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    Comments on: Rumor: LifeDrive Actually Named the Tungsten XBrighthand has published new details about the rumored palmOne "LifeDrive". According to their source high end model will actually be named the Tungsten X and will be announced around mid-May.
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Maybe P1 is actually reading the forums at brighthand, 1src, and PIC and finding out what will get people to buy a really expensive/cool handheld. This is shaping up to be an interesting May. The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
Now that i look at the picture more, i can see an "X" at the very top of the PDA. It is very faint but somewhat noticeable. The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
This just keeps getting better and better. Can not wait! One month to go? (I've been PDA-less for a full month now!) RE: LAY IT ON US - We're readylifeaddict @ 4/15/2005 12:46:18 PM #
I started with the very first Palm and upgraded several times until I got a Palm V (yes I actually still have a Palm V). I should have upgraded several years ago but I passed on the T3, holding out for the T5, when it was apparent it was a dud I looked at PPC's but just couldn't do it. I ordered a Tapwave 2 weeks ago, heard about the T-X the next day and returned the Tapwave unopened. My Palm V died this morning, so the T-X better be a reality and it better be solid because if it isn't I will no longer have a choice but to go PPC. RE: LAY IT ON US - We're readylifeaddict @ 4/15/2005 3:54:35 PM #
I think Tapwave is terrific. They seem to have a focus on product quality that Palm has lacked in recent offerings. I wish they would come out with a power user Palm device -- but maybe, just maybe with the T-X Palm will once again provide a quality product, with a solid warranty and good customer support (I would even settle for the first and the last - but I am not holding my breath) You are right, if the T-X is another dud Tapwave would be an acceptable alternative -- but I would like to know that I am not buying a dead-end product (last I heard they have no plans to release a product within the next year, and their current offering is 2 years old, so that begs the question -- will they be around another year?). Further, if the T-X is a dud and with the imminent release of the next version of the Windows Mobile OS, my expectation is that Palm will lose sufficient ground and momentum to PPC devices that rather than maintain or increase market share among business users they will begin a steady decline. Tapwave's response
Why dont they release this? There's enough space in there for a 40 gig hard drive. Add a jog dial and the right kind of buttons, and the right OS, and they will have it made. Surur RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
I would think the reason is that last I checked, Microsoft does not allow anything approaching the level of OS customization that PalmSource does. RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
Clearly not true. This is a win Ce device. Check out http://www.windowsfordevices.com/ for a wide variety of form factors. Surur RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
>>Clearly not true. This is a win Ce device. Ahhh - but then you have a device that won't run Pocket PC apps - it will run apps written for their flavor (Gizmondo flavor in this case) of ce. Win CE can be thought of as a set of OS components that manufacturers can build into an OS specific to their device using Microsofts Platform Builder (an expensive package designed for manufacturers to use for this purpose). The Gizmondo is not Pocket PC or Smartphone - it will run Win CE apps written for its specific version of Win CE ONLY. So the point is: WTF would P1 or Tapwave (or who ever) build a PDA that customizes Win CE for their device when there would be no software for it?? Pocket PC and Smartphone are defined subsets of CE with specific standards that OEMs must follow - they are very limited in any customization that they can do. MS has begun to make this standard more flexible (square screen, vga screen) and they might allow greater customization in the future - especially if they thought it would win over companies (including p1) from the competion (palm OS). But currently they do not allow that. RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
rsc1000, you misrepresent how much work Tapwave has done. They have just made a custom launcher, of which there are plenty in the pocketpc world, some even installed by default by the OEM, such as Dashboard or the My XDA screen on some pocketpcphones. The hp rx3715 has a similar dedicated today screen that addresses its supposed media player role. There is noting on the Zodiac which could not be replicated easily on a windows Mobile device. Surur RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
"Maybe P1 is actually reading the forums at brighthand, 1src, and PIC and finding out what will get people to buy a really expensive/cool handheld. This is shaping up to be an interesting May." Has Palm given me a reason to actually start development for Palm OS devices again? RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
>>>There is noting on the Zodiac which could not be replicated easily on a windows Mobile device. What an idiotic statement. How does it feel to be the whore of a billionaire pimp? RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
"How does it feel to be the whore of a billionaire pimp?"
Atleast he's getting some. ;-) 
RE: X = 10?
Let's hope this is a real ten, and not something that comes SOOO close but has a stupid oversight. I looks like they might pull a good one off this time, good enough to retire my T3... RE: X = 10?
X= X-Tra Thick And full of goodies to nake the young wingnuts smile. Q: Is that a Tungsten X in your pocket? A: No. Zodiac2/T616/WiFi'd RE: X = 10?He||Raiser @ 4/14/2005 7:48:18 PM #
I hope it's good enough to retire my T3; the damn thing is falling apart already. RE: X = 10?I.M Anonymous @ 4/15/2005 3:13:28 PM #
TX, becase everything's bigger is TX. Don't mess with TX. RE: X = 10?
All wrong: we all already know a T-X. It really kicks ass and is a true beauty... Find it here: http://tinyurl.com/b2b7y "Hasta la vista, Pocket PC..." ;-) RE: X = 10?ackmondual @ 4/16/2005 1:06:09 PM #
X = eXceptional, eXcellent, and the 'cross' between wifi + BT on a single device RE: X = 10?
Actually, for most people in computer world X means uniX. Just as in Mac (though Steve Jobs doesn't want to admit it, calling MacOSX "Mac OS Ten"), the most crucial part of PalmSource's future is delivering a PDA OS ontop of a unix kernel. Of course in the end, "T-X" will run PalmOS 5.x and, given its monstrous size, it will disappoint. RE: X = 10?
Really? New one on me. Most of the geeks I'm aware of would think of the X Window System. Which admittedly is used primarily on Unix boxen, but, still. And on an entirely separate note, this comment posting system desperately needs a "Preview" button, like, yesterday. There's otherwise no way to double-check one's work. Monster Palm™The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/18/2005 2:32:50 PM #
Of course in the end, "T-X" will run PalmOS 5.x and, given its monstrous size, it will disappoint. You won't be disappointed if you keep it in your front pocket. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: X = 10?
i think X will be a series, if they hat sucess.. :)
P.S.:Hello to all people here in PIC,
 Wait a second...
