cane's we the suckers and the TamsPalm followup Tam, the sucker?
We now see exactly this-Nintendo is licencing a kind of "Outlook" for the DS. And something else-trust me, for a plain PIM machine 4MB or RAM and 60MhZ are more than enough....
Just my 2 cents
Tam Hanna

Find out more about the Palm OS in my blog:
http://tamspalm.blogspot.com
RE: Now what about
mikecane @ 2/14/2005 3:00:35 PM # Q
Will you be here when it all turns out to be less than your gloating justifies?

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Why palmOne has "Nokia Dreams"

mikecane @ 2/14/2005 3:20:08 PM # Q
>>>2004 full year shipments of phones based on Symbian OS totalled 14.38m (2003 - 6.67m); year on year growth of 116%, the third consecutive year in which Symbian OS phone shipments have grown by more than 100%.

More:

http://www.symbianone.com/content/view/1497/

RE: Why palmOne has
mikecane @ 2/14/2005 3:21:40 PM # Q
Sony Ericsson launches Walkmans

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4265777.stm

Why Nokia has "Microsoft Dreams"
mikecane @ 2/14/2005 3:23:38 PM # Q
Nokia, Microsoft deliver e-mail and music to phones

http://wireless.itworld.com/4274/050214nokiams/page_1.html

(Wow, check out the Reply quote bug!)

Philips-Infineon-Samsung to run Palmix?
mikecane @ 2/14/2005 3:30:07 PM # Q
* Philips may announce a ready-to-use reference design for Linux operating software handsets that will work on current second generation networks. The design enables electronics makers to quickly enter the market with open source handsets.

* Infineon and Samsung unveil a reference design for a Linux handset that works on high-speed third generation (3G) mobile phone networks.

More at:

http://tinyurl.com/48b9t

If it'll run Linux, it should run Palmix, no?

All Your PC Are Belong To Us
mikecane @ 2/14/2005 3:34:36 PM # Q
All those Windows home computers suddenly can be home servers to your cellphone or PDA.

Well, *some* PDAs...

>>>Note: Palm devices do not support the Orb Media Service. As future Palm OS releases support streaming media, Orb will likely support Palm devices at that time.

http://www.orb.com/

Hmmmm... no Mac version.

Motorola has "iTunes Dreams"
mikecane @ 2/14/2005 3:55:27 PM # Q
Motorola announces, E1060 iTunes on board

http://tinyurl.com/5gaff

RE: Why palmOne has
RhinoSteve @ 2/14/2005 4:45:21 PM # Q
Wonk wonk wonk wonk. Get back to work!
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