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    Rumor: LifeDrive Actually Named the Tungsten XPosted By: PIC on Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:21:11 PM
Brighthand has published new details about the rumored palmOne "LifeDrive". According to their source high end model will actually be named the Tungsten X and will be announced around mid-May.
Our previous info states the LifeDrive will feature both WiFi and Bluetooth wireless and a 4 Gigabyte internal hard drive. It will run Palm OS Garnet on a 416 MHz Intel XScale processor, with a 480x320 display. It will not have a removable battery and is said to be as thick as two Tungsten T5's. It will have a $499 retail price.
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 RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
Maybe P1 is actually reading the forums at brighthand, 1src, and PIC and finding out what will get people to buy a really expensive/cool handheld. This is shaping up to be an interesting May. The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
Now that i look at the picture more, i can see an "X" at the very top of the PDA. It is very faint but somewhat noticeable. The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
This just keeps getting better and better. Can not wait! One month to go? (I've been PDA-less for a full month now!) RE: LAY IT ON US - We're readylifeaddict @ 4/15/2005 12:46:18 PM #
I started with the very first Palm and upgraded several times until I got a Palm V (yes I actually still have a Palm V). I should have upgraded several years ago but I passed on the T3, holding out for the T5, when it was apparent it was a dud I looked at PPC's but just couldn't do it. I ordered a Tapwave 2 weeks ago, heard about the T-X the next day and returned the Tapwave unopened. My Palm V died this morning, so the T-X better be a reality and it better be solid because if it isn't I will no longer have a choice but to go PPC. RE: LAY IT ON US - We're readylifeaddict @ 4/15/2005 3:54:35 PM #
I think Tapwave is terrific. They seem to have a focus on product quality that Palm has lacked in recent offerings. I wish they would come out with a power user Palm device -- but maybe, just maybe with the T-X Palm will once again provide a quality product, with a solid warranty and good customer support (I would even settle for the first and the last - but I am not holding my breath) You are right, if the T-X is another dud Tapwave would be an acceptable alternative -- but I would like to know that I am not buying a dead-end product (last I heard they have no plans to release a product within the next year, and their current offering is 2 years old, so that begs the question -- will they be around another year?). Further, if the T-X is a dud and with the imminent release of the next version of the Windows Mobile OS, my expectation is that Palm will lose sufficient ground and momentum to PPC devices that rather than maintain or increase market share among business users they will begin a steady decline. Tapwave's response
Why dont they release this? There's enough space in there for a 40 gig hard drive. Add a jog dial and the right kind of buttons, and the right OS, and they will have it made. Surur RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
I would think the reason is that last I checked, Microsoft does not allow anything approaching the level of OS customization that PalmSource does. RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
Clearly not true. This is a win Ce device. Check out http://www.windowsfordevices.com/ for a wide variety of form factors. Surur RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
>>Clearly not true. This is a win Ce device. Ahhh - but then you have a device that won't run Pocket PC apps - it will run apps written for their flavor (Gizmondo flavor in this case) of ce. Win CE can be thought of as a set of OS components that manufacturers can build into an OS specific to their device using Microsofts Platform Builder (an expensive package designed for manufacturers to use for this purpose). The Gizmondo is not Pocket PC or Smartphone - it will run Win CE apps written for its specific version of Win CE ONLY. So the point is: WTF would P1 or Tapwave (or who ever) build a PDA that customizes Win CE for their device when there would be no software for it?? Pocket PC and Smartphone are defined subsets of CE with specific standards that OEMs must follow - they are very limited in any customization that they can do. MS has begun to make this standard more flexible (square screen, vga screen) and they might allow greater customization in the future - especially if they thought it would win over companies (including p1) from the competion (palm OS). But currently they do not allow that. RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
rsc1000, you misrepresent how much work Tapwave has done. They have just made a custom launcher, of which there are plenty in the pocketpc world, some even installed by default by the OEM, such as Dashboard or the My XDA screen on some pocketpcphones. The hp rx3715 has a similar dedicated today screen that addresses its supposed media player role. There is noting on the Zodiac which could not be replicated easily on a windows Mobile device. Surur RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
"Maybe P1 is actually reading the forums at brighthand, 1src, and PIC and finding out what will get people to buy a really expensive/cool handheld. This is shaping up to be an interesting May." Has Palm given me a reason to actually start development for Palm OS devices again? RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
>>>There is noting on the Zodiac which could not be replicated easily on a windows Mobile device. What an idiotic statement. How does it feel to be the whore of a billionaire pimp? RE: LAY IT ON US - We're ready
"How does it feel to be the whore of a billionaire pimp?"
Atleast he's getting some. ;-) 
RE: X = 10?
Let's hope this is a real ten, and not something that comes SOOO close but has a stupid oversight. I looks like they might pull a good one off this time, good enough to retire my T3... RE: X = 10?
X= X-Tra Thick And full of goodies to nake the young wingnuts smile. Q: Is that a Tungsten X in your pocket? A: No. Zodiac2/T616/WiFi'd RE: X = 10?He||Raiser @ 4/14/2005 7:48:18 PM #
I hope it's good enough to retire my T3; the damn thing is falling apart already. RE: X = 10?I.M Anonymous @ 4/15/2005 3:13:28 PM #
TX, becase everything's bigger is TX. Don't mess with TX. RE: X = 10?