Palm OS Garnet? The old OS 5? Why do they suck? UZI4U182@suscom.net Main PDA: NX70v + WL100 http://clieflash.shorturl.com RE: Wait a second...AdamaDBrown @ 4/15/2005 3:47:09 AM #
Because, according to what we've heard from the licensees, OS 6 sucks even worse than staying with a hacked and reheated OS 5. RE: Wait a second...voice of chaos @ 4/15/2005 8:21:31 AM #
Maybe it's Garnet because (a) they've put a lot of effort into customizing Garnet for their needs (b) it's even more expensive to support a new OS, especially one that has not been released before (c) both. No matter how good Cobalt is as an OS it is very hard to convince anyone to adopt it unless the reason is compelling; it remains to be seen if Cobalt ever gets any traction, especially with Palm OS for Linux coming down the pike... RE: Wait a second...
>>OS 6 sucks even worse than staying with a hacked and reheated OS 5. People keep saying this - show me the proof that OS 6 'sucks'. Anybody can try out OS 6 for themselves: sign up as a developer at palmsource and download the simulator. The problem with OS 6 is : All of this was know to OEMs from day 1 (before the 1st version of Cobolt was released). P1 has not released a Cobolt device because with their only Palm OS competeion (Sony) out of the picture their is not nearly as much incentive to more pay $$$ on higher lisense fees, driver re-writes, and re-doing custom code. simple. What remains to be seen is whether P1 sees PPC competition as reason to go to Cobolt. Cobolt gives multitasking and (this is the important part IMO) native APIs that make it easier (no PNOlet work around pain for devs) to just write native code. The really nice openGL-like 2D graphics API and the built-in media framework are also great reasons to go with Cobolt. But these may not be enough. The talked about new interface and openGL have yet to materialize - maybe p1 is waiting for these features before bother to go to Cobolt? Afterall even though it is known what Cobolt is and what it does, the public (including posters here at PIC) seem to have a fuzzy idea of this new OS and are proably expecting a more visible cxhange (there isnt on really - it mostly looks just like OS 5). Knowing this - P1 might be waiting for the talked about palmsource new GUI concept so that users notice the jump to the new OS. RE: Wait a second...lifeaddict @ 4/16/2005 2:34:15 PM #
At last, some thoughtful analysis, as opposed to pure conjecture, speculation, and opinions posing as stated fact. I understand Palm's desire to pair a new body to a new engine to ensure greater media coverage and market hype. However, what I don't understand is the apparent lack of a sense of urgency to provide an operating system that not only takes back market leadership from Microsoft and PPC devices but one that will stem the erosion amongst business users. CobAlt is DOA. Get it trhrough your thick skulls.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/16/2005 3:04:17 PM #
CobAlt (Co[ntrol]B[e]Alt[Delete] was a brave gamble for PalmSource, but in the end, they couldn't pull it off. The CMS codemonkeys won't be able to hack CobAlt into PalmLinux in time for anyone to care. WinCE seems destined to win this battle simply by PalmSource forfeit. It shouldn't have been this way. Morale at PalmSource has reached an all time low and the rats are starting to flee the sinking ship. The DevCom is starting to look like more of a wake these days. If Mike Cane will pay for a limo to take me down to the PalmSource conference, I'll make sure to verbally abuse "Nero" Nagel until he puts down his fiddle and leaves the building. Make sure to send my bail money too, Cane. TVoR (the antiMichaelMace) ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Wait a second...lifeaddict @ 4/16/2005 3:58:15 PM #
You are right, it shouldn't have been this way. RE: Wait a second...
>>WinCE seems destined to win this battle simply by PalmSource forfeit. It shouldn't have been this way. No - it shouldn't have been this way. But I don't blame palmsource - they didn't know Sony was about to dump them (or at least didn't know until Cobolt was well underway). I blame p1 for taking the dumb gamble that they could cash in by doing nothing but keeping / raising their insane margins - hoping that all those people fleeing the Sony camp would jump to p1 and they could rake in $ and pocket it without the added expense of moving to Cobolt. The gamble failed and the mis-step was costly (market share lost to MS). That marketshare is HARD to get back. I think p1 is not doomed. If they can possibly (!) adapt and realize once-and-for-all that you cannot rest on your laurels and treat your customers like chumps, then they have a chance. The Treo brand is huge and a big $ maker. It has a future if they stay ahead of things and avoid stupid Treo 650-like technical mess-ups. But I am getting off my point: not only is p1 the company to blame for killing Cobolt - but they shot themselves in the foot doing it. We await the final release of the T X to see if they can recover their lost mojo. RE: Wait a second...
The talked about new interface and openGL have yet to materialize - maybe p1 is waiting for these features before bother to go to Cobolt? Afterall even though it is known what Cobolt is and what it does, the public (including posters here at PIC) seem to have a fuzzy idea of this new OS and are proably expecting a more visible cxhange (there isnt on really - it mostly looks just like OS 5) Actually, the new interface has been here for months. Check out the 6.1 sim. It looks nice. I agree with rsc. I am sick of people saying Cobalt sucks. They do not know what they are talking about. Cobalt is a powerful OS that can multitask, has graphics and multimedia frameworks built in, and removes numerous barriers of the old OS. Developers from companies have came to the forums asking when will Cobalt be out on devices. Some are waiting to begin their development, and some are angry because they have Cobalt apps but no devices to run them on. I still have not heard any evidence that Cobalt sucks. Those who claim Cobalt sucks are not developers so have not seen the APIs, and have never actually used it. PalmOne's current rendition of Garnet seems nearly hacked to instability just to get freatures Cobalt has. PalmOne is only not going to Cobalt because they are lazy and comfortable with no competition. Cobalt is in no way a failure. Several smartphones are in the works. PalmOne's stupidity will in no way bring down PalmSource. Palm OS can move on without PalmOne. RE: Wait a second...
But the bottom line is nobody wants Cobalt. Can you imagine Dell or HP deciding in 2001 that they will just stick with Windows 98 and not ship any new PCs with Windows XP? And how many new Axims and Ipaqs do you think will be shipped with anything but Windows Mobile 2005 in 2006? If Cobalt was so great, licensees would be all over it. If you build quality and offer value and market it, they will come. Nagel is a con artist. See Copland link below. (Foo - this one's for you!) http://www.businessweek.com/1995/51/b345595.htm Wow must be Deja vu for Nagel
You could take that article, substitute Palmsource for Apple, Cobalt for Copeland and move it 10 years on, and it would all still make perfect sense. Guess in another 10 years Palm will have a profitable 4% niche marketshare too. Surur RE: Wait a second...
But the bottom line is nobody wants Cobalt. Can you imagine Dell or HP deciding in 2001 that they will just stick with Windows 98 and not ship any new PCs with Windows XP? If nobody wants Cobalt then why are devices in the works? It is only Palm who won't budge. A Windows change is extremely easy to do. To ship the new version of Windows you have to do virtually no work. Just up the RAM and Proc speed like they are always doing and you're good. Every version of Windows is virtually interchangeable. And since M$ deosn't allow modification of WindowsMobile I would imagine it is the same story. For PalmOne to move to Cobalt they would have to ditch the hacked up version of Garnet and start all over with thier mods. They have much work to do. This is why they wont move. New licensees however who are just starting out with Palm OS are getting right to buisiness. RE: Wait a second...AdamaDBrown @ 4/19/2005 2:40:39 AM #
RSC, ask the licensees. PalmOne and others--even PalmSource themselves--have admitted that Cobalt as released was unfit for use. The licencees still feel that way. JKingGrim, who says there are Cobalt devices on the way? PalmOne doesn't have any coming, and they're the only major licensee. Samsung doesn't seem to have anything on tap. Garmin and Tapwave definitely don't. The latter three are barely in the PalmOS market. That leaves only GSPDA, who *may* have one Cobalt device *if* their noname sibling company delivers on their promised OS support at some undisclosed time later this year. Not a ringing endorsement. Actually, Windows Mobile is not a 'drop-in' upgrade. Like PalmOS, it has to be tailored to the device. The WM devs are working to make it more modular, and less OEM dependant for upgrades, but it's currently not true that it can't be modified or that it's completely painless to upgrade. And lastly, if PalmSource had done their jobs properly, most of the things PalmOne has added to the OS would already be in Cobalt. RE: Wait a second...
Battlestar Galactica Commander: Nagel, at the 6.1 coming out party, announced they have 11 licensees and that Cobalt devices are coming this year. Do I believe him? Well, this is also the guy who thought PalmOS was fit for notebooks... RE: Wait a second...AdamaDBrown @ 4/20/2005 6:07:46 PM #
He also said that Cobalt devices were coming in 2004. And at the 04 DevCon he said that Cobalt based devices were "coming, compelling, and many." We've all seen what a huge lie that was. Who are those licensees? Well, lets see the list on PalmSource's website. Aceeca. Did they ever actually produce any hardware? I don't think so. Certainly not mass-market, and nothing for the enterprise market that I'm aware of either. Alphasmart. A fine tool for well-funded suburban classrooms, and electric typewriter fans, but the niche market is as far as the Dana is going. Fossil. The comic relief of the market, their Palm OS wristwatch is like slapping a Pentium sticker on a pocket calculator and claiming it's a computer. No future for them. Garmin. At most, a niche player. At worst, they're moving to Windows with their new models. Nobody knows for sure, but either way not many people are willing to pay $500 for an underfeatured PDA with built-in GPS. Garmin is limited to the ultra-high-end GPS market. GSPDA. A powerhouse compared to most others on the list, but still a nobody outside Asia. And without more impressive hardware than they've been showing, and service providers to carry their phones, they never will be. Kyocera. Out of the market. Lenovo. Never in the market outside China, which they've pretty much given up on anyway. PalmOne. Despite some anemic performances in the mid-range and the high-end handhelds, P1 is doing pretty well. They haven't avoided being tagged by PalmSource's Cobalt debacle, but they have managed to succeed with the Treo line, and have been more or less holding their own in addition to carrying PalmSource. PiTech. Who? They've certainly never touched the U.S. market. Samsung. Nearly out of the market. Sony. Out of the market. Symbol. A few antiquated niche units left on sale, so they're still counted as a licensee. But nothing that would beat a Palm Vx for specs. Tapwave, despite nice specs and decent pricing, hobbled their market entry with an excessive focus on gaming, which would never sell broadly. Too late, they've realised that and tried to turn it into a media player, but the damage was already done. And without a new model until 2006 at the earliest, the company won't survive long enough to get a second chance. So, we're left with PalmOne as the only licensee that's still sucking oxygen as more than a formality in the larger market. This is what slays me when people say that if PalmOne doesn't do something, another licensee will take up the slack. There are no other licensees. Long and short of it, the decline of PalmOS can be squarely placed on PalmSource. Their licensee list should include companies like IBM, Panasonic, and RIM. All three of these be interested in a simple and effective platform as a base for their technologies and designs. Toshiba and Dell too. PalmSource had unquestioned market leadership, and because of idiocy, mismanagement, sloth, bad marketing, and hubris they blew it, lost licensees and developers, and are now resorting to the lie-of-the-week to keep the ship afloat while they seek a miracle cure. So if anyone wonders why I get annoyed at PalmSource, THAT's why. RE: Wait a second...