All wrong: we all already know a T-X. It really kicks ass and is a true beauty... Find it here: http://tinyurl.com/b2b7y "Hasta la vista, Pocket PC..." ;-) RE: X = 10?ackmondual @ 4/16/2005 1:06:09 PM #
X = eXceptional, eXcellent, and the 'cross' between wifi + BT on a single device RE: X = 10?
Actually, for most people in computer world X means uniX. Just as in Mac (though Steve Jobs doesn't want to admit it, calling MacOSX "Mac OS Ten"), the most crucial part of PalmSource's future is delivering a PDA OS ontop of a unix kernel. Of course in the end, "T-X" will run PalmOS 5.x and, given its monstrous size, it will disappoint. RE: X = 10?
Really? New one on me. Most of the geeks I'm aware of would think of the X Window System. Which admittedly is used primarily on Unix boxen, but, still. And on an entirely separate note, this comment posting system desperately needs a "Preview" button, like, yesterday. There's otherwise no way to double-check one's work. Monster Palm™The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/18/2005 2:32:50 PM #
Of course in the end, "T-X" will run PalmOS 5.x and, given its monstrous size, it will disappoint. You won't be disappointed if you keep it in your front pocket. ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: X = 10?
i think X will be a series, if they hat sucess.. :)
P.S.:Hello to all people here in PIC,
 Wait a second...
Palm OS Garnet? The old OS 5? Why do they suck? UZI4U182@suscom.net Main PDA: NX70v + WL100 http://clieflash.shorturl.com RE: Wait a second...AdamaDBrown @ 4/15/2005 3:47:09 AM #
Because, according to what we've heard from the licensees, OS 6 sucks even worse than staying with a hacked and reheated OS 5. RE: Wait a second...voice of chaos @ 4/15/2005 8:21:31 AM #
Maybe it's Garnet because (a) they've put a lot of effort into customizing Garnet for their needs (b) it's even more expensive to support a new OS, especially one that has not been released before (c) both. No matter how good Cobalt is as an OS it is very hard to convince anyone to adopt it unless the reason is compelling; it remains to be seen if Cobalt ever gets any traction, especially with Palm OS for Linux coming down the pike... RE: Wait a second...
>>OS 6 sucks even worse than staying with a hacked and reheated OS 5. People keep saying this - show me the proof that OS 6 'sucks'. Anybody can try out OS 6 for themselves: sign up as a developer at palmsource and download the simulator. The problem with OS 6 is : All of this was know to OEMs from day 1 (before the 1st version of Cobolt was released). P1 has not released a Cobolt device because with their only Palm OS competeion (Sony) out of the picture their is not nearly as much incentive to more pay $$$ on higher lisense fees, driver re-writes, and re-doing custom code. simple. What remains to be seen is whether P1 sees PPC competition as reason to go to Cobolt. Cobolt gives multitasking and (this is the important part IMO) native APIs that make it easier (no PNOlet work around pain for devs) to just write native code. The really nice openGL-like 2D graphics API and the built-in media framework are also great reasons to go with Cobolt. But these may not be enough. The talked about new interface and openGL have yet to materialize - maybe p1 is waiting for these features before bother to go to Cobolt? Afterall even though it is known what Cobolt is and what it does, the public (including posters here at PIC) seem to have a fuzzy idea of this new OS and are proably expecting a more visible cxhange (there isnt on really - it mostly looks just like OS 5). Knowing this - P1 might be waiting for the talked about palmsource new GUI concept so that users notice the jump to the new OS. RE: Wait a second...lifeaddict @ 4/16/2005 2:34:15 PM #
At last, some thoughtful analysis, as opposed to pure conjecture, speculation, and opinions posing as stated fact. I understand Palm's desire to pair a new body to a new engine to ensure greater media coverage and market hype. However, what I don't understand is the apparent lack of a sense of urgency to provide an operating system that not only takes back market leadership from Microsoft and PPC devices but one that will stem the erosion amongst business users. CobAlt is DOA. Get it trhrough your thick skulls.The_Voice_of_Reason @ 4/16/2005 3:04:17 PM #
CobAlt (Co[ntrol]B[e]Alt[Delete] was a brave gamble for PalmSource, but in the end, they couldn't pull it off. The CMS codemonkeys won't be able to hack CobAlt into PalmLinux in time for anyone to care. WinCE seems destined to win this battle simply by PalmSource forfeit. It shouldn't have been this way. Morale at PalmSource has reached an all time low and the rats are starting to flee the sinking ship. The DevCom is starting to look like more of a wake these days. If Mike Cane will pay for a limo to take me down to the PalmSource conference, I'll make sure to verbally abuse "Nero" Nagel until he puts down his fiddle and leaves the building. Make sure to send my bail money too, Cane. TVoR (the antiMichaelMace) ------------------------ ------------------------ Say hello to my little friend... RE: Wait a second...lifeaddict @ 4/16/2005 3:58:15 PM #
You are right, it shouldn't have been this way.
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(I can't believe how it is looking more and more like PalmOne isn't going to screw this up!)