I don't know what licensees. They are probably not listed on PalmSource's website. And so what if P1 is not comming out with Cobalt devices. That does not mean that no one else will. If P1 went out today PalmSource would NOT die. There are devices in the works, and just because you or I do not know who is making them does not mean it is not true. PalmSource licensees... deconstructed.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/20/2005 10:12:46 PM #
Who are those licensees? Well, lets see the list on PalmSource's website. Aceeca. Did they ever actually produce any hardware? I don't think so. Certainly not mass-market, and nothing for the enterprise market that I'm aware of either. Alphasmart. A fine tool for well-funded suburban classrooms, and electric typewriter fans, but the niche market is as far as the Dana is going. Fossil. The comic relief of the market, their Palm OS wristwatch is like slapping a Pentium sticker on a pocket calculator and claiming it's a computer. No future for them. Garmin. At most, a niche player. At worst, they're moving to Windows with their new models. Nobody knows for sure, but either way not many people are willing to pay $500 for an underfeatured PDA with built-in GPS. Garmin is limited to the ultra-high-end GPS market. GSPDA. A powerhouse compared to most others on the list, but still a nobody outside Asia. And without more impressive hardware than they've been showing, and service providers to carry their phones, they never will be. Kyocera. Out of the market. Lenovo. Never in the market outside China, which they've pretty much given up on anyway. PalmOne. Despite some anemic performances in the mid-range and the high-end handhelds, P1 is doing pretty well. They haven't avoided being tagged by PalmSource's Cobalt debacle, but they have managed to succeed with the Treo line, and have been more or less holding their own in addition to carrying PalmSource. PiTech. Who? They've certainly never touched the U.S. market. Samsung. Nearly out of the market. Sony. Out of the market. Symbol. A few antiquated niche units left on sale, so they're still counted as a licensee. But nothing that would beat a Palm Vx for specs. Tapwave, despite nice specs and decent pricing, hobbled their market entry with an excessive focus on gaming, which would never sell broadly. Too late, they've realised that and tried to turn it into a media player, but the damage was already done. And without a new model until 2006 at the earliest, the company won't survive long enough to get a second chance. So, we're left with PalmOne as the only licensee that's still sucking oxygen as more than a formality in the larger market. This is what slays me when people say that if PalmOne doesn't do something, another licensee will take up the slack. There are no other licensees. Long and short of it, the decline of PalmOS can be squarely placed on PalmSource. Their licensee list should include companies like IBM, Panasonic, and RIM. All three of these be interested in a simple and effective platform as a base for their technologies and designs. Toshiba and Dell too. PalmSource had unquestioned market leadership, and because of idiocy, mismanagement, sloth, bad marketing, and hubris they blew it, lost licensees and developers, and are now resorting to the lie-of-the-week to keep the ship afloat while they seek a miracle cure. So if anyone wonders why I get annoyed at PalmSource, THAT's why. Guess you might as well kiss your invitation to Nero Nagel's birthday party goodbye. Fairly accurate summary, by the way. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... A point about the accuracy of the above...
I'd just like to make a point about PiTech (aka Qool), GSPDA & Xpro - just because its not heading to the US market straight away or indeed my never reach the US market does not mean the device is a failure for PalmSource. The Asian market is large (what was it - 1/5th of the world's population live in China) and before people say "Oh there's no money in the Chinese market" don't forget that Japan is also a big fan of mobile technology and has the currency to back it up. I guess my point is that the US market is not the make & break of a device - its overall worldwide sales and given that these companies are based in China, logic suggests that they would prove their devices in home terratries first, build up a reputation before shipping internationally. I know Qool (Pitech) has European plans at the end of the year. I would also assume that American shipping would follow soon after. Oh, and knock it off with the Tapwave DOA stuff.
What - one comment from a guy once and that's taken as a 100% accurate predicition of the future? A lot can change over the course of a year - no-one saw a T-X coming with a built in hard drive 6 months ago... RE: Wait a second...AdamaDBrown @ 4/21/2005 10:14:07 PM #
PalmSource's licensees *are* listed on their website. It's really quite clear. Do you think they have secret licensees? In the situation they're in, with as little investor confidence as they have, they would announce any new licensee they got. This is what drives me crazy. Some people insist there are other licensees even when PalmSource's own list says there aren't any other licensees. The Chinese and Japanese markets aren't going to sustain PalmSource. In Japan, Palm based units are up against not just PocketPCs, but dozens of flavors of proprietary systems--which sell a lot better in Japan than they do here--such as the PSP. The Chinese market is large, and does well at sustaining its native companies, but ultimately the volume there is in low-end cell phones, which doesn't really suit PalmSource. PS must have NorthAm and Europe markets to really flourish. PalmOne has a regular release cycle, and plenty of capital to build new models. We always knew that they would come out with new models. Tapwave is a small startup, and doesn't have the same capital and engineering capability that PalmOne does. On top of that, they've quite clearly stated their intentions. Once they realize that the Zodiac isn't going to take off, they may try to build and push another model, but it's anyone's guess whether or not they'll have the capital by then. Mike Cane, Fortune Teller...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/22/2005 12:12:41 AM #
I'd just like to make a point about PiTech (aka Qool), GSPDA & Xpro - just because its not heading to the US market straight away or indeed my never reach the US market does not mean the device is a failure for PalmSource. The Asian market is large (what was it - 1/5th of the world's population live in China) and before people say "Oh there's no money in the Chinese market" don't forget that Japan is also a big fan of mobile technology and has the currency to back it up. I guess my point is that the US market is not the make & break of a device - its overall worldwide sales and given that these companies are based in China, logic suggests that they would prove their devices in home terratries first, build up a reputation before shipping internationally. I know Qool (Pitech) has European plans at the end of the year. I would also assume that American shipping would follow soon after. China likes free, stolen, almost free and open source. That means Linux flavors and ultra-cheap or ultra-basic phone OSes. PalmOS is neither. Japan has little interest in PalmOS - Sony was the only company selling any number of PalmOS PDAs and they've pulled out for now and are throwing their resources behind the can't-miss monster hit also known as PSP. PiTech's product looks like the overly-ambitious product of a electronics hobbyist. Nice try. It has a snowball's chance in New Jersey of making it. As far as PalmOS is concerned, without the US and (to a lesser degree, EuroWorld), they have nothing. Just look at how Palm's sales have gone by continent over the years. In 2004, Palm must have sold around a couple dozen PDAs in China. So much for that China MobileSoft deal opening up that legendary massive untapped Chinese market... I coulda been a contenda... What - one comment from a guy once and that's taken as a 100% accurate predicition of the future? A lot can change over the course of a year - no-one saw a T-X coming with a built in hard drive 6 months ago... Get serious. Tapwave was a Dead Company Walking as soon as it announced its business model. They might have had a chance if they had the brains to put the Zodiac 2 hardware into a black metal Tungsten E sized case. But they didn't and will eventually go the way of the dodo. No one wants big, dorky-looking PDAs - no matter how good the specs are (and Tapwave's specs ARE good, even today). The post outlining PalmSource's licensees was brutally honest and even perhaps a bit generous. If PalmSource can get PalmOS onto the Sony PSP, Nintendo DS (+ its rumored PSP-class follow-up), and a dozen or so INEXPENSIVE, small, brand name cellphones before the year is out, they will survive and maybe even prosper. Otherwise, it's Game Over. The Cobalt Debacle took what little wind PalmSource had left out of their sails. Too bad the greedy ba$tards created that artificial split of Palm last year. Motorola, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, Sanyo, LG, etc. should have been STRONGLY encouraged to ship PalmOS phones by offering them ultra-cheap licenses. Instead, PalmSource has the best phone OS that no one wants. A lot of good that will do the company. As for the Palm with a built-in hard drive: the only surprise is W T F it took Palm so long to produce this. The parts are all off-the-shelf and have been around for years. EVEN MIKE CANE PREDICTED THIS. IN 2001. Last time I checked, this was 2005. Way to go Palm! http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=2754 ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... Congrats, Cane, your 2001 Sony prediction was almost right.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/22/2005 1:48:36 AM #
You were just off a little on the timing. Sony licensed the IBM/Hitachi Microdrive technology in 2004 and now makes their own Microdrives. The follow-up PalmOS media player after the VZ90 was expected to ship with a Microdrive onboard. Had a stable, fully developed Cobalt (PalmOS 6) been available to Sony in early 2004, I believe the VZ90 would have shipped with a Microdrive last year, trumping Palm by at least 6 months. With the PSP expected to drive sales of extremely profitable large capacity Memory Sticks (this strategy is reportedly already working as people are now starting to use their PSPs as portable video players!), I doubt we'll be seeing the relatively inexpensive Microdrives in any of Sony's consumer electronics any time soon. The PSP is analogous to Gillette giving away razors in order to make money selling blades (games + Memory Sticks). Very clever. Nintendo is fcuked. Totally. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... Wow - I agree with you on something : )
While I disagree with your doom & gloom predictions for Palm OS, I am bang alongside you over THIS prediction: "Nintendo is fcuked." Royally - DS sales have been pathetic in the UK because everyone is hanging on the PSP. PalmOS vs. Sony PSP vs. Nintendo DS. And the winner is...The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/23/2005 7:37:26 PM #
First of all, the DS is strictly for the Little Kiddies (6 - 12 year olds), so it can quickly be dispensed with. If Nintendo can't bring out a PSP fighter that competes spec for spec with PSP, they'll have lost all credibility in the gaming world. Even the new kid on the block, Xbox, is kicking Nintendo's a$$. The DS will soon be repositioned as an ultra-cheap Kiddie toy and they'll try to undercut PSP significantly on price. But it won't matter - DS is already getting laughed out of town. PSP can and will add intuitive PIM, browser, email and video player/desktop converter apps and become a multimedia powerhouse, but it still lacks PalmOS. And its gaming form factor limitations put it at a disadvantage to PalmOS devices. PalmOS + 6 GB Microdrive + CompactFlash slot + 8 hour battery + OLED screen + slick MP3 player (and iTunes style desktop app) + easy to use MPEG converter, all selling for $499 would put Palm back in the game. Quickly. Next month's feeble new Palm offering is significant mainly for showing yet again how Palm seems intent on squandering every opportunity it has to be successful. The Multimedia CLIEs would have been KILLER devices that would have shown everyone what an overpriced joke iPods really are. Will Tapwave be able to scrape up the venture capital needed to build a Multimedia Palm? We'll see, but I'd be surprised to see them still in business in 12 months. Nice knowing ya, Peng... ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Wait a second...
I'll say this for the Zodiac - at least it isn't a Gizmondo (or more accurately Gizmondodo). I was up in London this weekend and went in the "Flagship Store" - deserted. Completely deserted. It's also taken a hell of a hammering in reviews and it doesn't the Tapwave's versatility to redeem it. A little Off-Topic, but I thought it needed to be said. RE: Wait a second...
You will have to look very far to find many people who expect that device to be a success. The OS is irrelevant if they dont give you access to the device to run your own programs. Its also really stupid for a small company to go up against Nintendo and Sony. They have my sympathies though. Surur RE: Wait a second...
Here's a thought: - would the Gizmondo have been a success if it had been running Palm OS, Windows Mobile or a Mobile Mac OS? RE: Wait a second...
Maybe if Apple made one, as they have amazing mindshare and market goodwill currently. Otherwise any small company just does not have the resources to face down Sony or Nintendo, no matter what the OS. This is especially true if they face them on directly on their own battleground i.e. single use gaming devices. The only reason Tapwave is still alive is because they targeted a niche market with a multifunction device. Unfortunately they chose to target the wrong OS. If they went the multi-function Windows Mobile route they would have had much more (but still limited) success. The must have started development when it still looked like Palm OS would prevail. The truth is that most people tell themselves they need PDA's for business. Even when consumers buy PDA's you have to make them business friendly, and business use and a gaming form factor are largely incompatible, mainly due to the stares you would get from your co-workers. Surur Mike Cane: any more predictions, Swami?The_Voice_of_Reason @ 5/7/2005 3:02:24 PM #
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=2754 Nice to see ONE of your wild guesses finally come true. Your batting average just shot up to .0025. Way to go, Mike! I trust pa1mOne has sent you the new Palm to review by now? Sucker. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend...
I'm InTimothy Rapson @ 4/14/2005 7:47:13 PM #
That's it. I wasn't considering it, but now that I know it will have a cool name like X (Z might have gotten me, but X is just perfect.) I am definitely getting one. Don't care if the screen is dim or the battery life is bad. I NEED A PDA NAMED X. Just plain need it. Can't wait. Anyone know who is taking pre-orders?
Glad I bought the T5!
Specs are nice but "twice the thickness of the T5"? How much will this thing weigh? I already have a Treo600 on one hip and they want me to carry this too? My pants would be falling down. This thing is going to be small niche product me thinks. But on the bright side, it is one step closer to the Tablet market and that's where Palm should be heading to make up for the shrinking PDA space as smartphones continue their growth. RE: Glad I bought the T5!AdamaDBrown @ 4/15/2005 3:49:11 AM #
Rumors of the handheld market's death have been greatly exaggerated. Rumors of smartphone growth even more so. RE: Glad I bought the T5!bhartman34 @ 4/15/2005 6:50:03 AM #
I bought the T5, and despite some of its flaws (lack of Wi-Fi, somewhat tempermental reliability) I'm glad that I did now. The Tungsten X sounds like a brick, if it's two T5's put together. Of course, if it's actually got a hard drive in it, it's *got* to have more heft than a conventional Palm, but if the thing doesn't fit in my pocket (of a dress shirt) that's a deal-breaker for me. RE: Glad I bought the T5!
I agree. This is too thick for a lot of people. But, this is definitely one feature-packed pda from Palm. I'm glad to see that they are including a lot of features that people have been wanting for a long time. All good things... Shirt pocket??ackmondual @ 4/16/2005 1:17:38 PM #
How many ppl here actually keep PDAs in their shirt pocket? I would imagine women's attire doesn't typically have shirt pockets so that leaves about a small half of us here out. My glasses usually fall out when I lean over. I would NOT trust my PDA to take its place at nearly 2 feet higher. At twice the thickness of a T5, pocket pants should still be doable. I just tried putting my z71 and T3 in my pocket side by side and at least that's fine... save for how heavy the TX will really be. RE: Shirt pocket???bhartman34 @ 4/16/2005 11:26:38 PM #
Hi, ackmondual. A pants pocket is not doable for me. I'm in a wheelchair, so the choices are shirt pocket or front pouch of my chair. In my front pouch, the PDA isn't readily available when I'm sitting at a table. (And there's a greater chance of me dropping it pulling it out of there.) If it's not something I can put in my pocket, it gets a *lot* less use, and I'm not going to spend $500+ on something without getting a hell of a lot of use out of it. Anyway, I'd imagine that a back pocket isn't the safest place for a PDA, anyway, is it? (Not working from personal experience here, obviously...) RE: Glad I bought the T5!ackmondual @ 4/17/2005 2:39:23 AM #
Nah, don't know of any1 who would dare to put a PDA in their back pocket. If ya sit down, it may break, unless u keep it in a hard case. Some ppl will always remember to take it out or transfer it to the front, and I scarcely do that. RE: Glad I bought the T5!
A couple of weeks back, Mr Gekko posted a link to the Palm Addicts blog. He titled his post 'honest review of T5' (or something like that). The link referred to the story of a user who was having problems with his T5.
Here is another link to Palm Addicts: http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmaddicts/2005/04/t5_180_degrees_.html This is an update posted by the same user. He discovered that the problems were caused by a single program (even though the developer claimed that it was conpatible with the T5). Note also that Mr Gekko has not posted this new link for our information, presumably because he has some axe to grind against the T5. You can judge for yourself.
64MB?
I doubt 64MB of RAM. If it has anything that adds up to 64 in terms of chips, it'll probably be 32MB "invisible" real RAM and 32MB of FRAM. I'm not cheering until the specs are officially announced -- and not even then, until it's in the hands of us "wingnuts" who will discover the truth (well, the adept "wingnuts" will; I'll take their -- and not p1's -- word for it). RE: 64MB?
64 MB sounds reasonable to me since the hard-drive probably needs as much cache space as it can get to keep the batteries going. At that price, though, they should ship it with at least 128 MB. RE: 64MB?
Yeah Dev, I think you're on to something with the battery note, the hard drive should be shunned for normal pda usage to increase battery life. This makes for an interesting thought. Suppose the HD isn't even really accessible by the OS... what if only the MP3 player sees it and otherwise it just acts as any other USB Harddrive when plugged into a computer? T'would be ridiculous 'eh? RE: 64MB?
Brighthand is reporting a source at p1 has confirmed 64 Meg with 57 meg for users.
When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty.
Comes with Normsoft's Pocket Tunes. COOL~!!
I am glad to hear that. PTune rocks. TX is now like iPod for adults. Hope there is a way to MOD the 4GB HDD to something bigger tho... RE: Comes with Normsoft's Pocket Tunes. COOL~!!
I was waiting for someone to suggest a mod for bigger HDD. I guess its just a matter of time before someone tries. Are these the same HDD found in iPod's ? what are they like 1.5"?? RE: Comes with Normsoft's Pocket Tunes. COOL~!!None_of_Your_Busines @ 4/15/2005 9:43:04 AM #
The best part about this is Pocket Tunes will be able to work with Real's Rhapsody streaming music service. This currently offers over 80,000 songs and 60 commercial-free radio stations. RE: Comes with Normsoft's Pocket Tunes. COOL~!!
Is this confirmed? I'm a Rhapsody subscriber, and would be interested in that functionality. Their website does not seem to make any mention of this. Surur RE: Comes with Normsoft's Pocket Tunes. COOL~!!
I have PTunes and I tried with ShoutCast and it works fine. You go to your web borwser and click the link, then Pocket Tunes will play the streaming music.
The thing I like about Pocket Tunes is that they add a "connector" to Windows Media Players. You can sync your music through media players just like iPod and iTunes.
Going Commando?
I don't see any attachments at all for a flip-cover or case. I wonder if palmOne is thinking many users will go no-case-in-pocket, iPod style. RE: Going Commando?Marshall Flinkman @ 4/15/2005 4:02:28 PM #
Maybe, but the touchscreen makes it more of an issue IMHO. Personally, since all the size comparisons are to the T5, I'd like to see it compared to the T3 or the C--size and weight.
What the heck is Lightpipe?
Have any of the other threads produced any notions about whether this 'lightpipe' will have some added functionality. Or is it just an oddly named on/off/charge light? RE: What the heck is Lightpipe?Colormeweb @ 4/15/2005 9:16:06 AM #
The "lightpipe" is a very small neon light that is inset around the entire outside edge. It is meant to attract younger users that would normally go out and buy an ipod. RE: What the heck is Lightpipe?I.M Anonymous @ 4/15/2005 3:06:31 PM #
^Umm, no. That is not at all what a lightpipe is. A lightpipe is like a crude fiber optic. It is simply a transparent piece of plastic that can channel light from one location to another. If you've ever taken apart an optical mouse (or looked closely at the bottom of one), the little clear piece of plastic between the LED and the bottom of the mouse is a lightpipe. Similarly, on most comuter cases, the power and HDD LEDs don't actually stick out of the front of the case, but are mounted further back and transmit their light through a lightpipe to the front of the case. Now, on the TX, using a lightpipe would allow them the flexibility of mounting the status LED or LEDS further inside the body, and would allow them to have several LEDs (perhaps different colors) which all shine through the same lightpipe to the same indicator. Heck, we could see one light that showed flashing green for charging, green for fully charged, red for low battery, white for alarms, blue for a bluetooth signal, purple for a wifi signal, and orange for hard drive access. RE: What the heck is Lightpipe?RhinoSteve @ 4/15/2005 5:01:36 PM #
"TX" -- I think someone was watching the Terminator movies a lot when they named this! RE: What the heck is Lightpipe?
"...several LEDs (perhaps different colors) which all shine through the same lightpipe to the same indicator. Heck, we could see one light that showed flashing green for charging, green for fully charged, red for low battery, white for alarms, blue for a bluetooth signal, purple for a wifi signal, and orange for hard drive access." ...er you mean white (all colors combined) when you have hard drive access while fully charged, with both Bluetooth and Wifi on? We aware aren't we that red, green, and amber can all be done with a single tri-mode LED? As for the sentiment though, I do miss the informative green/red solid/blinking LED on my previous HandEra 330, for missed alarms and charging status. RE: What the heck is Lightpipe?ackmondual @ 4/16/2005 1:25:12 PM #
multi-colored LED light sounds cool, but frankly, i'd rather they do what's alr been done on the clies. Have a seperate indicator light for BT, wifi, mp3 access, and whatever else they've got. The tr650 alr uses a system similar to the new TX will do. RE: What the heck is Lightpipe?
Hmmm. Thats a lot of LEDs. Why not just go with this. Costs less. Who wants a PDA with 5 blinking lights?
WiFi
This thing better have WPA and 802.1x support.... I haven't been able to use my T|C at work since I tightened up security and I've been itching for the next professional model from Palm so I can reconnect to my network. If this model doesn't have 802.1x support then I don't think that Palm are serious about corporate use of their products, and as much as I dislike them, when it comes time to replace the T|T fleet I'll be looking seriously at Windows Mobile devices. David RE: WiFi
"I'll be looking seriously at Windows Mobile devices." for professional use ? Are you kidding ? I have never seen worse implementation of "Office" compatibility that MS has done in the PPC/WMobile world. Perhaps they are too busy fixing the OS flaws. I use an old T|T and overpasses the functionality PocketPC offers now for $500. I read the email on the go agaisnt our IMAP4 server (via bluetooth DUN), connect to my desktop via an ICA client, mount samba volumes from our corporative server, and edit a few Office documents without the "format removing feature" that occur in PPC devices. Office compatibility
DocsToGo is third party software. So is Textmaker. http://www.softmaker.de/tmp_en.htm
Your argument is specious at best, and you did not offer a solution to his specific problem. Surur RE: WiFi
BTW, there is no Textmaker for Palm, despite development since 2003. Wonder why they never succeeded, depsite having a Textmaker for windows, Windows Mobile, Linux and the Zaurus. Maybe Palm Os is a nightmare to develop for... Surur RE: WiFi
"you did not offer a solution to his specific problem." It is not possible to offer a solution to a problem that does not exist yet. Or perhaps the Tungsten X has been released and I didn't noticed? "DocsToGo is third party software" that IS INCLUDED FREE with any Palm device sold. Or perhaps you don't know it, Surur ? BTW DocsToGo, offers better performance and functionalities than any Microsoft software for PPC/WMobile. This is a FACT reflected in any review you can look for in google. Also, Textmaker, from my point of view, is a great WORDPROCESSOR, RE: WiFi
Documents to Go is bundled with Tungsten Palms and is installed in ROM so I think someone ought to check their facts. I have both a PPC and a T3 and believe me we are talking light years better office compatibility on the Palm. PPC word and Excel are absolutely useless. RE: WiFi
Whats prescindible ? btw softmaker.de also does planmaker http://www.softmaker.de/pmp_en.htm which is a very nice excel clone. There are also a few powerpoint viewers available. Third party means produced by some-one other than Palmsource. Remember, we are talking about an OS here, not a particular device. DocsToGo is not included with all palms. Just because PocketInformant ships with the HP4700 does not mean suddenly its part of the OS. Remember, we are talking about a platform function which is not available. The software he needs to do his job is a different story all together, and is available on both platforms, and of better quality in the pocketpc world. Surur Bundled software costs you
Also a further point. If its third party software that company has to be paid in some way. Unless its included in the base OS every piece of bundled software raises the price you pay for the unit. Maybe thats why palms cost more for the same or poorer hardware. Fujitsu-Siemens does it better. They give you points, which you can redeem for the software of your choice, including Textmaker and Planmaker. http://www.pocketloox-choice.com/category.php?cat=2 A better way of doing it, isn't it? Surur RE: WiFi
Huh? How did my comment about being able to connect securely to my existing, extensive wireless network turn into a debate about office apps? I said I didn't like Windows Mobile devices, and I agree, Palm is more than up to the task for office type apps. What I want to do is allow a lot more staff the freedom to mostly check their mail and their calendar - the same freedom that I used to have before I had to chuck WEP out the door and tighten up a bit. I have nine remote sites and a main office all covered by wireless and eventually want to replace the managers'T|T fleet with something that provides a bit more functionality for them as they move around the city rather than being tied to a cradle. Bluetooth is a good suggestion, but I already have an extensive wifi network in place - as I suspect do many corporate workplaces - and I want to make use of it. What I'm suggesting is that if PalmOne only has WEP in the Tungsten X then I don't think they are serious about this device being used by the corporate sector - because no one in the corporate sector is seriously using WEP any more. If they are still using WEP, then they don't take their security too seriously..... David RE: WiFi
davidp said Huh? How did my comment about being able to connect securely to my existing, extensive wireless network turn into a debate about office apps? Exactly. Its like telling some-one you are upgrading to a truck because you need to haul a lot of building material, and being told you should stick with a bicycle because the exercise is good for you. Irrelevant and not addressing the problem. Surur RE: WiFi
Davidp, Your comment didn't. There are ALWAYS people out there waiting to try and flame ppc. Unlike most intelligent people, these 'hardcore fanatics' for lack of a better phrase, are blind to the fact that ppc works for some people better than Palm, and for others, Palm works better than ppc. Don't worry to much about comments like you got. RE: WiFi
Dear davip, I completly agree on your point of view about WEP/802.11x, but the new device haven't been released, we even don't know the final specs. Let's see what's out. What I find argueable is the extrapolation of that (old) issue to the office environment as a whole. I hard defense Palm supperiority in this field, at least in my experience. If Microsoft had a simmilar advantage, Palm platform would be crushed in seconds.
From my office use description I am only backing up this point. I think sometimes we don't realize we (Palm community) are ahead over Microsoft platform (obviously not in all aspects, but yes in some key ones), but we also have to keep demanding from Palm. I think this is good for the market and for the users.
4GB, that probably means FAT32
Current handhelds from palmOne support only FAT16 which is limited to 2GB. I wonder whether they'll bite the bullet and start supporting FAT32 or whether it means there will be 2 FAT16 partitions. I hope the fat32 driver can be copied to T5 or E2 too if T-X will have it. It would be nice to have 4gig SD card in T5. No need for bulky T-X then. RE: 4GB, that probably means FAT32
1) The Zodiac is larger than the T5 (and possibly the X), so that does not solve the size issue brought up. 2) Two separate cards automatically imples two different file systems, so this is not relevant to the point about FAT32 driver speculation. Please explain how this reply is relevant. I'm curious. RE: 4GB, that probably means FAT32AdamaDBrown @ 4/16/2005 1:31:08 AM #
There currently are no 4 GB SD cards. Manufacturers are having a hard enough time trying to make 2 GB cards at $200 a piece. We won't see 4 GB SD cards for some time. CompactFlash vs. SD vs. MicroDriveThe_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/18/2005 2:37:30 PM #
It would be nice to have 4gig SD card in T5. No need for bulky T-X then. 8 MB CompactFlash cards are already available. SD sucks severely. SD is a scam. SDIO is the biggest scam.™ ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: 4GB, that probably means FAT32
Voice (or anyone else), do you know if the CF-supporting Clies (and even the HE330) are limitd to 1gb or 2gb CF memory cards? I mean, I figure that 2gb might be a reach under these older devices & FAT16 but I'd certainly expect them to handle 1gb CF cards with ease. SD is not an inherently bad format--just plagued with early issues dumped on it nearly entirely by SanDisk in their rush to corner the retail market. Once it matured and broke past the 128mb ceiling, SD has really gained some traction these past two years or so. I personally would never go with a flash card that was physically smaller, as that is just begging to get lost/misplaced. I am fine with the market being pretty much halved between SD on the low to midrange of the "consumer" and CF taking the pro & prosumer segments of the market (at least for digicams). For PDAs, I like the way the hp has long done it--single SDIO for cheap devices and CF/SDIO for the pricer iPaqs. RE: 4GB, that probably means FAT32AdamaDBrown @ 4/19/2005 2:52:33 AM #
VoR, I think you mean 8 *GB* CF cards? Because 8 MB isn't that impressive. RE: 4GB, that probably means FAT32The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/20/2005 10:17:07 PM #
Even old hardware could address 2 GB. I don't have a 4 or 6 MB MicroDrive, so I can't answer that. I believe the VZ90 can accept Microdrive, despite every website on the Internet saying otherwise (repeating the identical, plagiarized statement). Yes I meant to say 8 GB CF cards are available. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: 4GB, that probably means FAT32The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/20/2005 11:32:27 PM #
I don't have a 4 or 6 GB MicroDrive...
Don't use drugs, kids. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend...
T-X? Wasn't that from some movie?
Nice. The world's first PDA with shape changing ability and a penchant for hunting down deliquent teenagers...
Leading again!
I know there's some Linux-based PDA with embedded HD, but there's no Pocket PC with embedded HD. Am I right? Finally, PalmOne is innovating again and brining PDA with embedded HD and non-volatile memory to the masses! RE: Leading again!AdamaDBrown @ 4/15/2005 12:47:00 PM #
There used to be. Toshiba had a model with a 1 GB Microdrive a couple of years ago, but they don't make them anymore. It was decomissioned partly due to age, partly to the fact that it was never a big sales success even in Japan. Also, most PocketPCs have access to CompactFlash removable microdrives if they want. RE: Leading again!
The Microdrive was the standard CF one, bundled in the box. It was not built into the GENIO. Built-in microdrives better?
Im sure when some-one is brave enough to open up a t x the microdrive will also be pretty standard. There are a number of disadvantages to having a built-in microdrive. It is less upgradeable, when it breaks you can not replace it easily, and you can not remove it and place it in a dedicated card reader to fill it up faster. The only real advantage to having a microdrive built-in is knowing you have it in there, making it a hardware platform you can build on e.g Palm Video Player vs Video player for Palm. I actually think that is quite important, and a positive more. Together with real non-volatile memory this makes for a device that can be used to the full for media, in much the same way as an Ipod. Best of luck to Palm. Surur RE: Leading again!
You're referring to the Sharp Zaurus SL-C3000. Read a review [url=http://tinyurl.com/caack]here[/url] RE: Leading again!
Oops, sorry. That link should work, but if my attempt at formatting (didn't know you couldn't use it here!) messed it up, here's the link again: RE: Leading again!
I just Googled. Odd, no pictures of a disassembled Zaurus. The otaku are slacking... RE: Leading again!
Hah, just wait. Of course, you could volunteer to buy one and disassemble it. I almost got one over my T3 (after much more saving, of course) and kinda regret that decision now. Oh well. This'll do me for the next few years. If it survives. :) Zaurus pics
Mike, you need to work on those google skills. Note that this is the effort T-x users will have to go to to replace or upgrade their hard drive, while PPC users can simply pull it out of their CF slot. http://www.ayati.com/kobako/c3bara.htm Surur RE: Leading again!Timothy Rapson @ 4/16/2005 8:43:50 AM #
Ah, Surur, you are the GoogleMaster of images. Great work. But, you have reminded me how badly I want one of those Zaurii. Oh, the pleasureful pain of handheld addiction. RE: Leading again!
"Finally, PalmOne is innovating again and brining PDA with embedded HD and non-volatile memory to the masses!" I'm sorry, how is it "innovating" if they do the same thing that Linux PDAs have been doing for a year now? RE: Leading again!
Slapping myself upside the head. Too early for me to post. I saw the link 2nd time around. DUH!
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We're ready.
(I can't believe how it is looking more and more like PalmOne isn't going to screw this up!)